Questions about Illuminati, 4D STS

[candasiri]

Hi forum, I’ve had these questions on my mind for a couple of months. They are questions about 3D and 4D STS. I would appreciate any refinements and add-ons. When I was first contemplating these questions I had a very vivid dream of sticking rods into an alien 4D head that looked like a Nazi. Then that day I lost my purse and had a total mental block about where it was. My in-laws found it at the end of the day. Anyway, it was weird.

The Cs have said that there is a group above Mossad who are the true elites on the planet, is that group what we would refer to as the Illuminati/Rosicrucians:

21 Dec 1996

Q: (L) Is there an inner circle of this order that is unknown?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the Rosicrucians connected to the Masons?

A: In a roundabout away.

Q: (L) Are the Illuminati connected to the Rosicrucians in any way?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Of the three I have named, which would be considered the one that is closest to the inner circle?

A: Not the correct concept.

Q: (L) Do the Rosicrucians have writings in their keeping that they, themselves, do not understand?

A: Yes. So do the Masons.

What do the Illuminati they look like? How long is their lifespan? Are they bi-density like the Aryan undergrounders?

23 Oct 1996

Q: (L) Now, wait a minute. I remember that when they said the Aryans were brought from Kantek, and that they were "sturdier," or something like that, and I remarked that it seemed that they would be less sturdy - and the C's answered "on the surface." Now, that has always bothered me. I don't think they meant "surface appearances." Have the Aryans been glorified as the "master race" because they are more suited to living underground?

A: Close. All types there are "Aryan."

Q: (L) Okay, is this a Terran underground civilization that has been 'managed' by Orions, or did it develop on its own?

A: One at a time.

Q: (L) Did the underground civilization develop on its own?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it managed or manipulated by Orions as well?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are these "managers" Orions from other densities?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) I don't understand. Are there some that are 4th and some that are 3rd?

A: The human types there are "bi-density."

Q: (L) Holy Shiite Moslems!

A: Grays and Lizards are 4th density. They can "visit" 3rd density, but they must keep returning to 4th in order to "regenerate."

Q: (T) Are you saying that the human/Aryan types can exist as long as they want in any density?

A: In 4th and 3rd.

Q: (L) They can move back and forth, existing with equal ease on either density?

A: Well, not with "equal ease," because 4th density is easier, naturally.

Q: (T) So, the information Courtney Brown was given to write this quasi fiction book, is about the Aryans and not about the Martians?

A: "Martians" is easier to understand for the less well- informed, not to mention any discussion of the densities!

Q: (T) Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities! (L) Okay, Third Eye. What is this?

A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.

Q: (L) Does this "Third Eye" designation have a connotation of third eye abilities as we understand them?

A: Psychic.

17 Aug 2024

Q: (L) Okay. So the Illuminati do not live in the underground cities. Well, you've already described underground cities for us in the past, so... (They are for 4D STS activities.) Where do the Illuminati live?

A: All over the planet. But there are a very limited number of them.

Q: (Andromeda) Like how many? [laughter]

(L) Yeah, like how many?

(Andromeda) Rough estimate?

A: Less than 3300.

[3300 being a signature?]

Q: (L) Why are there so few of them?

A: They keep their genes strictly to themselves. As a result, inbreeding has led to a decline in their numbers.

What is so special about the genetics of the Illuminati that they do not want to share them?

How did they get these genetics? Was it a result of interbreeding with the Nephilim or another breeding experiment?

Do the Illuminati have souls?

What is the relationship with Mossad/Jews to the Illuminati?

What is their relationship to undergrounders?

17 Aug 2003

A: Mossad is near the apex of the 3D consortium. The lines blur at that level.

Q: (Perceval) What's the relationship between the Mossad and the Rothschilds?

A: Mossad is a "brainchild."

{Laughter at the joke - "Rothschild" "Brainchild" - Discussion mainly Perceval) wondering whether the Rothschilds are part of the apex or if they are just useful idiots that are going to be double-crossed also. C's break in as Laura is not understanding Perceval's question.}

A: The lines blur. Rothchilds are similar in a smaller way to Sargon. Deep level punctuator.

Q: (L) What is a deep level punctuator?

A: One who emerges from seeming obscurity to "make a mark" on history. Don't you wonder where they come from. Think "deep."

Q: As in underground bases?

A: Well, what a concept!

Q: (L) Is this where Helen came from?

A: Yes

Is pedophilia encoded genetically? If so, where did the genes for pedophilia come from? I ask because it’s what the Illuminati practice per the Cs and is also prevalent in the general human population. It is having been longtime source of suffering that is repeated between generations and therefore a likely source of food for 4D STS.

What is the purpose of the Illuminati? I ask because on 29 July 2023, the purpose of the undergrounders was broached and I found the answer interesting.

L) Germans. They ask weird stuff like that. How many humans/humanoids from the underground? So, how many?

A: Varies with circumstances, but average is about 2 to 2.5 million.

Q: (Andromeda) Walking around up top.

(Joe) And do these people know who they are? I mean...

A: Of course!

Q: (Joe) Okay. And do they have a mission that they're aware of? Do they know why they're walking around?

A: Indeed. Usually acting as "handlers" or agents provocateur.

Q: (Joe) So from our perspective, their mission, it would be nefarious?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Are there any of them running that show over there in Ukraine?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Are there any of them handling members of the US government?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Handling high-level members of other governments?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Handling leaders of different types of, like, media or whatever, like influencers and such?

A: Yes yes yes

Q: (Joe) Are any of them on YouTube?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) With large-follower channels?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Give us one name. [laughter]

A: No

Q: (Joe) Please. [laughter] Is part of their mission or agenda to prepare the global population for revelation of aliens?

A: Partly, but also involved with depopulation agenda.

Q: (Joe) So these people were born underground?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) And raised underground?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And then appeared as adults on the surface, got a job...

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And who made them?

A: Lizards in cahoots with STS Orions.

Q: (Joe) So these are human beings. They're functionally the same, as human as other human beings? Like biologically the same as other human beings, or not?

A: Some genetic tweaks. Most were harvested from human mothers and incubated.

Q: (Gaby) So this is part of the hybridization program that some experiencers or abductees recall?

A: Yes

Q: (Possibility of Being) Do they know good and evil the same way as we would understand it?

A: No

Q: (Joe) Are they - from our perspective - very much like mind-controlled beings in that sense? They don't have much free will?

A: Yes. And much like very efficient psychopaths.

Q: (L) Well.

(Joe) 2.5 million. They pop up and down.

(L) That's friendly.

(Joe) Where do they live normally when they're not on the surface? Where did they grow up and stuff?

A: Underground bases.

Q: (L) And they've described those.

Are there other ways that 4D STS impairs or tries to destroy souled humans on a personal level? So far, the Cs have discussed energy-sapping relationships, inserting non-souled humans into a souled human’s path, suicidal thoughts, and alien abductions. Is there anything else?

 

[Mrs. Peel]

They are questions about 3D and 4D STS. I would appreciate any refinements and add-ons.

Have you searched the Forum? There are several threads on the Illumaniti. Like this one:

Thread 'The Illuminati - what is real?'

Aug 23, 2024

After the latest session which referenced the Illuminati, I began to think about it and wonder what do we REALLY know?

You can look the term up on Wikipedia for general background where you learn:

The Illuminati (/əˌluːmɪˈnɑːti/; plural of Latin illuminatus, 'enlightened') is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically, the name usually refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on 1 May 1776 in Bavaria, today part of Germany. The society's stated goals were to oppose superstition, obscurantism, religious influence...

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[candasiri]

Have you searched the Forum? There are several threads on the Illumaniti. Like this one:

I have read through that thread and was one of the sources of the questions I have.

 

[candasiri]

Are there other ways that 4D STS impairs or tries to destroy souled humans on a personal level? So far, the Cs have discussed energy-sapping relationships, inserting non-souled humans into a souled human’s path, suicidal thoughts, and alien abductions. Is there anything else?

I should mention the Cs have discussed familial and societal psychological programing as major impediments as well as viruses, pathogens introduced into bloodlines before major leaps in development.

 

[axj]

What do the Illuminati they look like? How long is their lifespan? Are they bi-density like the Aryan undergrounders?

The C's mentioned that the lines between 3D Illuminati and 4D STS are blurred at that level, with the ultimate control of the Illuminati group being at 4D STS.

Do the Illuminati have souls?

It would seem that only souled individuals can graduate, either on the STO or STS path. OP's still have to complete the 3D lessons, where soul individuation takes place.

I suppose that it is not unlikely that some psychopaths are at the top levels of the 3D Illuminati, even though as defective OP's they would not be able to graduate to 4D, from what I understand.

What is the relationship with Mossad/Jews to the Illuminati?

The C's said that the Mossad is close to the top of the 3D control system hierarchy, sort of like "upper middle management" maybe.

What is the purpose of the Illuminati?

This one seems pretty obvious: Help/obey 4D STS while probably hoping to further "rise in the ranks" themselves.

Are there other ways that 4D STS impairs or tries to destroy souled humans on a personal level?

Anything that sidetracks people, including using astral attachments and attacks. They seem to try to find the weak spots in each individual and can customize their attacks to that.

 

[Renaissance]

Are there other ways that 4D STS impairs or tries to destroy souled humans on a personal level? So far, the Cs have discussed energy-sapping relationships, inserting non-souled humans into a souled human’s path, suicidal thoughts, and alien abductions. Is there anything else?

This is a pretty broad topic, I think, as there are likely a plethora of methods used and what could be used on social levels would affect people on personal levels too. So, there could be a lot going into even direct personal attacks. By that, I mean an individual’s programming that can come from say larger scale social programs like diet, vaccines, family dynamics, trust in authority, etc. and can probably relate to vulnerabilities that may impact the more rare cases of direct attack too. I think it was a session this past year that talked about how attachments can be used too.

 

[Navigator]

Are there other ways that 4D STS impairs or tries to destroy souled humans on a personal level? So far, the Cs have discussed energy-sapping relationships, inserting non-souled humans into a souled human’s path, suicidal thoughts, and alien abductions. Is there anything else?

How about societal programming and what that entails?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

For the first question, I think the group you're referring to would be the consortium, according to the C's. The quorum is "mostly alien" and the consortium is "mostly human." I would guess that the consortium overlaps to some degree with all the major secret societies.

 

[Alejo]

This is a pretty broad topic, I think, as there are likely a plethora of methods used and what could be used on social levels would affect people on personal levels too. So, there could be a lot going into even direct personal attacks. By that, I mean an individual’s programming that can come from say larger scale social programs like diet, vaccines, family dynamics, trust in authority, etc. and can probably relate to vulnerabilities that may impact the more rare cases of direct attack too. I think it was a session this past year that talked about how attachments can be used too.

And then the C's also mentioned that 4D STS had no trouble giving people individual attention, so if needed they could so so much and it would all depend on the individual.

 

[Alejo]

Is pedophilia encoded genetically? If so, where did the genes for pedophilia come from? I ask because it’s what the Illuminati practice per the Cs and is also prevalent in the general human population. It is having been longtime source of suffering that is repeated between generations and therefore a likely source of food for 4D STS.

How do you mean encoded genetically? Like a gene turns it on or off on a given individual? the cruelty that they practice is not a genetic taste IMO, from what I've been able to learn about the criminal mind, their sexual satisfaction comes from torture and cruelty of those vulnerable. So I am not sure one could place it simply on genes, it's the nature of their beings that is entirely different to most normal human beings.

 

[candasiri]

This is a pretty broad topic, I think, as there are likely a plethora of methods used and what could be used on social levels would affect people on personal levels too. So, there could be a lot going into even direct personal attacks. By that, I mean an individual’s programming that can come from say larger scale social programs like diet, vaccines, family dynamics, trust in authority, etc. and can probably relate to vulnerabilities that may impact the more rare cases of direct attack too. I think it was a session this past year that talked about how attachments can be used too.

It is a broad topic and I think the Cs and the forum have answered much of how 4D STS inhibits and destroys people from awakening to 1. the nature of our reality and 2. personal growth through the work. The reason why I asked this question is I have been shocked by the answer the Cs gave many years ago that people discovering Laura's work may experience suicidal thoughts. It shocked me because I know that when I have experienced suicidal thoughts in the past, I've taken them so personally; meaning, I intrepreted those thoughts as coming from me. But, perhaps, it was 4D STS. I think that this is what so amazes and horrifies me about the control system. That 4D STS can invade thinking and it can be absolutely invisible so to speak. I also remember the Cs talking about how Don Elkins of the RA project was taken out--he commited suicide.

So, I was wondering if there are other thinking patterns that are ingrained in us that are courtesy of 4D STS. One that comes to mind is self-hatred/self-rejection. In one of the recent sessions, the Cs talked about the switch to agriculture also caused a feeling of lack of abundance and perhaps less egalitarianism. I'll find the transcript when I'm less hungry.

 

[irjO]

How do you mean encoded genetically? Like a gene turns it on or off on a given individual? the cruelty that they practice is not a genetic taste IMO, from what I've been able to learn about the criminal mind, their sexual satisfaction comes from torture and cruelty of those vulnerable. So I am not sure one could place it simply on genes, it's the nature of their beings that is entirely different to most normal human beings.

Unless we are talking about born psychopaths, which can be included in the formula genetically speaking. Not necessarily they have to be pedophiles, but sickness and cruelty tends to be a given with these beings.

 

[candasiri]

How do you mean encoded genetically? Like a gene turns it on or off on a given individual? the cruelty that they practice is not a genetic taste IMO, from what I've been able to learn about the criminal mind, their sexual satisfaction comes from torture and cruelty of those vulnerable. So I am not sure one could place it simply on genes, it's the nature of their beings that is entirely different to most normal human beings.

I actually think that it might be a genetic taste. From what my understanding what the Cs have said, psychopathy is a genetic trait and all the perverted sexuality that comes with it. I was just wondering if pedophilia has some specific genetic coding since it's practiced within the Illuminati, within the cirlces of the "elite" and in the general population for those who have that predilection.

 

[candasiri]

For the first question, I think the group you're referring to would be the consortium, according to the C's. The quorum is "mostly alien" and the consortium is "mostly human." I would guess that the consortium overlaps to some degree with all the major secret societies.

I do wonder is the Illuminati different from the Consortium? It seems since the Rosicrucians/Illuminati have been around as the survivors of the last fall of Atlantis since there's a lot of Egyptian stuff if you look up Rosicrucians on the web. Are the Illuminati from that time or earlier or later?

 

[irjO]

I do wonder is the Illuminati different from the Consortium? It seems since the Rosicrucians/Illuminati have been around as the survivors of the last fall of Atlantis since there's a lot of Egyptian stuff if you look up Rosicrucians on the web. Are the Illuminati from that time or earlier or later?

Those questions are answered in the older sessions, specially the ones between 1994-1998, you can use this page to search for keywords in the transcripts:

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