Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?

wand3rer

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I watched Obama's speech first, followed by Russia's and now The pope. Obama's speech was cringeworthy to say the least. Putin's speech, apart from the first translator, was very elegant and insightful. He really does seem to be a shining light in a fairly dark place. I liked his professional manner and his somewhat blunt language and themes, issues he talked about. Overall his speech gave me some hope!!
 

thorbiorn

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s-kur said:
Yes, the great speech, indeed, its really honest and reflects the real state of the World and the causes that led it in current state.

What especially wonders me is if Putin do really knows something about climate changes, i.e. ice age's coming. The climatic part of the speech left "something in the air" regarding his awareness:

Ladies and gentlemen, the issues that affect the future of all people include the challenge of global climate change. It is in our interest to make the U.N. Climate Change Conference to be held in December in Paris a success.

[...]
There were many stones in his speech against the US Government led version of the present World Order. How to alleviate the inflicted pain? Perhaps global warming was a band aid.
It may be that Putin believes in Global Warming. Or, it may be he knows more, there are certainly quite a few TV shows and youtubes in Russian including interviews with researchers who think that it is getting colder.

But there are also a number of predictions about the future of the world and the role of Russia, I watched a few the other day; unfortunately they are in Russian. I would be surprised if Putin or his advisors are unaware of any of this. Now if one takes the predicitons into account about the current and future turmoil in the world, then the global warming climate business is really very minor, apart from it being a lie. To promise something for 2030 is just immaterial, it does not matter, considering what is still to come! However, I do think it is important that he gives backing to something that is to take place in France, in Paris. I am sure there will be a number of especially French (they will feel very honoured) or even German/EU politicians or diplomats who take notice. And the role of France, who wants to bomb Syria in self defence, is important, apart from France being a party in the Minsk agreement. Also it is like pointing out, whatever I have said today, (thay you may not like), there are things we can work on, we continue to talk, and next time we meet is in Paris in December.

Keit mentioned smoking: If anyone would like to know some of the events that took place before Russia went into anti smoking mode, have a look at the translation Siberia did of an article that gives some of the background: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33856.msg535344.html#msg535344
 

luc

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Keit said:
s-kur said:
What especially wonders me is if Putin do really knows something about climate changes, i.e. ice age's coming. The climatic part of the speech left "something in the air" regarding his awareness:

As part of our national contribution, we plan to reduce by 2030 the greenhouse emissions to 70, 75 percent of the 1990 level.
Yeah, the above quote actually shows that he follows the "official party line" when it comes to "climate change", at least for now. But his wording also indicates that, as usual, he is being very careful about what he says and how he says it. And that's not coincidental, especially when he wrote the speech himself and worked on it for a month.

I think that his approach toward the topic is similar to his approach toward smoking. On one hand there are more draconian anti-smoking rules in Russia, on the other he says that freedom of choice should be preserved in every aspect of Russian citizens lives. Besides, he isn't perfect and may have gaps in awareness.

When it comes to the upcoming Ice Age, since Russia controls a large chunk of the Arctic, it's possible that he has access to various data regarding changing temperatures, etc. For now, since Russia and neighboring countries experience anomalous hit and even repeated vegetation, people again forget about cold and use the global warming mantra.
Yeah, the passage about global warming caught my attention as well. My interpretation is that he "plays nice" on this one in order to gain sympathy/public support, since many "liberals" are very concerned about this topic and very critical towards the US for "not doing enough to reduce CO2 emissions". So maybe he tries to use this sentiment as a political tool? Also, from what I understand the whole global warming thing is one of the UN's "pet topics", one that they can possibly use to increase their influence. And since Putin always says how important the UN is and that it should be strengthened, maybe he wants to support them on all fronts, including the "climate change policy" shtick. FWIW
 

Siberia

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thorbiorn said:
Keit mentioned smoking: If anyone would like to know some of the events that took place before Russia went into anti smoking mode, have a look at the translation Siberia did of an article that gives some of the background: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33856.msg535344.html#msg535344
Indeed, Thorbiorn. The problem of Western capitalists-sponsored lobbying does exist in Russia too. And the reason why this anti-smoking lobby is partly successful is because it is generally supported by the Russian people. Putin himself is a non-smoker and believes that smoking is harmful. He supports measures aimed at reducing the number of smokers, drug addicts and alcoholics in Russia and promoting sports instead. And this policy has already brought significant positive results.

Another point to consider is that the majority of today's Russian smokers choose cheap cigarettes as opposed to natural tobacco, which is harmful in a number of ways. And reducing such smoking gives some positive results as well.

Also, despite that I'm a smoker myself, I actually support laws prohibiting public smoking in Russia. Because when I come to a restaurant or go by train, for example, I don't want to breathe smoke produced by other people. There's no problem for me to go outside and smoke as much as I like. I think we should respect other people's right to breathe fresh air.

As for Putin's UN speech, I think it was brilliant and very much to the point. It was focused on the major global threats that humanity is causing and facing nowadays. As for such topics like the cosmic threat or the Ice Age, those processes are natural and cyclical and it's beyond our capabilities to prevent them. That's why Putin was instead focused on problems that can and must be solved, osit.

Many Russian scientists actually predict the upcoming Ice Age. There are also regular TV reports on this subject by major Russian federal TV channels, such as Channel Russia, for example. They broadcast reports by the famous Russian meteorological center Phobos who have numerously mentioned the possible Ice Age in the near future.

That said, there's still a lot of confusion in this field. Many specialists still tend to trust their Western colleagues and publish lots of their Global Warming research too. After the devastating 90s when many Russian scientists had to leave their jobs and survive the turmoil, we do not have such a solid scientific base as we used to have earlier. We do not have such innovative scientific equipment as our Western colleagues have, either. The situation is gradually improving, but it will take some time to restore our science. Besides, as Keit mentioned, there are record high temperatures now in Moscow and some other areas, which is another factor of confusion.

But anyway, the subject of the Ice Age is being openly discussed in Russia, it is not a taboo nor is it repressed or ridiculed by anyone. fwiw
 

Chrissy

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wand3rer said:
I watched Obama's speech first, followed by Russia's and now The pope. Obama's speech was cringeworthy to say the least. Putin's speech, apart from the first translator, was very elegant and insightful. He really does seem to be a shining light in a fairly dark place. I liked his professional manner and his somewhat blunt language and themes, issues he talked about. Overall his speech gave me some hope!!
I watched Putin first and also felt hopeful. After listening to Obama (I couldn't even look at the screen) I was left with disgust and nausea. I kept thinking about Sunday's radio show with Dmitry Babic and Niall's comment about if they actually believe their own BS. I don't know what was more disturbing, the absolute and brazen hypocrisy or the applause he received throughout the speech.
 

Keit

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Chrissy said:
I watched Putin first and also felt hopeful. After listening to Obama (I couldn't even look at the screen) I was left with disgust and nausea. I kept thinking about Sunday's radio show with Dmitry Babic and Niall's comment about if they actually believe their own BS. I don't know what was more disturbing, the absolute and brazen hypocrisy or the applause he received throughout the speech.
I just watched Russian news, and according to them it was clear that the speech intended not only to the UN assembly, but also to the US electorate. Sources in UN remarked, that although it was well rehearsed (no teleprompter this time!), it was also too wordy and pretentious. I haven't watched it though, so no personal opinion. I would prefer to watch Putin again. ;)
 

Mr.Cyan

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I did manage to watch through the Obama speech (cringing all the way) - mostly out of curiosity to see how many lies a schizoid can hold with a straight face to the world audience; and i had similar conclusions. He seemed to be pandering to the US electorate; probably prepping them for any eventual decisions/actions the Empire will make on the situations in Syria and Ukraine - mostly lies off course. Actually the disconnect from reality in his speech portrays that the Empire is being outmanouvered and they are getting desperate...

Likewise i would prefer to watch Putin again too :)
 

Hesper

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Menrva said:
A great speech from a true statesman. It was refreshing to hear the truth as opposed to the theatrics and lies. He's outmaneuvered them again, I think. Russia, hope of the world, indeed!
Absolutely! My favorite quote I've heard so far is this, because I think it so eloquently sums up what so many ethical people think:

http://www.rt.com/news/316804-putin-russia-unga-speech/ said:
"I cannot help asking those who have caused this situation: Do you realize now what you have done?" he asked. "But I am afraid the question will hang in the air, because policies based on self-confidence and belief in one's exceptionality and impunity have never been abandoned."
So realistic, confident, and fearless. Sad, considering the global context, but inspiring.
 

angelburst29

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Keit said:
s-kur said:
What especially wonders me is if Putin do really knows something about climate changes, i.e. ice age's coming. The climatic part of the speech left "something in the air" regarding his awareness:

As part of our national contribution, we plan to reduce by 2030 the greenhouse emissions to 70, 75 percent of the 1990 level.
Yeah, the above quote actually shows that he follows the "official party line" when it comes to "climate change", at least for now. But his wording also indicates that, as usual, he is being very careful about what he says and how he says it. But his wording also indicates that, as usual, he is being very careful about what he says and how he says it. And that's not coincidental, especially when he wrote the speech himself and worked on it for a month.

I think that his approach toward the topic is similar to his approach toward smoking. On one hand there are more draconian anti-smoking rules in Russia, on the other he says that freedom of choice should be preserved in every aspect of Russian citizens lives. Besides, he isn't perfect and may have gaps in awareness.

When it comes to the upcoming Ice Age, since Russia controls a large chunk of the Arctic, it's possible that he has access to various data regarding changing temperatures, etc. For now, since Russia and neighboring countries experience anomalous hit and even repeated vegetation, people again forget about cold and use the global warming mantra.
In my opinion, President Putin might be following the "official party line" on climate change "on the surface" but Russia has made some remarkable advancements in the Nuclear Power energy sector. Russia no longer has radioactive discharge pools surrounding it's reactor buildings. They have come up with a method to re-purpose the radioactive water, within the system, to produce additional energy and strip the radioactive properties. It would be in the U.S. interests to partnership and work with Russia on these new developments? Over 80% of America's Nuclear Power plants are leaking radiation - way above EPA established protocols and the radioactive discharge is finding it's way into our drinking water.

On the other hand, Russia's major undertaking in building a major pipeline system, to other Countries, is to help with their energy needs including heating options, depending on conditions and availability to alternatives. Profit is secondary. Ukraine was included in that planning, but the U.S./Israeli coup intervened - to the detriment of the Ukrainian people. Yet, Putin's Russia continues to send humanitarian aid to those most affected in Donbas. http://tass.ru/en/russia/816955 37 Humanitarian Convoys of a hundred trucks or more, each time.

In regards to the draconian anti-smoking laws, it might be - in part, due to who was the major supplier (Phillip-Morris ?) along with being a strategy in reversing the corrupt Western influences that were introduced to weaken Russia and it's people. Much like - what has taken place to address fast food operations like McDonald's, etc. and clean up the food environment, including banning GMO's in food and agriculture/seed. If climate affects food production, at least what is grown will be beneficial and not contaminated. Same with tobacco and smoking, there may be other options being worked on, to provide a safer and more natural product?

Considering the working professionals behind Putin, I doubt he's in a cloud where climate change and a possible Ice Age are concerned? He's preparing Russia on many fronts. Quality of life, proper food options and stimulating education and sports are some of his directives. With BRICS, he's addressing the economic and financial ends.

Much like the reversal of Western influence in Russia, Putin's trying to accomplish the same on the battle front - in helping Syria/Assad.
If this works out as planned, it will help with the reversal of ISIS, Alqaeda/Nusra and the U.S. conspiracy.

_http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/damascusmoscow-teheran-belarus-to-send-more-forces-to-syria-huge-army-buildup-to-take-back-jisr-al-shughoor.html
 

Juba

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wand3rer said:
I watched Obama's speech first, followed by Russia's and now The pope. Obama's speech was cringeworthy to say the least. Putin's speech, apart from the first translator, was very elegant and insightful. He really does seem to be a shining light in a fairly dark place. I liked his professional manner and his somewhat blunt language and themes, issues he talked about. Overall his speech gave me some hope!!
I watched whole Obama speech on Croatian national TV programs and frankly that man was like pufferfish, his speech was poisonous and bloated. :barf:
Putin's speech was only given for 10-15 seconds during news time, but commentator, of course like in every "good" NATO country, explained that Putin is again putting blame on others not willing to admit his own mistakes!?
Well, after that I watched whole Putin's speech on Internet and I was (and I'm still) ashamed of Croatian TV. If I think a bit better the most of Cro TV's are in oligopoly hands (RTL is part of Bertelsmann, and 50% of written media is in the hand of one company).
Bertelsmann is one of the big five media companies with News Corp, Viacom, Disney and Time Warner and they hold most of the "news" in their clutches.

Jeez I really like SOTT, thank you guys!!! :hug2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/158920-us-ukraine-media-control/
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/10/23/owns-media-6-monolithic-corporations-control-almost-everything-watch-hear-read/
 

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Yupo

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I'm curious about the 75% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from 1990 levels. Is it possible that levels were actually even higher back then due to inefficiencies? Anyone have information on this?
My sense is that he speaks the truth while it means little (hardship/belt tightening to achieve this) in the case of Russia.
 

angelburst29

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In this article, there's a photo of President Obama, President Putin, Kerry and Lavrov. The expression on President Putin's face is "priceless!"

West Facing Diplomatic Dilemma Over Syria After Putin Offer / Sputnik International
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150929/1027712250/west-syria-russia-ISIL.html
 

Laura

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Talk about giving it with both barrels!!!

http://www.rt.com/news/317013-parliament-authorization-troops-abroad/

http://www.rt.com/news/317021-russia-syria-engagement-how/

http://www.rt.com/news/317041-preemptive-strike-putin-terrorism/

http://www.rt.com/politics/317045-war-on-terror-is-sacred/

http://www.rt.com/news/317042-russia-start-operation-syria/
 

RedFox

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Wow.
The UN seemed like a game changer, and these actions feel like Castaneda's description of timing (after all the control, discipline, and forbearance).
Talk about giving the tyrant what it's due!

If ISIS is crushed in a matter of months (given the pace it's moving it seems plausible), that would be very interesting in exposing everything to the world at large.

All these years of 'the war on terror' to suddenly have it end?
Maybe that's wishful thinking, but it sure is fascinating to watch.
 

Skyalmian

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[steps back a moment and pushes pause on the happiness] Are all these moves in an objectively positive (balancing) direction?
 
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