Session 2 January 1999

Laura

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January 2, 1999

Ark, Laura, Frank, later, “Blue Resonant Human” via telephone

Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Siannah.

Q: And where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea.

{Personal family related questions redacted.}

Q: {…} Okay. I have had a couple of dreams lately. In one we received a 22,000-dollar check from {Ark’s employer} because they wanted to buy Ark out of the remainder of his contract. In the other, we got a LOT of money, from some unknown source that seemed to be something like an inheritance. Can you comment on either of these dreams?

A: There may be more money for you, but no need to speculate upon the possible sources.

Q: I was just concerned about this thing with {the employer}. They strike me as a bizarre bunch of people …

A: All corporations are ultimately linked to the same source, either directly or indirectly.

{Family questions redacted.}

Q: Well, let me get to some of these other questions. Previously you said that the central thing about the Nordic Covenant was that there were bloodlines that extend off the planet. From what I understand, all humans on the planet have bloodlines that extend off the planet. In what sense did you mean this about the Nordic Covenant; that the bloodlines extend off the planet?

A: Not all so recent, not all so “pure.”

Q: In the sense of recent, how recent do you mean?

A: Speculate, using your transcripts.

Q: I am reading some books about the various members of these families that were involved in all these strange things back in the 12th century. What I would like to know is, were all of these people as licentious and corrupt as these books make them out to be?

A: No.

Q: Well, the awful stuff that gets written about incest, sexual abuse of young girls, and all kinds of really dreadful behavior among these people – Henry II was actually at war against his own sons and kept his wife in prison for years – it just makes one ashamed to be connected to these disgusting people! But, you are saying that this is an incorrect portrayal?

A: No, “people” are always dubious form some perspective or another.

Q: Why is there a legend that the King of the Franks could heal with the touch of his hand?

A: So can you.

Q: As in anybody?

A: Close, if you have the knowledge …

Q: I am inferring from what you are saying that the Franks had knowledge of some order, passed down through the royal families, or the kings …

A: On an individual basis, it has always been thus.

Q: On a couple of occasions when you have made the remark ‘it is not germaine,’ using that peculiar spelling, did you mean that it was not only NOT German, but also NOT French?

A: Maybe.

Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man … and you said ‘if viewed through sheets of rain.’ So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun … the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?

A: In an offhand way.

Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about ‘sheets of rain?’

A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice.

Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

A: Wait and see!

Q: Okay, now, enough of that. Onto this alien book {title: “The Ultimate Alien Agenda”}. It seems to be almost a point-by-point refutation of some of the things you have told us. At the same time, it is very revealing. This guy says that ‘alien scientists have developed an array of human programs or life orientations which they use to create human hybrids. I was programmed to serve others, and most of my life has been devoted to service as a public official, educator, and psychic counselor. My life exemplifies one category of alien programming.’ Is it a fact that the Reptoid aliens are making a bunch of hybrids to ‘serve others.’

A: No.

Q: Another thing he talks about is the underground laboratory, and he has a terrible time trying to speak about it because of the pains in his head. He finally gets to the point where he admits that part of the human ‘engineering’ project, part of what they are doing with the embryos they create by harvesting human eggs and sperm, is that they use them for ‘nourishment.’ Naturally, he is aghast at this admission from his own memory. And somehow he just glosses over it. Is this true? That some human embryos are being created to provide nourishment for aliens?

A: In a sense.

Q: He never comes back to this specifically, except to vaguely state that the vats and body parts and all that, which are reported by many eye-witnesses, are merely ‘symbolic’ imagery to teach us how unimportant the body is … Can you comment?

A: Not necessary.

Q: He further says that the Reptoid aliens have been increasing human intelligence for these many thousands of years with the intention of letting go and leaving us on our own. The Reptoids are going to pull out soon, because they just came to help us evolve, and now we are at the stage we can take charge of things ourselves … Have the Reptoids been increasing human intelligence? Is this part of their agenda?

A: Perhaps, but the agenda is not as stated.

Q: Okay, he says, “I wonder if the current relationship between humans and aliens may be analogous to the abolition of slavery in America. Freedom arises when people accept others rather than being afraid of them or trying to control them. We may be learning to accept a technologically advanced interdimensional race, and the aliens may be trying to transform us into compatible neighbors. Perhaps humans and aliens will become more alike as time passes and our two dimensions will become increasingly integrated. They are now allowing us to discover this information. I believe the aliens are getting ready to reveal who they are, but first they are helping us to discover who we are. Aliens may be programming human hybrids like myself to learn through self-discovery and self-acceptance, and we are likely to learn more about them as we discover ourselves. Important information about them may be archived in our minds or implanted in our bodies. To retrieve the information, we must learn to express the interdimensional aspects of our being. In other words, we must integrate our human and interdimensional selves and learn to function in both worlds. I believe this is how we will eventually establish two-way communication with our alien creators, and learn to coexist with them.” Blah-blah-blah. Then he says that he was created from the genetic material and soul essences of three separate individuals. Comments please.

A: No need.

Q: Well, yeah. All of these things have already been covered, which is why it was so interesting to see such different explanations for the same observations. He says that his “image is being used to tell people: wake up human hybrids! It’s time to accept your interdimensional identity. It’s time to discover your Reptilian heritage and fulfill your mission!” YUCK! Then he talks about the sexual aspect of abduction. He wondered why it occurs so frequently.

A: This is not germaine.

Q: And there is that funny word again! But, he thinks there is a link between the frequency of human sexuality and Reptilian intelligence … he thinks that “this could explain why people so often perceive aliens and their messengers in sexual roles. So many abductees report having sexual experiences, in fact sexuality is a common theme of all alien abduction experiences. Could sexual stimulation be part of the methodology of alien intelligence?” Could it?

A: And the “playboy channel” originates on Zeta Reticuli!

Q: Okay, I am done. (A) My first question is: I was thinking about what could be the optimal situation for us, for me to work and to proceed, and I decided that the best situation is to have a lot of money, so that we are independent. So, I started to think about how to make a lot of money, and it came to me that the best thing is to get the Nobel Prize next year. So, I started to think about how to get a Nobel Prize, and the best possibility is through computing this Fine Structure Constant. This is in my reach, and it can be done in one year, and it is safe to get a Nobel Prize for this. Am I hallucinating here?

A: Your goals are reachable, but the Nobel Prize is politically charged.

Q: (L) Yes, but it gives sufficient influence that one can do what one likes, and it certainly is not the money that you get as the prize that is so significant, as it is the offers you get after you have it that are significant. I don’t think that, in and of itself, it is such a huge amount of dough. It is a chunk of change, but not to set one up for life unless one is very frugal and careful. (F) One bar of soap every nine months. (L) It will buy more than that! (F) I am just saying that if you have to be that frugal … to be set for life … (A) I am confused. If it is politically charged, this means it is not the optimal way of optimizing the situation.

A: Optimal way is nonexistent. But, investing one’s earnings helps.

Q: (L) Investing in what?

A: Wide array of options.

Q: (L) Well, when we get some earnings to invest, we will discuss it, unless there is something you want to say now.

A: Money shall not be a problem, as we have stated previously. We told Laura that her situation would improve …

Q: (L) I suppose that the ‘…’ refers to the psychomantium?

A: No, it refers to other things, too.

Q: (A) Next question: I have become active on the internet and came in contact with a fellow by the name of {name redacted}, who proposes some kind of collaboration. So, I am supposed to help him and he says that we shall apply for a grant from NSF to work on faster-than-light communication. Is this a good idea? Or …

A: Pursue with caution and patience.

Q: (A) Is that a way of saying to go with this idea?

A: ?

Q: (L) I would say, caution and patience means don’t move too fast.

A: But not “do not move.”

Q: (A) Are we on the right track with our public activities? Are we not making mistakes in this discussion with these scientology types?

A: Be careful about being over-eager to share the information you receive in this communication too widely.

Q: (L) We are being careful. Where this communication is concerned, we have only shared some philosophical things. I don’t think we have …

A: It is you, my dear, that gives us some concern. This will not be a pathway to “fame and fortune,” unless and until it is balanced.

Q: (A) Which communication are we not supposed to share, Cassiopaean?

A: Yes, but we did not say: do not share. We mean to be careful. Snakes in the grass lurketh.

{“Blue Resonant Human” joins via telephone.}

Q: (BRH) I believe I found the right place at Polomar. Is it?

A: Yes.

Q: (BRH) What is the best day and time to go to Palomar?

A: The day is not important, but the hour is best after sunset without prejudice.

Q: (BRH) Does that mean any time at night or specifically at sunset time?

A: Any time at night.

Q: (BRH) Would it be best if I crawled under the fence and had a look at the little lakes there?

A: That is okay, but be careful of your footing!

Q: (BRH) Do you have any other suggestions? I am open to all.

A: Why not bring binoculars?

Q: (L) A camera, too. (A) Infrared. (BRH) Is there anything else you want to say on that subject before we bring it to a close?

A: Ask specific questions, please.

Q: (BRH) Am I talking to a lawyer this time?

A: A lawyer has a meter which is always running. We do not. Did you find the rock?

Q: (BRH) I think so. Did I?

A: You will know, others have.

Q: (BRH) What others?

A: No, no, not yet.

Q: (BRH) So, you are not going to tell me, is that it?

A: Yes, that is it.

Q: [Tape end, question lost. Notes indicate that it was something about Jack Parsons.]

A: Open.

Q: (BRH) What is the significance of the rock?

A Well, maybe it has something to do with energy vectors … Now Dev, you must also know that Palomar is also connected to the activities of those who have controlled your realm for what you would perceive to be thousands of years, as you measure time. But while this is obviously important for a variety of reasons, it is good enough for you to know of this to be protected.

Q: (BRH) Well, that was on my mind. (L) Mine, too. (BRH) Is there anything else I need to know to be protected?

A: Just know that this locator is oriented the way that it is for a reason.

Q: (BRH) Does the military or the intelligence network know of the significance of that place or the rock?

A: Well, now have we not opened a can of worms here? First of all, the “military intelligence network,” and the “government” are not existent in the way that they are presented.

Q: (BRH) How should I respond to this statement about the military? (L) Well, there is a bunch of stuff in other sessions, so I would try to read it all before asking more questions in that regard. (BRH) Who else knows about this place? And what was the significance of the enormous gate that looked as though it was made to allow huge vehicles to pass?

A: Oh now we have hit upon something here, have we not? The gate has a sloping curve. Hmmm … would it not be nice to know where that leads?

Q: (L) How can a gate have a sloping curve? (BRH) Just past the gate, the road curves and slopes downward. (L) Well, if you go looking, don’t step on any landmines! (BRH) Are you joking? (F) Semi. But, beware of electronic sensors. Remember, ‘watch your footing.’ When your eyes finally get opened to all that is going on all around you, right under your nose, you will be amazed. But, when you finally discover that you are nothing more than a marionette hanging from some strings, you want to kick the other marionettes and say ‘look at those strings!’ And all they ever want to do is dance and think they are doing the dancing. (BRH) Is there anything that can cause bodily injury there – landmines or whatever?

A: Lack of caution can cause bodily injury. But then again, 3rd density is ultimately dangerous to one’s body!

Q: (F) As long as you are aware and you use caution, you’ll be okay. (BRH) Who else is aware of the significance of this place?

A: Many.

Q: (F) Well, it is amazing. I just never thought of Palomar as anything other than an observatory. God knows what is going on underground there - or anywhere, for that matter. (BRH) Have I ever been abducted?

A: That will not be answered at this juncture, as the information would not be useful, until the questioner has discovered one more piece to the puzzle relating to “Berkeley.”

Q: (BRH) Regarding the alleged implant in my back, I am considering having it removed. Is this a wise choice?

A: No.

Q: (BRH) Is it a good idea to possibly bring Dr. Alexander in on this stuff?

A: Only when it has been determined what benefit would be served by all concerned.

Good night.

End of Session
 

Polonel

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I'm a little puzzled by this session... Who is "Blue Resonant Human" ? What is the context of this phone call ?
 

batty76

Jedi
I'm with you Polonel. This is a weird session for me. Are we missing stuff? This session was transcripted in 1999, well before my searching began :huh:
I will await further duscussion. Thank you Laura and team :halo:
 

Kaigen

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Hi, me too.
What kind of stone was he looking for, very interesting

and one more thing

A: Optimal way is nonexistent. But, investing one's earnings helps.

Q: (L) Investing in what?

A: Wide array of options.
I remember in 1999 this information would be a great help.
I was investing in one particular point and lost most after a while.
 

Laura

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"Blue Resonant Human" aka Density4 on newsgroups. Tragic story of a first rate researcher who did not take 4D STS and its powers into account. Probably Johnno can give more info about him as I think he archived BRH's entire website which was the most informative compendium of about everything interesting on the internet for a few years.
 

Possibility of Being

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Polonel said:
I'm a little puzzled by this session... Who is "Blue Resonant Human" ? What is the context of this phone call ?
Why not to use the search function? See if this and/or this can help a bit. :)

--
Added later: Oops! I'd swear Laura's reply wasn't there when I was posting mine...
 

celtic

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Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man... and you said 'if viewed through sheets of rain.' So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun... the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?

A: In an offhand way.

Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about 'sheets of rain?'

A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice.

Q: Where and WHAT chalice?
I am reading the grail quest 5 and Luara qoutes Riane Eisler book "Chalice and The Blade". And discusses the influence goddess religion had on ancient societies. And how it change from representing peace and unity or partnership, to male dominance and association with the serpent. So, maybe this is what the Cassiopaeans were referring to.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/grail_5.htm


Riane Eisler writes in her revelatory work, The Chalice and The Blade:

"Why do we hunt and persecute each other? Why is our world so full of man's infamous inhumanity to man - and to woman? How can human beings be so brutal to their own kind? What is it that chronically tilts us toward cruelty rather than kindness, toward war rather than peace, toward destruction rather than actualization?

"Of all life-forms on this planet, only we can plant and harvest fields, compose poetry and music, seek truth and justice, teach a child to read and write - or even laugh and cry. Because of our unique ability to imagine new realities and realize these through ever more advanced technologies, we are quite literally partners in our own evolution. And yet, this same wondrous species of ours now seems bent on putting an end not only to its own evolution, but to that of most life on our globe, threatening our planet with ecological catastrophe or nuclear annihilation.

"...Socialists and communists assert that the root of our problems is capitalism; capitalists insist socialism and communism are leading us to ruin. Some argue our troubles are due to our 'industrial paradigm,' that our 'scientific worldview' is to blame. Still others blame humanism, feminism, and even secularism, pressing for a return to the 'good old days' of a smaller, simpler, more religious age.

"Yet, if we look at ourselves - as we are forced to by television or the grim daily ritual of the newspaper at breakfast- we see how capitalist, socialist, and communist nations alike are enmeshed in the arms race and all the other irrationalities that threaten both us and our environment. And if we look at our past - at the routine massacres by Huns, Romans, Vikings, and Assyrians or the cruel slaughters of the Christian Crusades and Inquisition - we see there was even more violence and injustice in the smaller, prescientific, preindustrial societies that came before us.

"Since going backward is not the answer, how do we move forward?"

"...We are all familiar with legends about an earlier, more harmonious and peaceful age. The Bible tells of a garden where woman and man lived in harmony with each other and nature - before a male god decreed that woman henceforth be subservient to man. The Chinese Tao Te Ching describes a time when the yin, or feminine principle, was not yet ruled by the male principle, or yang, a time when the wisdom of the mother was still honored and followed above all. The ancient Greek poet Hesiod wrote of a 'golden race' who tilled the soil in 'peaceful ease' before a 'lesser race' brought in their god of war. But though scholars agree that in many respects these works are based on prehistoric events, references to a time when women and men lived in partnership have traditionally been viewed as no more than fantasy.

"When archaeology was still in its infancy, the excavations of Heinrich and Sophia Schliemann helped establish the reality of Homer's Troy. Today new archaeological excavations, coupled with reinterpretations of older digs using more scientific methods, reveal that stories such as our expulsion from the Garden of Eden also derive from earlier realities...

"Further verifying that there were ancient societies organized very differently from ours are the many otherwise inexplicable images of the Deity as female in ancient art, myth, and even historical writings. Indeed, the idea of the universe as an all-giving Mother has survived (albeit in modified form) into our time. In China, the female deities Ma Tsu and Kuan Yin are still widely worshipped as beneficent and compassionate goddesses. ...Similarly, the veneration of Mary, the Mother of God, is widespread. Although in Catholic theology, she is demoted to non-divine status, her divinity is implicitly recognized by her appellation Mother of God as well as by the prayers of millions who daily seek her compassionate protection and solace. Moreover, the story of Jesus' birth, death and resurrection bears a striking resemblance to those of earlier 'mystery cults' revolving around a Divine Mother and her son or, as in the worship of Demeter and Kore, her daughter.

"Of course it makes eminent sense that the earliest depiction of divine power in human form should have been female rather than male. When our ancestors began to ask the eternal qauestions, they must have noted that life emerges from the body of a woman. It would have been natural for them to image the universe as an all-giving Mother from whose womb all life emerges and to which, like the cycles of vegetation, it returns after death to be again reborn. It also makes sense that societies with this image of the powers that govern the universe would have a very different social structure from societies that worship a divine Father who wields a thunderbolt and/or sword. It further seems logical that women would not be seen as subservient in societies that conceptualized the powers governing the universe in female form - and the 'effeminate' qualities such as caring, compassion, and nonviolence would be highly valued in these societies. What does NOT make sense is to conclude that societies in which men did not dominate women were societies in which women dominated men.

"Nonetheless, when the first evidence of such societies was unearthed in the nineteenth century, it was concluded that they must have been 'matriarchal.' Then, when the evidence did not seem to support this conclusion, it again became customary to argue that human society always was - and always will be - dominated by men. But if we free ourselves from the prevailing models of reality, it is evident that there is another logical alternative: that there can be societies in which difference is not necessarily equated with inferiority or superiority." [Eisler, 1987] (emphasis, mine)
 

EmeraldHope

The Living Force
Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man... and you said 'if viewed through sheets of rain.' So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun... the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?A: In an offhand way.Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about 'sheets of rain?'A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice. Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

This may be a really silly question, but it has been bugging me. Is it possible that the Isle of Man refernce viewed through sheets of rain here is the I'll of Man, or the I WILL of man?

edit-spelling
 

bngenoh

The Living Force
Daenerys said:
Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man... and you said 'if viewed through sheets of rain.' So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun... the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?A: In an offhand way.Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about 'sheets of rain?'A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice. Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

This may be a really silly question, but it has been bugging me. Is it possible that the Isle of Man refernce viewed through sheets of rain here is the I'll[/b] if Man, or the I WILL of man?

Interesting interpretation Daenerys, as I am transubstantiating for myself everyday, "the architects of our languages, left clues" a plenty indeed.
 

EmeraldHope

The Living Force
bngenoh said:
Daenerys said:
Q: So, we are back to something else. I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man... and you said 'if viewed through sheets of rain.' So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun... the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?A: In an offhand way.Q: Anything further you can tell me in terms of a clue about 'sheets of rain?'A: Not for now, when you get there, you will find the chalice. Q: Where and WHAT chalice?

This may be a really silly question, but it has been bugging me. Is it possible that the Isle of Man refernce viewed through sheets of rain here is the I'll[/b] if Man, or the I WILL of man?
Interesting interpretation Daenerys, as I am transubstantiating for myself everyday, "the architects of our languages, left clues" a plenty indeed.

Interesting and fun! My brain has started to go nuts on the word play lately, lol. What is interesting with this particular thing here also is, "sheets of rain " can be looked at two ways also from an etymology perspective that would sorta go with the two faces of the goddess and the WILL of man:


1. Sheets ( sea) dark surface of moon- Rain ( meteors)
2. Sheets ( sea) Dan, mare,mother - Rain (mask) (and also reign)
 

bngenoh

The Living Force
Daenerys said:
Interesting and fun! My brain has started to go nuts on the word play lately, lol. What is interesting with this particular thing here also is, "sheets of rain " can be looked at two ways also from an etymology perspective that would sorta go with the two faces of the goddess and the WILL of man:
My brain has been on a word pun spree for a little while now, it is very amusing really. The richness of everything and it all being a matter of perception, it's so simply hilarious.

As to this:
Daenerys said:
1. Sheets ( sea) dark surface of moon- Rain ( meteors)
2. Sheets ( sea) Dan, mare,mother - Rain (mask) (and also reign)
All I can say is hmmm......but..... I can't resist :lol: In terms of reign, we have it in the context of reigning in the horses (emotions), that fits in with your interpretation of the will of man. In order to reign in horses, one must be controlled, disciplined, and most important of all, know thy horses. :lol: Clues a plenty, clues a plenty.

Also, reign as in one(s) who reigns over a given sector.
 

transientP

Jedi Council Member
hmm.. i've thought that "sheets of rain" could be alluding to Icebergs

mainly because of this remark:

Q: Well, how could that be? What caused these glaciers?

A: Global warming.

Q: How does global warming cause glaciers?

A: Increases precipitation dramatically. Then moves the belt of great precipitation much farther north. This causes rapid buildup of ice sheets, followed by increasingly rapid and intense glacial rebound.
now, how that fits into The Triple Goddess imagery relating to the Isle of Man..

[.. ]I once asked about the Third Man Theme and that perhaps you meant that the imagery was that of the Triple Goddess relating to the Isle of Man... and you said 'if viewed through sheets of rain.' So, in this book that I am reading, it talks about the fact that the Celts of Gaul worshipped the Rain as the manifestation of the Goddess, and the Celts of Scotland worshipped the Sun... the male God. Does this relate in any way to this remark you made about sheets of rain?
A: In an offhand way.
Possibly meaning, if taken from a frozen point of view ?

Or that these are "layers" of the same thing, similar to the way Glaciers are made up of "sheets of rain" ?

There's definitely an interesting clue here, and it seems to be very symbolic, especially because of the reply: "in an offhand way"
 

transientP

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... and another thing:

when you view something through water ("rain") what you are viewing is refracted light. light enters into the transparent medium, gets diverted and leaves at an angle that is not 180 degrees to its entry.

so "viewed through sheets of rain" taken as the "layered water forming Icebergs", for example, could be pointing towards the phenomenon of Refraction.

Not only is it possible to "see" something at a very different point to where it actually exists; In fact, in 3D we Never see anything where it actually exists. Air has a refractive index as well. Though much less distortion occurs through air than through water.

Also by the time we perceive something, it is not in the state in which it is perceived anymore. i.e. the time it takes for light to travel through / bounce off a medium into our visual sensing organs, processed by the brain and presented as a meaningful image.

this could be an insight into these remarks.. or maybe i've gone off at a tangent here .. :rolleyes:

Ideas anyone ?
 

bngenoh

The Living Force
transientP said:
when you view something through water ("rain") what you are viewing is refracted light. light enters into the transparent medium, gets diverted and leaves at an angle that is not 180 degrees to its entry.

so "viewed through sheets of rain" taken as the "layered water forming Icebergs", for example, could be pointing towards the phenomenon of Refraction.

Not only is it possible to "see" something at a very different point to where it actually exists; In fact, in 3D we Never see anything where it actually exists. Air has a refractive index as well. Though much less distortion occurs through air than through water.

Also by the time we perceive something, it is not in the state in which it is perceived anymore. i.e. the time it takes for light to travel through / bounce off a medium into our visual sensing organs, processed by the brain and presented as a meaningful image.

[...]

Ideas anyone ?
Considering that this line of thinking is a result of the third man theme, a symbolic interpretation makes sense to me. Layers of meaning or shades of meaning, in order to recognize a layer or shade, one must have a reference, perhaps your "frozen point of view" is the reference? It reminds me of "stopping the world" ala Don Juan.

Was I clear?
 

transientP

Jedi Council Member
Bngenoh,

yes quite.

"Stopping the World" would certainly allow for a completely different nature of perception types.

One might feel there's still more to this, I continue thinking about the "sheets of rain" symbolism
 
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