Satellites collide

[Laura]

Geeze, it does give you a few chills up the spine, doesn't it?

 

[Ady_H101]

Its certainly starting to give me chills now! im just curious tho is it possible that what the C's are saying now or in recent year is becoming reality much quicker than they have been in the past? I mean the closer we get to the event will the information coming through come to pass at a faster rate? surely as futures merge an outcome will become more clearer? even if it is open? i know alot of what they have said in the past has come to pass and other information is seeming to become more likely ( take for example the Californian governement basically being declaired bankrupt over the past few days and what the C's said about a mass migration from California due to economic conditions not to mention many many others) but this took years to manifest and yet here we are with a recent transcript and already its playing out. Ive seen no UFO's but im certainly starting to get 'that feeling in the pit of my stomach '

 

[Joe]

Then, there is this:

here's another theory for the satellite crash a few days ago

Texans report fireball in sky, sonic booms

Sonic booms and at least one fireball in the sky were reported in Texas on Sunday, less than a week after two satellites collided in space and a day after the Federal Aviation Administration asked U.S. pilots to watch for "falling space debris," authorities said

"On Saturday, the FAA told pilots through its routine notification system that "a potential hazard may occur due to re-entry of satellite debris into the earth's atmosphere." The notice did not specify a time or location"

As Joe pointed out to me, the "colliding satellites" could actually be a cover story for a known coming barrage of cometary debris.

Can't have people suddenly realizing that we may really be heading into the cosmic soup. And it ain't ducky!

Well, now they've come out and publicly said the Texas fireball was not linked to the "satellite crash" Note that it was "just a meteor". Well, "PHEW!" thank god for that then!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6264797.html

Metallic meteorite likely sent fireball across Texas sky

Feb. 16, 2009, 8:47P.

Sunday’s great Texas fireball was – probably – just a meteor.

Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Strategic Command said the bright lights witnessed over Texas skies were almost certainly not linked to last week’s collision between an American commercial satellite and a Russian government communications satellite

 

[Nević Nenad]

It’s nothing, just a little comet . . . Move along, nothing to see here.


(well that would be literally in the case of a comet) :)

 

[Kenny McCormick]

Glimpy wrote:

Does anyone have an idea where exactly these satellites banged into one another? Any particular region of sky, or longitude/latitude?

72,12oN 122,85o

 

[Rick]

Glimpy wrote:

Does anyone have an idea where exactly these satellites banged into one another? Any particular region of sky, or longitude/latitude?

72,12oN 122,85o

Hi Kenny,
Is that 122,85 East or West and do you have a source for this?

 

[Rick]

Glimpy wrote:

Does anyone have an idea where exactly these satellites banged into one another? Any particular region of sky, or longitude/latitude?

72,12oN 122,85o

Hi Kenny,
Is that 122,85 East or West and do you have a source for this?

Actually, now that I think about it they did say Siberia, so it has to be east.

 

[Keit]

Are you including the subs that smashed, just a little bump though, around the same time as the satellites?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jKcoIY6QBk2T25USYHDKbBtyUmHQD96D0EGO1

Interestingly enough, on the same day (February 13th) Norad warned Canadian government that space debris was headed for Alberta. But in this case it wasn't satellite debris but a piece of Russian Soyuz rocket. Apparently, at some point the debris changed its trajectory and made a reentry somewhere in southern coast of Africa.

From Space junk disaster narrowly averted:

"On 13 Feb, North American Aerospace Command tracked the re-entry of a rocket body at approximately noon EST following the launch of a Russian rocket that resupplied the International Space Station. The object, 10-square meters in size, skipped off the atmosphere and re-entered off the southern coast of Africa. NORAD followed prescribed assessment procedures during the reentry and officials from the command deemed it not a threat to populated land areas in North America. NORAD does not have any further details on the reentry."

I wonder when they are going to run out of satellites/rockets.

 

[RedFox]

Does anyone have an idea where exactly these satellites banged into one another? Any particular region of sky, or longitude/latitude?

_http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/12/content_10809710.htm

China alert on U.S.-Russian satellite collision

BEIJING, Feb. 12 (Xinhua) -- The debris left by a satellite collision above Siberia, Russia, poses a threat to China's solar synchronous satellites on the orbit, Chinese scientists told Xinhua reporters on Thursday.

Two telecommunications satellites, launched by the U.S. and Russia respectively, collided on Thursday, at 0:55:59, in an orbital area 788.57 kilometers away from the Earth, at 97.88 east longitude and 72.50 latitude, according to Zhao Changyin, a researcher with the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory, in Nanjing City.

A monitoring network under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) is now closely watching and searching for the debris of the damaged satellites for the safety of Chinese satellites, said Zhao. But he insisted that such in-space collisions are rare.

The American satellite, which was projected on Sept. 14, 1997, was operational until it was destroyed in the collision. The Russian satellite, launched on June 16, 1993 has ceased operation.

The American satellite, 560 kilograms in weight, was moving 780kilometers above the Earth with an obliquity of 86 degrees. The Russian satellite weighed one ton, and was orbiting 790 kilometers above the Earth with an obliquity of 74 degrees, according to the Nanjing observatory.

The debris, which is spreading in space where the collision occurred, is forming a nebulous that may disperse gradually in the future, said Du Heng, a space debris expert with the CAS who is a researcher with the Space Science and Application Research Center.

The debris cloud may affect solar synchronous satellites moving in an orbital area of 700-900 kilometers above the Earth, including China's Fengyun-1 meteorological satellite and Ziyuan-1 observatory satellite, according to the expert.

"We can calculate whether our in-use satellites will be collided or not once the data of the debris cloud is published," Du said, noting it will help China readjust the operating gesture of its satellites on the orbit.

Thursday's satellite collision occurred with a relative speed of 11.6 kilometers per second, according to Zhao. Similar collisions have occurred in the past, he said.

On July 24, 1996, a French spy satellite ran into the remains of an Ariane V16 rocket carrier. On Jan. 17, the debris of a Chinese-made Long March-4 rocket collided with the remains of an American rocket.

 

[RedFox]

I always like to see who comments/suggests things when it comes to news like this (especially if the news is hiding something)...

_http://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=214200506&cid=RSSfeed_TechWeb

Satellite Collision Highlights Need For Space Traffic Control

Space traffic experts say that at least 500 pieces of potentially dangerous debris from the collision of two satellites highlight risks that should be discussed immediately.

The U.S. military monitors tens of thousands of pieces of space debris and tries to assess whether they pose a risk from collisions. The collision Tuesday of an American Iridium communications satellite and an inactive Russian Cosmos 2251 satellite has added nearly 700 more pieces at an elevation close to other satellites and the International Space Station.

NASA acknowledged that the debris could pose a slight risk to the space station, which could be moved in an attempt to avoid any debris that may move in its direction. The Secure World Foundation, however, said the collision and subsequent risks point to a need for space traffic control.

"This collision underscores in a dramatic way the importance of instituting an international civil space situational awareness (SSA) system as soon as possible," Ray Williamson, executive director of the private foundation for secure and sustainable use of space, said in a statement. "In the absence of reliable ways to clear debris from orbit, it will be increasingly important to follow all active satellites to prevent future preventable collisions."

The topic also came up at the 46th Session of the Scientific and Technical Subcommittee of the U.N. Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space in Vienna this week.

"Since space is becoming an increasingly congested environment, heightened space situational awareness as well as international cooperation between governments and industry is critical in the future," the committee said statement.

Secure World Foundation???

_http://www.secureworldfoundation.org/

The Secure World Foundation is a fully-funded, private operating foundation dedicated to the secure and sustainable use of space for the benefit of Earth and all its peoples. The Foundation engages with academics, policy makers, scientists and advocates in the space and international affairs communities to support steps that help achieve the secure, sustainable and peaceful uses of outer space with efficient and effective global systems of governance.

Our Vision
Secure World Foundation envisions secure, sustainable and peaceful uses of outer space made possible by efficient and effective global systems of governance.

Our Mission
Secure World Foundation works with governments, industry and civil society to identify, develop and promote ideas and actions necessary for achieving the secure, sustainable and peaceful use of outer space.

Our Themes
The Foundation approaches space governance by addressing three themes: Space security, human and environmental security and planetary defense.

Space Security: Developing the foundation for the effective management of space operations. Within this theme, the Foundation focuses on civil space situational awareness, space traffic management, mitigation of orbital debris and the avoidance of a space arms race.

Human and Environmental Security: Maximizing the global cooperative use of space assets for humanity. Within this theme, the Foundation focuses on cooperative Earth observation (EO) and the global sharing of EO data.

Planetary Defense: Promoting a unified policy approach to protection of our planet. Within this theme, the Foundation focuses on global policies to govern how we detect, track and deflect near Earth objects (NEOs).

Interesting...I find the mention of global governance/policies unnerving. I understand the context of there website, but still. Will have to try and find out who funds them to perhaps get a hint at things. Not sure if I've gone off on a unproductive tangent or not thought?

 

[Nienna]

Interesting...I find the mention of global governance/policies unnerving. I understand the context of there website, but still. Will have to try and find out who funds them to perhaps get a hint at things. Not sure if I've gone off on a unproductive tangent or not thought?

Speaking only for myself, I was thinking while reading about the Secure World Foundation, just who are these people really?

I do not think you are off on an unproductive tangent. This is becoming quite interesting, or so I think.

 

[Gimpy]

Thanks guys, that helped alot. :)

Does anyone have an idea where exactly these satellites banged into one another? Any particular region of sky, or longitude/latitude?

_http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/12/content_10809710.htm

China alert on U.S.-Russian satellite collision

BEIJING, Feb. 12 (Xinhua) -- The debris left by a satellite collision above Siberia, Russia, poses a threat to China's solar synchronous satellites on the orbit, Chinese scientists told Xinhua reporters on Thursday.

Two telecommunications satellites, launched by the U.S. and Russia respectively, collided on Thursday, at 0:55:59, in an orbital area 788.57 kilometers away from the Earth, at 97.88 east longitude and 72.50 latitude, according to Zhao Changyin, a researcher with the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory, in Nanjing City.

A monitoring network under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) is now closely watching and searching for the debris of the damaged satellites for the safety of Chinese satellites, said Zhao. But he insisted that such in-space collisions are rare.

The American satellite, which was projected on Sept. 14, 1997, was operational until it was destroyed in the collision. The Russian satellite, launched on June 16, 1993 has ceased operation.

The American satellite, 560 kilograms in weight, was moving 780kilometers above the Earth with an obliquity of 86 degrees. The Russian satellite weighed one ton, and was orbiting 790 kilometers above the Earth with an obliquity of 74 degrees, according to the Nanjing observatory.

The debris, which is spreading in space where the collision occurred, is forming a nebulous that may disperse gradually in the future, said Du Heng, a space debris expert with the CAS who is a researcher with the Space Science and Application Research Center.

The debris cloud may affect solar synchronous satellites moving in an orbital area of 700-900 kilometers above the Earth, including China's Fengyun-1 meteorological satellite and Ziyuan-1 observatory satellite, according to the expert.

"We can calculate whether our in-use satellites will be collided or not once the data of the debris cloud is published," Du said, noting it will help China readjust the operating gesture of its satellites on the orbit.

Thursday's satellite collision occurred with a relative speed of 11.6 kilometers per second, according to Zhao. Similar collisions have occurred in the past, he said.

On July 24, 1996, a French spy satellite ran into the remains of an Ariane V16 rocket carrier. On Jan. 17, the debris of a Chinese-made Long March-4 rocket collided with the remains of an American rocket.

 

[Devar]

Just pointing to some links and information which may be of some interest;

More information regarding the collision, including images and animations at http://www.agi.com/corporate/mediaCenter/news/iridium-cosmos/
One of these videos is available on youtube if you do not have the bandwidth for the HQ version at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyG3zqLyW8k

I ponder; if intentional, are the PTB slowly trying to lead to the Kessler Syndrome?

The Kessler Syndrome is a scenario, proposed by NASA scientist Donald J. Kessler, in a 1978 publication where the volume of space debris in Low Earth orbit is so high that objects in orbit are frequently struck by debris, creating even more debris and a greater risk of further impacts. The implication of this scenario is that the escalating amount of debris in orbit could eventually render space exploration, and even the use of satellites, unfeasible for many generations.

This is also the subject of today's APOD.
Wikipedia article on this subject.

 

[bedower]

the volume of space debris in Low Earth orbit is so high that objects in orbit are frequently struck by debris, creating even more debris and a greater risk of further impacts.

This thought was in my mind when I posted the photo. Even if this photo is only an impression, there must be a fair number of satellites orbiting Earth now, with more being sent up each week, or so it seems. Collisions under these conditions seem inevitable sooner or later, osit. That isn't to imply that the surmisings of other forumites are wrong, though.

The only surprise here is that the recent (and first) Iranian satellite wasn't involved. Fwiw.

 

[Ca.]

NASA news has indicated the it is preparing for a launch of (march 5,) of the Kepler a satellite, ( look out OCO, JASON-1 , TRMM , ICESAT, NMP/EO-1, CALIPSO, GRACE ,SORCE ,TERRA, AURA, AQUA ,CLOUDSAT, LANDSAT7, QUILKSCAT,( http:www.nasa.gov/externalflash/eyes/ ) to name a few. Not mention the military grade sat.s that one can only imagine that number in the mid hundreds . Kepler has been destined for the exploration of the skis for ET,and or planets that my contain the elements of life . The unit will contain a very powerful telescope (s) and camera (s).............so the recent collision (if there really was one ) must have NASA scrambling to put even more eyes in the sky to monitor the incoming debris as lager boulders have begin to pierce the atmosphere in larger numbers . With recent sonic booms and light shows that have invaded earth of recent , to the point of almost making ground contact. So scene NASA is totally aware that ET is here and large and in charge, this program like the recent supposed collision, that it is a obvious ruse and its intentions are even more and more obvious ..................And one can only imagine the the units in space can also be used for monitor the surface of this planet and its inhabitants when needed for tracking each and every one of us if they deem necessary ...............?


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