Russell Brand: From Actor and Entertainer to... Truth-teller and Enemy of the State?

[realitybugll]

I think Brand is sincere, but disconnected from reality. I think he entertains the notion of revolution because he believes people to be poorer than they actually are. I heard that he lived as a drug addict and homeless for many years; it could be in my opinion this unfortunate and rare state of existence which provides the fuel for his delusion.

I would think a marxist revolution represents a threat to the elite if it were at all a possibility. the Cuban revolution for example was an obvious shake-up to the status quo. almost the entire previous administration was executed without trial, and land-owners had their land and wealth confiscated.

The problem for Brand, is that communist revolutions have primarily manifested in the last century in Asian and African nations - under conditions of staggering poverty, the likes which is unknown to Western Civilization. The poorest quintile (60 million Americans) spend on average only 25% of their income on food. compound this with the fact that a majority in this quintile receive an additional $2000-$3000 annual income from the SNAP program. this is enough reason for me to believe there will be no steam behind any such movement in America.

 

[Niall]

I just saw this video today as well.
Brand is an interesting character & seemingly really genuine in his search to understand the world we're living in.

Although I think he is/or will be co-opted, I saw him being interviewed by Alex Jones and he is also a spoke person for the David Lynch foundation (_http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/) where they teach transcendental meditation which is supported by very famous persons.

I don't think it's so bad but it would be great if he would learn about psychopathy.

I don't think psychopathy is on his radar, but you never know, he could be on a fast learning track... or he could be on a different kind of track altogether. Brand was apparently a vegetarian since the age of 14, then became a vegan in 2011. That right there would throw most people's bodily systems for a loop, but instead he seems to have thrived under the more extreme form of this diet.

Here he is speaking about his introduction to TM a couple of years back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTG4UcxR_8M

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Brand urged people to vote for Obama:


MTV VMA 08: Russell Brand Pleads for Barack Obama Vote
http://politicsisstupid.com/link/124397

MTV VMA 08: Russell Brand Pleads for Barack Obama Vote
http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/jeffwagner/45157182.html

 

[RflctnOfU]

Is it possible for someone to gift him a copy of Ponerology?? or perhaps some of the other literature on the subject???

Kris

 

[Niall]

Well he has active facebook and twitter accounts. Maybe a couple of us could drop links to Ponerology there?

I dunno. I think he's 'a man on a mission'. For better or for worse, we shall see. Brand's mind is clearly made up, he's on a roll, he's open to meeting new people and new ideas. He's currently on a world tour in which he uses the 'messiah complex' as a comedic vehicle for stirring people out of their slumber. He's getting media attention for inciting revolution, but what I took from his interview with the British journalist (and stuff he's been saying elsewhere) is that he sees that 'a revolution' (or a series of overlapping revolutions, or a global revolution in consciousness... for now we sort of have to fill in the blanks as to how he understands/perceives revolution) is already underway. People who mightn't otherwise have thought about the bigger picture can breathe a sigh of relief and join him in saying, "Enough already!"

Yeh, yeh, we're all "just armchair revolutionaries", but a revolution of the mind starts in each of us with that moment from Network where Howard Beale rants, "I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value! I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

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Of course it's not that simple, but just coming to that point, expressing it, even if only to the wall in your bathroom or via a Facebook update, helps the idea that another world is possible to take seat. This idea is a seed with enormously powerful potential. If it's nurtured, we begin to see more and more through the false limitations we have been induced to self-impose on our creative capabilities and soon enough we find ourselves in a new reality.

Brand advocates meditation, seeks out and gives attention to numerous charitable organizations wherever he goes, and isn't afraid to speak his mind. And he can be very funny in the process! That's gotta count for something in a world where the masses are so heavily infused with really horrible psychopathic values?

 

[Carl]

Well he has active facebook and twitter accounts. Maybe a couple of us could drop links to Ponerology there?
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Of course it's not that simple, but just coming to that point, expressing it, even if only to the wall in your bathroom or via a Facebook update, helps the idea that another world is possible to take seat. This idea is a seed with enormously powerful potential. If it's nurtured, we begin to see more and more through the false limitations we have been induced to self-impose on our creative capabilities and soon enough we find ourselves in a new reality.

Brand advocates meditation, seeks out and gives attention to numerous charitable organizations wherever he goes, and isn't afraid to speak his mind. And he can be very funny in the process! That's gotta count for something in a world where the masses are so heavily infused with really horrible psychopathic values?

I think that's a good idea, even if he doesn't read it, people just checking out his facebook page because of his latest TV appearances may see it.

You're also totally right in the last part. I guess it's easy to become a perfectionist over not endorsing anybody who gives out misinformation, even with good intentions, and being overly suspicious about anybody who does not have the 'big picture'. The fact is that, even if he is a dupe for the PTB, the signal he is putting out is one step closer to the reality that we want to move into, and a few steps away from the dark, psychopathic signal transmitted by many.

I say good luck to the guy. He's got the charisma, the platform, and the intelligence - and maybe the heart - to transmit some positive ideas to a lot of people, so let's hope he uses it well.

 

[Niall]

Here's Brand's New Statesman article, which gives more background to his statements on TV:

Russell Brand on revolution: “We no longer have the luxury of tradition”

It's pretty good, a bit wordy, sometimes vulgar, but on point about many things.

Here's an interview he did with Daniel Pinchbeck for the New Age production, 'Gaiam TV': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rzslKd3IA#t=231

Don't bother with the second half of it. Note his response to Pinchbeck's final question (at around 4 minutes):

Pinchbeck: "How do we make the jump [step up in consciousness] in practical terms?"

Brand: "Some people like you [Pinchbeck!] just to go off to the jungle to eat a bunch of plants; people like me have to think."

That's the same Pinchbeck Bernhard Guenther wrote about here: http://www.sott.net/article/248735-2012-Collective-Awakening-or-End-of-the-World

 

[dugdeep]

Here's Brand's New Statesman article, which gives more background to his statements on TV:

Russell Brand on revolution: “We no longer have the luxury of tradition”

It's pretty good, a bit wordy, sometimes vulgar, but on point about many things.

I think his New Statesman article is a great piece, actually (up on SOTT here). The fact that large numbers of people are responding to this actually gives me hope.

 

[Beau]

Well he has active facebook and twitter accounts. Maybe a couple of us could drop links to Ponerology there?

I sent him the link to PP through his Twitter. I'll probably wait a day or two and send it to him through FB. If he could get educated about a few subjects he's so far not touched on, like psychopathy and maybe 9-11, then I think he might be able to do something in terms of waking up the sleeping masses. But that's not something I'm going to hold my breath for. I'm just not sure if we're at the point where much can be done anymore regarding revolutions and mass awakenings, but I'd love to be proven wrong there.

 

[Turgon]

Interesting fellow, to say the least. My initial reaction to what he's saying is supportive because he is bringing up important topics like how materialistic and greedy the current mainstream culture is as well as the ecological destruction that comes as a price for the self interest of the PTB. These topics need to be covered more in the mainstream and I'm glad to see he's doing that.

However, I do see his tendency towards the 'we are all one' and everyone is a human being ideology. Which if there wasn't a psychopathic elite in power that is clearly distinct from the rest of humanity, would be something we could all ascribe to. But ignorance to this fact is a big red flag because it is one of those topic of topics that, if he was talking about it in the media, I think he would get shut down pretty quickly.

Psychopaths and pathological types are able to hide in this guise of 'we are one' because it masks their machinations pretty well under self-interests and greed, which is a symptom that most human beings can fall under pretty easily if they aren't mindful of their motivations. But their self-interest and greed is much worse and more to the 'core' of their being rather then a by-product of what this spiritually deprived culture holds value towards, which psychopaths have pretty much instilled as a projection of their own internal landscape.

When I was at the Occupy movement I saw this as the biggest issue and why mass revolution, even in that microcosm, ultimately failed. This inclusionary methodology at the expense of taking into account intra-species predation and pathology leaves revolution or any shift in cultural values and focus open to the machinations of psychopathy all over again and the whole 'here comes the new boss, same as the old one' theme.

So it would definitely be interesting if Russell Brand read Political Ponerology and The Vegetarian Myth and incorporate those understandings into his activism. If he's open to what each has to say, which might slaughter a few of his sacred cows, then that would be really cool! Although I wonder if because he doesn't touch on either is the reason he has been given so much air-time in media outlets.

 

[Menna]

I like this recent interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDg9Fp3qVkA

He uses the word Paradigm correctly.

He is a hilarious actor and very good at his work.


He was a heavy drug addict I believe heroin was his drug of choice. Overcame depth and is now a millionaire that wants to make the world "more fair"

I think his sense of humor is unique and I enjoy his work.

"Now your being facetious." - Paxman

"Facetiousness has as much value as seriousness" - Brand

"We arent going to solve world problems with Facetiousness" Paxman

"We arent going to solve them with the current system at least Facetiousness is funny." - Brand

I think he is very funny and uses his sense of humor to creates knew ways of thinking, ideas and in his arguments to make a point. Maybe his type of humor will make it easier to relate to others getting his points across.

 

[Keit]

So it would definitely be interesting if Russell Brand read Political Ponerology and The Vegetarian Myth and incorporate those understandings into his activism. If he's open to what each has to say, which might slaughter a few of his sacred cows, then that would be really cool! Although I wonder if because he doesn't touch on either is the reason he has been given so much air-time in media outlets.

Yes, I have the same feeling. And while certainly don't want to dismiss the positive aspect of what he is doing, there is a possibility of him maybe being part (albeit unconsciously) of the so called "controlled opposition". Or as Laura says: "there is a program for everyone". Maybe PTB understand that revolution is not that far away, so better allow certain "maintainable" revolutionary voices to speak up and lead it in a more desirable direction. But I surely can be wrong and overcautious in this assessment. It just that I am reminded of the sudden flip flop of Muse's Matthew Bellamy who was so outspoken about 911 being an inside job. Time will tell.

 

[mada85]

So it would definitely be interesting if Russell Brand read Political Ponerology and The Vegetarian Myth and incorporate those understandings into his activism. If he's open to what each has to say, which might slaughter a few of his sacred cows, then that would be really cool! Although I wonder if because he doesn't touch on either is the reason he has been given so much air-time in media outlets.

Yes, I have the same feeling. And while certainly don't want to dismiss the positive aspect of what he is doing, there is a possibility of him maybe being part (albeit unconsciously) of the so called "controlled opposition". Or as Laura says: "there is a program for everyone". Maybe PTB understand that revolution is not that far away, so better allow certain "maintainable" revolutionary voices to speak up and lead it in a more desirable direction. But I surely can be wrong and overcautious in this assessment. It just that I am reminded of the sudden flip flop of Muse's Matthew Bellamy who was so outspoken about 911 being an inside job. Time will tell.

Same here, Keit. It would be great if Brand was the real deal, but given all we know about how the PTB work, and how deep the psyops rabbit hole goes, I'm really not holding my breath. That's not to denigrate the fact that by virtue of his very public position he is able to bring these ideas to a wider audience. However, as many have remarked, without knowledge of psychopathology, the kind of revolution he talks about is only a case of 'out with the old, in with the old'.

 

[Pierre]

So it would definitely be interesting if Russell Brand read Political Ponerology and The Vegetarian Myth and incorporate those understandings into his activism. If he's open to what each has to say, which might slaughter a few of his sacred cows, then that would be really cool! Although I wonder if because he doesn't touch on either is the reason he has been given so much air-time in media outlets.

Yes, I have the same feeling. And while certainly don't want to dismiss the positive aspect of what he is doing, there is a possibility of him maybe being part (albeit unconsciously) of the so called "controlled opposition". Or as Laura says: "there is a program for everyone". Maybe PTB understand that revolution is not that far away, so better allow certain "maintainable" revolutionary voices to speak up and lead it in a more desirable direction. But I surely can be wrong and overcautious in this assessment. It just that I am reminded of the sudden flip flop of Muse's Matthew Bellamy who was so outspoken about 911 being an inside job. Time will tell.

And what's better for an effective "controlled opposition" than a truly genuine leader... that will get co-opted along the way? Up to this point Brand seems genuine. He seems deeply convinced by what he says and that's one of the reasons why he is so convincing.

Maybe the PTB plan is to let him built momentum, become a leader and then they will start implementing their spinning tactics. Because it(s quite obious that frustration and anger are in the air. So a solution is needed to release and channel this social pressure in a way that doesn't hurt the elite's privileges.

Only 1% of lies is enough to twist 99% of truth. The PTB can let him speak the truth about the symptoms: the deplorable state of our world, the inequalities, the greed of the elites, the illusion of vote and democracy. This is the truth and it certainly resonates with people. The PTB just have to control the solution that is proposed to cure the above-mentioned symptoms and thus mislead the followers that joined the appealing Brand movement.

Time will tell but the chance for a good leader to raise to power, implement positive changes and survive are rather small, even with a lot of knowledge and a good network.

 

[Keit]

I would think a marxist revolution represents a threat to the elite if it were at all a possibility. the Cuban revolution for example was an obvious shake-up to the status quo. almost the entire previous administration was executed without trial, and land-owners had their land and wealth confiscated.

Just remembered about this part from the latest session:

(Atriedes) I do have one question. Maybe it's not a good question. Recently and for the last few years, there has been an increasing amount of public rhetoric from various different speakers from various different quarters about the disparity between lower classes and upper classes, between wealthy and non-wealthy people. More and more they've started to use a kind of Marxist language talking about class differences. It seems to me that this might be a repeat of what happened in the original communist revolutions. So, are we looking at an instance where some kind of charismatic communistic leader person, writing some kind of new Communist Manifesto, and starting some revolution or problems or whatever? Or is it all orchestrated?

A: Very possible.

Q: (Mr. Scott) But there again a million other things are possible. It depends on what happens when you wake up tomorrow morning. (L) Yeah, everything can change. (Perceval)No, but there is this historical cycle where they ramp up the greed and then something comes along to equalize everything. (Mr. Scott) Yeah, that's true. (L) Okay, anything else? I want to say good night. I'm tired.

A: Yes. Goodbye.