Scotland to vote on independence from UK

It isn't at all surprising to hear of vote fraud. I can't see how people turned out in such high numbers just to stick with the UK. YouGov, a UK based political opinion group, was calling the election even before the first results were in, despite there being no exit polls. They were basing it on previous polls which were samples. With such a high voter turnout it's unlikely they could represent actual figures.

That said, it's still clear there was massive support for the No vote. It's crazy to see the photos of Scots in apparent ecstasy upon hearing the final results, to remain as servants to such a deplorable union as the UK. It reminds me of the topic of "learned helplessness" and Laura's article on Transmarginal Inhibition where people become broken and readily accept the chains of the psychopathic reality.

Time will tell if this experiment has had any unintended consequences for the PTB, such as Paragon discussed. More people have probably seen glimpses of the quite massive control system at work because of the referendum. A bigger test though is if such a shock was big enough to continue questioning. I think it's doubtful that any such thing would happen on a large scale, but who knows if a few might have been disturbed enough. And with butterfly wings, that might be something.
 
Interesting development....


"Russia cries foul over Scottish independence vote

Russian observers say referendum count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.

Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.

Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."

Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.

"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.

Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putin in an interview with GQ in March.

The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.

Afshin Rattansi, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"

He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'".
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_http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum?CMP=fb_gu
 
The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.

Afshin Rattansi, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"
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Excellent point. The turnout was the first thing that's hard to believe ! Friends and family in Caithness and Sterling say that loads of folk they know didn't bother.

The apparent "passion" and emotion of the NO supporters the second.

They were jumping around like lottery winners, not people being ruled from 400-500 miles away!

I just hope it doesn't lead to greater divisions amongst a public who already have enough to be worried about.
 
Another video which covers some more "interesting" things that happened during the vote:

"Evidence the Scottish Independence Vote Was Rigged? Balderdash!"
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRg-VKuE68&feature=youtu.be
 
Psalehesost said:
Another video which covers some more "interesting" things that happened during the vote:

"Evidence the Scottish Independence Vote Was Rigged? Balderdash!"
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRg-VKuE68&feature=youtu.be
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:umm:

Below the video one comment:

"No country has ever voted themselves free"

Indeed.

M.T.
 
I was inspired by Scottish Girl's article http://www.sott.net/article/285884-People-of-Scotland-You-are-being-Lied-to-Vote-YES-you-wont-regret-it
For a moment, I got the feeling that there was a real chance for the Scots, that enough of them would wake up in time to claim their freedom. Indeed after watching Perceval's video, I do feel that they may have voted for freedom, but as is the trend nowadays, their freedom was robbed from under their noses.

I live in Kenya and I doubt there was ever an election here that did not involve rigging. It seems that we were taught the trade by the true experts, our colonial masters the English!! There are certain ground rules that one must ensure to make sure that there is no recount.

1. Make sure the margin of the win is more than 10%
2. Print enough extra marked votes in your favour since there is never a large turnout. Stuff thousands of boxes and have them ready near the counting stations. Use marked (official) vehicles to deliver the boxes where required
3. Have minimal exit polls or even better eliminate them altogether.
4. Make sure observers are kept so far from the counting so that they cannot make any sense of what is happening.
5. Select all the ballot counters and make sure that the majority they understand the result that is wanted.
6. Right from the beginning, start calling the expected result as a close call using trusted (read compromised) media houses, then just before the election announce that your candidate has a slight edge.
7. Immediately the results are out, declare the election as free and fair and ask your opponent to concede ASAP!

I weep for Scotland, I weep for the world.
 
From personal experience as a returning officer in a provincial election a number of years ago, corruption seems to be built into the British voting system.
As an appointed returning officer at a voting station in British Columbia, Canada, I was responsible for counting and sorting the ballots, as well as having the power to decide what was a spoiled ballot.
I was amazed that such ultimate power was invested in one individual with no oversight.
After the ballots were counted and sorted, another returning officer asked me how many spoiled ballots there were. Out of hundreds of ballots, I only found a very small number-about 5 to 10 (can't remember the exact number.) The other returning officer looked at me in almost total shock, and said "That's all? You're sure?" I replied "yes, is there usually more?." He then just walked away without answering.
So hypothetically, an unscrupulous person could have spoiled any number of ballots, with no one to answer to. Not to mention being able to alter the number of voters who actually voted, or not, for a particular party.
 
Kinyash said:
For a moment, I got the feeling that there was a real chance for the Scots, that enough of them would wake up in time to claim their freedom. Indeed after watching Perceval's video, I do feel that they may have voted for freedom, but as is the trend nowadays, their freedom was robbed from under their noses.
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I felt the same way, I really hoped that there would be Scottisch independence from the UK and the Scotts becoming an example for other regions in the world to become independent from their pathocratic masters. I feel sad now, and somehow a bit stupid that I didn't see it coming.
 
Unfortunately in George Square, in Glasgow, we have had 'riots' and the MSM had been conspicuously absent in their coverage of this event until someone had been stabbed. Some sources have been billing it as 'yes v no' voters, when in reality, it was between a group of around 100-200 loyalist thugs and a bunch of yes voters who were peacefully protesting.

It might come as a surprise to those of you who aren't aware of the background and culture of Scotland/Ireland, but these loyalists have been burning the Saltire (flag of Scotland), and signing rule britannia. Anyone who lives here would say that they are just Neanderthals, which they are, but I'm suspecting that perhaps this reaction was forseen and was/is part of a greater plan to divide the Scottish population, ala Northen Ireland. Who knows, but something is really fishy and I'm reminded of 1984 when Winston was told about the future being a boot, stamping on the face of a human, forever.

Anyhow, here is coverage of these events.

_http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29287409

_http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/19/violence-glasgow-scotland-loyalists-attack-independence-supporters
 
From Naomi Wolf on FB:

HOORAY AND BINGO to Diane Mahefsky Poland! I would bet she is not even Scottish but she was the first to find the contact to ask how a revote with observers gets going:

"Referendum Guidance Consultant: Anne Laird

Email anne.laird @ edinburgh.gov.uk

Telephone 07712 389442

Room 206
59-63 Lothian Chambers
Edinburgh
EH1 1RN"

So go Team Humanity -- contact Anne Laird to ask how a revote can be initiated in Scotland -- we can provide the independent observers via the Carter Center. KUDOS DIANE!
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I'm totally convinced that the vote was rigged. But I'm not quite sure what to make of the entire campaign. Wouldn't any serious organizers know that everything would be done to sabotage/prevent independence at this point?

The amount of noise and disinfo about the whole issue is also mind boggling just in the last week or so. I think it's telling how much was at stake. But still don't know what to make of some of the more subtle, less obvious twists and turns online. I'm not well informed enough about Scottish background, culture, and politics to catch every piece of contradictory disinformation/misinformation.

Not having exit polls is among the most outrageous of the suspicious way the whole thing turned out. What I noticed on SOTT Reader Comments and other online comments was that lots of Brits were really afraid of losing their parasitical privileges at the expense of Scotland. People that you'd think would hold a different position on the issue. Again, there was so much contradictory info about the issues, I'm not really sure of the accuracy of any of it. I'd rather hear from people who live there that I trust are being sincere than so much being posted on the internet.

That said, I did find the comments on SOTT and other sites that were forcefully against independence being quite self-contradictory. Like some English commentators accusing Scots of seeking welfare and handouts, not being able to be self-sufficient, etc. and then wanting them to vote "NO." If what they were accusing the Scots of was true, wouldn't they be glad to rid of them? On the other hand there was credible info, including on SOTT that the majority of wealth in UK is generated in Scotland, but distributed unfairly totally skewed for the benefit of England, and London in particular.
 
I was offline yesterday so when i came back and found a few people sharing YT videos of the possible rigging, i was quite surprised. So the idea IS out there, and then there's the 38 degrees (i think) petition for an investigation. The Russian observers commentary was very interesting, but the successful propaganda campaign against Russia/Putin has been effective enough - i think - to detract from their 'validity'.

I'll be keep an eye out to see if it gains much traction. I also missed out on the post announcement commentary and by the night time when i had chance to log on briefly it was so quiet! Then a bit later #GlasgowRiot had popped up. It was a bit presumptuous, if not antagonising, reporting the events like that. Though perhaps it was quite serious and it just didn't come across as such. I did see video of a punch up. But then it was Friday night!
added: just incase anybody isn't on youtube. Posted by Kniall

Election officials are asked to secure suspect ballot papers after claims of electoral fraud in Scotland's biggest city. Police received at least ten reports of people attempting to vote twice, or under someone else's name.

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For Pierre Hillard ( a french professor in geopolitics), and unfortunately I don't know if there is some pieces available in english, all those "independancy" movements are in the interest of the system. There are too synchronous type of these movements all over the world to not be suspicious. It's a "divide and conquer" type of things. Break the nations and it will left nothing to protect the people. Like the new project of provinces in France with the alliance with provinces of others european countries regarding EU that will eliminate french state for the profit of corporates, etc...

My mind is not done on this subject and I think people are sincere in their will to emancipate the system, but look, it's everywhere, so it could be a trap.
 
and unfortunately I don't know if there is some pieces available in english
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OK, I found some (not directly related but a little indirectly) :
_https://frenchdissidents.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/german-requiem-on-europe-by-pierre-hillard/
-https://frenchdissidents.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/transatlantic-power-concepts-and-the-attacks-on-switzerland-by-pierre-hillard/

(I just note that it was not so long that it was easier to do a search in another specified language in google, it's not the case anymore :rolleyes: )
 
I think it's quite likely that the British government wanted Scotland to vote yes. If they weren't prepared to let Scotland go they would not have allowed a referendum.

It fits with the E.U agenda of a Europe of regions. Scotland has been designated a region. The British govt is a devoted servant of the E.U.
The plan to break up the Uk will continue regardless of democracy. Already David Cameron is talking about more devolution for the different parts of Britain.
England will be split up into regions to render it powerless, and London is planned to become a detached city state.

It would be as simple as that if we weren't dealing with a ponerized system. There are competing interests and levels of motivation involved.The interests of the E.U are not the same as the interests of the member states. The interests of the state are not the same as the interests of politicians.

States like Spain which have provinces to lose will put up some resistance, but the power is in Brussels so they will be forced to give way.

David Cameron and his wretched Conservative Party would have stood a better chance of winning the next general election with Scotland out of the Union.

It's quite possible that the vote was rigged, and the main purpose of the referendum was to cause division and ill-feeling in order to weaken the Union.
If this is the case it seems to be working.

My respect for George Galloway has risen considerably. He hasn't lost the plot at all. If he were standing in my constituency he would have my vote, not that voting ever makes any difference.
 
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