Session 23 August 2025

[EmeraldR]

@Mrs. Peel @Musicinventor

The C’s said in response to Musicinventor’s question about emotions that it might help to follow a different artistic direction.

My instant and gut response to this exchange was the idea that Musicinventor’s music is progressive and complex, with unconventional time signatures and tonal modulations. But when irjO asked about types of music that might be beneficial for creating a relaxed state, the C’s said “pentatonic scale”, which for a composer of music might be regarded as the simplest of pallets to paint from.

So I just thought that maybe Musicinventor should consider the idea that simplifying his works and focusing more on the deep feelings that can be accessed through the simple relationship between two intervals - themselves taken from a simplified scale - might be the way to go.

I’m sure Musicinventor will understand if I reference the progression in the history of jazz, where bebop - which was extremely complicated and difficult to play, the reason for which has been explained in terms of wanting jazz as an art form and the musicians who played it, to gain respect and kudos from the more traditional musical establishment - lead to Miles Davis exploring the impact that a single note can make on a listener, culminating in the pieces he arranged for the “Kind of Blue” sessions, which were the antithesis of bebop.

Maybe this isn’t at all in line with what takes Musicinventor’s breath away, but I just wanted to share that idea, anyway.

Hi Mrs Peel and Music inventor - along the pentatonic music/sound lines here are some links to chinese tradtional music in relation to the 5 elements-(foundation of tradtional chinese healing)

Youre in my thoughts and prayers

the music is all tradtional -not new agey and is played by

Shanghai Chinese Traditional Music Orchestra​

recorded back in 1991 !


wood-liver network ----

Metal element (-lungs ,immune system ,colon large intestine).-----

Fire element (heart,blood circulation etc)---------------https://youtu.be/_rBaFapMblM?feature=shared

heres a link for the whole collection if you wish to stream etc them by purchase-----https://www.allmusic.com/album/yi-ching-music-for-health-5-earth-mw0000382604

 

[Musicinventor]

I thank you all for your interpretations of the C’s comments. When asked "what takes your breath away" I was like a deer in the headlights. Immediately I thought of several things with music as the quick answer. There are musical works that do take my breath away whenever I listen to them. I also would have added a great Delmonico steak med. rare, a beautiful woman (i.e. Mrs. Peel), a great sounding stereo system, or an awesome hunk of watermelon.

As to pentatonic scales; they occur in almost every styles of music. There are literally 231 pentatonic scales. When I compose I utilize anywhere from one to perhaps five different pentatonic scales within the music. Blues, rock, jazz, folk, country, pop, hip hop, metal, and classical music all utilize pentatonic scales. Pull up a score, analyze it and they will be found. Due to my education and extensive knowledge of music theory and composition I have little to no interest in most blues, rock, folk, country, pop, hip hop, or metal and do not compose in those genres. Most mainstream music, for me, is akin to reading elementary school books.

It should be noted that I do not compose for others. I compose for myself first and whoever might be interested in listening. I’m not trying to change the musical world nor am I in search of a fan base. When I do compose it has become apparent to me that often times it comes through me not from me. Regarding complexity; my music is is no more complicated than Bach, Beethoven, Yes, Gentle Giant, or Stravinsky. On my website there are multiple examples of less complex music. Complexity for some is not complexity for others. During my 42 years as a professional musician/instructor it became glaringly obvious that people enjoy music that they are familiar with. Anything new to them is most often brushed off as "not right". Unfortunately music is a language that the majority of the population does not understand.

While I’m still pondering the C’s remarks I find them to be rather vague except for redoing the chemo med. I do wish I had the presence of mind at that moment to ask what it is that I’m in conflict with.

 

[Don Cesar]

Hello @Musicinventor, would that might be a good idea to share your compositions accompanied by a few comments on the forum and have a return of the members?

 

[Musicinventor]

Hello @Musicinventor, would that might be a good idea to share your compositions accompanied by a few comments on the forum and have a return of the members?

Thanks but that’s what the website is for…

 

[Approaching Infinity]

There are musical works that do take my breath away whenever I listen to them. I also would have added a great Delmonico steak med. rare, a beautiful woman (i.e. Mrs. Peel), a great sounding stereo system, or an awesome hunk of watermelon.

When I heard the question, I interpreted differently, as in, "What makes it difficult to breathe?" If there's a problem with a lung, and if there's a symbolic link between areas of the body with illness and emotional influences, then it might also help to identify things that "take your breath away" in a negative sense.

It should be noted that I do not compose for others. I compose for myself first and whoever might be interested in listening. I’m not trying to change the musical world nor am I in search of a fan base. When I do compose it has become apparent to me that often times it comes through me not from me. Regarding complexity; my music is is no more complicated than Bach, Beethoven, Yes, Gentle Giant, or Stravinsky. On my website there are multiple examples of less complex music. Complexity for some is not complexity for others. During my 42 years as a professional musician/instructor it became glaringly obvious that people enjoy music that they are familiar with. Anything new to them is most often brushed off as "not right". Unfortunately music is a language that the majority of the population does not understand.

Maybe try to imagine what Gurdjieff would say if you were to say that to him.

It's all fine and good (I also like "complex" music), but beside the point, I think. If the C's said, "Consider turning in another direction," maybe you should try composing for others, as opposed to yourself, as an exercise.

 

[daddycat]

Thank you for the session.

While I’m still pondering the C’s remarks I find them to be rather vague except for redoing the chemo med. I do wish I had the presence of mind at that moment to ask what it is that I’m in conflict with.

I recommend that you network in the Swamp about the emotional issues you've experienced. That could help uncover emotional aspects that need to be dealt with. Can privacy be a sacred cow?

 

[Mari]

When asked "what takes your breath away" I was like a deer in the headlights. Immediately I thought of several things with music as the quick answer.

When I heard the question, I interpreted differently, as in, "What makes it difficult to breathe?" If there's a problem with a lung, and if there's a symbolic link between areas of the body with illness and emotional influences, then it might also help to identify things that "take your breath away" in a negative sense.

That what Approaching Infinity said is also what came to my mind when I first heard the question, @Musicinventor.

From L. Hay:

Breathing Problems (See: Asphyxiating Attacks, Hyperventilation): Fear or refusal to take in life fully. Not feeling the right to take up space or even exist.
Affirmation: It is my birthright to live fully and freely. I am worth loving. I now choose to live life fully.

Lung: The ability to take in life.
Affirmation: I take in life in perfect balance.
— Problems (See: Pneumonia): Depression. Grief. Fear of taking in life. Not feeling worthy of living life fully.
Affirmation: I have the capacity to take in the fullness of life. I lovingly live life to the fullest.

Cancer: Deep hurt. Longstanding resentment. Deep secret or grief eating away at the self. Carrying hatreds. “What’s the use?”
Affirmation: I lovingly forgive and release all of the past. I choose to fill my world with joy. I love and approve of myself.

What "chokes" you? When you think about something, what makes you that you "cannot breathe"? What brings you to tears, grief, sorrow?

I recommend that you network in the Swamp about the emotional issues you've experienced.

Yes, that would be the best.

A big and I hope you come out of this victorious!

 

[Wandering Star]

Thanks but that’s what the website is for…

I've seen this answer of yours and maybe it's a clue which relates to the first answer for you from the C's:

A: Here is a case of a soul in conflict

Perhaps you can review what you felt when reading the petition and write the response.

So...

A: What takes your breath away?

Music can refer to more things, including our personal frequency or resonance.

So...

A: Consider turning in another direction.

Q: (L) Different kind of music?

A: Yes

Just a possible perspective on your participation in the session.

 

[John G]

As to pentatonic scales; they occur in almost every styles of music. There are literally 231 pentatonic scales. When I compose I utilize anywhere from one to perhaps five different pentatonic scales within the music. Blues, rock, jazz, folk, country, pop, hip hop, metal, and classical music all utilize pentatonic scales.

It's hard to believe pentatonic scales are good because tritones are bad. Gregorian chants did have tritones. My favorite epic guitar solo adds the bluesy 6th. For guitar solos, the pentatonic scale is kind of good for many while improvising in order to avoid unexpected tritones aka have the tritone where you want it. That said, the quick Google AI had this to say about tritones:

The tritone sounds unsettling because it is an ambiguous and unresolved interval, known historically as the "devil's interval" (diabolus in musica). This dissonance creates a feeling of tension and instability that compels the ear to move toward a more stable resolution, making it ideal for expressing emotions like fear, defiance, and longing in various musical genres, from classical to heavy metal.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

(irjO) What specific tone or frequency, such as Hz ranges or musical notes, if any, is most effective for enhancing meditation exercises and promoting a relaxation state?

A: Varies but use pentatonic scale.

It's hard to believe pentatonic scales are good because tritones are bad.

Ok, I hosed this post, hit enter before I was finished and can't seem to do what I want with the edit. But I'm trying to say is I don't understand what John G means. Is he saying the pentatonic scales are bad when the quote from the C-section recommends them?

 

[Natus Videre]

It's hard to believe pentatonic scales are good because tritones are bad.

In his book, Interference: A Grand Scientific Musical Theory, Richard Merrick has interesting hypotheses regarding the tritone. Could its negative reputation be another veil concealing deeper truths?

The Social Interference Thesis (Appendix 2, page 388)

Hypothesis 1: The tetrachord genera were a Pythagorean “mending function” for a musical octave, joining the Spiral of 5ths and octave cycle into a pentagram at two octave golden ratio proportions inside what is today known as the Tritone Function.

Hypothesis 2: The negative reputation of the tritone interval in music history is due to its association with the pentagram and its contained golden ratio, thought to reveal an error in nature and, thus, in mankind as “original sin.”

Hypothesis 3: The Medieval Catholic Church banned the tritone in the early 13th century due to its association with Pythagoreanism and other Hermetic/ Kabbalistic philosophies.

Hypothesis 4: The development of the 12-step octave and simplified system of major-minor diatonic scales resulted from the replacement of a Pythagorean pentagonal design with that of an equilateral triangular design.

Hypothesis 5: The Inquisition created a complicity of convenience in the 17th century between Western religion and science that resulted in the separation of harmonic science from natural science. This resulted in the formation of history, philosophy and music as a humanities track well insulated from the scientific method.

Hypothesis 6: Johannes Sebastian Bach was the leading proponent of the Tritone Function and popularized its use thereafter.

Hypothesis 7: A wholetone scale is a generalization of a tritone – thus, chromatic harmony can be seen as two oscillating wholetone scales derived from the generalization of the Tritone Function.

Hypothesis 8: The conventions of diatonic harmony based on major and (“relative”) minor scales are founded on the recognition of symmetry around a shared SuperTonic centered in the middle of the Tritone Function.

Hypothesis 9: Modern music theory is based on the rules and conventions of asymmetry inherited from the tritone avoidance laws of the Medieval Catholic Church.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Ok, I hosed this post, hit enter before I was finished and can't seem to do what I want with the edit. But I'm trying to say is I don't understand what John G means. Is he saying the pentatonic scales are bad when the quote from the C-section recommends them?

No, I believe he's saying that the presence of the tritone in other scales is not on its own a justification for the pentatonic reason being good. There can be other reasons.

 

[John G]

Ok, I hosed this post, hit enter before I was finished and can't seem to do what I want with the edit. But I'm trying to say is I don't understand what John G means. Is he saying the pentatonic scales are bad when the quote from the C-section recommends them?

The pentatonic scales make it easy to avoid tritones. Thus given that tritones are kind of used to create unsettling emotions, maybe there's something bad about that. Though given what Natus Videre said, maybe the tritone is good and pentatonic scales just make it easier to put them where you want them.

 

[Natus Videre]

A: What takes your breath away?
Q: (Musicinventor) What takes my breath away? Music.

Q: (L) Hmm.
A: Consider turning in another direction.

Q: (L) Different kind of music?
A: Yes

Maybe, instead of composing and playing music with instruments, @Musicinventor could try singing, i.e. use his own body as a resonance chamber to shift the frequencies of his soul. This would quite literally "take his breath away" and would be a "turn in another direction" with regards to how his music is produced.

The C's have long emphasized the musical aspect of words.

Q: (A) Well, I agree that I am impatient. But, the point is that I feel that if I would have a little bit more of a clue, I could do much more, and for now...

A: Our words sing to you. Let them ring.

Q: (L) Well, it freaked ME out, coming the next day after last week's session... with the mention of 'chevin' and the funny numbers representing the Golden ratio and all that... it was amazing, even if the woman does not have a clue of what she is talking about!

A: Learning is such fun. Ludwig put words to his music.

Q: (Keit) On an emotional level, Amazing Grace had the most effect on me. (Allen) We can have you sing solo and then a choir of us come in and back you up. That's a thought.

A: Many possibilities, eh? Notice the "effect?"

Q: (Joe) Music to soothe the savage the beast!

A: Music to communicate to the soul.

 

[John Michael James]

Thank you for the session Laura & crew!

Supposedly Object 3l/atlas is set to arrive around November. Let see what kind of show it will put on!

It’s interesting seeing how the “elites” are out in the open about their activities and getting even bolder. It could be me but maybe since they’re more on the negative side and with this build up of negative energy, they naturally feel even more “comfortable” due to the environment. What’s even more interesting is how they can’t even see how they’re causing their own destruction.

Hope everyone stays safe and aware!

Hale Bop anyone?

Had me think if the Hale Bop Prophecy and I think it may pertain to this even more. Celestial events have a lasting effect 1997 was kind of a turning point. Seems like the last time creativity in culture and in music was really thriving. Groundhog Day effects seem to be ever increasing since then. Maybe the Hale Bop Prophecy was a little early and mistook it for that object.

Just some thoughts.