Ramtha??

Is it me, or has anyone made the mistake of assuming that laura kinght-jadczyk and JZ Knight are the same person? I think its because of 'Knight' in the name.
No disrespect Laura.
On a serious note, do you guys know each other?
Has this forum ever discussed Ramtha and his teachings channelled through JZ knight?
For anyone wishing more info on JZ knight, copy and paste this link.

_http://ramtha.com/html/pdf/introduction.pdf
 
Egads! Well, I think JZ was married to some guy named Knight. I was born a Knight.

No, I don't know her and I'm not mourning that fact. I've read a bit of the Ramtha stuff... couldn't stomach much of it. The first time I ever saw her was in the "What the Bleep..." movie which I thought was ridiculous. When the people watching it with me told me that was JZ Knight, I was kinda shocked. She was really ditzy, to say the least.

I understand she's pretty rich and we are pretty poor, so I guess a lot of folks like her stuff better. I'm not mourning that fact either. I'd worry about what I was doing if it was really popular!
 
Laura said:
No, I don't know her and I'm not mourning that fact. I've read a bit of the Ramtha stuff... couldn't stomach much of it. The first time I ever saw her was in the "What the Bleep..." movie which I thought was ridiculous. When the people watching it with me told me that was JZ Knight, I was kinda shocked. She was really ditzy, to say the least.
Correction: That was Ramtha talking. ;)
 
Actually, JZ Knight was the first alleged channel that I'd ever heard about being debunked. Maybe it's just because she was so famous. A lot of people, even in the new-age community, if I recall correctly, seemed to be screaming hoax and that was twenty years ago. Despite that, and the further credibility gained by being attacked by the likes of Rick Ross and Carl Sagan :), I can't remember a word of the Ramtha book I once read.

Apparently, the whole "What the Bleep..." movie was called a hoax because it's supposed to be a documentary, but it turned out that the filmmakers were all Ramtha School of Enlightenment students, and thus it was more of a propaganda film. I don't know, ask Roger Ebert: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041003/ANSWERMAN/410030301

While the film "What the #$*! Do We Know!?" parades itself as a tell-all about quantum physics, it turns out that it's actually a 111-minute infomercial for ... that's right, the Ramtha School of Enlightenment.
 
Here is another intersting cross-reference.

A couple of years ago after a Nexus conference in Amsterdam I ended up in the hotel bar talking to Al Bilek and apparently his long lost half-brother (???) who is half Al's age and German (I can't remember his name, I probably have his card somewhere).

After a couple of drinks their tongues loosened and I found myself between the two being blasted with fantastic stories.

On the left Al, in English, telling me about his time travels to Atlantis (100,000 years back) and also a few hundred years into the future on various time lines, while at the same time his half brother on the right told me in German, about how he was always hidden as a child, sometimes disguised as a girl and smuggled from here to there, as his father was supposedly an intel super heavy weight who was meeting (with his son in tow!!!!) with Stalin and Truman.

He also told me that he was trained in some super special school (with what appeared to be hybrid children) and how he still sometimes gets hyper-dimensionally abducted to do hyper-dimensional missions (taken to other space-times where he has to do stuff. Then after the mission, he is returned to where he left - same place and time - and not able to clearly remember (kind of like with dreams you can't put together again.))

Anyway, both talked about the networks and schools one has to go through to be in the know. When I asked them if they could tell me about such school they almost both answered at the same time: "Yelm and Ramtha".

The half-brother told me what incredible (psychic) stuff he learned and Al told me that he gave lectures there.

Now the Cs saying Al is a fraud. Even-though he does know things he never did time-travel and basically he is an agent who's mission is to gauge how gullible people are and to infiltrate certain truth seeking groups. (By the way - if that is true than he is working right now the Disclosure Network New York, DNNY - anyway an easy target).

On the other hand, even-though some of the their stories seam very far out (i.e. You can go into some building in NYC, take the elevator to some secret sub floor where you exit into a high speed subway that takes you to Montauk, Long Island in 10 minutes, to some huge human/alien underground base where lizard scientists work) they all revolved somehow around some hyper-dimensional theme, which makes (thinking about it) more sense to me know as I am more familiar with the hyper-dimensional concept (thanks to Laura's work)

So what I am saying is: Maybe Ramtha and Yelm should be researched further. Not because I think the teachings are true but because one might find further clues. After all: Disinformation is often a combination of lies and truth and half-truths or half-lies. Ones one knows where somebody stands one could possibly extract useful information.
 
Fifth Way said:
He also told me that he was trained in some super special school (with what appeared to be hybrid children)
Brought to mind the special school in the X-Men movies. No, wait, that was mutant children, not hybrids.
 
wilecoyote said:
Is it me, or has anyone made the mistake of assuming that laura kinght-jadczyk and JZ Knight are the same person? I think its because of 'Knight' in the name.
I have to embarrasingly admit that I did make that mistake when I first encountered the C's material, about I year before I started posting here. In fact, it was a bit of a head-scratcher for quite some time how this JZ person could have such a radical life-altering epiphany to change her direction so much. I thought: Wow, this must be one of those Saul to Paul conversions or something, but in some channeler version.

At the time I figured that anything was possible, and I got interested in SOTT and the forum initially because I was curious about the life-altering "miracle". I never read Ramtha, but was familiar with all the publicity around the JZ Knight individual since the late 80's. And even though the details didn't fit, even with the name, part of me kept coming back to the association in a reflexive manner, probably because both parties are invovled in channeling.

Oh well...I guess if that persistent association didn't exist I may not have ended up here.
 
I met a woman a couple of years ago who teaches kids at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment. She sung its praises highly. She told me she was writing a physics book for kids. What a 6 year old kid will want to understand about physics is beyond me, I was too busy playing and enjoying my childhood to worry about learning physics but then again we all develop differently. Anyway our meeting was highly synchronistic and we both met each other in foreign countries so it was interesting to say the least.

So what I am saying is: Maybe Ramtha and Yelm should be researched further. Not because I think the teachings are true but because one might find further clues. After all: Disinformation is often a combination of lies and truth and half-truths or half-lies. Ones one knows where somebody stands one could possibly extract useful information.
Yelm is also the correspondance address of the Leading Edge Research Group which has produced some interesting work. Signs readers may like to check out the link:

Leading Edge research Group

As to whether there is something interesting happening in Yelm, Yes it looks that way but I guess only the American readership will be able to properly deduce that...
 
Most people who have been looking at Ramtha point out that it was told that Ramtha would be around for awhile and then go away. They have deduced that Ramtha went away a LOOOOOOOONG time ago and that JD Knight just contintues to pretend. I find the "what the bleep" phenomena very creepy myself. I bought a bunch of the books only to discover that although Wayne Dyer was on the cover endorsing The Field, nobody else of note had much to say about it -- and the word God or Love only appeared in the last two pages. I gave up reading the "recommended list". I am leery of anything that purports to be "scientific" and "spiritual", yet doesn't credit nature with anything at all and JD Knight certainly puts nature DOWN when you buy the $24 videos that last about 15 minutes!! It interests me to watch the Seth/Jane Roberts people FLOCKING to this material and ditching A Course in Miracles, as they are, on their various forums. I had to quit those entirely. Although Rob Buts and Jane Roberts had been "under attack" themselves, the followers just refuse to consider conspiracy as a reality. JD Knight would have everyone believing whole-heartedly in the idea that the law of attraction is primary and people ASK for abuse. Even Alan Freed of "what the bleep ..." and who is subsequently in "The Secret" has written a letter repudiating the way he was "used" by filmmakers.
 
Over the years I have learned to steer clear of any guru or the chosen one. I simply beleive that everyone has to be their own guru. Also I had a fair share on New Age workshops and books to became aware of the big deception called New Age.

Yet, I have to admit I honestly enjoyed What a Bleep.. when I first saw it.
yes the movie does promote essentialy wrong YCYOR paradygm but in the same time it opens the sleeper to pssibility of other realities.
Same goes for Ms. Knight. Nothing she said in this movie was essentially wrong. I liked her energy and I am sure there is nothing so bad about her. The thing is at the time I didnt have a clue who she was and I thought she was the one of the scientists. Of all the speakers I only knew Ms. Candace Pert whose book The molecules of emotion I read years ago and I still beleive she is a genuine scientist.

In the meantime I have heard about the complaints of participants who have been heavily edited and totally shocked when they saw the final version of the movie. I ve also heard that japanese dude has faked the whole water thing and that there is nothing scientific about his experiments. And of course I have heard all the gossip about Ms. Knight which may or may not be true. I really dont care, its unimportant.

The thing is - this movie has managed to inspire me and for me that is all that matters.
My point being - even if this little film is just a marketing material for Ms. Knight and her sect I still appriciate the feeling it has given me.
 
I rented and watched "What the Bleep?" last week. I rather "enjoyed" it also as entertainment, though I did become quite annoyed by the large percentage of gibberish output by some (most at times) of the commentators, and the fact that there were no opposing views, or explanations of what the seemingly nonsensical views of these "experts" actually mean. There was a little too much glee and naive wonder in their presentations for me.

I guessed by the end that one woman was JZ Knight. She is credited as "Ramtha," which I suppose means that she was in trance throughout, though I couldn't tell it except that sometimes I got the feeling she was acting -- and I'm being very serious about that -- she was clearly more "dramatic" than that of any other interviewees, and that came across to me as smugness. When I went back and watched her comments again I became even more suspicious because her strange accent seemed to come and go (again, she is credited only as Ramtha, never as JZ Knight, so I assume she was never speaking as "herself"). Also, upon reviewing her (Ramtha's) comments, I concluded that they were among the least focused or interesting in the film.

I found the YCYOR viewpoint to be exactly the same as I've read from many "New Age" sources, though it's not the only one, of course. As I mentioned before, I read some Ramtha a couple of decades ago and can't remember anything about it. Just my two cents.
 
Last night National Geographic aired the show titled - Is it Real? Apparently this is the series where they are discussing different phenomena in every episode from UFOs to Atlantis. So last night it was about Nostradamus prophecies.
It wasn't so interesting until Ramtha or Ms. Knight appeared.
She gave her vision of the future which is is more or less in line with the clues given by CS. It seems she has been researching around as her "prophecy" was very big turn from YCYR bubble in what the bleep do we know?

While ago I wrote this about Ms. Knight:

Deckard said:
I liked her energy and I am sure there is nothing so bad about her.
Two years after, reluctantly I have to admit I still like this lady. Its hard to believe she is 60 years old, she doesn't look more then 40 and it definitely isn't about surgery and other stuff rich people do in order to mummify themselves, there is some kind of inner glow about her, something that makes her look "enlightened". She sort of exudes positive energy, even when she speaks of coming catastrophes. She appears to be centered and I can easily see how she manages to convince so many people that Ramtha (ancient lemurian warrior :) ) dwells in her body.
From what has been said on this topic it is very likely she is just a crook, if this is the case I have to say she is darn good in disguising herself. And I am wondering what is her secret, especially what is her fountain of youth? Can youthful appearance really be a sign of embodying higher conscience.
 

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