Session 18 May 2024

[Tyomodachi]

A: Yes. Milk protein aggregates if not properly digested. A cow has several stomachs.

I suppose the closest thing to what might be called conditionally optimal would be the milk of mares and donkeys. They are not ruminants but, like us, have a single-chambered stomach. Their protein is only 40-50% of casein as in humans, unlike cows, goats and sheep which have 80-85% of protein is casein (and in absolute numbers it is 2-3 times less than in ruminants, although still 2 times more than in humans). They also have 5 times higher amount of lactoferrin than ruminants (which is at the level of human milk) and 6 times higher amount of lysozyme.

 

[Tyomodachi]

I suppose the closest thing to what might be called conditionally optimal would be the milk of mares and donkeys. They are not ruminants but, like us, have a single-chambered stomach. Their protein is only 40-50% of casein as in humans, unlike cows, goats and sheep which have 80-85% of protein is casein (and in absolute numbers it is 2-3 times less than in ruminants, although still 2 times more than in humans). They also have 5 times higher amount of lactoferrin than ruminants (which is at the level of human milk) and 6 times higher amount of lysozyme.

Galacto-oligosaccharides is a milk fibre that selectively nourishes only positive microorganisms such as bifidobacteria and is unable to nourish endotoxin producing gram-negative pathogens.
Human milk - 1–1.5% by weight
Mare milk 0,03–0,07%
Goat milk 0.02–0.04%
Sheep milk 0.02–0.03%
Cow milk 0.005–0.01%
It's very interesting that human milk contains such a huge amount of fibre.

 

[Natus Videre]

(Persej) What is the substance that Weston Price named ‘activator X’? And here's a description of the activator X: ‘He determined that neither total hours of sunshine nor temperature was the chief controlling factor' in how much activator X was present in the milk. Rather, 'the factor most potent was found to be the pasture fodder of the dairy animals. Rapidly growing grass, green or rapidly dried, was most efficient'.’ So what is this activator X?

A: Information! Note the fact that grass of a certain nature provided this. Apply that principle to foods. Studies are most often of little value because subjects are self-selecting. A truly random group is almost never seen. Weighing and measuring constituents of a substance can be indicative if the potentials of information are taken into account. This is why pork is better for advanced humans than beef or many other meats. The information of the pig is more in line with the direction of the human. The meat of the pig is composed of proteins with similar receivership capacity.

Following the logic, if we assume that the information of a human is even more compatible than the information of a pig, does that mean that if humans ate other humans, they would get even more energy from their "food"? If so, Is that what is happening in some deep, dark circles on this planet? And to push the reasoning even further, what would happen if a human ate a dead 4D STS being?

 

[taratai]

Following the logic, if we assume that the information of a human is even more compatible than the information of a pig, does that mean that if humans ate other humans, they would get even more energy from their "food"? If so, Is that what is happening in some deep, dark circles on this planet?

I'm pretty sure cannibalism causes diseases and other issues, like prions (remember mad cow disease? though i also wonder how much of that scare was genuine and how much was to reduce consumption of cow meat). So i think it's fair to say that "eating your own kind" is a taboo for a good reason.

Although, i wouldn't be surprised if for those with a strong-enough negative alignment, cannibalism would be "beneficial", because it would only further enhance their negativity. Which is what those deepest, darkest circles on this planet are striving for.

And to push the reasoning even further, what would happen if a human ate a dead 4D STS being?

Its essence would overwhelm the human's body and completely take over, effectively bringing the 4D STS back to life. XD

 

[Natus Videre]

So i think it's fair to say that "eating your own kind" is a taboo for a good reason.

This taboo is probably genetically encoded. If we analyze it from a density perspective, we can see that some animals (2D) eat other kinds of animals (2D). So intra-density predator-prey dynamics are natural. For example, lions eat antelopes. It is rare that lions eat other lions; however, food scarcity and territorial dominance may induce cannibalistic behavior. Now imagine if some other kind of 3D being was also on this planet, and that this being wouldn't trigger our "taboo senses" due to genetic differences, could this being become one of our food sources (if we managed to "dominate" it, of course, just like lions dominate antelopes)?

 

[WhiteMountain]

FYI. As to Weston Price's Activator X mentioned in this session, it is now pretty well known what is is now - Vitamin K2, discovered shortly after 2000. Basically cows will take up Vitamin K1 in NATURAL GRASS (i.e. you do not get appreciable amounts of K2 in grain fed cattle, thus the modern deficiency, among other reasons) which will be converted to Vitamin K2 in the digestive process of the cow. And you find high concentrations in grass fed butter, as well as fermented foods like natto (produced through bacteria). Vitamin K2's key function is calicum transport, transporting it from soft tissues like your arteries to your bones. So a shortage in K2 can lead to the build of arterial plaque and arteriosclerosis as well as osteoporosis. Works with Vitmain D3, K1, and Magnesium, and many believe it is the lack of K2 that leads to Vitmain D3 overdosage when one takes too much D3. I have been taking 30k IU of D3 (which many people think is too much, but a doctor in NC found in his patients when experimenting with high doses that was optimal to get various health benefits he chronicaled over the years; and in Portugal and Brazil they have been studying very high doses to treat many diseases) along with a MASSIVE does of Vitmain K2 (26000 mcg a day mostly Mk4 and less Mk7 forms) for years becaue there is reason to believe K2 can help reverse heart disease. In the Nattokinase studies the nattokinase+K2 dose was much more standard - i think in the 200 mcg or so range everyone recommends. I wished they amped the dose more.

 

[daddycat]

Following the logic, if we assume that the information of a human is even more compatible than the information of a pig, does that mean that if humans ate other humans, they would get even more energy from their "food"? If so, Is that what is happening in some deep, dark circles on this planet? And to push the reasoning even further, what would happen if a human ate a dead 4D STS being?

SPA and don't laugh.

(Ark) Yes, I have a question. From a higher point of view - not just ethics and such things - but from the higher philosophical point of view, what's really wrong with cannibalism? (L) What's really wrong with cannibalism? (Perceval) We may or may not publish this answer. [laughter]

A: In some instances, nothing. But in general one does not eat one's own kind for energetic reasons. Carnivores do not eat other carnivores because it is not optimal energy source.

Q: (L) In other words, we get optimal energy from eating creatures that eat vegetables. That way, we get our vegetables. But another carnivore processes all of that so that what we would get from eating another carnivore would not be optimal nutrition?

A: Yes.

Q: (Andromeda) But then we could eat vegetarians. [laughter]

A: Don't laugh! That has been the case for some groups at certain times and places. In fact, that is still the case in some dark circles extant on Earth today. As we once pointed out, higher density beings derive nourishment from some humans and human body products. Preferred are fat children and nonsmoking vegetarians.

 

[Persej]

A: In some instances, nothing. But in general one does not eat one's own kind for energetic reasons.

This could explain why humans are eaten by reptilians and not by humanoid types of aliens.

Q: Do you mean that 4h density STS likes particularly to eat Aryans?

A: Only the reptilian types.

Q: But, they don't like to eat Jews, is that it?

A: They most prefer children with high body fat content.

Q: What do the Orions eat?

A: Crystalline tablets, which are aspirated through oral demolecuarization.

Session 19 July 1997

And to push the reasoning even further, what would happen if a human ate a dead 4D STS being?

I would like to know what would happen if a human ate those crystalline tablets.

 

[Persej]

FYI. As to Weston Price's Activator X mentioned in this session, it is now pretty well known what is is now - Vitamin K2, discovered shortly after 2000.

It is a well-known theory, but not proven. Not a single experiment has been done to prove that theory. It is all just theoretical.

Vitamin K2 was not discovered shortly after 2000, but much before that:

In 1958, Martius and Esser (1, 2) showed that the organs of chicks fed with 2-14C–labeled menadione contained a compound that they identified as 2-14C-methyl-3-geranylgeranyl-1,4-naphthoquinone, then known as vitamin K2(20) but later renamed menaquinone (MK)–4.

https://jn.nutrition.org/article/S0022-3166(22)00589-2/fulltext

and in Portugal and Brazil they have been studying very high doses to treat many diseases) along with a MASSIVE does of Vitmain K2 (26000 mcg a day mostly Mk4 and less Mk7 forms) for years becaue there is reason to believe K2 can help reverse heart disease. In the Nattokinase studies the nattokinase+K2 dose was much more standard - i think in the 200 mcg or so range everyone recommends. I wished they amped the dose more.

And compare that amount to Weston Price's Activator X which he used as a few drops of butter oil.

 

[WhiteMountain]

It is a well-known theory, but not proven. Not a single experiment has been done to prove that theory. It is all just theoretical.

Vitamin K2 was not discovered shortly after 2000, but much before that:





And compare that amount to Weston Price's Activator X which he used as a few drops of butter oil.

Well to be fair, the reason that it cannot be proven is because Weston's whole Activator X hypothesis itself was not proven scientifically. It was a theory based on many observations, but he never carried out any scientific experiments to either PROVE it or identify the chemical itself. In such a situation, how EXACTLY would one scientifically prove they are one and the same?

The idea that Vitamin K2 = Activator X is no less proven than Activator X exists at all. Both are based on theories that match population data. But the reason the well known theory is well accepted is that the correlation makes sense combined with the lack of another compelling candidate for Activator X. Vitamin K2 is found in high concentrations in the same foods that Weston Price identified Activator X occurring in. Moreover, vitamin K2 provided the mechanism for why those behaviors would occur in terms of calcium transport - preserving bone density in the jaw and teeth and preventing arterial calcification. That is a very strong reason to believe they are one and the same thing. In fact it would be an incredible coincidence if K2 just happened to be another factor just like a separate Activator X that just happened to do the same thing and found in the same foods. The Weston Price foundation largely supports the theory that the two are the same as well, as many think think the discovery of the mechansim behind K2 was validation of Price's work.

I mispoke somewhat in saying it was discovered around 2000, the structure was discovered earlier as you pointed out, but everyone thought it served the same essential function as K1...so everyone just labeled it all as Vitamin K before then. It was not until the work was done 50 years later to discover its function in terms of calcium transport and the importance of it was really appreciated and one could make the connection with Weston Price's work to an appreciable extent.

"And compare that amount to Weston Price's Activator X which he used as a few drops of butter oil." Well apparently the corresponding dose of what he was using according to an article on westonprice.org it would have been 5.2-15.6 mcg (And compare that amount to Weston Price's Activator X which he used as a few drops of butter oil.), so what most people are taking today is a lot more. But I have not found a really compelling dose ranging study to show the optimal dose anywhere (for prevention or reversal of cardiovascular disease), particularly studies of does higher than 200 mcg, which some people have reportedly used to reverse really bad calcium scans on an anecdotal basis.

 

[Persej]

Well to be fair, the reason that it cannot be proven is because Weston's whole Activator X hypothesis itself was not proven scientifically. It was a theory based on many observations, but he never carried out any scientific experiments to either PROVE it or identify the chemical itself. In such a situation, how EXACTLY would one scientifically prove they are one and the same?

He has carried out many scientific experiments with it, but most of them haven't ended up in his book. You can find them here: Research Archives | Price-Pottenger

If one wanted to prove that K2 is the Activator X he would have to repeat Weston Price's experiments with the same amount of K2 as found in his butter oil.

The idea that Vitamin K2 = Activator X is no less proven than Activator X exists at all. Both are based on theories that match population data. But the reason the well known theory is well accepted is that the correlation makes sense combined with the lack of another compelling candidate for Activator X. Vitamin K2 is found in high concentrations in the same foods that Weston Price identified Activator X occurring in. Moreover, vitamin K2 provided the mechanism for why those behaviors would occur in terms of calcium transport - preserving bone density in the jaw and teeth and preventing arterial calcification. That is a very strong reason to believe they are one and the same thing. In fact it would be an incredible coincidence if K2 just happened to be another factor just like a separate Activator X that just happened to do the same thing and found in the same foods.

But do they match the population data? How many people in Weston Prices' studies consumed a high amount of butter? Only people in the Alps, as far as I remember. In the end, Weston Prices has chosen to focus on the diet of the Alpine people, but other people around the world were consuming many different diets, and they still all had healthy bones and teeth.

The Weston Price foundation largely supports the theory that the two are the same as well, as many think think the discovery of the mechansim behind K2 was validation of Price's work.

Yes, it makes sense why the Weston Price foundation would accept such a theory that would validate Price's work, even if it doesn't fully describe the phenomena.

Well apparently the corresponding dose of what he was using according to an article on westonprice.org it would have been 5.2-15.6 mcg, so what most people are taking today is a lot more. But I have not found a really compelling dose ranging study to show the optimal dose anywhere (for prevention or reversal of cardiovascular disease), particularly studies of does higher than 200 mcg, which some people have reportedly used to reverse really bad calcium scans on an anecdotal basis.

Yes, his doses were much smaller that what people today have to use to see some benefits if they use just K2. That is one of the reasons why K2 doesn't fully fit in. Perhaps Activator X helps K2 as well?

 

[WhiteMountain]

He has carried out many scientific experiments with it, but most of them haven't ended up in his book. You can find them here: Research Archives | Price-Pottenger

If one wanted to prove that K2 is the Activator X he would have to repeat Weston Price's experiments with the same amount of K2 as found in his butter oil.



But do they match the population data? How many people in Weston Prices' studies consumed a high amount of butter? Only people in the Alps, as far as I remember. In the end, Weston Prices has chosen to focus on the diet of the Alpine people, but other people around the world were consuming many different diets, and they still all had healthy bones and teeth.



Yes, it makes sense why the Weston Price foundation would accept such a theory that would validate Price's work, even if it doesn't fully describe the phenomena.



Yes, his doses were much smaller that what people today have to use to see some benefits if they use just K2. That is one of the reasons why K2 doesn't fully fit in. Perhaps Activator X helps K2 as well?

I am sorry you cannot carry out scientific experiments with SOMETHING you have not identified. You can say he carried out experiments with butter oil, but he did not isolate ANYTHING from it. They were butter oil experiments.

My point is, you cannot prove something is the same thing, until you identity what the thing is to begin with. You can only isolate something from that butter oil and then see if it has the same effect, and then you have your candidate for Activator X.

Now think about how Weston price would try to identify Activator X if he were a pharmacologist. He would take the butter oil and then use an HPLC or some other type of system to separate the components and then test them separately and then see which has a SIMILAR effect. It will not have the same effect because it will be in its purified form. But you will look for directionality in the effect - protection from caries, etc. And then when you find something that has largely the same effect, you can put it through a mass spec, etc. and identify the structure. Then you can do experiments with that same de novo compound for confirmation. And if you find no other compounds in the preparation that have the same effect, then you are probably certain that is activator X.

But we know K2 is present in butter oil (at least if it is grass fed). CHECK. And we know from numerous clinical studies, maybe not the EXACT design Price did, but BETTER ones there is that same general bone protective effect including a known mechanism of action (something we never had with "Activator X"). CHECK Literally if Price had access to the same resource, equipment and medical knowledge, he would probably conclude after these same experiments it was likely Activator X.

So for all intents and purposes, I think it is very highly likely that Activator X and Vitamin K2 are the same thing, or if it is not it is one of multiple Activator Xs (which I find unlikely).

"In the end, Weston Prices has chosen to focus on the diet of the Alpine people, but other people around the world were consuming many different diets, and they still all had healthy bones and teeth." Vitamin K2 is present in many other foods besides grass fed butter - natto for instance, and possibly in the healthy gut flora of certain populations not nuked with high sugar western diets. So that would explain that. But to your point, since Price never isolated Activator X, you don't know if there is an Activator X in butter population, Activator Y with a similar profile in another that does not eat butter etc. They could all be different compounds. Probably not likely. My point is you don't know that either since he never actually identified the compound.

 

[Persej]

I am sorry you cannot carry out scientific experiments with SOMETHING you have not identified. You can say he carried out experiments with butter oil, but he did not isolate ANYTHING from it. They were butter oil experiments.

You are right. Many nutritional studies done in that time were done with foods where active substances were not isolated and identified. And the official explanation for that is that they simply didn't have enough knowledge and equipment for doing that. But what if some of those things cannot be measured? What if you can only observe the effects? What if pharmacology cannot give us all the answers? What if current science is constrained by an atheistic worldview that is making her unable to observe and explain many natural phenomena? Do you believe in such possibility?

 

[WhiteMountain]

You are right. Many nutritional studies done in that time were done with foods where active substances were not isolated and identified. And the official explanation for that is that they simply didn't have enough knowledge and equipment for doing that. But what if some of those things cannot be measured? What if you can only observe the effects? What if pharmacology cannot give us all the answers? What if current science is constrained by an atheistic worldview that is making her unable to observe and explain many natural phenomena? Do you believe in such possibility?

Certainly that is possible, and there is plenty of evidence of that (Reiki, etc.). But at the same time, I like the Keep It Simple Stupid philosophy. If you discover that a compound that happens to be in the same type of protective foods and it the science provides a mechanism for both the cardiovascular and bone benefits, that satisfies the hypothesis on its own quite remarkably, there really is no reason to actively search for an alternative explanation based on metaphysics.

 

[Persej]

Certainly that is possible, and there is plenty of evidence of that (Reiki, etc.). But at the same time, I like the Keep It Simple Stupid philosophy. If you discover that a compound that happens to be in the same type of protective foods and it the science provides a mechanism for both the cardiovascular and bone benefits, that satisfies the hypothesis on its own quite remarkably, there really is no reason to actively search for an alternative explanation based on metaphysics.

Well, that is another problem with Weston Price. He focused on bone and teeth benefits but there are other benefits that I am not sure if they could all be explained with K2, such as fertility and easy delivery. Also killing bacteria in saliva.

Other scientists from that period focused on other things and I couldn't see that K2 was a proper explanation for things that they were seeing.

So yeah, if you focus just on Weston Price and just on things that he was focused on, you can be satisfied with the K2 explanation. But if you decide to go further than that, that explanation becomes unsatisfying. Well, at least that's my stance on that.