Buddy
The Living Force
.RflctnOfU said:Anthony said:To complicate things even more, G. said that behind personality lies essence, behind essence lies real I, behind real I lies God.
Would you cite a source for this quote please??
Thanks
Kris
Anthony said:Yes. Maurice Nicoll Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky Volume 4.
Also here in more detail: http://gurdjieffbooks.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/56/
Interesting. I was into Nicoll's commentaries for awhile. Even had the book that was just an index.
I started wondering why the Commentaries are rarely cited in any work of a practical nature. I also noticed that, while the content was mostly Gudjieff, the form was mostly pep-talky and inspirational. I started thinking that Nicoll was combining works of Carl Jung, Gurdjieff and Christian teachings to bring forth his own vision of an institutional religion. In a strange way it seems easy to "take on" or identify with Nicoll's personality as it relates to G's work and yet still walk away with little experiential help. Why is that, I wondered?
Down here at the level of the individual, I think that's maybe related to how personality rarely cites essence for support in what personality thinks and "knows" - fruit-bearing experience being the connecting link of support, I suppose. I think that's kinda funny and tends to point to the gap where personality and essence may disconnect.
Gurdjieff says that essence stops growing in most people around age 6 or 7. No wonder. That's about the time when many children started school and after at least a year of being enculterated, acclimated, socialized and robotized by parents and others in preparation for this public education. Also, by this time in a child's life, many adults have fulfilled their apparent need to stop their children from asking "why?", "what does that mean?", and "how or why does that matter?, or at least labeled these fundamental questions as inappropriate, succeeding in delaying them indefinitely.
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Perceval said:Excellent story Dug and a very interesting observation, and very true I think.dugdeep said:{snipped some good stuff Perceval quoted}
I agree. Thanks for that, dugdeep.