Science of 2012 : Rebirth or BS ???

[vzmoore]

anart,

Actually, according to your link, this 'revelation' was revealed in his autobiography - so - how else would the events in a private meeting 'get out'???? Either in an autobiography, or a personal interview - the information would be supplied by, as you put it, the only other man 'there'.

I’m not sure that info was listed on that linked page...I came across the "supposed" prediction from another source.

the point is that these words of his are the words of one man who was - very literally - fighting for his life after the war - every and any thing he said either pushed him closer to or farther away from 'the gallows' (at least for a short period after the war). This is not objective information - it is anecdotal.

Actually the interview was conducted well after the war, during the 70s I think. So he probably could have said whatever he wanted.

Anecdotal
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I believe when I first mentioned the prediction... it was presented as anecdotal:

For example: Did you know that shortly before Hitler committed suicide he "supposedly" predicted that America would be destroyed by China?

I’ve heard ALL types...

 

[noise]

Hi vzmoore,

I wonder what that "supposed" was supposed to reference.

"No offence taken…"

I had intended to write earlier but I was concerned that you might have edited in the words 'apparent.' It's really not relavent. I don't speak for the forum. Some paranoia is healthy yes?

"I didn’t think that I would be put through an inquisition."

I believe I'm too few to put you through an inquisition. Anyhow I'm not trying to get on any kind of footing with you in any positive or negative way. Just so you know, FYI I do find the topic very interesting.

Salutations :)

 

[jeremyg]

Monsieur Agnew's 'credentials' can be found at:

http://phoenixsciencefoundation.org/page3.html

Theres a contact email address as well. Maybe he would send you some links to his papers.

He only has one patent that I found, but it's on the US Patent website:

http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%22Agnew+Brooks%22&OS=

It is, however, a patent.

By hollow earther, Laura I assume you mean the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition of which Agnew seems to be the new organizer. The LAST organizer Steve Currey suddenly found out he had brain cancer and was dead within two months. Lots of scientists seem to go out that way...comics too.

I'm having trouble seeing why the gent has been so easily discarded. The TV special is certainly thought provoking and much along the lines of what the C's have said. Same goes for the Hollow Earth theory, which doesn't say the whole earth is hollow. Just in certain places...another thing the C's mention.

Well, at this point I decided to examine the referenced sites and see what I could find... Using Google for his name, I got the HTML version of his PDF resume. I was not impressed; more about that below.

The site his resume was on is <http://www.ourhollowearth.com/>, which has this graphic linked from the top of the home page:

So it looks like he may consider the whole thing hollow, like Laura thought. It's not his site, so that's not certain, but it is suggestive, since he approves of it enough to have his resume there...

Looking at his own main site, the symbol used is a phoenix. In "The Gods of Eden", page 112, William Bramley identifies that as a symbol of the Egyptian Brotherhood, an organization run for what he calls the Custodians, which Laura (and Barbara Marciniak, in "Bringers of the Dawn") terms the Lizzies. Of course, that may be coincidence. The phoenix was also the first national bird of the US (ibid, p. 284), later replaced by the bald eagle. And Betty Andreasson was shown a hologram of it during her abduction (ibid, p. 395). It's very prominent on Agnew's site; all his products (like T-shirts) are emblazoned with it.

On another page, he makes a remarkable claim:
"The PSF is building a strong and forward-thinking company with the best New Energy Technology on Earth. We plan to launch this new technology this year. "
I can't say I find this real credible... especially considering this report.

Let me detail the process I did. This is also what I would normally do to find out about an alleged scientist:
* First and foremost is his list of publications. Publication is the measure of accomplishment of a scientist. Where to find it?
+ At the official homepage. As publications are so important to a scientist, all scientists (at least those I encounter) put the list prominently on their homepage with full references. If the list is too long then a representative one. I couldn't find Agnew's list of publications anywhere on his homepage. It looks like a poorly designed e-commerce site.

Yes, it does. It references another of his sites; he's a talk-show host. Interesting guests, if you like some who are fringe even for the New Age. He also has a personal site on MySpace; he claims to be older than I am!

+ In a scientific database. One database may not be exhaustive but it will certainly have many of his publications, especially when it is claimed that he has from more than 100 to more than 1000 papers. (The discrepancy in claims is another reg flag). I found none authored by Agnew in ScienceDirect
+ Google. When one has so many publications, some of them are likely to be in the public domain. Again, I found none.
+ The patent office website. There is one patent from him instead of the numerous ones that are claimed. As far as I can see, it is not about Physics or Earth Sciences. And a patent only proves that the idea is new, not whether it is useful or not. So I would give a patent less weight than a journal paper.

The patent was obtained during a full-time job and assigned to his employer; it's for a paper-coating technique. As you say, not relevant to this topic.

* The university where he got his PhD from. I couldn't find this information anywhere.

His resume doesn't include it either, which is, ah, unusual. ;) Here is what it says:
- 2000 Extension Courses completed for Doctorate in Physics (awarded)
But no mention of the name of the school. It sounds an awful lot like one of those non-accredited life-experience deals that keep turning up in my inbox. That would also explain the lack of publications; you simply don't get published in any peer-reviewed journal I know of without a Ph.D. from an accredited university. At the very least you need a co-author with one. The work in his resume was all commercial QA, mainly ISO 9000, nothing academic.

* Finally, google his name to see what is written about him. This last one should be taken with a grain of salt since anything could be written about anyone. But something interesting may come up. The link I found
http:// peswiki (dot) com/index.php/PowerPedia:Brooks_A._Agnew
came from Google.

So you see that he was not unfairly dismissed.

I have to agree with you.

 

[vzmoore]

Noise,

I wonder what that "supposed" was supposed to reference.

I don't even know I've used it somemany times, now. ;)

"No offence taken…"

I had intended to write earlier but I was concerned that you might have edited in the words 'apparent.' It's really not relavent. I don't speak for the forum. Some paranoia is healthy yes?

"I didn’t think that I would be put through an inquisition."

I believe I'm too few to put you through an inquisition. Anyhow I'm not trying to get on any kind of footing with you in any positive or negative
way. Just so you know, FYI I do find the topic very interesting.

I am not only new to this forum but also new (as of the last 2 weeks) to the entire process, community, and culture of online forums. As soon as I post my comments I always inevitably see a typo or something. In my post about the Mayans I see this typo "Know one Knows" that I would like to change, but I don't want people to think the whole post was altered in some major way. But I don’t believe apparently was edited or added after the original post.

I certainly agree that some paranoia is healthy: I, personally, also feel that everyone has a right to think, feel, or believe whatever they want, and that our instincts help us to survive. I also think that you can never make everybody happy no matter how hard you try. But it just seemed to me like the first couple of replies were trying to get me to admit that "I worship Kukulcan", or something; and it just struck me as odd...


Apologies
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Anyway, I am unfamiliar with the culture of the group and I would like to apologies if any of my posts here have personally offended anyone, as my comments were not posted with the intent to offend, nor will they be. Of course, with that said, some people are offended when they see something they disagree with, regardless of rather it is true of false.

Hopefully, a healthy critical examination of the info can continue...


jeremyg,
Thanks for the post.

 

[cathryn]

There are a number of simple clues to his credibility one is the general grammer which is not at all to academic standard, and shows dialectical phrases. From the 100 papers he has had published it suddenly, on another page, turns into 'thousands'!! This is not credible even for a very aged Phd. It seems his main thrust is to get expenses paid trips to view potential patents, and gathering funds for an expedition which will probably not take place, he has a disclaimer to that fact. A journal search revealed no articles by the man, his website is amaturish, and that whisp of hair swept accross the top of his head will likely not withstand the arctic blasts. I predict he is delusional, if not a serious pathological liar and con-man.
But there again I could be wrong.

 

[Guest]

From his resume, he seems more an engineer than anything else. If his accomplishments are what he claims on his CV, they would be considerable. That is always the catch though. Pure Energy Systems cut off contact with him due to misclaimed credentials and accomplishments. Not so good, Mr. Agnew, you are starting to smell fishy. Although after looking around the PES website, I wasn't very convinced of THEIR credentials either. Anti-gravity and flying cars...
His doctorate was earned by extension courses whatever that means. Perhaps from Kennedy-Western University where he got his masters? It's amazing that people can actually FAKE credentials. But I suppose it is possible, profitable, and has been done as long as paper has been around.
Now, the hollow earth site and RODNEY M. CLUFF is just plain scary. Christians on a mission to find thier lost brothers from below. Yeesh.
However, where there are christians, there is bound to be money, and lots of it. Maybe Agnew aligned with them because they have the ice breaker and all the other tools to make the trip? Who knows. We probably never will.
Maybe Agnew is genuine and fumbling about in the lion's den trying to get the funding for research. Maybe he is the victim of character assasination. We all know there are folk about waiting to tarnish your reputation for the greater good of Big Brother.
I appreciate the research you did jeremyg, and you as well hoangmphung.
I also understand why it might not be best for SOTT to associate with Agnew.

 

[ark]

I also understand why it might not be best for SOTT to associate with Agnew.

Neither it would be best for Agnew to have anything to do with SOTT. While we encourage being open-minded, we strongly discourage lack of critical thinking and ignorance of data. We call wishful thinking what it is: wishful thinking. We call a hypothesis - hypothesis, we call a guess - guess , we call a speculation - speculation. We always ask for evidence. We always ask: Sez who?

 

[Guest]

I also understand why it might not be best for SOTT to associate with Agnew.

Neither it would be best for Agnew to have anything to do with SOTT. While we encourage being open-minded, we strongly discourage lack of critical thinking and ignorance of data. We call wishful thinking what it is: wishful thinking. We call a hypothesis - hypothesis, we call a guess - guess , we call a speculation - speculation. We always ask for evidence. We always ask: Sez who?

Got it. Now I will just shut up and end with a smiley...

:P

 

[morpheousinblue]

i can see from the reads on this post that it is in many minds.

let me attempt to stick to linear thought.....

about 12.5k years ago the earth warmed, a lot. recent data collected from ice core samples by a university in boulder, colorado suspect as much as 59 degree increase in the artic and 29 degrees in the antartic in as little as 50 years; sea levels could have risen as much as 23 feet. wow!? a global change that happened in the blink of the eye? nothing like that has been discovered since gene shoemaker visited a cathedral in europe and changed scientific thinking on global impact [up until then science thought it folly that any astralmaterial could penetrate the atmosphere and i always thought it most ironic that the evidence was a medevial cathedral] --he was also mysteriously killed in a an auto crash in the austrailian desert, heavy traffic-- hey it's somebody's birthday today?.. happy birthday mister the earth is not the center of the universe.....anyway, that was back in the times of like atlantis, noah and gilgamesh.... i digress

it was recently pointed out to me that a large portion, if not the majoirty, of those in the prophecy biz predicted global environmental strife at about the same time in history. mayans, hopis, edgar cayce, nostradomus, the lady in england [can't remember her name] all figured something was up. the dresden codecs, which was one of the very few of the mayan books that survived a good ole book burning, shows a female godess pouring out a jug of water upon the earth.. written above, the words that weren't burned were, "black earth, black on high.." ...... but again, that's just all conjecture and faiths. faith and science have yet to reconcile their differences [though the santorini explanation of the exodus has its merits]

we do know this, the earth's magnetic field has been in decline. most best guesses say it is on a schedule for about anywhere from a few hundred years to a couple thousand. the chandler wobble basically stopped and reinvented itself. the next solar maximum is due for 2012. ulysesse was launched high above the planitary plane, but we just don't have much data [another irony that we seem to be late at the gun] the earth has undergone geomagnetic shifts about every 250k years, on average. the last geomagnetic shift was over 700k years ago. the debate on "if" global warming is over, but nobody has a clue if the gulf stream will shut down or if polar bears will become brown.[ironic that the chandler wobble was only recently discovered to be caused by salinity and temps in the very deep oceans **look up el nino and gulf stream*]

the groundbreaking discoveries keep coming and the science is falling flat. people are left to their speculations and their myths. maybe, that is how it works in times of rennaisance. after all, he only climbed mount vonteau for the view and not the barometric pressure.

i grew up the son of the chief scientist on astalmaterials [yeah, he's on ares], but there is one thing that i have learned over the years. it reminds me of the hindu sculpture; the three faces of man. science on one side, faith on the other and humanity looking you square in the jaw

we all know our planet is changing... some of us think she's not so happy with us... the answers could be as simple as a cathedral built from a meteorite however it works out, i'm glad that there are deciples of alexandria out thre that just want to know

 

[Peto]

Morpheousinblue, is it my English or what but I can't make sense of what you are talking about. Can you rephrase your post and what you want to convey in a more comprehensible form?

 

[morpheousinblue]

well, i saw the title of the thread.. i read through the thread.. i noticed that it went here and there. it went from scientific credentials to the earth being hollow. if the question is, "does the prophecy of 2012 have any roots in science?" i say the answer is yes, and no i think modern scientists will tell you they have not much of a clue of what's going on we didn't know what even caused the chandler wobble until the JPL figured it out in 2000, then it stopped in 2006 there was a debate on if global warming was even real in the scientific community up until recently do we know SOMETHING is going on? yes... when science comes up against a brick wall of the unknown, all the answers are philosophy

 

[Catalyst]

Re: Science of 2012 : Rebirth or BS ???

Here is a video interview with Brooks Agnew. I found it very interesting especially around the 40 minute mark, when he answers a question in regards to consciousness..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLnE8FewCs

 

[Keit]

Re: Science of 2012 : Rebirth or BS ???

Here is a video interview with Brooks Agnew. I found it very interesting especially around the 40 minute mark, when he answers a question in regards to consciousness..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLnE8FewCs

Since it's a long video, could you share with us the summary and main point of it? Thanks.

 

[Catalyst]

Basically, Brooks understanding of how healing may occur through consciousness. and it's around the 90 min mark. Sorry about that.

You are right it's a long video.