Quinton Plasma/Water, or "percutaneous hydrotomy"

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Fascinating, its just so unreal how much is hidden away from past times, from past practitioners. In this case there is language, location, on top of the usual suppression by pharma (even back then). So, thanks so much for what has been put together here, and Laura, wow, simply amazing sounding results you are getting for your back, and chronic back pain can be like no other. I've an old spondylolisthesis issue (L5/S1), and when it acts up (from twisting the wrong way or what have you) it's no bloody fun.

Very interesting attachment you had, Chu, and within the nasal spray sounded interesting, not to mention the list of possibilities in terms of treatments. Also, great that you have accreditation to administer for people, Gaby, and that is a good local link here you have offered - Pure Ocean Minerals, Electrolytes and Trace Elements

Something new to learn every day...!
 

nature

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:-O Woww!!! Another interesting medical thing I ignored ! It's jaw dropping. I'll take time to carefully read the documents you 've put here. Thank you very much to all of you.
 

Chu

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:-O Woww!!! Another interesting medical thing I ignored ! It's jaw dropping. I'll take time to carefully read the documents you 've put here. Thank you very much to all of you.
Excellent! And if you are very interested, you can do the "stage" (training). They only accept doctors and nurses.

Contact ┃ Société Internationale d'Hydrotomie Percutanée

I wonder if it could be helpful for your hearing. They inject in the jaw, for teeth problems and bone degeneration.

Here they mention tinnitus (acouphènes)
- hydrotomie percutanée - Quinton

I haven't come accross anything talking about the inner ear, though. But it may be worth asking Dr Bernard GUEZ, or one of his trained practitioners:
Liste des praticiens formés à l’hydrotomie percutanée ┃ Société Internationale d'Hydrotomie Percutanée

Attached, another interesting article about the properties of Quinton water (in French).
 

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Gaby

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Attached, another interesting article about the properties of Quinton water (in French).
Fascinating testimonials! It says that René Quinton reported in the 1910s - 1920s that newborns went from an average of 1.5kg and 2.5 kg to 3-4kg (normal). There were less congenital malformations and pregnant women had less vomiting, fatigue and so forth.

Quinton water is used in Spain and France for endurance sports: cyclists, football players, runners, basketball players, etc.

It has also shown rejuvenating effects in the elderly in case of fatigue, memory problems, cognitive decline, etc.

According to the nurse Viviana Gaumat, isotonic Quinton water regenerates cartilage. She cites a case of regeneration of knee meniscus and another case of a child with a congenital malformation who was born without elbow cartilages. Both regenerated their cartilage and in the case of the kid, it was created anew. They speculate that he had his stem cells intact and that the Quinton water allowed a proper medium for cartilage development. Viviana treated her shoulder injury which no treatment relieved. After several sessions of Quinton water underneath the skin in the shoulder, she was cured.

She says that there shouldn't be a lot of subcutaneous fatty tissue space between the localized injection and the target place, otherwise it doesn't work. So it seems that the vertebral column and joints such as knees and shoulders have better results because these are readily accessible. Some people may be very fatty at the hips and in this case, the water doesn't come into contact directly with the joint and bone, which explains their worse outcomes on hip arthrosis.

Viviana says that you will get better results if you drink orally Quinton water. Those who have high blood pressure and other diseases where salt restriction is advised, cannot drink the hypertonic solution. But those who can drink it would benefit. I wouldn't recommend hypertonic solution to those with cardiovascular disease such as congestive heart failure, but they could drink the isotonic solution.

The nurse also cites a case of a 80 years old man who had the subcutaneous injections with Quinton water, but he was still very tired and achy despite the appropriate Quinton treatment. After drinking hypertonic solution in conjunction with the injections, he recovered to the point of riding again his bike and so forth.

Viviana also recommends using Quinton creams topically on the sites of the injections beforehand for better results, but could be a commercial trick. She cites BiOcean Isotonic.

Anyway, pretty fascinating.

From what I gather from the video above, you can still get a lot of excellent results by only drinking the water.
 

hlat

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Viviana says that you will get better results if you drink orally Quinton water. Those who have high blood pressure and other diseases where salt restriction is advised, cannot drink the hypertonic solution. But those who can drink it would benefit.
That's great for all of us who do not have ready access to a practitioner to inject.
 

Gaby

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That's great for all of us who do not have ready access to a practitioner to inject.
Oh yes, and I should clarify that rejuvenation and cognitive improvement was based on results from elderly people drinking water. In the case of sportsmen, it is a Quinton sportsmen special for drinking as well. The results about pregnant women and their babies were based on drinking water as well, I think. And the last video Chu posted, is all focused about drinking Quinton water. The person interviewed suggested adding some sodium bicarbonate, explaining that the Quinton water properties would not wash away much needed stomach acid properties for digestion and defense.

Hypertonic Quinton water is good for years. The isotonic one is better when used within months? I'm not sure I caught that part correctly. The Hypertonic Quinton water preserves better though for "stock" purposes. You can later dilute it with distilled water to make an isotonic solution. He said in how much (1/4th of hypertonic and the rest distilled?), but perhaps someone who is fluent in French can clarify that.
 

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Hypertonic Quinton water is good for years. The isotonic one is better when used within months? I'm not sure I caught that part correctly. The Hypertonic Quinton water preserves better though for "stock" purposes. You can later dilute it with distilled water to make an isotonic solution. He said in how much (1/4th of hypertonic and the rest distilled?), but perhaps someone who is fluent in French can clarify that.
DeepL translation of this article:

How to conserve seawater?
Many of you are asking yourselves this question. This is useful to know if it is possible to store it, because it is, indeed, more profitable to take larger quantities.

Conserving hypertonic seawater

Hypertonic seawater has a real internal osmosis. It's enough on her own.

As a result, whether it is open or not, hypertonic seawater keeps for several years as long as it is kept cool (ambient temperature) and protected from light (to avoid the proliferation of phytoplankton, or algae).

We remind you that it is important to revitalize your water before each consumption.

[What do they mean by that?]
[ADD: answering my own question. Apparently, you need to shake the solution vertically a dozen times before absorbing it, in order to "revitalize" it. Also, it's advisable to take it away from meals on an empty stomach]

Conserving isotonic seawater

Isotonic sea water is obtained by diluting hypertonic sea water with 2 times its volume in spring water (See the article How to transform hypertonic sea water into isotonic sea water?).

Because of this dilution, isotonic seawater may not be preserved as long as it is undiluted. Also, it is recommended to consume it more quickly, i.e. within 2 to 3 days after manufacture and to keep it during this time in a cool place (minimum temperature 8°C, maximum 20°C) and away from light.

The best would be to make it as you go along and at the most for the day's consumption.

We remind you that it is important to revitalize your water before each consumption.

Glass bottles, no plastic

Plastic "perspires" on any water, especially on sea water, which by its salt content has a corrosive power on plastic. That is why we will never offer you plastic bottles for human therapeutic use because it would be a shame if the beneficial effects were counterbalanced by plastic intoxication.
The above website has an online shop. You can download an instruction guide (in French) about how to use their products.
 

nature

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Thank you very much, Chu, for your caring ! II liked your idea, so I registered for a training ;-) . As hearing loss is not included in their indications (cochlea is a deep, inaccessible, intra-bone organ), I gave him an idea about how to access it very closely. I'll see his reply. Anyways, it's worth trying it by usual hydrotomy method. Laura mentioned the importance of spine in various health issues, E Cayce advices osteopathy on cervical spine in hearing problems. So, experimenting hydrotomy on back-neck worths it. Looking forward trying it.
 

Esote

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I can testify the Quinton plasma water is something really worth trying !
Around fifteen years ago I used the Quinton protocol for my knees, which were giving me very hard times while working in the mountains.
I did it once for each knee and never had the problems again, only a small discomfort here and there at times, very easy to handle, when previously I was just wondering how I could continue working...
 

Persej

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Structured water?
Well, it could be an effect of structured water, but they also say that it is basically a mixture of predigested minerals. So the vortex stirs up the nutrients from the ocean floor, then plankton eat those nutrients and excrete byproducts. And that is what makes this water so beneficial. It reminds me of fermented food. Here is a graph that explains it: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/85/af/f385af457190f4fa1d92e82139b0cc72.jpg

And here is one small video clip:
 

Persej

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These two articles are interesting:

http://www.equilibrauk.com/Quinton/Dittman.pdf
http://www.equilibrauk.com/Quinton/Dittman2.pdf

The first one is about restoring health, but the second one goes deeper than that. It says:

Today, forward-thinking scientists are beginning to understand what Quinton knew 100 years ago; that marine plasma has the power to regulate our own “internal ocean” as it informs our genetic potential and guides our very evolution. (...)

Trace minerals account for approximately three percent of the electrolytes in the ocean and our internal environment, where they form a complex interdependent synergy. One billionth of a gram (nanogram) of metal contains 2.5 billion atoms. One to ten atoms are
all that is needed to activate an enzyme. Therefore, even a minute but consistent supply of organic “live” trace minerals has the ability to restore the balance lost from nutrient deficient foods. (...)

Crystalloid minerals are bioavailable at the epigenetic level both outside and inside the cell – interacting with the cell membrane to direct genetic potential. (..)

The minerals, organic compounds, and genetic material stored in the marine plasma form a matrix of biological information that may intelligently evolve us.
That reminds me of this comment from C's:

Trace minerals interact with deeply held secrets.
 

Renaissance

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You can later dilute it with distilled water to make an isotonic solution. He said in how much (1/4th of hypertonic and the rest distilled?), but perhaps someone who is fluent in French can clarify that.
Fwiw, I had read that distilled water shouldn't be used for the isotonic solution and to use natural unheated mineral water instead:

Réné Quinton_Sea Water_seawater
Quinton had emphasized the fact that distilled water (sterilised by heating) would have made sea water lose many of its properties. Thus, to bring the marine concentration back to the sanguine isotonic state, the sea water is diluted with natural unheated mineral water (Aqua Fontana). Thus is obtained saline water at 9g/l total salts, commercialised under the name of Quinton®Isotonic Drinkable.
If you make your own isotonic solution, I was thinking it would probably be best to have access to a quality natural spring.
 

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Yesterday we went to the nurse again, and I learned some cool stuff, just asking her questions. This is just what she said, FWIW.

1) For people with a heart condition: the treatment is totally safe. In her opinion, the best is to start drinking Quinton water and doing a 3 month cure. She claims that that can go a long way in cleansing all the internal organs and reinforcing the immune system. THEN, injections in localized areas if the person is suffering from bone problems. The reason to do it in that order is so that the detox reaction is not so strong. Otherwise, the EDTA may be a bit too rough on the system. She also reduces the volume of EDTA, just in case.

2) For deafness: She doesn't know of anything that will definitely revert the problem when it is at the level of the cochlea and has attained nerves, and all that. However, she said that she has seen many cases where injections as close as possible to areas that are injured spread the benefits to those areas that were unreachable. For example, injecting the solutions on C3 can have an effect on the vocal chords.

3) This is what the nurse is injecting:
- Xylocaine
- Soluvit (Vitamin B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B7, B9, B12)
- Magnesium pidolate
- Conjonctyl (Sodium Monomethyltrisilanol Orthohydroxybenzoate) = Salicylic acid derivative, I think.
- Quinton Water
- Sodium Chloride (for dilution)

In some other cases, she will use pentoxyfilin to increase circulation in the area and treat a wider surface. Or sulphur for hair loss.

4) If it was up to her, and in a better world where drugs and pharmaceuticals haven't take over, she would recommend systematic injections on all the major joints and along the spine, as a means to prevent diseases and "oil" the bones for years and years. And of course, oral intake of Quinton water. But she explained that for general prevention, Quinton alone works really well, (hydration and nourisshing). For deeper nourishing and regeneration, the injections are better (Vit. B, Mg). For rebuilding of tissues, the salicylic acid. And for actually dissolving calcium (removing arthritis), then it's very had to achieve that with just Quinton, and the key in that case is the EDTA.

As for some testimonies:

The nurse herself was supposed to have surgery in her shoulder (she suffered from severe arthritis), and the solution was going to be a prosthetic bone. She refused, and instead got into Quinton. She has perfect mobility and no arthritis in the area anymore.

I talked to a lady in the waiting room, who told me her own story: She was due for surgery in her shoulders. She had had to stop driving and dressing herself, so bad it was. And now she is SO happy! She said that after 6 treatments, the entire problem was resolved. She was just going to see the nurse again because she wanted "extra juice" on other areas, as a prevention.
 

Persej

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If you make your own isotonic solution, I was thinking it would probably be best to have access to a quality natural spring.
These guys are actually against any making of isotonic solutions at home:

Q: Can I dilute Hypertonic to make my own Isotonic?

A: René Quinton discovered a precise method of creating Isotonic. To produce it as he did, you would need sophisticated measurement machines as well as a sterile environment. Since these requirements are beyond the scope of the average person, we advise against trying to do it.

Original Ouinton FAQ - Kelatox
But maybe it's just marketing.

On the other hand, I think I figured out why are they claiming that Quinton Plasma can change our genes. It's because, allegedly, it can change the genetic abnormalities in the offspring. I found this excerpt from the book Brighton Baby:

To demonstrate the elegant simplicity of marine plasma, René Quinton built his legacy taking on impossible reproductive challenges. Under the direction of Dr. Jean Jarricot, women would come to the Quinton clinic with a history of multiple failed pregnancies or a history of severe birth defects, including under-developed infants that died in early childhood (called “athrepsia” or “failure to thrive”). Dr. Jarricot would give marine plasma to these women before and during their next pregnancy. In almost every documented case, the next child would be born healthy. He documented hundreds of these pregnancy cases, following the children sometimes into early adulthood.

Why is it so effective?

Original Quinton seems to correct the way in which our genes are being expressed at a fundamental level. (...)

How marine plasma informs our genes is not something that science fully understands. And yet, the clinical case studies tell us all we need to know – that Quinton’s marine plasma is communicating something powerful to our genes. It seems to be making corrections in our genetic expression – corrections that may shift your future child's biological destiny.
Also here:

Quinton demonstrated that the ocean may be the key to resorting our health. Case studies conducted in Quinton's clinics revealed that infusions with Ocean Plasma helped many to overcome genetic imperfections. When supplied during their pregnancies, mothers who had delivered up to eight previous stillborn or genetically deficient children all delivered healthy, normal infants. Thousands of children who received Ocean Plasma recovered from genetic abnormalities. Patients were repeatedly able to establish homeostasis based on restoration of their internal terrain.

Ocean Plasma - Therapeutic Value
 
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