Science of 2012 : Rebirth or BS ???

[vzmoore]

Noise,
No offence taken… but I think the way I intended that sentence to read was that everything after the word "apparently" would be in question (i.e. They say they are producing a video series but so far there is only one video. They say event will happen in the next 5-15 years, but will it?)

Certainly, it could have been worded more explicitly. But being new to the forum I didn’t think that I would be put through an inquisition. I posted it here hoping that info in the video would go through an open-minded inquisition.

Now for the open door - it could just be me reading too much into this, or the fact that I do not know you, nor have I previously read anything else outside of this thread of which you have never written (outside of). Another thing I find strange is your profile is completely empty. No name, no website or anything to give me information of any kind. I "assume" you have been here before, but again that is just going off a hunch.

I am new to this forum (this is the first-time that I’ve read any of the posts listed here are made a post). With that said I have been to the http://www.signs-of-the-times.org "latest world news" and "podcasts" page many times; for alternative news reporting, and etc. Also the Cassiopaeans have made what could be termed predictions, and as previously stated, I enjoying learning of different prophecies and predictions.

As for as my personal info… I just wanted the focus to stay on the information in question (info from the video).

 

[vzmoore]

GeyCat,

One: that no scientist who had any idea of what was really going on would be allowed to live (there HAS been a history of the right specialists dying in strange coincedences. Do the research.)...

My comments would be IF the info is true, "they" may let him continue his research because he does have shaky credentials. (i.e. If he every goes public with what he knows we (the powers that be) can "circle the wagons" with propaganda and easily discredit him and anyone involved with his movement).

To play Devil's advocate, the scientist in question seems a bit too polished. The sweater and tie, and thinning hair. The books in the background...I haven't attended university in years (thank the God's for that.) but is that the norm to suggest one is a serious scientist?

Being that, from the info posted on the web, he does have questionable credentials... dressing up and filming next to a bookshelf may have been an attempt to ad a sort of façade/marketing type of credibility (i.e. he looks professional).

 

[Laura]

For example: Did you know that shortly before Hitler committed suicide he "supposedly" predicted that America would be destroyed by China?

Sez who?

 

[Laura]

I spent a few minutes to check on "Dr." Brooks Agnew, who is listed as the lead scientist in the Horizon Project. In the ScienceDirect database, categories "Earth and Planetary Sciences", "Mathematics" and "Physics and Astronomy", I couldn't find a single publication authored by him despite claims to more than 100 papers and numerous patents. I went to Google and found this:
http:// peswiki (dot) com/index.php/PowerPedia:Brooks_A._Agnew

I think that is enough to move on.

Oh, geeze! A "Hollow Earther"!!

 

[Guest]

Monsieur Agnew's 'credentials' can be found at:

http://phoenixsciencefoundation.org/page3.html

Theres a contact email address as well. Maybe he would send you some links to his papers.


He only has one patent that I found, but it's on the US Patent website:

http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%22Agnew+Brooks%22&OS=

It is, however, a patent.

By hollow earther, Laura I assume you mean the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition of which Agnew seems to be the new organizer. The LAST organizer Steve Currey suddenly found out he had brain cancer and was dead within two months. Lots of scientists seem to go out that way...comics too.

I'm having trouble seeing why the gent has been so easily discarded. The TV special is certainly thought provoking and much along the lines of what the C's have said. Same goes for the Hollow Earth theory, which doesn't say the whole earth is hollow. Just in certain places...another thing the C's mention.

 

[ark]

I'm having trouble seeing why the gent has been so easily discarded.

So, he claims that the Earth is hollow, and I say that the Earth is not hollow. Why would you take "his" theory more seriously than "mine"?

(I am using quotation marks because neither his theory is his, nor my theory is mine!)

 

[Guest]

Nono, Ark, you are misunderstanding and/or generalizing. He is not saying the earth is hollow, as in, if you dig down several layers the whole thing is like an empty, intact egshell. He's saying there are openings in the earth that lead to places underneath the earth where 'people' dwell.

A quote from the hollow earth site:


"Steve Currey, our previous expedition organizer took an expedition down the Tsangpo gorge in Tibet in the year 2000 where he discovered a hidden falls behind which the Tibetans say a cavern leads into the Hollow Earth, which they call Agharta, wherefrom years ago, their legends relate, the King of the (Inner) World emerged with a message of peace for our outer world, saying his Kingdom some day will emerge to help establish world peace. All the Tibetan faithful want to go there to die, Steve learned."

Maybe Steve Currey did find something. Something that needed to be covered up enough to knock him out via electromagnetic assasination. Hence all his nasty tumors coming up suddenly and him dying less than 90 days later.

I'm taking his theory seriously...though with a grain of salt I may add, because the idea that there are people dwelling in the earth getting ready to pour forth once word is givin, corresponds with the C's transcripts. Those transcripts I take very seriously, though again, salt is added for flavor. So both theories converge at a point. And that point to me is interesting. As I think it would be to you (that point only, you don't have to start picking out curtains with the guy.), yet this does not seem the case.

You and the SOTT team are right to guard yourselves against affiliations with fraudulent specialists. Having met you all personally, I am rooting for success in your endeavors as they match my own. But sometimes I'm not sure of your direction, which often doesn't help as a member of this forum. Of course, I'm aware of the danger and stress from myrid STS attacks you all undergo.

 

[John G]

In the 8/8/95 session it was asked point blank if Agartha exists and the answer was no but I think the real problem is that although it may be a valid esoteric debate it is nowhere near a science debate. Ark's style is to coax out some actual science when something is supposed to be science, he's quite good at it.

 

[Peto]

Monsieur Agnew's 'credentials' can be found at:

http://phoenixsciencefoundation.org/page3.html

Theres a contact email address as well. Maybe he would send you some links to his papers.


He only has one patent that I found, but it's on the US Patent website:

http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%22Agnew+Brooks%22&OS=

It is, however, a patent.

By hollow earther, Laura I assume you mean the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition of which Agnew seems to be the new organizer. The LAST organizer Steve Currey suddenly found out he had brain cancer and was dead within two months. Lots of scientists seem to go out that way...comics too.

I'm having trouble seeing why the gent has been so easily discarded. The TV special is certainly thought provoking and much along the lines of what the C's have said. Same goes for the Hollow Earth theory, which doesn't say the whole earth is hollow. Just in certain places...another thing the C's mention.

Let me detail the process I did. This is also what I would normally do to find out about an alleged scientist:
* First and foremost is his list of publications. Publication is the measure of accomplishment of a scientist. Where to find it?
+ At the official homepage. As publications are so important to a scientist, all scientists (at least those I encounter) put the list prominently on their homepage with full references. If the list is too long then a representative one. I couldn't find Agnew's list of publications anywhere on his homepage. It looks like a poorly designed e-commerce site.
+ In a scientific database. One database may not be exhaustive but it will certainly have many of his publications, especially when it is claimed that he has from more than 100 to more than 1000 papers. (The discrepancy in claims is another reg flag). I found none authored by Agnew in ScienceDirect
+ Google. When one has so many publications, some of them are likely to be in the public domain. Again, I found none.
+ The patent office website. There is one patent from him instead of the numerous ones that are claimed. As far as I can see, it is not about Physics or Earth Sciences. And a patent only proves that the idea is new, not whether it is useful or not. So I would give a patent less weight than a journal paper.
* The university where he got his PhD from. I couldn't find this information anywhere.
* Finally, google his name to see what is written about him. This last one should be taken with a grain of salt since anything could be written about anyone. But something interesting may come up. The link I found
http:// peswiki (dot) com/index.php/PowerPedia:Brooks_A._Agnew
came from Google.

So you see that he was not unfairly dismissed.

 

[vzmoore]

Laura,

For example: Did you know that shortly before Hitler committed suicide he "supposedly" predicted that America would be destroyed by China?

Sez who?

The recollection is attributed to Albert Speer who was interviewed for the making of a docudrama, about the final days of the Reich. Adolf supposedly conveyed it to him in their last private meeting together (down in the bunker with the allied forces "at the gate") when it was more than obvious that Germany had lost the war.

I kinda simplified it before I don't remember his exact words but to paraphrase Speer says Hitler said something like:
The Americans are too decadent, (something else) and lazy to last as a superpower... The Chinese are hard working, (something else), (something else) and one day they will defeat the Americans.

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Also, somewhat surprisingly to me a lot of the guys who were in the third Reich hierarchy and who survived the war lived pretty long lives. The average age of death was like 88, One of them lived to be like 98 or something. I’d think if anybody had some bad karma coming their way... But then again look at Rockefeller.

 

[vzmoore]

GreyCat,

Thanks for the links, I was actually thinking of emailing a list of different University Astrophysicist and Theoretical Astrophysicist (even though, I supposed some of them are "on the take") in the off chance that a few would comment on the science being presented in the video. Usually the Universities websites also list faculty email address. Getting passed the spam filters, though, I'm sure will be a problem.

 

[anart]

The recollection is attributed to Albert Speer who was interviewed for the making of a docudrama, about the final days of the Reich. Adolf supposedly conveyed it to him in their last private meeting together (down in the bunker with the allied forces "at the gate") when it was more than obvious that Germany had lost the war.

Information provided by a man's autobiography. Any other sources?

 

[anart]

GreyCat,

Thanks for the links, I was actually thinking of emailing a list of different University Astrophysicist and Theoretical Astrophysicist (even though, I supposed some of them are "on the take") in the off chance that a few would comment on the science being presented in the video. Usually the Universities websites also list faculty email address. Getting passed the spam filters, though, I'm sure will be a problem.

I think that's a great idea, would you let us know what responses you get?

 

[vzmoore]

The recollection is attributed to Albert Speer who was interviewed for the making of a docudrama, about the final days of the Reich. Adolf supposedly conveyed it to him in their last private meeting together (down in the bunker with the allied forces "at the gate") when it was more than obvious that Germany had lost the war.

Information provided by a man's autobiography. Any other sources?

Well, technically it wasn’t an autobiography and obviously no... It was a private meeting; the only other person who could know put a bullet in his head. Besides, I did say "supposedly"...

With that said, what would Speer have to gain by making THAT up, especially if he really believed in Nazism; I don't think that East Asians were thought that highly of by people of his ilk. It seems like a more logical answer would be "Hitler told me that Mother Germany would rise again from the ashes to "purify" the world. It’s her destiny..."

I think that's a great idea, would you let us know what responses you get?

Sure.

 

[anart]

The recollection is attributed to Albert Speer who was interviewed for the making of a docudrama, about the final days of the Reich. Adolf supposedly conveyed it to him in their last private meeting together (down in the bunker with the allied forces "at the gate") when it was more than obvious that Germany had lost the war.

Information provided by a man's autobiography. Any other sources?

Well, technically it wasn’t an autobiography and obviously no... It was a private meeting; the only other person who could know put a bullet in his head. Besides, I did say "supposedly"...

Actually, according to your link, this 'revelation' was revealed in his autobiography - so - how else would the events in a private meeting 'get out'???? Either in an autobiography, or a personal interview - the information would be supplied by, as you put it, the only other man 'there'.

With that said, what would Speer have to gain by making THAT up, especially if he really believed in Nazism; I don't think that East Asians were thought that highly of by people of his ilk. It seems like a more logical answer would be "Hitler told me that Mother Germany would rise again from the ashes to "purify" the world. It’s her destiny..."

Right - what would he have to gain - what does it matter if he's making it up anyway? He could have said that Hitler mentioned, before he put his gun to his head, that vanilla ice cream was the most pure, thus all good Germans should eat it - or that the Japanese create the most perfect of tea........ the point is that these words of his are the words of one man who was - very literally - fighting for his life after the war - every and any thing he said either pushed him closer to or farther away from 'the gallows' (at least for a short period after the war). This is not objective information - it is anecdotal. Who knows, the information may very well be true, but it may not - there is no data available to make that clear.

I think that's a great idea, would you let us know what responses you get?

Sure.

Well, that's lovely then. The point, in case you continue to miss it - autobiography or not - interview or not - Hitler or not - is that when you present information as if it is the truth, or even as if it is something to add to the enormous pile of 'possibly true' - it is always a good idea to really look deeply into where that information came from - without the pull of your own ego telling you that it's 'good info' - fwiw.