Quenelle

Hello,

I’d like to discuss the quenelle phenomenon in France and the anti-quenelle hysteria among the French “elites” (ie homeland minister Manuel Valls and consorts). The council of state has gathered on 9/1 to ban Dieudonné’s show, who has created the quenelle. It is an unprecedented (il)legal decision. As Dieudonné has declared 2014 year of the quenelle, maybe they wanted to prevent him from “officially” launching it.

The humorist Dieudonné, who sells more tickets than any other person/show in France, attacks the establishment and zionism in his shows. He makes fun of all the communities, including the Zionist lobby in power, so he’s presented by the media as an anti-Semitic guy.

I’ve attended his shows twice and much enjoyed them. I’m still laughing when I think about it and have bought a quenelle tshirt. I’m planning to go again, at least he’s in jail where, he says, he’ll receive a warm welcome because he has many fans there.

I’m trying to understand if there is a plan or dynamic behind all of it, this war against a humorist, and if it’s the case, then what is it ? There are some articles about it :

_http://www.sott.net/article/271390-Dieudonne-M-bala-M-bala-and-the-Quenellization-of-France
_http://www.sott.net/article/271383-The-Move-to-Muzzle-Dieudonne-M-Bala-M-Bala

I’ve read the comments to grasp information. Is there a grand plan behind it ? (excerpts from the comments of this articles):

Laura

Article sez: "France has adopted laws to "punish anti-Semitism". The result is the opposite. Such measures simply tend to confirm the old notion that "the Jews run the country" and contribute to growing anti-Semitism. When French youth see a Franco-Israeli attempt to outlaw a simple gesture, when the Jewish community moves to ban their favorite humorist, anti-Semitism can only grow even more rapidly."
Maybe that is what is wanted by all the governments of the world that pass laws to favor Zionism? Surely they have access to psychological studies that demonstrate that what they are doing is designed to produce the exact opposite effect of what they say they want. Maybe they WANT their citizens to become angry at ordinary Jews? Maybe they WANT to generate and accelerate anti-Semitism?
I dunno, the whole thing just looks like a tar-baby trap to me.
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Joe

I tend to think that they don't have any grand plan, that they are just reacting, as psychopaths do, in the moment and, because they tend to engaged in wishful thinking to a serious extreme, believe that they can just ban and that'll be that, no repercussions. Not being able to understand what a fact is, and therefore being severely limited in their ability to predict the rather obvious and natural results of their actions, is a bit of a problem for everyone, to say the least.
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Lugh

Following the matter closely, I thought about that possibility, which is discussed in 911 the Ultimate Truth- ie, antisemitism revived through the actions of the Jews themselves - well, not the Jews, but certain Jews (and non Jews) within the Zionist elite.

Yet, if there is indeed such a plan, it is so obvious and blatant that I don't think people would be duped. A lot of Dieudonné's fans read/watch Alain Soral's analyses, where he clearly makes a distinction between 'common' Jews (the people) and Zionist elites, and above all, promotes national reconciliation, the unification of all the French people whatever their religion/political views/ethnic or social background against that very elite/the Powers that Be.

It's interesting to note that there's never been any attack against Jews from Dieudo's or Soral's public. On the other hand, for 10 years, there has been numerous attacks (physical assaults) against Dieudonné, Soral, and others among their public, by the French Jewish defense league and other ultra Zionist Jews. The hatred is spreading, but not among the "goyim"…

I think the elites are scared of Dieudonné because peacefully, with humor as his only weapon, he points out the insanity and corruption of the elites, makes the people laugh at them, and is rallying around him a lot of people from all horizons.

"Pathocratic leadership believes that it can achieve a state wherein those 'other' people’s minds become dependent by means of the effects of their personality, perfidious pedagogical means, the means of mass-disinformation, and psychological terror; such faith has a basic meaning for them. In their conceptual world, pathocrats consider it virtually self-evident that the 'others' should accept their obvious, realistic, and simple way of apprehending reality.

For some mysterious reason, though, the 'others' wriggle out, slither away, and tell each other jokes about pathocrats. Someone must be responsible for this: prerevolutionary oldsters, or some radio stations abroad. It thus becomes necessary to improve the methodology of action, find better 'soul engineers' with a certain literary talent, and isolate society from improper literature and any foreign influence.
Those experiences and intuitions whispering that this is a Sisyphean labor must be repressed from the field of consciousness of the pathocrat."

~ Political Ponerology, pp.231-232"

I personally agree with Joe’s analysis because it appears to me that the Zionist top management of France (I could write several names) just cannot stand criticism. There is no grand plan, just a damage control reaction to hide the truth in Dieudonné’s words (France being controlled by Zionists, be they jews or not. Banks and usury subjugating the world, and which community’s specialty is that ?). Another reason why I think that there is no grand plan is that in parallel, the social control forces are willfully demoralized and allocated too short budgets to work efficiently (and also, many soldiers are not paid because of a so-called flawed pay software). The French army, police, firemen are among the first sacrificed to pay for the current crisis, thus loosing fealty to our government. If I were in position of power and wanted to implement a police state, I would give the social control forces much money to ensure their fealty. The opposite is happening. Dieudonné even says that a general officer of the French army has joined the quenelle movement.

I also agree with Laura saying that it will have anti-Semitism to rise. The Zionist leaders are aware of it and do not care at all about the honest jews of France, just like the Netanyahu-Lieberman government would have attacked Iran if the US had backed up, thus exposing the Israeli people to great suffering. The belligerent plan would have been carried out on the blood of the Israeli people and they don’t care about it.

The very background of his success is that Dieudonné appears as a genuine resistant. His quenelle is basically an anti-system gesture, a big f… towards it. Because of the financial crisis, that now affects the real economy, there is a heavier and heavier fiscal pressure on the French people (particularly on the higher layers of the middle-class). Fiscal pressure is also a psychological pressure.

This pressure is gradually increasing. More than 80 new taxes have been created since the election of Sarkozy in 2008. Just for fun, let’s mention the “funniest” ones : tax on retrieved rain water, tax on the flood prone areas, tax on the river that passes in your field. What will the next one be ? A tax on the clouds ? The better tax must be in England, on the nice view from your window (had a lot of fun reading it _http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202173/Secret-Labour-tax-having-patio--Millions-homes-assessed-council-charge-hammers-middle-classes.html). All of it to recapitalize zombie banks and to save the Euro, while the Euro was supposed to save us.

There will be no economic recovery. We are currently witnessing a capitalistic paradigm change. We are moving from virtuous capitalism that creates real wealth, to financial capitalism that destroys it. I used to think that financial capitalism and currencies are based on nothing ; that finance is the reign of mathematical abstractions… well, based on nothing. In fact, it is the opposite. Finance is based on everything, but subtly. In the developed countries, I do not see any goods or services not linked with it. The global goods and services trading amount is less than 100 billion dollars per day, and the financial operations amount is between 5000 and 8000 billion dollars per day. Let’s cancel the real world !

This is an aspect of the system. The quenelle of Dieudonné is a symbol of opposition to it.

To conclude, what may the year of the quenelle look like ? 3 things come to my mind:

-There will be no successful revolution because, so that a revolution succeeds, 2 components are needed : 1 from the top and 1 from the bottom. If there is only one, it has to be the one from the top, which regularly happens if Africa with putsches engineered from the outside. No risk of it in France at least the president turns anticapitalistic, which would require much guts because the one who seriously challenges the Grand Capital faces assassination (Khadafi, JFK...).

-A probable quenelle would be a massive vote for the Front National, the “extreme right” French political party that promotes leaving the European Union and the Euro, at the European elections of May 2014.

-It will indeed be a quenelle year, but not for the system, for all of us. For instance, our accounts could be robbed in a Greek/Cyprus like fashion.

Do you see another possibility ? Is there something resembling the quenelle in another country ?

Thanks for reading.

PS : Has someone a keto quenelle recipe to propose ? :P
 
Laura comments: "Maybe that is what is wanted by all the governments of the world that pass laws to favor Zionism? Surely they have access to psychological studies that demonstrate that what they are doing is designed to produce the exact opposite effect of what they say they want. "

I would say yes, and we can read from "PSYCHOPATHOLOGY OF JUDAISDM" by Hervé RYSSEN:

"The fact is that the Jews feed on and grow off the hatred they have engendered among all the peoples of this world. This hatred, it must be said, is vital for their survival and for their spiritual genetics. It has allowed them for many centuries now to close ranks within their community against an external enemy, while other civilizations have disappeared."
 
Hi ROEL, I don't understand the relation between the quote you cite and the subject of the thread. We are talking about Zionism and Zionists, not about Jews. As you can see, Jews are victims of Zionisms because what the French government is trying to do is to redirect a popular anger towards the ruling elite towards the French Jews, who are as victims of the system as all the other other components of the French society. CRIF is not Jews, LDJ is not Jews. If you fall for the amalgamation, you have falling for the trap put there for you by the elite.
 
And above all, the quenelle is not at all an antisemitism gesture, like the PTB would want you to think, it's an antisystem gesture. A huge difference. So all this is certainly a demonization of the dissidence, plus a diversion, plus guess what else.

All of it becomes so ridiculous that I can help to think of disintegration. Maybe we are really approching the times of revelation :shock:
 
mkrnhr said:
Hi ROEL, I don't understand the relation between the quote you cite and the subject of the thread. We are talking about Zionism and Zionists, not about Jews. As you can see, Jews are victims of Zionisms because what the French government is trying to do is to redirect a popular anger towards the ruling elite towards the French Jews, who are as victims of the system as all the other other components of the French society. CRIF is not Jews, LDJ is not Jews. If you fall for the amalgamation, you have falling for the trap put there for you by the elite.

I don't think that, if there's indeed a "plan" to increase (or rather, create) antisemitism in France, it'll work. People are starting to see the man behind the curtain - and know where they should direct their anger at. Judging by the videos where people, prompted by Dieudonné, sing the Marseillaise, make their points peacefully, and don't respond to provocation, this alleged "plan" won't succeed, IMO.
Hear that young guy say: "We don't hate Jews. These are lies. If Jews want to come and talk to us, we'll welcome them with open arms". And: "We're no Nazis. We're against Nazis."
Link: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ALTZfbkejpc

I don't think antisemitism is on the rise at all, but people are starting to see and feel the Zionist control over France, that's for sure. And this Zionist control has nothing to do with Jews. Zionism is not Jewishness.
 
Adaryn said:
I don't think that, if there's indeed a "plan" to increase (or rather, create) antisemitism in France, it'll work. People are starting to see the man behind the curtain - and know where they should direct their anger at. Judging by the videos where people, prompted by Dieudonné, sing the Marseillaise, make their points peacefully, and don't respond to provocation, this alleged "plan" won't succeed, IMO.

Agree. By reacting the way they have, the french interior has only served to promote the gesture and just increased Dieudonné's popularity. It really is backfiring on them.

I don't think antisemitism is on the rise at all, but people are starting to see and feel the Zionist control over France, that's for sure. And this Zionist control has nothing to do with Jews. Zionism is not Jewishness.

Absolutely and its a very important distinction to make.
 
I do understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism. The main (most lethal) Zionists are from Jewish extraction, and as such they use their own "bretheren" as one (maybe the main) of the shields against their real or perceived enemies, so I think the RYSSEN quote still stands.
Douglas Reed has explained the same phenomenon in his The Controversy of Zion, about the everyday Jew being used by their own (Zionist) kin through the ages.
I personally wish ardently that France liberates itself from this grip, though I do not harbor very high hopes. Pray I'm wrong.

Also, this exchange of points of view and the interpretation of what we and others say (write) underlines once more that it is very difficult to convey one's thoughts, and that our perception is tainted by our psychological structure, as built from the cradle to the present. I plead guilty of lack of clarity.
 
As an editorialist (L'Avenir) was recently saying: You don't fight a clown, however evil or irreverent, with arms, CRS and police batons.

This is so out of proportions, it is utterly ridiculous. The good news is that the one looking stupid is Valls, not Dieudonné.

Anybody having followed Dieudonné knows that the 'quenelle' and the gesture that comes with it has nothing to do with a Nazi salute or antisemitism.
It is in fact un bras d'honneur, a giant middle finger (to authorities, etc.). It is a sign of disobedience, insubordination. Some will find it rude but it certainly is not deserving the attention it is getting nowadays.

The trouble is, Dieudonné is raising valid points and for people in power, he needs to be silenced. Of course, the whole thing just attracts more and more people for Dieudonné, which is very good. It needs to be said that a number of Jews have showed him their support. They are not 'self-hating' Jews, as could be read in the media, they are simply Jews who are against Zionism. Because that's two different things.
 
It's wonderful to see the French people are opening their eyes en masse.
Too bad the same thing can't be said for North Americans.
At least the majority of NAs.
 
Mrs. Tigersoap said:
As an editorialist (L'Avenir) was recently saying: You don't fight a clown, however evil or irreverent, with arms, CRS and police batons.

This is so out of proportions, it is utterly ridiculous. The good news is that the one looking stupid is Valls, not Dieudonné.

Anybody having followed Dieudonné knows that the 'quenelle' and the gesture that comes with it has nothing to do with a Nazi salute or antisemitism.
It is in fact un bras d'honneur, a giant middle finger (to authorities, etc.). It is a sign of disobedience, insubordination. Some will find it rude but it certainly is not deserving the attention it is getting nowadays.

The trouble is, Dieudonné is raising valid points and for people in power, he needs to be silenced. Of course, the whole thing just attracts more and more people for Dieudonné, which is very good. It needs to be said that a number of Jews have showed him their support. They are not 'self-hating' Jews, as could be read in the media, they are simply Jews who are against Zionism. Because that's two different things.
Yup, what the French government does is disproportionate, but maybe they are pressured by the Zionists that pulling the strings throughout the West. I really think that political humor is a lethal weapon against the system (eg in Argentina, the elite take away from television the few political humorists since many years ago, and just let the stupid and complacent humor with the system). Imagine if you could ridicule and show what really the psychopaths in power are, how dead they are inside (especially, if the humanity not projects on them any more, stop feeding them). If all the people could see that they are nothing, that not be fate in follow them, and how criminal become all institutions ruling by them, well, would be very positive shows! :)
Ridicule is a weapon that psychopaths have taken to themselves to destroy anyone who does not fit in they sick view of the world. And did this in all fields, like religion, science, art, etc. So I think it would be good to recover the ridicule, over these psychopaths and pathological. That they be reflected in the magnifying mirror of humor and ridicule, would do great damage to them. Perhaps as part of applying knowledge and awareness to others.
May something like this is what Dieudonné is doing (I'd love to see some show. There are some videos on internet to see, but possibly i will understand very little of what he says).
 
I know this may sound a bit far fetched but I wonder if the love affair between French President Hollande and Julie Gayet isn't at least in part done to distract people and draw their attention away from the whole Dieudonne debate. Even if it's not the case, it seems to be having that effect.
 
Eboard10 said:
I know this may sound a bit far fetched but I wonder if the love affair between French President Hollande and Julie Gayet isn't at least in part done to distract people and draw their attention away from the whole Dieudonne debate. Even if it's not the case, it seems to be having that effect.

Perhaps indeed ! Gossips versus revolution :)

I cannot help to wonder if the whole love affair isn't made up from the ground up to boost Hollande's presence in the medias. Perhaps it was time for Hollande to show his french lover's side because I am not sure he's doing that great in the polls...I guess it depends on how things will go from there and to what purpose.
 
Eboard10 said:
I know this may sound a bit far fetched but I wonder if the love affair between French President Hollande and Julie Gayet isn't at least in part done to distract people and draw their attention away from the whole Dieudonne debate. Even if it's not the case, it seems to be having that effect.
Indeed, the timing is too perfect.

Also, on a more symbolic tone, I can't help but notice that Ariel Sharon died the same day than the Conseil d'Etat decided to ban Dieudonné's shows.
 
Tomek said:
Eboard10 said:
I know this may sound a bit far fetched but I wonder if the love affair between French President Hollande and Julie Gayet isn't at least in part done to distract people and draw their attention away from the whole Dieudonne debate. Even if it's not the case, it seems to be having that effect.
Indeed, the timing is too perfect.

Also, on a more symbolic tone, I can't help but notice that Ariel Sharon died the same day than the Conseil d'Etat decided to ban Dieudonné's shows.

Yes, seems like the Cosmic Mind is sending us a message.
 
There is a big red flag about Dieudonné, which is that he is acquainted with the extreme right.
From my understanding, there are agendas from the PTB where Dieudonné could just be a puppet.
He and others, like Soral the (in)famous dissident writer, who was politically engaged with the extreme right, are somehow becoming leaders of the French system's protestation movement.
They say a lot of truth, are very talented, but for what agenda ? One they might not even know of ?..
All is very confusing, it seems pretty much instrumented. For what purpose ? Some people somewhere must know about it...
 
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