Session 21 September 2024

[Aiming]

Well this is touchy for sure.
What about protecting children with nicotine?
I certainly don’t want to encourage my 11 year old to smoke, but she out of everyone at home is the most sensitive and weak in immune response, I have considered putting a patch on her for may be just an hour a day. Is that crazy?

I dunno, I'd hesitate to give a child nicotine without doing more research - which would be hard to find, as I'm guessing there isn't much objective data on child smoking or child use of nicotine.

As far as I know, nicotine is addictive, and giving it to a kid or a baby may mess with their psychological and neurological development. I think one could protect them in other ways, such as good nutrition, passing along knowledge, supplements, exercise, etc. Then let them choose nicotine if they want later in life. Or give them a pack of nice smokes for their 13th birthday or something.

For what it's worth, I've perused some of my notes from Dr. Klinghardt's video lectures and found something on the therapeutic application of nicotine patches for long covid patients, and also for children with ADHD or hyperactivity in autism.

He first explains that nicotine has systemic anti-inflammatory effects on the body and has a direct blocking effect on the Covid-19 virus, i.e. nicotine blocks its entry and proliferation and that using nicotine patches activates the anti-inflammatory system in the body (and mentions acetylcholine, receptors, certain pathways etc.)

He goes on to explain that if a person has been in a sympathetic overdrive for a long time then they react very sensitively to nicotine patches. With those patients, he starts with 3,5mg per day on a hairless patch of skin, mainly on the back.

If the patient has no side effects, he raises the dose to 7mg for about 1-2 weeks. At this point many of his patients are already feeling really well on many levels: their brain starts working again, their sleep is normalizing, emotions are normalizing, erectile dysfunctions and lack of libido vanish. So when a plateau is reached on 7mg, he increases the dose to 14mg.

This step-by-step process is important, as increasing the dose too quickly has patients experience emetic effects and all the typical symptoms of overstimulation of the vagus. Thus, increasing slowly is the way to go and he encourages therapists to include nicotine in their treatment.

He also mentions two studies that show that nicotine patches are also safe for chronic heart diseases; nicotine showed no negative effects in blood pressure, pulse, heart rate.

He mentions his past treatment with nicotine patches in colitis ulcerosa (6-7mg per day for a couple of weeks) and found that colitis can be brought to a standstill very effectively.

Another well responding illness to nicotine patches is pulmonary sarcoidosis. He explains how nowadays it is known that pulmonary sarcoidosis is caused by borrelia in the lymph nodes within the lungs and in his experience, treatment with nicotine has always been useful here.

Now on to ADHD and hyperactivity in autistic children. He's been using nicotine patches as an integral part of treatment since 2008 in his practice. With children with ADHD and hyperactivity in autism, he starts with 7mg. It's important, he notes, to put the patch on the back between the shoulder blades, as the patches tend to itch and burn a little at the beginning. He speaks of a "dramatic" effect after only a couple of days: kids previously out of control become "sane" again.

As to nicotine's addictive potential he comments that he's been searching for studies, but found that nobody seems to know about that. In his own practice, he and his team found that none of the patients treated with nicotine patches developed any addiction to nicotine.

So, for what it's worth.

 

[Aiming]

Addendum @Fluffy: I didn't mean to imply using nicotine patches on children in general, but meant to point out that apparently, from what I know, they're only used for above mentioned specific conditions.

 

[Fluffy]

Addendum @Fluffy: I didn't mean to imply using nicotine patches on children in general, but meant to point out that apparently, from what I know, they're only used for above mentioned specific conditions.

we have recently done a sensitivity test and the kid I was thinking to use patches on has come back with high reactivity to nicotine, poor thing, nature can be so nasty. I don’t know what this means if she decides to try it in the future, I suppose we’ll find out or not.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

He goes on to explain that if a person has been in a sympathetic overdrive for a long time then they react very sensitively to nicotine patches. With those patients, he starts with 3,5mg per day on a hairless patch of skin, mainly on the back.

I've been reading some testimony of long covid patients who say they got their sense of smell back with the nicotine patches. I'm considering trying it, however, the lowest I can find is 7 mg and I have read on several sites NOT to cut them up because it can release all the nicotine at once.

 

[Evan]

I've been reading some testimony of long covid patients who say they got their sense of smell back with the nicotine patches. I'm considering trying it, however, the lowest I can find is 7 mg and I have read on several sites NOT to cut them up because it can release all the nicotine at once.

I’ve been prescribed Nucynta (trapentadol) patches for chronic pain in the past, and they warn in big block bold letters absolutely under no circumstances should they be cut because that can lead to a fatal overdose. I presume nicotine patches would be the same. Cutting them releases everything at once, because the patch itself acts as a barrier/time release.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I’ve been prescribed Nucynta (trapentadol) patches for chronic pain in the past, and they warn in big block bold letters absolutely under no circumstances should they be cut because that can lead to a fatal overdose. I presume nicotine patches would be the same. Cutting them releases everything at once, because the patch itself acts as a barrier/time release.

It makes sense, but I joined a nicotine patch group and they all cut theirs and seem to think I'm crazy for questioning it.

 

[nicoleblalonde]

It makes sense, but I joined a nicotine patch group and they all cut theirs and seem to think I'm crazy for questioning it.

I’ve been doing the nicotine patches for almost 2 weeks. I got 7mg patches. The first time I put half of one on and felt very dizzy after about an hour. I cut them in 4 so 1.75mg which I did for 5 days and now I’m on half a patch which is 3.5mg. No dizziness or nausea now. I’m thinking of trying a full 7mg patch tomorrow and see how I feel.

 

[Bernardo GA]

I've been reading some testimony of long covid patients who say they got their sense of smell back with the nicotine patches. I'm considering trying it, however, the lowest I can find is 7 mg and I have read on several sites NOT to cut them up because it can release all the nicotine at once.

I am not familiar with these patches, but I am thinking that if the substance in these patches is absorbed by the body gradually, not all at once, the 7mg of a patch is supposed to be released in a certain amount of hours already estimated.

If so, let's say for example that that estimated time is 8 hours but, you take the patch off 4 hours after you put it on.
I wonder if that way you can receive the dose of approximately 3.5mg instead of the full 7mg of the patch.

I don't know if that could be an alternative in case you can't get lower dose patches, suitable for starting treatment.
Maybe this solution is not viable for some reason I don't know, maybe it is a good option, that's why I raise it as a question.

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[Aiming]

I'm considering trying it, however, the lowest I can find is 7 mg and I have read on several sites NOT to cut them up because it can release all the nicotine at once.

I’ve been prescribed Nucynta (trapentadol) patches for chronic pain in the past, and they warn in big block bold letters absolutely under no circumstances should they be cut because that can lead to a fatal overdose. I presume nicotine patches would be the same. Cutting them releases everything at once, because the patch itself acts as a barrier/time release.

Thanks for bringing it up, forgot to mention that part. Klinghardt at least does indeed recommend to cut up the 7mg patches in order to start with the 3,5mg dose. I don't have any experience with it myself, so fwiw.

 

[nicklebleu]

Another tidbit about patches I read somewhere recently that I found interesting (Disclaimer: I’ve never used them myself): Apparently many people experience itchiness at the patch site, no matter where they put them. But apparently, if you put them on the soles of your feet, there is usually no itching there.

Just thought I would throw that in here, in case someone using a patch has this issue.

 

[nicoleblalonde]

Another tidbit about patches I read somewhere recently that I found interesting (Disclaimer: I’ve never used them myself): Apparently many people experience itchiness at the patch site, no matter where they put them. But apparently, if you put them on the soles of your feet, there is usually no itching there.

Just thought I would throw that in here, in case someone using a patch has this issue.

Yesterday was my first day using a full sized 7mg patch after building up tolerance over a couple weeks.
Yes the patch causes a bit of burning itchiness for a couple minutes when first applied but then goes away. I didn’t find it intolerable.
I have not tried it on my feet. I usually put it just under the collar bone on either the right or left side.

 

[Voyageur]

Q: (L) Okay. [Reading Keit's question]. People were getting some kind of mysterious disease in New Brunswick, Canada.

(Gaby) A Zombie disease.

(Andromeda) I remember reading about it a couple of years ago.

(L) Can you tell us anything about the zombie disease?

A: Microbial passage of manipulated genome. Bioweapon. Can be passed by ticks.

Q: (Joe) Stay out of the garden.

(L) Well, and they don't have any cure, right? I don't see anything here saying anything about a cure.

(Joe) No, it wasn't a lot of people.

(Andromeda) Weren't there some animals as well? Animals and people. I can't remember exactly.

(Gaby) Maybe some deer.

(Joe) Yeah, deer.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) There was no mystery illness, they just…

(Joe) They just test the odd bioweapon now and again, on a limited release.

(L) Yeah, I guess so.

Something came out today in the Not The CBC, where the author, Chris Lambie, brings out something very curious.

That mystery brain disease plaguing people in New Brunswick? A new study finds it's not real

Instead of neurological syndrome of unknown cause, common conditions were identified in the cases examined including brain injury and cancer

nationalpost.com

What comes out is a new study that "is questioning the existence of "an alleged 'mystery neurological illness" that emerged in New Brunswick six years ago."

This came out in JAMA (with link).

The study writes the mystery off et cetera, especially, it says, based on the 11 autopsy cases.

Backing up, we have Dr. Alier Marrero who is very much aware of hundreds of patients who exhibited all kinds of problems, wherein It states that "many of them were under the age of 45."

Now the JAMA study was conducted by a Dr. Anthony Lang, who more or less poo pooed the mystery of it all - nothing to see here, move along, type. Moreover, he slights the other neurologists in the community who say otherwise, and here is where it gets interesting:

Dr. Marrero, fist mentioned above, said that he was "appalled that a parallel investigation with a small number of patients has apparently been conducted for a long time, without our knowledge or our patients and families knowledge."

Continuing, Marrero then said "in profound disagreement with the study conclusions and (has) many questions regarding the methods and the content, including cases never evaluated by us or that might have not been part of this cluster."

Going back to Lang, the author notes that "all of the patients in the new study were originally diagnosed by Marrero. "We stand behind our findings 100 per cent," Lang said."

Something is fishy.

This goes on pointing out how the provinces premier was looking to Public Health (Federal) for further investigations, and an "oversight committee" need be appointed - yet study findings, again, looking at it as 'cluster' misdiagnosis.

This article said that there are greater than 500 cases with 50 people who died.

The overall theme (at least in the article) is to push the word misdiagnosis and wrap it around misinformation and add in social media playing on vulnerable people and the need for our "trusted physicians" to be believed (covid-19 is added).

Dr. Marrero was never mentioned or quoted again, and it became that we held the 'gold standard' et cetera in their study of the 11 patients.



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