Ramtha??

[Renaissance]

And I am wondering what is her secret, especially what is her fountain of youth? Can youthful appearance really be a sign of embodying higher conscience.

Seems you're being pulled in by the 'like and dislike' of your false personality. Why would a youthful appearance have anything to do with conscience? Instead, this reminds me of the vampire myths.

 

[dant]

Q: (L) J.Z. Knight supposedly channeled Ramtha. Who was Ramtha?
A: Originally valid source.
Q: (L) Did that change?
A: Greed.
Q: (T) So she faked it?
A: Yes.

 

[Z...]

Seems you're being pulled in by the 'like and dislike' of your false personality. Why would a youthful appearance have anything to do with conscience? Instead, this reminds me of the vampire myths.

well maybe it is false personality, I am surprised that now after I have supposedly developed better ability for critical thinking - I fell under the spell of this women as easily as the first time I saw her. And it is not just youthful appearance - the woman has charisma.

Why would youthful appearance have anything to do with conscience? Hmm I dont know, I was just thinking aloud, the premise implied in some sources is more conscious you are, more pure you are and therefore aging and other entropic processes slow down, they can never stop completely in 3 D

 

[anart]

Why would youthful appearance have anything to do with conscience? Hmm I dont know, I was just thinking aloud, the premise implied in some sources is more conscious you are, more pure you are and therefore aging and other entropic processes slow down, they can never stop completely in 3 D

Could you quote such 'sources'? I think there are many factors, including genetics, stress, physical body maintenance, diet, injury (the list could go on and on and on) that affect 'youthful appearance'. So, I'm curious what sources there are that say if you're 'more conscious' it means 'more pure' and thus you 'age less quickly'.

It appears that a focus on physical appearance might be ruling your thinking here, Deckard, thus my question.

 

[PepperFritz]

And it is not just youthful appearance - the woman has charisma....

So do many psychopaths.

 

[nemo]

And I am wondering what is her secret, especially what is her fountain of youth?

My two cents: A good plastic surgeon!
Ar least that was my strong impression while watching her in What The Bleep...
This conclusion led to the question why a "spiritualy adanced" person would feel the need to appear younger.

 

[dant]

Yup, that just may be it.

Why does one need to maintain 'youthful appearances'? Vanity perhaps?
Isn't vanity expensive considering that there are starving people on the planet?

I think the C's response is quite apt and it says it all.

 

[Z...]

Could you quote such 'sources'? I think there are many factors, including genetics, stress, physical body maintenance, diet, injury (the list could go on and on and on) that affect 'youthful appearance'. So, I'm curious what sources there are that say if you're 'more conscious' it means 'more pure' and thus you 'age less quickly'.

Well off hand no, I do remember encountering this notion several times when reading different metaphysical materials, but my interpretation may be wrong. The basic premise, as I understood it was - higher the level of consciousness higher the demand on the physical body which has to be able to sustain this higher consciousness. Also it would be logical to conclude that higher level of consciousness effects body maintenance, diet habits, stress levels etc, but as I said I was just thinking aloud.

It appears that a focus on physical appearance might be ruling your thinking here, Deckard, thus my question.

Sure , you are right about this. But there is also another element here. I reacted to something this women was exuding which was beyond her physical appearance and seemingly coming from the inside. Of course this may be just an illusion.

And it is not just youthful appearance - the woman has charisma....

So do many psychopaths.

Well yes, only in most of such cases what other people characterized as charismatic I found ridiculous. But we are talking about strictly individual impressions, no way to be objective when it comes to these things.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Well off hand no, I do remember encountering this notion several times when reading different metaphysical materials, but my interpretation may be wrong.

I remember that too, at least from one of RA's sessions:

Questioner: Thank you. The first question is: Why does rapid aging occur on this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. Rapid aging occurs upon this third-density planet due to an ongoing imbalance of receptor web complex in the etheric portion of the energy field of this planet. The thought-form distortions of your peoples have caused the energy streamings to enter the planetary magnetic atmosphere, if you would so term this web of energy patterns, in such a way that the proper streamings are not correctly imbued with balanced vibratory light/love from the, shall we say, cosmic level of this octave of existence.

Questioner: Do I assume correctly in assuming that one of your attempts in service to this planet was to help the population of this planet more fully understand and practice the Law of One so that this aging, rapid aging could be changed to normal aging?

Ra: I am Ra. You assume correctly to a great degree.

Questioner: Then it would be very beneficial for the people of this planet in practicing the Law of One to learn ways of service at this time. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. If you will observe those oriented to a lifetime experiential distortion complex from near the beginning of that experience, you will observe a relatively youthful, as you would call it, appearance.

Questioner: What is the greatest service that our population on this planet could perform individually?

Ra: I am Ra. There is but one service. The Law is One. The offering of self to Creator is the greatest service, the unity, the fountainhead. The entity who seeks the one Creator is with infinite intelligence. From this seeking, from this offering, a great multiplicity of opportunities will evolve depending upon the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions with regard to the various illusory aspects or energy centers of the various complexes of your illusion.

Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth.

Questioner: If an entity were perfectly balanced with respect to the Law of One on this planet would he undergo the aging process?

Ra: I am Ra. A perfectly balanced entity would become tired rather than visibly aged. The lessons being learned, the entity would depart. However, this is appropriate and is a form of aging which your peoples do not experience. The understanding comes slowly, the body complex decomposing more rapidly.

Questioner: Can you tell me a little more about the word, “balancing,�? as we are using it?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the One Infinite. You have no picture. Thus, the process begins. Love, creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance.

In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy.

Questioner: Am I correct in assuming one of the blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex might be, shall we say, ego, and this could be balanced using, say, a worthiness/unworthiness balance. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.

Questioner: Can you tell me how you balance the ego?

Ra: I am Ra. We cannot work with this concept as it is misapplied and understanding cannot come from it.

Questioner: How does an individual go about balancing himself? What is the first step?

etc...

The full session is here:
_http://wiki.lawofone.info/index.php/Ra_Session_15

But even if this is true to some degree and in some cases, I don't see how it could be useful. We can't know if someone is "spiritual" unless we too have done the Work and can recognize it in someone else from their words and actions - at which point we wouldn't need appearance at all. And if we aren't at the level ourselves where we could see something like this in someone else, then we also wouldn't know the difference between "youthfulness because of spirituality" or "youthfulness because of genetics/other reasons".

This concept would also be instantly twisted by psychopaths and our own predator minds and egoes into "spirituality makes you youthful/attractive, I am youthful/attractive, therefore I am spiritual". And the other side of the self-importance coin, self-pity: "I am ugly/un-youthful, therefore I am not spiritual". And as Anart mentioned, there's a million reasons why someone can be youthful/attractive or not, therefore "spirituality" does not apply to the overwhelmingly vast majority of the population as the deciding factor of appearance.

Not to mention it would be similar to "might makes right" in how it would be used by psychopaths. That is, "I have conquered you therefore God prefers me and I am more righteous" and "I am youthful therefore I am spiritual".

The basic premise, as I understood it was - higher the level of consciousness higher the demand on the physical body which has to be able to sustain this higher consciousness.

That actually sounds like it should have the opposite effect then - higher level of consciousness = more wear and tear on physical body, so would result in less youthful appearance? Of course the relationship might be indirect too. Higher level of consciousness = less concern for physical appearance = not taking care of physicality as much = deterioration of physicality.

Sure , you are right about this. But there is also another element here. I reacted to something this women was exuding which was beyond her physical appearance and seemingly coming from the inside. Of course this may be just an illusion.

Well yes, only in most of such cases what other people characterized as charismatic I found ridiculous. But we are talking about strictly individual impressions, no way to be objective when it comes to these things.

I think we can be objective, but we'd have to be patient, network, and be very careful and critical in our analysis. Have you looked into her channeled stuff? That might be a good clue of her "spirituality".

 

[Tigersoap]

Well off hand no, I do remember encountering this notion several times when reading different metaphysical materials, but my interpretation may be wrong.

I also encountered this notion but I can't say where exactly.
I think it may have been linked to buddhists or various Saints not experiencing decay and old age even after their death.

Also this passage from : http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/fulcanelli_da_vinci_code.htm

Another interesting clue was discussed among us. At one point, we were discussing Canseliet’s visit to Seville where he encountered Fulcanelli as a young girl. The issue of our discussion was: what was the meaning of this event and was it intended to convey a message? And if so, to whom? It certainly was the one thing that conveyed to me reams of information about the nature of the Great Work. In 1995, the Cassiopaeans had described some of the effects of a "4th density bleedthrough" on 3rd density humans in the following way:

4th density frees one from the illusion of "time" as you WILL to perceive it. Picture driving down a highway, suddenly you notice auras surrounding everything.... Being able to see around corners, going inside little cottages which become mansions, when viewed from inside... Going inside a building in Albuquerque and going out the back door into Las Vegas, going to sleep as a female, and waking up male... Flying in a plane for half an hour and landing at the same place 5 weeks later... Picture driving to reach New Mexico by car and "skipping" over and arriving in San Diego instead, or... driving to the grocery store in Santa Fe, and winding up in Moscow, instead.

If I understand this correctly, it would not be impossible to look younger at will, unless you don't have any control over it at all and it would depend on the observer or something else altogether, just a thought.

 

[Z...]

Have you looked into her channeled stuff? That might be a good clue of her "spirituality".

I am afraid I haven't. Until now I only saw What d bleep and her brief appearance in above mentioned National geographic show.

I just goggled her a bit and and seen few videos on youtube which is more then a clue enough.
I rest my case Ramtha seems to be hopeless case.

Ramtha, like Christ, ascended into heaven, after his many conquests, including the conquest of himself. He said he'd be back and he kept his promise by coming to Knight in 1977 while she was in her pyramidiot phase. She put a toy pyramid on her head and lo and behold if that wasn't a signal for Ramtha to return to the land of the living dead:

And he looked at me and he said: "Beloved woman, I am Ramtha the Enlightened One, and I have come to help you over the ditch" And, well, what would you do? I didn't understand because I am a simple person so I looked to see if the floor was still underneath the chair. And he said: "It is called the ditch of limitation", and he said: "And I am here, and we are going to do a grand work together."*

Apparently, the first rule of the wise is: beware the ditch of limitation. Knight's husband-to-be must have fallen into the ditch. He was there at the time Ramtha first invaded his girlfriend's body, but he was so busy lining up pyramids with a compass that he didn't see Ramtha. He did feel The Enlightened One's magnetic charm, however; for, according to Knight (and who wouldn't believe her?), the compass needle was spinning around madly and they saw "ionization" in the kitchen air.

Ramtha then became Knight's personal tutor for two years, teaching her everything from theology to quantum mechanics. He taught her how to have out-of-body experiences. The experience was so extraordinary she had to dig very deep for a metaphor to try to convey the bliss she felt: "I felt like....like a fish in the ocean."

Her big break came when her son, Brandy, developed "an allergic reaction to life." He had to have a few shots but he was allergic to the allergy shots. Fortunately, "the Ram" (as Knight calls her spirit invader) came to the rescue and taught her therapeutic touch. She healed Brandy with prayer and her touch "in less than a minute," greatly reducing her medical bills. She had performed a miracle and now nothing would stop her from entering the public arena.

here she gives "lecture on Quantum Physics" in the Reverend Feel Good fashion ;):

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXHtjb44qyA

here she is supposed to talk about impending climate change but she just gives usual YCYR rant :
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfGs-cA3E_M&feature=related

and what she has to say about UFOs is , well pretty pathetic
__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pQRyhCicQ&feature=related


shish, I could have spent last hour or so much better

 

[EGVG]

I actually I hear(from an really good trustfull source) that she was left alone by Ramtha in 2004 or 2003, she got greedy and I heard a "rumor" that she was doing drugs... Well I honestly don't know, but what I'm really really sure is that she has gotten plastic surgery, definitely a face-lift, mayor BOTOX, and her lips are way to big for her age, normally you lose some volume, so I would guess that some filler came into plate also. Her flawless skin may come from several chemical peels and a good makeup artist, but just imagine been left alone after been the channeler of Ramtha for several years, she must be really depressed in her million dollar Ranch :( :( :( :( :( I actually like her, she's a normal human being.

EDU

 

[anart]

I actually I hear(from an really good trustfull source) that she was left alone by Ramtha in 2004 or 2003, she got greedy and I heard a "rumor" that she was doing drugs... Well I honestly don't know, but what I'm really really sure is that she has gotten plastic surgery, definitely a face-lift, mayor BOTOX, and her lips are way to big for her age, normally you lose some volume, so I would guess that some filler came into plate also. Her flawless skin may come from several chemical peels and a good makeup artist, but just imagine been left alone after been the channeler of Ramtha for several years, she must be really depressed in her million dollar Ranch :( :( :( :( :( I actually like her, she's a normal human being.

EDU

Hi EGVG - just a note that nothing you've written here adds any relevant data to this thread in any way. Please consider whether what you want to write in any thread will actually add data to a conversation, or value in some way, before writing it. Thanks. :)

 

[EGVG]

Hi EGVG - just a note that nothing you've written here adds any relevant data to this thread in any way. Please consider whether what you want to write in any thread will actually add data to a conversation, or value in some way, before writing it. Thanks. :)

Ok, feels like I'm in school all over again, :) what I though was relevant was, that JZ Knight stopped channeling in 2004 or 2003. And I wanted to clarify that she doesn't look young because shes enlightenment or something...
Please continue to help me constructively I appreciate your comments, and sorry for not adding nothing new, but this subjet consern me, as I've read many books by Ramtha.

EDU :)

 

[anart]

Ok, feels like I'm in school all over again, :) what I though was relevant was, that JZ Knight stopped channeling in 2004 or 2003. And I wanted to clarify that she doesn't look young because shes enlightenment or something...
Please continue to help me constructively I appreciate your comments, and sorry for not adding nothing new, but this subjet consern me, as I've read many books by Ramtha.

EDU :)

No worries. :)