Reptilian Encounter Stories

c.a.

The Living Force
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Session: July 19, 1997
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Q: Okay. Change gears: Why is the rooster, or the crowing of the rooster, associated with the idea of underground cities, civilizations, or bases?
A: What causes the rooster to crow?
Q: Light. But, how is light related to an underground city?
A: Tis not just light, but the emergence of light from the depths of the darkness.
Q: Are there such things as 'DEROS,' as described in this underground bases book?
A: Detrimental Robots.
Q: Are DEROS part of the underground city/bases scenario?
A: Yup.
Q: Something you said about the dietary restrictions... about tracking bloodlines. Do dietary restrictions make it easier to track the Jews because of this? Can 4th density track their genetics because of their dietary restrictions?
A: Foolishness!! 4th density beings have no difficulty identifying anyone on 3rd density. Dietary restrictions you speak of are relating to making the body chemistry less attractive for consumption.
Q: You mean consumption as in being eaten?
A: Yes.
Q: So, maybe we should all eat like Jews?
A: Maybe.
Q: Do you mean that 4h density STS likes particularly to eat Aryans?
A: Only the reptilian types.
Q: But, they don't like to eat Jews, is that it?
A: They most prefer children with high body fat content.
Interesting story of a 4thD sts encounter in 1978 in Dubois in Wyoming.
_www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2014/03/reptilian-encounter-at-brooks-lake-wy.html
From:P's and M's
I recently received the following statement:

I am sending this experience and you will be the second person I have ever told about this. The first person went back here the summer after I told him about this and has NEVER talked to me about my story or his trip back there. We slowly lost contact over time and I think this is the reason why.

In 1978 I was Elk hunting west of a town called Dubois in Wyoming. I was on my way back to town for a hot meal, gas and restock my food supplies, as I was camping in a tent in the back country. I was on the highway going west of town coming in and found a man wearing only hunting shoes, heavy shirt and goose down vest. In Wyoming in the middle of October then this was definitely under dressed! They day time temps were at a high of the 30's at best, and nights were in single digits or lower. Well he got out in the road and started waving his arms wildly and begging stop, I saw his eyes had trail of tears on his face trailing down in the dirt on it. I pulled over to the side of the deserted road to see what his problem was, I thought it might be a wreck on the icy spots of the highway. Little did I know this would change my life thinking and the way I hunted by myself up here forever....

He ran to my side of the pickup and I could see he was very scared about something. He grasped the pickup and begged me with tears in his eyes to take him to town. I couldn't say no to this man, I asked him if he was in a wreck or something he said "No just please get me out of here, I need to go somewhere safe." I thought odd that he would say this and as I had my right hand on a pistol in my lap (guys you never know) I said to get in. He looked around at the treeline along the roadway and again ran to the passenger side of the pickup. As he was coming around the truck I put the pistol in in a side pocket of the door and he got inside and locked the door and made sure the window was up, again watching the treeline, "Go please" was all he said. I started back towards town and I then noticed the scratches on his face, clothes and hands and his whole body was shaking. After we went a couple of miles he somewhat slowed down on rechecking the treeline and passenger rear view mirror.

"You O.K. buddy?" I asked, he stared at me for many seconds and just broke down crying like a little kid. "Yah, but don't think I'm crazy man, I just had some shit happen and I ain't going back there for nothing, I hope the guys are O.K.". He composed himself some and started to explain:

I am hunting here with two buddies and we always hunt below Brooks Lake when we come to Wyoming. Usually we get Elk or Deer, never go home skunked here, just love it. I was going along a trail I been on many times to get to a small overlook to sit awhile. It was their turn to push (the Elk) to me. I was almost there when I walked past this stand of three trees close together and on the other side was this huge Lizard, it was standing easy over 6 1/2 feet tall, golden/bronze color with a vest and short metallic looking briefs. I could tell it was a male I guess and he had a black thing in its clawed hand. It's eyes were like a cats and it had a tail. I just stood there with my rifle in my hands across my chest froze kinda like. I was looking into the face of death, I just know it. I coughed a little and it's arm with the black thing came up so fast I could hardly see it. Something hit my whole body from my feet to my head and I fell back on the ground, I dunno if I flew or fell I just went backwards. It came slowly walking up to me I could hear it and could only move my eyes slightly as it came into view, it just looked down to me it's mouth slightly open making a low hissing sound and it's forked tongue slightly coming out of it's mouth. It's head turned down looking at me and did this for a few minutes, I could hear it breathing, see the nose holes working, see it's chest, muscles tensing and relaxing all over it's body, I was just froze there looking up, I couldn't look at it directly and I couldn't close my eyes very easy either. It's expression never changed only the eyes moved sometimes slow like sometimes so fast you could hardly see 'um. On it's sleeveless shirt it had a kinda O with a smaller, screwy offset Y and Z I think, it finally walked away down the trail. I dunno how long I laid there, from the sun movement it was maybe a couple of hours. I could hear the forest sounds, birds, wind, trees, animals going about their day like nothing happened, I would will my arms or legs to move hell, even fingers. When I could move every muscle in my body ached as I would use it, like after a workout at the gym or something. I knew if I went down hill I would come to the old creek bottom and hopefully not see him again. I did that, I followed it to the canyon bottom and then to the road and you. Thanks again, don't make me get out. I took off my coat, I guess I forgot my rifle, cap, I don't need them. I hope Jake and Bobby are O.K. I heard something following me when I first got up, it was real heavy sounding and would stop when I stopped and once or twice I could hear breathing like "it" did, kinda a raspy wheeze sound. I would start running or walking again, I couldn't rest.

He told me which motel to let him off at and I did, he thanked me many times and got out and went in the office. I never seen him again. I thought about the fantastic story and wondered if true, but it could be right? I didn't hear anything about someone having problems anywhere around town that fall.

I asked about the man the next year at the motel (no one could remember him) and if anyone knew stories about the area, I didn't get specific or anything. I didn't press it. My buddy whom I was close to and explored stuff like this at every opportunity was very interested in my story and the location. He took off up there the next summer for a long weekend, I had to work so couldn't go. I didn't see him until a couple of weeks later. I asked him about it and what he found out. He looked at me and got very serious, "Dude, don't go up there, promise me, O.K.?" Was all he said, I could tell he meant it. I would go with this guy sometimes and he was very analytical and professional when doing things like, taping sounds at cemeteries, exploring ghost haunts, and others. He never acted scared at any time. I have never hunted or been on that side of the highway since then, but have talked to others that have seen large barefoot prints, strange flying stuff or howls over the years since then around the Wind River Mountains for what it's worth. I do like to read about the unknown and sometimes explore it, but, and I mean but, if it just feels wrong before I start. I leave it alone.....

Now when I hunt anywhere I don't fear bears, wolves or other people, but I am weary of what else might be out there, and always let someone know where I go and when I should be back...... A.W.H.
Pinnacle Buttes
Location: Wyoming, United States, North America
Lat/Lon: 43.74840°N / 109.9567°W

_www.summitpost.org/pinnacle-buttes/306892
Summer season in the Togwotee/Upper Wind River area is generally July-early September with snow lingering into July and returning in early September. Winter Sports are popular in the area from late November to late May. There are two nice campgrounds; one at Falls just west of the Brooks Lake Road on Highway #26/287 and one at Brooks Lake. A private lodge operates at Brooks Lake. (When I went to inquire for this page, I was quickly and rudely chased away - no questions asked)
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trendsetter37

The Living Force
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Re: Reptilian Encounter Storys

This was an interesting account. Sometimes I wonder though if it was truly one of the theoretical 4D Lizzy's. Is it necessary for him to even breath like the man describes. The unhuman like quick eye scans and paralysis seems consistent with an entity not being of this world.

The only other thing that bothers me is that they are sometimes scene alone. I would think that one would use an invisible ship or at least have a small group or something but standing out in the middle of the forest? Maybe he was waiting for the guy and wanted him to tell someone else his experience.
 

c.a.

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Re: Reptilian Encounter Storys

trendsetter37 said:
This was an interesting account. Sometimes I wonder though if it was truly one of the theoretical 4D Lizzy's. Is it necessary for him to even breath like the man describes. The unhuman like quick eye scans and paralysis seems consistent with an entity not being of this world.

The only other thing that bothers me is that they are sometimes scene alone. I would think that one would use an invisible ship or at least have a small group or something but standing out in the middle of the forest? Maybe he was waiting for the guy and wanted him to tell someone else his experience.
I've read other accounts, where some encounter's were in caverns in the vast underground system's that exist in the US. There have been people whom have stated that there was a putrid smell that was present before the run in with said denizens. That is something i don't think that one would ever forget. As we've read on the transcripts, that Lizzy's, and grays, possibly defaecate, or sweat through there pores, and so the foul odor. But that seems lacking in the report, or maybe the details the were over looked.

Also the C's have indicated the reptilians, can only maintain, this density for short period's, as to the difficulty in operating in this realm take's so much energy, limiting it's vibration here in 3D. But if that is the case, how were they able to maintain a vibration with the interaction's with the Mayans, and for how long.

Also the Travis Walton Abduction, case (1975_www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVVg9-ZyqqM) had a similar weapon attack of being knocked back by a very powerful beam of light, and incapacitating him unconscious. So if the story is true, they both share an interesting aspect of the advanced weapon technology that have in their possession, with capacity of similar affects.

And Yes trendsetter37 that would be my thought also, that if the said dimensional Alien wanted to liquidate his victim, it would. As that is STS mentality where they just see us as cattle. So your thought could be correct if it is indeed true. I mean who would believe him, given how limited people's understand of this reality, which has been hidden from the general population.

But the contacts, and story's keep popping up with many historical accounts darting way back, as accounts of the devil, do to a lack of understanding what they were witnessing.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
davey72 said:
Or it was a way to maximize the fear factor so as to feed?
Yeah, davey72 that's a good question. "They" use some sort of technology in the feeding of the fear factor in there realm. Unless they can also attain a feeding just being near a subject under paralysis. Hell maybe it needed a direct contact fear snack.

So would think that anything is possible coming from this advanced inner-dimensional culture.

C's also have indicated that Big Foots are the Slaves of the lizards for menial task on the planet.

So what could be the connection to the Wyoming encounters of Lizzy and BF sightings and the area's of Wyoming they are seen in.

? Barbara Lamb Case Files Section 1 ? This very questionable as they can make u think there Santa Claus, all warm, and fuzzy. :shock:
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vc4gMoJveM
Bigfoot Sighting.Smoot Wyoming April 2003 by Bear hunters
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BXK2w7V20w
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0-9Dwpl5sE
 

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trendsetter37

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Re: Reptilian Encounter Storys

davey72 said:
Or it was a way to maximize the fear factor so as to feed?
Yea I can see this being a tactic.

c.a. said:
trendsetter37 said:
This was an interesting account. Sometimes I wonder though if it was truly one of the theoretical 4D Lizzy's. Is it necessary for him to even breath like the man describes. The unhuman like quick eye scans and paralysis seems consistent with an entity not being of this world.

The only other thing that bothers me is that they are sometimes scene alone. I would think that one would use an invisible ship or at least have a small group or something but standing out in the middle of the forest? Maybe he was waiting for the guy and wanted him to tell someone else his experience.
I've read other accounts, where some encounter's were in caverns in the vast underground system's that exist in the US. There have been people whom have stated that there was a putrid smell that was present before the run in with said denizens. That is something i don't think that one would ever forget. As we've read on the transcripts, that Lizzy's, and grays, possibly defaecate, or sweat through there pores, and so the foul odor. But that seems lacking in the report, or maybe the details the were over looked.

Also the C's have indicated the reptilians, can only maintain, this density for short period's, as to the difficulty in operating in this realm take's so much energy, limiting it's vibration here in 3D. But if that is the case, how were they able to maintain a vibration with the interaction's with the Mayans, and for how long.

Also the Travis Walton Abduction, case (1975_www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVVg9-ZyqqM) had a similar weapon attack of being knocked back by a very powerful beam of light, and incapacitating him unconscious. So if the story is true, they both share an interesting aspect of the advanced weapon technology that have in their possession, with capacity of similar affects.

And Yes trendsetter37 that would be my thought also, that if the said dimensional Alien wanted to liquidate his victim, it would. As that is STS mentality where they just see us as cattle. So your thought could be correct if it is indeed true. I mean who would believe him, given how limited people's understand of this reality, which has been hidden from the general population.
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This popped into my head later yesterday regarding the sulfur smell. I have read too many accounts where a thick an unfriendly smell accompanied these experiences. Keel especially goes through this in detail along with illustrating other accompanying ailments such as conjunctivitis and/or radiation burns. The only way I can rationalize not smelling this is if somehow the specific locale was closer to 4D than 3D and therefore the smell might not manifest possibly?

That would make sense I guess. I wonder...what would happen if someone was to see an entity like this and start laughing. I cannot recall any accounts of this being the case but I myself tend to laugh or have a lighthearted attitude in incredibly uncomfortable or dangerous situations which inadvertently makes it more bearable in my opinion. I feel like if I were in the situation of the guy in question I would kind of laugh and say something along the lines of "wow so you do exist".

Maybe they don't target people with that outlook because there is minimal fear exchange relative to someone that would become frightened beyond belief? Or maybe it would be so different an experience, and indeed frightening that it would be impossible to laugh no matter what your predisposition was. Interesting to say the least.
 

Leonarda

Jedi
Re: Reptilian Encounter Storys

c.a. said:
trendsetter37 said:
This was an interesting account. Sometimes I wonder though if it was truly one of the theoretical 4D Lizzy's. Is it necessary for him to even breath like the man describes. The unhuman like quick eye scans and paralysis seems consistent with an entity not being of this world.

The only other thing that bothers me is that they are sometimes scene alone. I would think that one would use an invisible ship or at least have a small group or something but standing out in the middle of the forest? Maybe he was waiting for the guy and wanted him to tell someone else his experience.
I've read other accounts, where some encounter's were in caverns in the vast underground system's that exist in the US. There have been people whom have stated that there was a putrid smell that was present before the run in with said denizens. That is something i don't think that one would ever forget. As we've read on the transcripts, that Lizzy's, and grays, possibly defaecate, or sweat through there pores, and so the foul odor. But that seems lacking in the report, or maybe the details the were over looked.
This sounds horrible. There is a horror movie called "The descent" (it has a second part too) that tells the story of a group of friends that go hiking and get trapped in a cave, and It is quite acurate of what an encounter with cave monsters would be like in real life (how they hunt, eat, defaecate even). I saw it a year before reading Laura's work and when I saw the photo of the monster in the cave (the one the C's said it was a young one) I was like :jawdrop: :jawdrop:
 

denekin

Jedi
FOTCM Member
Re: Reptilian Encounter Storys

In 1970, during my training to become an "Initiator" in the Transcendental Meditation program, I encountered a "being" in meditation, which terrified me. We were meditating for hours a day at the time. This creature was a sentient reptile, scales of muted orange with a slight green metallic shine to them. It exuded "evil". I had no idea what it was or why it was there. Another man on the course had a similar experience and asked Maharishi about it. Maharishi said it was an "unstressing", his standard answer to any experience we had that he didn't want to talk about...
A little over a year later, on another long meditation course, this reptile showed up again (I don't know if it was the same one, or another of its species). And it showed up again. It absolutely terrified me and I decided
I had to confront it, I had to look it in its eyes and grasp what it was. The next time it showed up I gazed into its eyes and tried to grasp its nature. And this is what I understood: it was a being totally motivated by a love of power. It had a very limited sense of aesthetics, a sense of epistemology only in how truth furthered its quest for power, and no sense of ethics at all. To create or to destroy were in a sense both activities for the sake of power. There was no capacity for Joy as we think of it, and what Love it felt was only in the sense that it enjoyed its exercise of Power. Psychologically it reminded me of a mean and cruel five year old.
All this was before I had studied psychopathy, and before I had read any material about Reptilians.
After that experience, I have not encountered the species internally or externally again....fwiw
 

tattoosnthings

A Disturbance in the Force
Re: Reptilian Encounter Storys

Leonarda said:
c.a. said:
trendsetter37 said:
This was an interesting account. Sometimes I wonder though if it was truly one of the theoretical 4D Lizzy's. Is it necessary for him to even breath like the man describes. The unhuman like quick eye scans and paralysis seems consistent with an entity not being of this world.

The only other thing that bothers me is that they are sometimes scene alone. I would think that one would use an invisible ship or at least have a small group or something but standing out in the middle of the forest? Maybe he was waiting for the guy and wanted him to tell someone else his experience.
I've read other accounts, where some encounter's were in caverns in the vast underground system's that exist in the US. There have been people whom have stated that there was a putrid smell that was present before the run in with said denizens. That is something i don't think that one would ever forget. As we've read on the transcripts, that Lizzy's, and grays, possibly defaecate, or sweat through there pores, and so the foul odor. But that seems lacking in the report, or maybe the details the were over looked.
This sounds horrible. There is a horror movie called "The descent" (it has a second part too) that tells the story of a group of friends that go hiking and get trapped in a cave, and It is quite acurate of what an encounter with cave monsters would be like in real life (how they hunt, eat, defaecate even). I saw it a year before reading Laura's work and when I saw the photo of the monster in the cave (the one the C's said it was a young one) I was like :jawdrop: :jawdrop:
there is supposed to be an extension of highway around the brooks lake which will take you to the underground bases,there linked by highways underground ,dulce base is one of them,a guy who is now on the run worked security there mentions the brooks lake system which is no longer used but apparently you can still see sings of it near brooks lake .
 

Corvus

Jedi Council Member
I read some similar stories on one blog Phantoms and Monsters: Pulse of the Paranormal that collects them about people who ventured in underground cave systems and during the Vietnam war, they were interesting.

Here are some stories:

'The Underground' Reptilian Encounter - Carthage, Missouri
When the following story first broke, most people just blew it off. I'll admit, I was one of the naysayers. Since that time, my opinions have changed and I feel that some of these reports need to be highlighted.

Location/Date: Near Carthage, Missouri - March 7, 2004 - afternoon: The two witnesses had gone ATV riding in a area referred to as "The Underground" which is a public and private storage facility near the town. The facility is miles and miles of carved out caves and also stores thousands of dehydrated food containers for the Navy. It is also a fallout shelter and can hold up to 40,000 to 50,000 people. They had gone about 8 miles deep into the caves when they turned into an area that was marked, "Naval Authoritative Zone." The walls had become more polished or finished, which was striking because this was supposed to be a newly blasted area. Both witnesses just kept on going, increasing their speed since the floor was paved now.

They came upon an unusual painted pattern on the floor, which they thought it was graffiti. The road then dipped down and took a 90-degree turn to the left. They were going too fast and knew they were going to hit the wall but, instead, they passed through some kind of holographic projection of the cave wall. Now they had come upon a whole new road system, this one large and much older than the one they had come from.

They began to notice a musty and damp odor that intensified as they went deeper into the area. The lighting had changed as well. It was now much darker than the other area from which they had come. They turned on their headlights and slowed down also noticing that it was starting to get cooler. They made a right turn and started to come up on what they thought was a rest area about 40 ft away. One of the witnesses then saw something that at first he thought were a pair of fountains until the objects moved. They both stopped immediately. About 30 ft away they saw two creatures, one was very tall (at least 7 ft, maybe more) and very powerfully built and reddish in color. The other was smaller (about 6 ft tall) and was a pale, almost albino color. This one was not as powerfully built as the other. Both beings resembled large reptiles. The beings said nothing but the witnesses did get a strong malevolent feeling, an evil presence of some kind from the taller one. One of the witnesses screamed and they immediately turned and started back. As they looked back they noticed the taller entity was following them. One witness had an overwhelming feeling that if it caught them, harm would come to them. They passed through the wall projection again, looked back and saw the tall entity raise it's arm holding a weapon of some sort. It fired and hit one of the ATVs, which apparently killed the engine causing it to stop. The rider ran to the other ATV and jumped on it. They drove away and looked back to see that the tall reptilian had now stopped at the graffiti area on the cave floor. It seemed that the creature would not cross the strange marked area...some type of barrier for the creature.

The witnesses now slowed down and were about 75 ft away from the creature. The two men and the reptilian stared at each other for about 15 seconds and then they left. The creature remained standing without moving. One of the witnesses called the police on his cell phone but he was told that the security at the facility would handle the matter. Indeed security waited for the men and threatened to arrest them if they did not leave.

NOTE: Above was the initial report of the incident posted on the UFO.About.com forum. Below is the statement given by one of the witnesses, Pat Garrett, on his reptilian experience as reported to Mary Sutherland, BUFO Paranormal and UFO Radio...Lon

This past Sunday...the 7th. A friend and I were riding two ATVs in a place called, "The Underground" it is a public and private storage facility in Carthage, Mo. What makes this place such a desirable storage facility is that it is all underground...hence the name. They are constantly expanding this place and there are miles and miles of carved out caves in there...and it goes pretty deep. This facility stores thousands and thousands of food containers, all dehydrated for the Navy...I have seen them and it is public knowledge around here. It is also a fall out shelter able to hold some 40,000 to 50,000 people. I tell you this to give some sense of the vastness of the place. I worked there as a subcontractor some 9 years ago...I helped build the office spaces up on top. I started to explore then...about once a month and did so all the way until this past Sunday. However, I never went as far or as deep before either.

It was fun to take the ATVs and cruise underground...no rain or weather problems...ever. We were approx 8 miles in and I'd say maybe 500 feet deep when we took a turn down an area that was marked "Naval Authoritative Zone" I remember making a comment about the Navy getting a ship down there and said that was an easy posting. The walls became more defined, as in polished or finished and this was striking because this was supposed to be a newly blasted area...totally backward I would think...still thinking nothing was wrong we kept going, actually increasing speed because the floor was paved now and we could go faster. We came up on an unusual painted pattern on the floor and I thought, "cool graffiti...kids have been down here...we're safe...won't get into any trouble." The road dipped down and then it took a 90' turn to the left...we had no warning and we were going too fast. I knew we were going to hit the wall. BUT we DIDN'T...we passed through some kind of projection of the cave siding...although I don't know how it was done...it was real looking. We passed into a whole new road system...this one was large, and much older than where we came from. We started to smell an odor...musty,damp, growing stronger as we went deeper on smell. The lighting decreased as well probably 60% less than the other area's...we turned on our headlights. We continued on at about 5 to 7 miles an hour for about 5 min and we noticed it was getting cooler...which was to me, very strange...since once inside a cave a certain distance...the temp says the same. We made a right turn and started to come up on what I thought was a rest area on the side...about 40 feet away. I thought it looked like a pair of fountains until they moved. We both stopped immediately. We were approx. 30' feet away now and what we saw were two creatures, one was very tall at least 7' feet maybe more and very powerfully built...reddish in color and the other was smaller about 6' feet but it was not red in color but pale, like an albino and it was not as powerfully built as the other. They looked like REPTILES...living, walking, intelligent beings...not human...not warm blooded. Reptiles! I know it sounds crazy but it is true. They said nothing but I did get a strong sense from the big one. A malevolence, evil presence of some kind. My friend screamed and we turned around...a power turn. We started to go back out when my friend said, "the big one" was after us. I looked back and it was following us. I had the overwhelming feeling that if it caught us that harm would come to us. We passed through the wall projection and I looked back and saw the thing raise it's arm and it had a weapon of some sorts. It fired and hit the ATV my friend was on. The engine died and he stopped. I told him to jump on...and he did. I gunned it and then my friend said, "STOP!" I slowed down and he he said, "LOOK!". I looked back and the thing had stopped at the graffiti on the cave floor/road. The ATV was on it's side of the graffiti/symbol. It was obvious the thing would not cross the marking. I slowed more...we were now about 75' feet away. I stopped and the three of us...Me, my friend and the creature/reptile/man thing just looked at each other...for about 15 sec. And let me tell you...that is a long time. Then I started to leave...It stayed there waiting and not moving until we were out of sight. As soon as we cleared the cave I got on my cell phone and called the Sheriff's Dept. I was told that they would not come out and that "Underground Security" would handle it. Then they hung up! By law they are not to do that...We can hang up on anyone...but a government office, be it City or Federal can not hang up on you. Anyway, I was shocked and scared and we took off across the outside of the underground over to my truck and sure enough...Underground Security was waiting for us. We were told to leave, not to tell anybody about this...that if I come back...The Navy would press charges. I was also told that I had 10 min to leave or I would be taken in. What can I say...we left. It has been 3 days since this has happened and I am still shaken. I am a powerful person, 6'4" and 265 lbs and I have never in my life be afraid for my life...until this past Sunday. I lost my one of my two ATV's. Vin#5y4Ag0o1y61a071120. As far as I know...it is still down there. My friend will not talk about it and I have not heard anything from anyone about it. I did call the Sheriff's Dept. and they said they never got a call from me. Well, that is my story...I have never had anything strange happen in my life and I am very very concerned about this. I can tell you this...I had an urge to kill the things I saw down there...I don't know if that is a natural reaction as most people have a natural revulsion towards reptiles or because of my faith and the feeling of evil I had...or what. All I know is that they are real...and I wish I could do something...anything to combat or help against these things. Take care all and thank you again for letting me write this and share this experience.
Over the years, there are have several posts on 'Phantoms & Monsters' that garner the lion's share of pageviews. In particular, the Reptilian cave encounters seem to be the most popular group. So...I've decided to post these incidents together. Enjoy!

'The Underground' Reptilian Encounter - Carthage, Missouri

When the following story first broke, most people just blew it off. I'll admit, I was one of the naysayers. Since that time, my opinions have changed and I feel that some of these reports need to be highlighted.

Location/Date: Near Carthage, Missouri - March 7, 2004 - afternoon: The two witnesses had gone ATV riding in a area referred to as "The Underground" which is a public and private storage facility near the town. The facility is miles and miles of carved out caves and also stores thousands of dehydrated food containers for the Navy. It is also a fallout shelter and can hold up to 40,000 to 50,000 people. They had gone about 8 miles deep into the caves when they turned into an area that was marked, "Naval Authoritative Zone." The walls had become more polished or finished, which was striking because this was supposed to be a newly blasted area. Both witnesses just kept on going, increasing their speed since the floor was paved now.

They came upon an unusual painted pattern on the floor, which they thought it was graffiti. The road then dipped down and took a 90-degree turn to the left. They were going too fast and knew they were going to hit the wall but, instead, they passed through some kind of holographic projection of the cave wall. Now they had come upon a whole new road system, this one large and much older than the one they had come from.

They began to notice a musty and damp odor that intensified as they went deeper into the area. The lighting had changed as well. It was now much darker than the other area from which they had come. They turned on their headlights and slowed down also noticing that it was starting to get cooler. They made a right turn and started to come up on what they thought was a rest area about 40 ft away. One of the witnesses then saw something that at first he thought were a pair of fountains until the objects moved. They both stopped immediately. About 30 ft away they saw two creatures, one was very tall (at least 7 ft, maybe more) and very powerfully built and reddish in color. The other was smaller (about 6 ft tall) and was a pale, almost albino color. This one was not as powerfully built as the other. Both beings resembled large reptiles. The beings said nothing but the witnesses did get a strong malevolent feeling, an evil presence of some kind from the taller one. One of the witnesses screamed and they immediately turned and started back. As they looked back they noticed the taller entity was following them. One witness had an overwhelming feeling that if it caught them, harm would come to them. They passed through the wall projection again, looked back and saw the tall entity raise it's arm holding a weapon of some sort. It fired and hit one of the ATVs, which apparently killed the engine causing it to stop. The rider ran to the other ATV and jumped on it. They drove away and looked back to see that the tall reptilian had now stopped at the graffiti area on the cave floor. It seemed that the creature would not cross the strange marked area...some type of barrier for the creature.

The witnesses now slowed down and were about 75 ft away from the creature. The two men and the reptilian stared at each other for about 15 seconds and then they left. The creature remained standing without moving. One of the witnesses called the police on his cell phone but he was told that the security at the facility would handle the matter. Indeed security waited for the men and threatened to arrest them if they did not leave.

NOTE: Above was the initial report of the incident posted on the UFO.About.com forum. Below is the statement given by one of the witnesses, Pat Garrett, on his reptilian experience as reported to Mary Sutherland, BUFO Paranormal and UFO Radio...Lon

This past Sunday...the 7th. A friend and I were riding two ATVs in a place called, "The Underground" it is a public and private storage facility in Carthage, Mo. What makes this place such a desirable storage facility is that it is all underground...hence the name. They are constantly expanding this place and there are miles and miles of carved out caves in there...and it goes pretty deep. This facility stores thousands and thousands of food containers, all dehydrated for the Navy...I have seen them and it is public knowledge around here. It is also a fall out shelter able to hold some 40,000 to 50,000 people. I tell you this to give some sense of the vastness of the place. I worked there as a subcontractor some 9 years ago...I helped build the office spaces up on top. I started to explore then...about once a month and did so all the way until this past Sunday. However, I never went as far or as deep before either.

It was fun to take the ATVs and cruise underground...no rain or weather problems...ever. We were approx 8 miles in and I'd say maybe 500 feet deep when we took a turn down an area that was marked "Naval Authoritative Zone" I remember making a comment about the Navy getting a ship down there and said that was an easy posting. The walls became more defined, as in polished or finished and this was striking because this was supposed to be a newly blasted area...totally backward I would think...still thinking nothing was wrong we kept going, actually increasing speed because the floor was paved now and we could go faster. We came up on an unusual painted pattern on the floor and I thought, "cool graffiti...kids have been down here...we're safe...won't get into any trouble." The road dipped down and then it took a 90' turn to the left...we had no warning and we were going too fast. I knew we were going to hit the wall. BUT we DIDN'T...we passed through some kind of projection of the cave siding...although I don't know how it was done...it was real looking. We passed into a whole new road system...this one was large, and much older than where we came from. We started to smell an odor...musty,damp, growing stronger as we went deeper on smell. The lighting decreased as well probably 60% less than the other area's...we turned on our headlights. We continued on at about 5 to 7 miles an hour for about 5 min and we noticed it was getting cooler...which was to me, very strange...since once inside a cave a certain distance...the temp says the same. We made a right turn and started to come up on what I thought was a rest area on the side...about 40 feet away. I thought it looked like a pair of fountains until they moved. We both stopped immediately. We were approx. 30' feet away now and what we saw were two creatures, one was very tall at least 7' feet maybe more and very powerfully built...reddish in color and the other was smaller about 6' feet but it was not red in color but pale, like an albino and it was not as powerfully built as the other. They looked like REPTILES...living, walking, intelligent beings...not human...not warm blooded. Reptiles! I know it sounds crazy but it is true. They said nothing but I did get a strong sense from the big one. A malevolence, evil presence of some kind. My friend screamed and we turned around...a power turn. We started to go back out when my friend said, "the big one" was after us. I looked back and it was following us. I had the overwhelming feeling that if it caught us that harm would come to us. We passed through the wall projection and I looked back and saw the thing raise it's arm and it had a weapon of some sorts. It fired and hit the ATV my friend was on. The engine died and he stopped. I told him to jump on...and he did. I gunned it and then my friend said, "STOP!" I slowed down and he he said, "LOOK!". I looked back and the thing had stopped at the graffiti on the cave floor/road. The ATV was on it's side of the graffiti/symbol. It was obvious the thing would not cross the marking. I slowed more...we were now about 75' feet away. I stopped and the three of us...Me, my friend and the creature/reptile/man thing just looked at each other...for about 15 sec. And let me tell you...that is a long time. Then I started to leave...It stayed there waiting and not moving until we were out of sight. As soon as we cleared the cave I got on my cell phone and called the Sheriff's Dept. I was told that they would not come out and that "Underground Security" would handle it. Then they hung up! By law they are not to do that...We can hang up on anyone...but a government office, be it City or Federal can not hang up on you. Anyway, I was shocked and scared and we took off across the outside of the underground over to my truck and sure enough...Underground Security was waiting for us. We were told to leave, not to tell anybody about this...that if I come back...The Navy would press charges. I was also told that I had 10 min to leave or I would be taken in. What can I say...we left. It has been 3 days since this has happened and I am still shaken. I am a powerful person, 6'4" and 265 lbs and I have never in my life be afraid for my life...until this past Sunday. I lost my one of my two ATV's. Vin#5y4Ag0o1y61a071120. As far as I know...it is still down there. My friend will not talk about it and I have not heard anything from anyone about it. I did call the Sheriff's Dept. and they said they never got a call from me. Well, that is my story...I have never had anything strange happen in my life and I am very very concerned about this. I can tell you this...I had an urge to kill the things I saw down there...I don't know if that is a natural reaction as most people have a natural revulsion towards reptiles or because of my faith and the feeling of evil I had...or what. All I know is that they are real...and I wish I could do something...anything to combat or help against these things. Take care all and thank you again for letting me write this and share this experience.


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Missouri Caver Encounters Underground Reptilian Humanoid

I received an intriguing typed letter in the mail from Jerry (not the witness' real name) who now lives on the US west coast. No contact information was given. A bit of personal information was removed in order for me to post and also preserve the witness' anonymity:

Sir - this is the 1st time I am disclosing my experience to the public. My family has been previously informed of the details. At the time, I owned a small business which I had started after I finished a 12 year stint in the military. I was then living near Eldridge, Missouri and was raised in the general area and knew the terrain fairly well. I had spent time at the US Army Engineer School in Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri and some of the training included spelunking. When I left the Army I continued to explore caves as recreation.

In 1993 I helped form a local group of experienced 'cavers'. We would get together on weekends and explore some of the cavern systems throughout Missouri and Arkansas. The experience I am about to describe took place in the Summer of 1995. I was on my own that day, which was not uncommon.

I had decided to check out a cave in Camden County, Missouri which was part of a fairly large system in the area. From what I could tell, this particular cave had not been explored for a long period of time. The entrance was very narrow and well hidden. After squeezing through the opening I descended another 50 feet or so before the cave began to open up into a series of chambers. I moved through several of these chambers taking my time to examine the area for possible artifacts and formations. I finally reached, what I thought, was the end of the cave.

I started to hear a rustling sound that was echoing from a small opening near the top of the chamber. I assumed the sounds were bats and didn't pay much attention to it. But after awhile I heard motorized sounds and talking. I stood and listened for several minutes wondering what was on the other side of this chamber. The opening was about 10 feet above me. I maneuvered my way up to the opening which was flat and narrow but big enough for me to get a decent look into it.

As I positioned myself to the front of the opening I started to see light at the other end. The passageway was only a few feet long but it was just too narrow for me to move through. As I looked through the opening there was a very warm draft of air hitting my face. As well, the air had a very acrid vinegar-like odor. There was a very large and well lit 'room' with limestone walls. I noticed a small vehicle that looked like a golf cart but was very low to the ground and without wheels. I continued to observe until I started to hear voices that were getting louder and nearer. Something was making its way towards the vehicle. I had to rub my eyes because I didn't believe what I was looking at.

This 'creature', because it was not a man, stood about 7 foot and had brown scaly skin. The face and head were shaped like a human with a flat nose but there were no ears or hair. The top of the head had a slight scaly ray or ridge that extending down the back of the neck. From what I could see it had lips and regular sized eyes. The arms were very long and muscular with human-like hands. It also had a massive 4-5 foot tail that tampered to a point. It was dressed in a gold metallic outfit with long pants and shoes. It also carried an oval pack attached to its back.

I watched as this thing was looking at something on the vehicle. I had a high speed camera which I use to document my cave explorations. I was able to obtain a few distorted images of the being. For some reason while I was taking photos the creature stopped and turned, looking in my direction. I'm not sure if it heard me but it definitely knew of my presence. It then made a terrible 'hissing' sound as it continued to look in my direction. That was enough for me. I quickly started making a beeline out of the cave. When I reached the entrance I was shaking and hyperventilating. I finally reached my vehicle and drove home.

I continue to explore caves in the area. I have heard stories of people encountering strange underground beings but I have never disclosed my experience. A few years after my experience I went back to the cave but was unable to get near it since the area is now government property. I can assume that I witnessed something that I was not supposed to see. It pains me to think what secrets are being kept from us. To those who say that there are no non-humans living among us, well, think again. They are here. I do have the aforementioned evidence of the experience but I do not wish to release this at the present time. Jerry


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Reader Submission: Austrian Cave Encounter

The original email from the witness was forwarded to me during the Christmas holidays. With honest intent and in deference to Gregor (the witness) I have debated whether to present this anecdote to the readers for a variety of reasons. I have exchanged emails with the witness but there were some communication difficulties that needed to be ironed out since his English was a bit rusty according to him. Anyway, here is the final version of Gregor's encounter:

Hello Lon - I am writing to you from where I live in Gmunden, Austria. Recently I came across your story about the man who had an encounter with an alien type creature in a cave in the United States. The story is similar to my encounter in an obscure cave here in Upper Austria. This area is known for salt mining and Salzkammergut, the salt mines of the former Habsburg empire. I am a trained and certified geologist - I studied at the University of Salzburg and in the United States at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. I have explored and documented cave systems throughout Austria, Czech Republic and Poland since 1988.

In May 2011 I was in a narrow cave that a colleague had recently found. This was approximately 2 KM north of Obertraun on the opposite side of the descending mountain range in the foothills near the east bank of Halsatter See (lake). As I moved through the difficult passageway I started to hear voices emanating from the darkness ahead of me. I stopped to collect a few sample from the cave wall - chipping it with my pick. I moved deeper - maybe 50 meters - until I noticed the voices again. I am familiar with echos and Doppler effect sounds in caves but this was totally different. I stood quietly for several minutes until the voices stopped.

Again I moved through the cave - almost crawling at this point. After another 40 meters I ascended into a chamber that was big enough to accommodate several people. There were two wide openings on the opposite side of the chamber - each looked like it has been excavated by machine. There was also an obvious rotting odor. As I examined the chamber I noticed an odd red iridescence as I passed the light over the rock floor. When I knelt down to collect a sample I again heard voices coming from one of the passageways. At this point I was terrified and started to hurry back through the narrow cave. After I squeezed back several meters I was able to turn my head just enough to look back into the dark chamber.

A yellow light slowly made its way into the chamber from the left opening in the chamber - then there were several yellow lights following the first. As the lights moved through the opening into the chamber then back through the opening on the right I was able to see the beings. The sight sent fear throughout my body - I was actually paralyzed.


The creatures were humanoid in stature - but these were not human. Each varied in height but all looked the same - muscular lizards that walked upright like humans. There is not a better term I can use to identify these beings. These creatures wore dark colored full-body uniforms that extended and covered the feet. I couldn't tell the exact color of the skin but each had a pronounced muzzle. The long tails were very prominent and swiftly swayed back and forth as they moved forward. The arms and legs were massive - I could detect the musculature through the uniforms. There were voices also - as if they were talking to each other. The voices actually sounded human though I could not detect the language. There were possibly 20 or more of these creatures as they walked single file through the chamber and into the other opening.

When I conceived it was safe to move I quickly withdrew from the cave. I think I may have been in shock because I barely remember anything that happened from that point until I reached my office. I decided to keep a private journal regarding my encounter - but I have not discussed it with anyone else. My colleague who originally found the cave told me that he has explored the cave since my encounter but never mentions anything about the chamber, other passageways or bizarre beings.

At this point in time, I am starting to doubt that I witnessed these creatures. Is it possible that I hallucinated this encounter - or possibly experienced something from the past or the future? I am a trained professional who deals with reality - but my beliefs have been seriously shaken. I appreciate your introspect and thoughts - as well as observation by your readers. Thank you - Gregor


NOTE: The fact that Gregor wondered if his encounter was a scene from another time in the past or future, he may have answered his own question...Lon
Lizard Beings: Encounter & Engagement
During the past months I have collected anecdotes from readers who had personal experiences or were told of cryptids / anomalous encounters in Vietnam and other parts of Indochina. I received a particular narrative that was much different than the others that had been forwarded to me...so I decided to publish it separately. The post is a compilation of 3 emails, which included answers to a few of my questions. The man who provided this information was, at the time of the incident, a U.S. Army corporal...who has since retired from the military after a lengthy career. He did not give me specifics as to his unit and mission...but feels strongly that his experience should be told. He provided two identification references, which checked out. Overall, this man served a distinguished military career and his reputation is quite admirable from what I have seen. Some of the information has been edited at the request of the witness:

In 1970 I was serving as a corporal in the U.S. Army – deployed to South Vietnam in an region about 30 miles south of the DMZ. At the time I was second-in-command of a squad of soldiers. We had setup a bivouac in a jungle area that had a few steep hills. That evening my section was ordered to patrol one of the small valleys west of the encampment. We moved out led by our sergeant.

Not long after entering one of the small valleys we detected movement ahead of us. It seemed to be scattered activity, so we doubted it was VC but we weren’t positive. We hunkered down for about 15 minutes getting occasional glimpses of something moving within the trees and brush. There wasn’t enough light to detect what we were observing even though the moonlight was bright that night.

After awhile the activity halted, so we continued to move slowly through the valley. As we approached a sheer wall on the hill it looked like someone or something had stacked large stones and boulders in the pass in front of us. There was also an opening in the hill side that looked like a cave entrance – approximately 5 foot high and 3 foot wide narrowing at the top. When observing the passageway, it appeared to have been cut away by machinery – the edges were smooth with small even-spaced grooves.

We were puzzled by this because we had never seen enemy caves like this – just underground tunnels. The sergeant suggested that it may be a VC supply depot, so we started to assess how we were going to investigate the cave.

About this time, things got very strange.

We began to notice a putrid odor emanating from the cave entrance – the only thing I can compare it to was rotting eggs and human decay. It was so revolting that a few of the soldiers were becoming ill and started to back away into the jungle – including the sergeant. I was directing a light into the entrance in order to observe anything, but there was a haze that was impossible to see through. We had no idea what was before us.

The entire squad took a position in the heavy brush approximately 150 feet from the entrance – far enough not to be detected but close enough to observe the cave entrance. We quietly remained there for what seemed like forever. The jungle was strangely calm though we heard rumbling sounds coming from the distance. It was really eerie. The sergeant was sitting near me talking to himself - it was obvious that he was frightened. I was looking at the rest of the squad – each had wide eyes and scanning the area. No one was going to doze off during this patrol.

After several hours, dawn was approaching and it started to lighten up. I checked my watch – it was just before 0500 hours. Just then we noticed movement in front of the cave. A being (I first thought it was a man) moved through the entrance into the clearing in front of the cave. As it stood up from a crouch it stood at least 7 foot high and started to look in our direction. At that time, another similar-looking creature was moving out of the cave. They were making hellish ‘hissing’ sounds and looking directly at us.

The only way I can describe these beings is that they looked like upright lizards. The scaly, shiny skin was very dark – almost black. Snake-like faces with forward set eyes that were very large. They had arms and legs like a human but with scaly skin. I didn’t notice a tail – though they wore long one-piece dark green robes along with a dark cap-like covering on their heads. I never noticed if they had anything on their feet.

No one gave the order – it seemed like the entire squad opened fire at once. Every piece of vegetation between us and them was quickly sheared away. I yelled out a cease-fire order – at the same time I was looking in the direction of the cave. There was nothing there. We immediately checked our flank in case these things circled around us – but there was nothing.

As we approached the cave, ready to resume action if needed, it became apparent that the beings had escaped – most likely back into the cave. It was soon decided to set charges and close the cave entrance.

When we returned to camp we all seemed to be in a daze. There was little discussion of the incident and we were never debriefed – so I know the sergeant never filed a report. Then again, if he did, it was kept quiet by the brass.


NOTE: Well...I told you. None of the anecdotes or narratives I received match this one. But then again, I never know what will turn up in my mailbox. I look forward to receiving your well-written sighting and incident reports. Thanks...Lon
Strange Tales From Vietnam & Indochina
A few months ago I asked readers to forward real-life experiences of paranormal and anomalous activity that occurred in Vietnam & Indochina during the war and beyond. In the past I have reported on the Rock Ape phenomena and a very unusual Reptilian encounter by a US Army squad. I received several personal accounts, observations and suggestions. Albert Rosales was kind enough to forward several interesting reports as well. I hope you enjoy the post:

THAI EXORCISM

When I was serving in Thailand during the Vietnam War I was stationed in a little town on the Thai-Laos-Cambodian border. I was living with my soon to be wife in a bungalow in town when our neighbor, a Laotian girl, became possessed by an evil spirit, or so I was told. She was so bad they had to call in special monks in white robes to pray over her.

My girlfriend/wife wanted to go over there and see the exorcism but before she went over she told me “don’t come over there for any reason.”

Instead, since I was on a day off I sat on my porch drinking whisky and getting drunk as I used to do in those days, as there wasn’t much else to do. Later, a friend of her’s came by and asked for her and forgetting what I was told, I went over to the house where the exorcism was going on. As I went up the steps to the upper floor bungalow I walked up to the screen door and looked in and heard the girl, who was standing naked on her bed screaming, stop screaming and point to something just inside the door! She said, “There it is!” In perfect English! I was standing there with my face to the screen door and suddenly I felt as if my face was stuck in a freezer and something was standing there looking at me! The hackles rose on my neck and arms and my wife who was sitting just inside the screen door screamed, “run”! To this day I know something had left the possessed girl to come take a look at me and I was stone cold sober when I got back across the street. This happened in Korat, Thailand in 1969. I had a lot of strange things happen to me in the three years I was in Thailand!

I believe I have lived many lives because I also reported for duty in Thailand in 1968 and instead of experiencing culture shock like the rest of my outfit I felt right at home and content. I also learned to speak Thai in about 10 months! Name withheld

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B-52 ENCOUNTER

Location. Over South Vietnam (exact location not provided)
Date: 1966 Time: night

The crew of a B-52 during a nighttime mission over South Vietnam encountered a craft that measured approximately ¼ mile in diameter, and was estimated by the crew to be 700 feet high, with 23 levels located in the upper dome. The crew made reference to seeing “windows” on each “floor”, and identified the outline of possible “beings or humanoids”. The craft departed at an extremely high rate of speed and opened up a local space/time “hole/window” exposing blue sky and clouds.

Source: www.openminds.com

Rosales Comments: Did this object create a rift through time and space in order to leave the air space over Vietnam?

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AMPHIBIAN CREATURES

Location. Can Tho,Vietnam
Date: June 18, 1978
Time: Night

The witness, Dai Nguyen, a child at the time, remembered being warned by his grandmother not to go near the river because a strange “living creature” had been seen there by others in the neighborhood, there was even a report of a child having been abducted by the creature. Mostly the witness ignored such warnings and one night while sitting on a coconut tree looking at the river he saw a very bright star-like object shoot out of the river and into the sky. The night of the full moon the witness had asked his grandmother to accompany him to the river in order to use the restroom facilities.

As they approached the river both witnesses spotted two strange creatures sitting on a coconut tree by the river. The beings appeared to be talking to each other and pointing at the stars. The witnesses stood only about 10 feet behind the creatures which had not noticed them yet. His grandmother was terrified and attempted to scream but nothing came out. She grabbed the witness’s hand really tight and was shaking. However the young man felt no fear since he knew somehow that the creatures were not ghosts as he could see their shadows under the moonlight. The creatures appeared not to be wearing any clothing as they sat on the coconut tree with their legs hanging down. They had an air of friendliness and relaxation. The young witness noticed that their skin was very white and slippery looking like that of a fish. They had large hairless heads, their body was totally hairless. Their eyes were large and dark but shiny, their mouths and noses were small, and the witness noticed that their fingers and toes were long. The witness thought that the creatures were much taller than his grandmother. Suddenly his grandmother uttered a very loud scream causing both creatures to turn and look at them. Immediately after that both creatures stood up on the coconut tree and dived into the river,“exactly like professional Olympic divers”. The witness did not see a large splash on the water, and did not see the creatures come up for air. Other family members had by now arrived wondering what had happened.

Source: MUFON CMS

Rosales Comments: Rare humanoid report from Vietnam...especially amphibian

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THE WITCH

A friend of mine who was in Vietnam, told me this story years ago. His name was Mike. His platoon was on recon, I believe, when they came on a hut believed to be a Vietcong outpost. The men burned the hut down. The old women who lived in the hut told them that she had cursed them and told them that if they didn't rebuild the hut that for everyday that went by, one of the men in the platoon would die and it wouldn't be combat related. Well after 5 days and 5 men died from unexplained forces, the men in the platoon went back and rebuilt the hut and the deaths stopped. Mike told me that a person in the next village told them that the woman was a witch. After that everybody in the platoon believed that she was a witch.

Andy

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BRIGHT YELLOW GIANTS

Location.Vietnam, just north of the DMZ
Date: December 17 1974
Time: 01:30 a.m.

A group of heavily armed soldiers had gone out in a search and destroy mission and had gone along a river bank by a heavily wooded area and had reached a clearing. When they began spreading out, their leader sensed something peculiar about the area. There was a strange eerie silence all around with the normal animals sounds totally absent. A scout went ahead and reported finding no tracks of any kind around. The silence continued. Strange fecal deposits were located then sounds from the nearby brush were heard, several huge figures then came into view just ahead of the soldiers. The figures were almost eight-foot tall and bright yellow in color, as they came closer, large three digit hands with what appeared to be long claws could bee seen on the creatures. They had large eyes,nose slits and flat faces. The figures passed near the men apparently without noticing them. The men then decide to turn back, as they walked into the bushes they began hearing loud crashing noises and realized that the creatures were running behind them. The men all ran towards the river where their boat was located with the creatures in hot pursuit. Several times the men fired their high caliber weapons at the creatures without any apparent effect. At one point one of the men fired several armor piercing rounds at one of the creature’s chest area, this also without any apparent effect. The men finally reached their boat and left the area, before leaving they saw a strong powerful glow on the riverbank as if dozens of the creatures had gathered to watch them leave.

Source: Natural or Supernatural?: A Casebook of True, Unexplained Mysteries

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PRAYERS ANSWERED

Location. Saigon, (Present day HoChi Minh City) Vietnam
Date: September 1974
Time: 03:15 a.m.

Jack Woosley was “broke”, jobless, and married to a Vietnamese girl who was pregnant. He didn’t know what he was going to do but he had read that praying was “like asking the question” and meditating “was like waiting for the answer”. So every night he would wake up and ask for help from the “Master”, indicating that he really wanted to be of help to others as well, that were far less fortunate than him. Then one night while he meditated, a being of some sort appeared before him. It was a beautiful female dressed in a long white and satin blue flowing church-like gown and she only said one thing to him (mentally, he thinks) and that was, “Are you sure that is what you want to do” and then disappeared. Woosley reported that in the course of the next few days his financial troubles evaporated. He was able to buy an airplane ticket to Los Angeles and on December 24 1974 his wife and newborn son arrived in the USA to be with him.

Source: www.ufoevidence.org

Rosales Comments: Quasi-religiousapparition?

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GLOWING BAT WOMAN

Location. Near Danang, Vietnam
Date: Summer 1969
Time: 01:00 a.m.

A soldier on guard duty in Vietnam saw an illuminous figure approaching slowly in the sky. When it got close, the figure was seen to be a naked woman with bat wings, her skin and the wings completely black, but glowing. The body was covered with the glow. This apparition passed only 6-7 feet above the witness' head and flew away, having been visible from 3-4 minutes. The witness PFC Earl Morrison is the step-nephew of the investigator.

Source: Don Worley, FSR Case Histories #10

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LAOS UFO ENCOUNTER

In response to an earlier email requesting UFO information during the Vietnam conflict, I'm placing my father's experience during this time at the end of this email. My Dad was stationed in Thailand but flying missions in and out of Vietnam during the conflict. On one occasion he was flying a mission over Laos when he encountered the UFO. The following is as he told it to me. He also did a drawing of the craft which I have with my other photos regarding this anomaly. The phenomenon seems to run in our family covering at least three generations so far:

There was an incident in 1967 involving my father. He was a full Colonel at the time and a veteran pilot of WWII as well as the Asian military conflict. He was flying a mission over Laos when he was approached by a UFO. He said he was flying a C130 at 25,000 feet in a 70 mile orbit, (fly 70 miles, make a turn, and fly back, staying parallel to the equator), when the object approached. He said he normally sat on the left but, on this occasion, and he didn’t know why, he was on the right. The co-pilot on the left is the one who first noticed it and said, "Hey, Ed. What’s that?" At this point my father looked in the direction the co-pilot was pointing.

His description of the incident is that it was metal colored, shaped like the hull or prow of a boat, and that it was flat on top as if it had been chopped off. There were no windows so they couldn’t see who or what was piloting it. There were no visible lights but that wouldn’t have been apparent anyway as it was a perfectly clear day. It came directly at his plane and "scared the hell out of" him. Duration was only a few seconds as they were traveling at a speed of about 350 mph and the craft was traveling at an unknown speed. He also stated it passed within a few feet below his aircraft but no mention was made of whether or not there was any turbulence and I didn’t think to ask at the time.

I did ask if he was debriefed and what took place on the ground since it had been seen on radar. He said the co-pilot suddenly changed his mind and said he saw nothing. (At the end of this is the drawing made by my father of how the UFO as it appeared to him. The arrow indicates direction.) People in the military are afraid to report such things as it would go into their Ers, (Efficiency Ratings), and would affect their ability to get promotions.

Sincerely,

Vivian Walker
State Director/Senior Investigator, E.P.I.C. Louisiana

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BLACK SPHERE

Location. Near Cao Bang, North Vietnam (at the time)
Date: August 12-13 1968 Time: night

A group of Soviet engineers working in this isolated region in the hope of building a hydroelectric power plant suddenly heard a rumble of engines overhead and thinking that it was American B-52 bombers they all ran out of their tents but were surprised to see a black angular diamond shaped object approximately twice the size of the moon and which emitted a greenish-blue light. Moments later a fiery comet shaped object emerging somewhere on the earth struck the diamond shaped object, immediately their was a bright flash which blinded everyone, and then a powerful shock wave knocked the Russian hydrologists down and tore their tents apart, sweeping away their equipment, fortunately no one was seriously hurt, but the explosion produced deep concern amongst those present. They even thought that a small nuclear device had exploded. During several hours neither the radio or other communications equipment worked, producing only severe static. Only in the morning it was possible to contact their central base and report the incident. The scientists promised a full report of the events and visited the closest village where strangely there was no sign of destruction or explosion, the inhabitants only thought that they had heard a very “loud thunderstorm”. After about 2 days the scientists found at about 1km from their base camp a black half sphere shaped object about 3 meters in diameter. The surface of the sphere was completely black; it seemed that light did not reflect from its surface. Moreover the sphere did not cast a shadow; the rays of the low evening sun seemed to go around the strange object, falling on the high grass around it. By touch the sphere seemed cool and a bit slippery, as if doused with soapy water. One of the men attempted to scratch the surface of the sphere with a sharp knife to no avail. They then notified their central base about their enigmatic finding. Soon after the group received instructions from their main base, to set up a protective perimeter around the object and guard it until a “special group” arrived at the site. They were strictly warned not to approach within 20meters of the sphere, thus the entire group of five men camped at exactly 20 meters from the sphere. They had no idea what the sphere could be and guessed it was some kind of new weaponry either of Soviet or American origin. After building a small bonfire the men began to rest. The men stared at the bizarre object with bizarre fascination and fear.

One of the specialists, Boris Ivanov wrote in his dairy that the men rested uneasy staring at the object in the light of their bonfire with their carbines ready just in case of any problems, waiting for the Special Forces group to eventually show up and take control of the situation. Soon one of the men, Viacheslav G, rose and went into the brushwood; the rest barely noticed and thought that it must be a prosaic reason for his outing. When in five minutes he did not return, the men began to nervously call out his name, but he did not return. Searching the area with flashlights in the direction of the sphere the men could not find Viacheslav. Concerned and afraid the rest of the men decided not to look any further and returned to the bonfire. After about an hour another man, Peter K, silently rose and also went into the brushwood exactly in the same direction that Viacheslav had taken. He seemed to move uncomfortably, rocking back and forth, apparently very drowsy. A kind of anxiety suddenly enveloped the rest of the men and they remained sitting by the bonfire, unable to intervene. Peter K never returned. This time the remaining men did not search for Peter, but simply sat and waited. A feeling of predestination filled the men. After two more hours to the sphere went Vladimir M., it was obvious that he could not resist whatever force beckoned him, he also never came back. Now only two men remained, Boris and Sergey T. both torpid with fear and refusing to move from their position. But suddenly Sergey’s face became distorted; he arose like a weak-willed marionette and meandered away into the dark, in the direction of the strange sphere. Moments later Boris found himself able to move again, terrified he grabbed his carbine and shot himself on the leg in an attempt to disable himself so he wouldn’t walk away to an uncertain faith. As a result of the pain, he passed out. This action possibly saved Boris. He woke up in the morning when the specialists arrived. They found him half-conscious by the now extinguished bonfire, having lost a lot of blood but still alive, by this time the sphere had disappeared along with his comrades. He was soon evacuated from the area, but not before Boris convinced himself that he and his friends had encounter some type of extraterrestrial probe which had somehow taken his friends with it to places unknown.

Source: Solomon Naffert, “Black sphere in the jungles of Vietnam” NLO May 17, 2004

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DISINTEGRATE

Location. DMZ, Vietnam
Date: summer 1968
Time: 02:00 a.m.

The main witness was in the “North Country” with a Ranger Recon Unit. Across from them was an NVA unit on the other hill. Late at night they all saw a fluorescent blue object come towards them and then stop completely about ¼ mile from them. It then moved closer, suddenly across from them the NVA opened up with 12.7MM machine guns and light weapons. They saw the tracers heading for the strange object and it seemed to take a lot of hits, but nothing appeared to happen to it. Then a bright light emitted from the object and suddenly the machine guns and small arms fire stopped immediately. The next morning the witness’s team went over to the NVA location. An incredible sight greeted them. The 12.7MM machine guns were melted like butter and there was no one around, all they could find were several black patches of “ashes”. One of the team members took several photographs. At base camp he wrote a report and had the photos included with the report. That same day he never returned to the unit and when asked about him they were told that he had been transferred to another unit. When asked about the report and photos the men were told that there was no such report or pictures. Each individual member of the team was then interviewed by high ranking military personnel and threatened with prison if they talked about the incident.

Source: www.alien-ufos.com

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GREY-HUMAN HYBRIDS

Location. Jungle area near North Vietnam border
Date: October 12 1967 Time: 01:45 a.m.

The main witness was at the time a team leader on a LRRP unit (Long Range Recon Patrol) which consisted of a team of 6 men. He was out with his team in the IV Corps in a jungle area and after humping through the boonies all day had set up an NDP (Night Defensive Perimeter). The men took turns sleeping and keeping watch. At about 0145A, the witness heard movement ahead. Another man (Levin) heard it also, they woke up the other 4 men and they all readied themselves for the upcoming contact. Suddenly they saw what appeared to be an “alien”. The witness described it as resembling the modern grey-human hybrid with a long face and large black eyes. It gave off an eerie glow. One of the men named Boltach raised his weapon and fired. He hit the being in the head with a short controlled burst. A brilliant blue syrupy fluid splattered the trees behind the alien. Just then they saw a dull light in the sky. Back then they had a device called a “Starlight Scope”, which only special operations teams had. It was a lot like night vision. The main witness focused it on the light in the sky and at that moment two more lights appeared. They formed the shape of a perfect triangle. The light at the top circled the two below in a figure 8 and zipped off. The remaining two seemed to collide and both zip off in the same direction as the first. That night two other LRRP teams in their AO (area of operations) reported in the same activities. The men called their headquarters and were informed that there was radio trouble and would be offline for the rest of the night. The linked up with the other 2 teams for security reasons and shared their encounter with them. 4 of the other men with the main witness that night were later killed in various engagements in the war. Only himself and Levin are still around.

Source: NUFORC

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DIVINE INTERVENTION

Location. DMZ, Vietnam
Date: late 1966
Time: afternoon

At a landing zone called “Oasis” the witness was working as a door gunner. On that date he was pulling perimeter guard duty. As they came under attack, a C-130 gun ship called “Puff the Magic Dragon” flew just outside their position and was working out their guns. It looked like fire coming from a hose in the dark. The next morning the other gunners and the witness decided to rearrange out-linked ammo to have all the tracers together to give the same effect as the night before. That afternoon they went out on a reckon mission. As they approached the landing zone they opened up with their machine guns. The LZ (landing zone) was large and mostly clear waist high dried grass. As they landed they received enemy fire. Small fires started all over from their tracer rounds. He heard on the intercom that a helicopter behind them was down with main rotor problems and fires had them enveloped, his captain ordered him to go back with a “fire bottle” and see if he could help. The witness grabbed the bottle but did not think to take his rifle. As he ran to their position the crew chief waved him back. It seems like the rotor was fine and they were about to take off. As he ran back he became disoriented, and became lost. As he ran around looking he heard someone shout “Dung Li” which means stop or halt in Vietnamese. He looked around and saw a North Vietnamese soldier pointing his AK at him. Feeling helpless, since he was completely unarmed he dropped to his knees, hands up. At the same time the soldier spoke to him things that he could not understand. As the soldier backed up, the witness knew he was going to die. From fear he then felt overwhelming sadness.

As his whole life past in front of his eyes, he just hoped that it did not hurt so much. Suddenly a total peace came over him, a feeling he could not describe. He then heard a loud crack. He jumped up thinking that he had been shot. He heard a thump and saw the enemy soldier fall to the ground. As he looked up, he saw the tallest person he had ever seen. He saw what appeared to be a GI about 7 or 8 ft tall. He just stood there motionless, perfect in dress, incredibly with no soil marks or sweat, a perfect looking figure. His eyes shaded by the helmet showed through; an aura appeared to be all around him. He then spoke to the witness clearly. He told him that it was Ok that he was going to be safe. He added: “Thomas, go back to your bird.” The witness realized that the stranger’s lips never moved, apparently he had communicated with him telepathically. Thomas jumped up and ran to his “bird” (helicopter). As they lifted up, he looked down to see the dead enemy soldier, but no sign of the giant figure. He never mentioned what really happened to anyone for over 30 years.

Source: UFOs about.com, Paranormal stores archive

High Strangeness Index: 8
Reliability of Source: 7

Rosales Comments: Do we have here some kind of divine intervention? The height of the stranger is significant. Was the witness somehow not meant to die on that fateful day?

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NEW FRIEND

I am not the teller of this tale. I have no first hand knowledge of it. It was told to me by a Vietnam veteran who once worked in a hospital of the U.S. Indian Health Service. He no longer works there, and I don't know where he is. He and I are of the same American Indian Tribe. We were not close in any sense, but I knew him as very dependable and a nice guy. He served in the highlands of that horrid war in which so many I knew (one is too many) died.

Anyway, he and his platoon were bivouaced, nose-to-nose with Viet Cong fighters or NVA soldiers. One night, during a lull in the fighting, a guy literally rolled into his shelter. Scared my friend, thought at first the new guy was enemy. The guy asked for water, stayed awhile, and they talked. Then the enemy began a mortar attack. My friend, as do most everyone I knew who served there, said that a mortar attack will turned you into a frightened little kid. He said
he and the new guy grabbed each other and waited for the fire to lift.

Either during and shortly after the attack, my friend was told to see the Old Man. The new guy went with him. They walked to the Old Man's dugout, and my friend was ordered to run a message to the company command post. My friend figured he was a dead man. Lone runners often didn't last too long on the jungle trails of Vietnam. But the new guy said he'd go with him. He made their way carefully back along the trail, didn't inadvertently find any trip wires or find any ambushes. He delivered the message, then he and the new guy decided to grab some chow before making their way back to the platoon. They got rations, grabbed water for their canteens and left for the platoon area.

Somewhere along the trail, he and the new guy became separated. My friend never saw his new friend again. And when he arrived back, he got the usual backwash from other guys in the platoon about his vacation, his desertion, his cowardice in the face of enemy fired and so forth. He asked around to see if anyone had seen his new friend, who maybe had come back alone. No one, including the guys who were in dugouts around his, guys around the Old Man--no one--had seen anyone with my friend the previous night.

My friend has thought over the years about the new guy, hoped he was all right, and that he came home, is now
fat, happy and has the life he wants. But he's still not sure about the new friend he made, whom he touched, carried on lengthy conversations with, touched, and ate with, ever existed.

Jim Porter

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WAR AND SHADOWS

Just stumbled upon your entry about Vietnam. Reminds me of a book I read which you possibly don’t know since you don’t mention it: War and Shadows: The Haunting of Vietnam

The author conducted research into hauntings and strange, tortured and aggressive manifestations of spirits of people who died in the Vietnam war. She talked with many people from all walks of life, about really strange things that are happening in their lives, traditional people as well as very modern and young ones who were not yet born when the war was happening.

What intrigues me most is that these ‘vengeful ghosts’ are not coming to haunt Americans – at least not in the way described in the book, but torture their own family. Which makes me wonder if the way spirits manifest is connected to the way they are treated in a culture. The Vietnamese have, like many Asian peoples, a strong religious connection to their ancestors and the dead are treated with lots of ritual care and respect, in case they are not satisfied and come back to haunt you. All these war victims had to do without, and their death was often horrible.

But so are the deaths of all war victims, in every culture. But the dead from, say, WWII never behaved like the hungry ghosts in Vietnam, who inflict physical harm on their relatives. Is their afterlife world different from ours
 

Corvus

Jedi Council Member
There are and MIB s stories, like these one that sums first quote in the first post:

This account was offered by researcher Albert Rosales:

Sao Paulo, Brazil - February 1980 - night

The witness who for the past two to three months had been followed by three strange men wearing black suits, was standing in front of his house one night when a car drove up and the door opened. The witness apparently lost his will and was compelled to enter the vehicle; inside the same three men he had been trying to hide from met him.

They drove around for a while until they reached a wooded area outside the city. They stopped the car near a large hovering object that was encircled by a luminous ring. The witness and the three men then walked underneath the object and were hit by a beam of light. He suddenly found himself inside the object, sitting on a chair. Suddenly handles appeared on the chair that secured his wrists and an iron bar pressed his forehead backwards while another gadget held his neck. The three men then appeared and suddenly seemed to shed their skin or bodies and transformed themselves into green scaly reptilian like creatures with heart shaped heads. The beings interrogated the witness and spoke of upcoming global events. At one point a door in the room was opened and he was able to see human corpses hanging by their feet from hooks on the walls. Everything went blank after that and his next conscious memory was of standing next to a theater near his home.

Source: Antonio Huneeus, UFO Universe
There are and other stories about High Strangeness worth checking.
 

MusicMan

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Today I had an encounter with a reptilian.
I was working at my mate's farm, cleaning up farm stuff, and turned over a piece of angular steel. There underneath it was coiled up a young snake. I'm guessing it was a brown snake. These can be aggressive and are very poisonous, but I just looked at it, and it must have decided that I didn't mean it any harm so it slithered away, and I carried on cleaning up.

I've been going out there for about six years now, and it's the first one I've seen.
A bit scary when you think these things grow quite large, and it's mother mustn't have been that far away! Either way, it's the only kind of reptilian encounter I want to have.
 

Corvus

Jedi Council Member
I found this series called Monsters and Mysteries in America. There are many interesting cases of encounters described from men in black with Nick Redfern to bigfoots, John Keel files, with real witnesses describing their cases, to me were interesting especially those hunter stories about encountering bigfoots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZaVM_il6-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiY-sIHs0cA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4olh5JmKVN4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVRnYBR2sm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLJKM8ZaeSY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEcKfqOwzPw
 

c.a.

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
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