Session 1 November 2025

[MJF]

I would classify the video as suspect, as the archeologist that they quoted is actually Dr. Luiz Moura, a medical doctor. No one would ever know him, except for extremely very few people, who happen to include me. At some point, I dug up everything ever published or available on autohemotherapy, including Dr Moura's interview relating his case studies on autohemotherapy. Fascinating interview!

Caption from your video:

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Dr Luiz Moura, talking about autohemotherapy:

Well I would admit that I did have some suspicions myself, so that is why I was looking for feedback. I have not had time to look into the backgrounds of the other archaeologists mentioned, so thank you for bringing the identity of Dr Luiz Moura to our attention.

This revelation raises certain questions though. Why has Dr Moura not complained about his identity being used in a video that suggests he is an archaeologist rather than a medical doctor? I think it was posted very recently, so it is possible that he may not be aware yet.

Secondly, why go to the trouble of creating a false story around what would be a truly ground breaking discovery? It takes time and effort to produce a slick video like this. Is it just a matter of clickbait so as to earn money on YouTube or is there a more sinister agenda involved? Is it just coincidence that it was posted so soon after the C's told us that the purses were power devices? I note that the video's makers go under the name of 'Unbelievable Tales'. If you are right, which I don't doubt you are, the clue I guess may be in the name. It certainly was not my intention to mislead anyone. Hence. I am very grateful that you spotted him and made us aware.

If time permits, I will do a bit more digging into the claims made in the video to see if there is any substance to them.​

 

[MJF]

I'm with Gaby on this one. Personally, I think that it would be a good description of finding an actual 'purse' but I think it's just a later stone carving and not an actual device. And when the narrator mentioned 'data storage device containing knowledge, at the molecular level, from the dawn of civilization' and that quantum imaging was used, I got the feeling someone made an AI story from AI research to the extent that it sounded like the plot to the next Indiana Jones movie.

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Yes, I would see this movie.
I love the fish!

Love the poster. I would go and watch the movie too, as I am a big Indiana Jones fan. Even if it is just a stone carving, as you suggest, it would still be an important discovery in its own right - if genuine of course.

 

[Benjamin]

Even if it is just a stone carving, as you suggest, it would still be an important discovery in its own right - if genuine of course.

I have no doubt that it's genuine 'cause there are many of them. I'm not trying to be critical when I ask if all of these have crystals inside them too? Were any found in broken ones?

 

[axj]

I have no doubt that it's genuine 'cause there are many of them. I'm not trying to be critical when I ask if all of these have crystals inside them too? Were any found in broken ones?

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One possibility is that these are "cargo cult" replicas created after the "gods" left with their real devices.

 

[thorbiorn]

One day this week I was on my break at work. I was sat in my car watching Alexander Mercouris. At one point I went to grab my cup out of the cup holder and I accidentally knocked the cup against the centre console area of the car interior, just under the radio. It made a small bang as I hit it. Immediately, Alexander Mercouris’ dog started barking in what sounded like another room in the background of the video.

If not unimaginable, it is a funny coincidence, and if unimaginable, is it beyond coincidence? If you listened to a recording, did your hand make that movement because a part of you got spooked by the sudden bark that was about to come? Or if it was direct, were you spooked by what spooked the dog that began to bark? Or did something happen outside the car, or even in your mind, that you did not notice much because you were distracted by the cup and the dog? Or did the cup and the dog point to something that was not related to either? Maybe Alexander spoke, you listened, there was a disturbance, Alexander spoke, you continued listening. Much will depend on the perspective.

Do you know the book Beyond Coincidence: by Martin Plimmer and Brian King. I once found an older version by coincidence. My impression was that they offer to rationalize it as much as possible in the first part, while the second part has all the anecdotes where the interpretation is more up to you. Some of the stories are rather incredible, many are entertaining and some are tragic. If more people began to take notice and record such occurrences, there might be many more stories to tell.

Regarding the unimaginable, large numbers are not easy to imagine if it is as single units. We can imagine a billion as a 1000 million, and a million as a 1000 times thousand, but on its own even a thousand units is not that easy to take in when it is jumbled as in a jigzaw puzzle still scrambled in its box.

Staying with numbers, there are imaginary numbers,

An imaginary number is the product of a real number and the imaginary unit i, which is defined by its property i^2 = −1

but few people have learned to relate to the square root of a negative figure. There are also complex numbers that combine imaginary numbers and real numbers. Maybe that can serve as an analogy for an emerging new reality, where a part will be similar and a part will be different and together they will still be largely different.

The unimaginable in relation to the Overton window
When it is in politics and public discourse there is the concept of the Overton window. The Wiki has a simple but effective illustration of what is meant:

Perhaps the unthinkable is not yet unimaginable, but close. Say it is unthinkable that the retirement age in European countries will be lifted to 80 years of age, though in fact it is not, since there was a time when there was no retirement age at all, but then none of the radical groups left or right are likely to have that as part of their main points, and so, in the public discourse, lifting the retirement age to 80 is unthinkable.

Remaining in politics if a "Russian revolution" with civil conflict came to parts that have not seen something like that for centuries, that would be unimaginable in a certain sense.

Another area could be crime, few in Europe, I think, can imagine moving to a situation where the homicide rate competes with South African levels, about 45/100,000, or 10 times more murders per 100,000 than in most places. High crime rates can be unthinkable, similarly sharp changes in finances, and living standards in places used to gradual and fairly small adjustments.

In nature, instead of a visible comet every 10 years it could be ten every year. Instead of local storm it could be a much more extensive storm. Instead of more snow than seen in a life time, it became more snow than in 500 years? Instead of a bit of volcanic ash in a small area, really large blasts can happen too.

And of course there can be reality shifts and paranormal events, as large changes on the outside might also be mirrored by substantial changes within the minds of many people.

The ideas of the unimaginable and the unthinkable could clash with the understandings of what is real, and what is realistic. Someone might try to convince another by saying that such and such will never happen because it is not realisti, end of story. Maybe it isn't, but is the unimaginable contained entirely within the boundaries of what is currently considered realistic? Maybe one approach to explore the unimaginable is to map what people consider realistic and then ask what it could look like if one moved beyond that just a bit, and then a bit more.

 

[MJF]

I have no doubt that it's genuine 'cause there are many of them. I'm not trying to be critical when I ask if all of these have crystals inside them too? Were any found in broken ones?

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One thing that struck me was that the stone purse the video displayed had an image of a being (a god?) grappling with two snakes, one in each hand. I don't know if it was intended to represent the Sumerian hero Gilgamesh who appeared in the oldest known written story, 'The Epic of Gilgamesh' one of the most beloved stories of ancient Mesopotamia, which has been dated back to as far as the third millennium BC. As in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve, the snake in the Epic of Gilgamesh is a symbol of trickery and deception, a creature that was linked to the downfall of man.

The imagery of a deity or super hero battling snakes was carried over into the Hittite cannon and the later Greek myths of Zeus battling the monstrous serpent known as Typhon and the infant demigod Hercules (or Heracles - a Greek version of Gilgamesh) strangling two snakes that had been sent by the goddess Hera, the wife of Zeus, to kill him in his cradle or crib. Heracles was found prattling delighted baby talk, a strangled serpent in each hand. In later life, amongst the famous Labours of Hercules, he would also be responsible for slaying the many-headed Hydra.

Could these stories have really been Sumerian and Greek mythicized accounts of planets (Mars and Venus?) and comets menacing the Earth, as discussed with the C's in this excerpt from the session:
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(Joe) You said that the Odyssey and Iliad were recordings of cataclysmic events. But there are no obvious depictions of cataclysms in those texts. Just wars and adventures with giants and other creatures and a lot of disasters at sea. Why are there no obvious depictions of cataclysmic events?

A: Implicit in the presence and activity of the gods.

Q: (L) I think it must be like... Remember what Mike Bailey said about what's his name? That he represented a giant comet or something, but he was turned into a god.

(Joe) He could smite people. So the gods at least in the Odyssey to a large extent were smiting people.

(Andromeda) Causing trouble for 'em except for Athena. She was…

(Joe) Yeah, causing trouble for them almost... as part of the... Were the gods in the Odyssey, for example, were they representations of, say, STS and STO forces?

A: Not so much as representing cosmic forces.

Although Laura refers to Mike Bailey, the main writer to my mind who promoted the notion of the gods as cataclysmic powers or cosmic forces was the English writer Alan F. Alford (1961 – 14 November 2011).

Quoting selectively from his Wikipedia entry:

Alford proposed an alternative, cataclysm theory of ancient myth:

"I am now firmly of the opinion that these gods personified the falling sky; in other words, the descent of the gods was a poetic rendition of the cataclysm myth which stood at the heart of ancient Near Eastern religions."

In Gods of the New Millennium (1996 & 1997), Alford drew the attention of the British public to the theories of the ancient astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin. The book was a commercial success. However, less than two years later, Alford began to contradict his mentor by arguing that the gods personified the explosion of a heavenly planet which had shaped the creation of the earth.

Alford's doubts about Sitchin's theory emerged while reading the Pyramid Texts as research for his book The Phoenix Solution (1998). In so doing, he found little evidence to support the ancient astronaut theory, but rather found correspondences between the Egyptian myths and the 'exploded planet hypothesis' of the American astronomer Tom Van Flandern. Alford affirms that the key to his U-turn was the realisation that "the gods personified the cataclysmic powers of creation".

This led Alford to begin his own investigation of the Mesopotamian mythological texts. The result was When The Gods Came Down (2000), in which he refined and extended his cataclysmic theory of myth while penning a hard-hitting rebuttal of the ancient astronaut interpretation. Coinciding with the publication of this book, Alford published on his website an extensive 'Self-critique' of his first book Gods of the New Millennium. At this time also the paperback edition of GOTNM began to carry a new foreword in which the author expressed his reservations about chapters 6 to 16.

In The Atlantis Secret (2003), Alford attacked the Euhemerist and Von Daniken theories of myth, arguing that the Greek gods were not deified heroes or astronauts but personifications of cataclysmic events from the beginning of the world. As for the ancient belief that the gods had granted the gifts of civilisation to man – a myth commonly cited by ancient astronaut writers – this was a natural extension of the 'birth from the earth' myths which were popular in ancient times.

In The Phoenix Solution, Alford noted various Egyptian texts which appeared to describe 'the fall of the sky' and the ensuing fertilisation of the earth. Drawing on the controversial work of astronomer Tom Van Flandern, he interpreted this mythological drama (which is well known also in Sumerian mythology) as a theorised (but not observed) planetary explosion [MJF: Kantek] which took place millions of years in the past. Much of Egyptian mythology, he claimed, was based on the imagined 'death and resurrection' of this long-lost planet, which was personified as a kind of creator-god.

In When The Gods Came Down, Alford extended the scope of his study to Mesopotamian and biblical mythology. In this book, he separated his own exploded planet hypothesis of myth from Van Flandern's exploded planet hypothesis of science. He argued that the Sumerian religion had been an 'exploded planet cult' and that its central myth had been encoded in tales of the gods coming down from the sky – of the deluge and the creation of man – of the wars between gods of heaven and earth – and of the sacred marriage of the god and the goddess.

In The Atlantis Secret, Alford underlined the importance of cataclysms in ancient Greek myth and suggested that the Greek gods had inherited many characteristics from the older Mesopotamian deities. He cautioned, however, that the ancients' belief in exploded planets did not require an actual explosion. Instead, he drew on the work of Victor Clube and Bill Napier to suggest that comets, fireballs and meteorites had been closely observed at the dawn of civilisation, and that the ancient sages had deduced an exploded planet, correctly or incorrectly, from first principles; the sages had then attributed the great cataclysm to the beginning of time. There is an implied criticism of Velikovsky's historicist interpretation of cataclysm myths.

While much of Alford's interpretation hinges on known parallels in Greek myth, for example Hesiod's tale of the battle between the gods and the Titans, the key to his theory is his exploration of parallels between Greek and Near Eastern myths. Drawing upon the recent work of scholars such as Walter Burkert, Martin West, and Charles Penglase, Alford suggests that the Greek poets and philosophers borrowed from their Near Eastern neighbours mythical ideas such as: the birth of the universe in a cataclysm; the fall of the sky; the lowering of 'cities' from heaven to earth; the fall of the golden age; the wars of the gods of heaven and the underworld; the fall of gods, islands and continents from heaven into the underworld or subterranean sea; the birth of all things from the earth or subterranean sea; and the idea that mythical peoples dwelt in heaven, the earth and the underworld.

 

[Benjamin]

Could these stories have really been Sumerian and Greek mythicized accounts of planets (Mars and Venus?) and comets menacing the Earth, as discussed with the C's in this excerpt from the session:
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... A: Not so much as representing cosmic forces.

I agree that Mars and Venus and their effect on Earth would be a most relevant example. But I'm just going to question for a moment what makes up a "cosmic force"? An example that comes to mind is the Hum.

Jan. 21, 1995

Q: (L) Okay, I have a bug in my system. I want to know what this humming sound is that people are hearing all over this country? I mean people have been reporting hearing this intense humming sound that literally drives them crazy. There was a TV special on about this the other night. What is this humming and where is it coming from?

A: Increased EM waves in preparation for oncoming wave

Q: (L) What is the source of this sound, I mean, where specifically, location-wise, is it coming from?

A: Cosmic.

Q: (L) Okay, it's cosmic, it's not coming from the planet itself.

Could these increased EM waves be considered a cosmic force? I don't think we know the origin of these EM waves like we would consider the like coming from the interaction of Mars, Venus, comets, supernovae, the sun, etc. Could a cosmic force be represented symbolically that was not tied to one of the already stated options? Another thought, could the TDARM have access to 'cosmic forces' being that it is powered magnetically?

 

[Sindy-S.R]

There have already been several posts about the mysterious purses depicted in ancient carvings in Mesopotamia and South America. However, these have all involved stone carvings of figures carrying them but not a purse itself. By luck, I recently came across a YouTube video which deals with the discovery of an actual stone purse in Iraq. Apologies if someone has already posted the video on this or another thread. Whether this is truly an example of the kind of purse carried by the "gods" or just a stone replica, I cannot say. It is interesting though that the purse proved to be hollow and once the lock was tripped acoustically, the purse opened up to reveal some strange cylinders containing different kinds of ancient knowledge stored on them.

I am assuming here that the discovery was genuine since the purse is apparently now on display in the Baghdad Museum along with details about the cylinders found inside it. I have not had time to research into the matter but would be interested in Forum members comments on the video. Perhaps someone could ask the C's if this is a genuine example of such a purse.

This video is very interesting, but after searching online and using AI, I couldn't find any academic or personal information about the archaeological assistant who discovered the bag, nor about Dr. Nifer.
The AI concluded that the video could be fake.
I hope someone has better luck than me and can verify if this bag actually exists.

It's a shame because this video reminds me a lot of crystal skulls and the advanced materials technology these ancient civilizations possessed.