Session 23 August 2025

[Pearce]

@Musicinventor
Respectfully, to add to what T.C. is saying,

Radical left liberals use much the same language when propounding their ideologies.

One of the other teachers at a music academy I taught at was doing his PhD. This was around 2015.

He once sent me his website and I had a look. One of his ‘musical’ pieces was some black and white photographs of him, holding his hand in different ways. These hand positions and the differences between them were somehow supposed to be suggestive of a progression of relationships, and I suppose, in this way, somehow had something to do with music.

As soon as I saw this work of his, I instantly recognised the post-modern, critical, deconstructionist clown show that his university education and the pursuit of his doctorate had brainwashed him into. He went to uni to learn more about music. He came out a mime artist; and that’s an insult to mime artists.

I’d second Approaching Infinity’s advice about looking at this from a Gurdjieffian perspective. What do you think Gurdjieff would make of a western university musical syllabus?

How were you musically as a child before you went into higher musical education?

I think it’s highly probable that the below is a genuine musical performance by Gurdjieff. How much intellectual analysis do you think he intends us to be doing while listening to it?

..when describing yourself and your relation to music, you come across as rigid, full of ego, and with this identity built around your ownership to your writing style of music. As a musician myself, music is not something to own, nor do we at this level truly write anything, but are inspired and in effect channel that inspiration into form.

Ultimately if our pursuit is STO, that form should aim to truly move another soul, to speak to them a language that words cannot reach. You writing solely for yourself is the opposite, and it seems like having this music prodigy identity, all you are really doing is scrambling the divine signal, while calling it non-understandable art.

Are you afraid to write for others, to try to truly reach them, because you have been misunderstood and possibly rejected before? If your cancer is lung-related, well the breath is the basis of our ability to communicate with words, so perhaps there is something so painful that you need to communicate, that by not doing so it is killing you.

And perhaps you do understand music theory at a much deeper and intricate level than most people, I'm not attempting to take that away from you. But even Einstein lived and died like the rest of us. A humble approach goes the distance.

I wish you and Mrs. Peel all the best.

 

[Darek]

Thank you for another great session Hang in there Mrs. Peel and Musicinventor

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I wish you and Mrs. Peel all the best.

I don't want to keep hijacking this thread which is supposed to be a discussion of the entire last session, but here's my 2 cents from somebody who's known him for almost 30 years.

It should be noted that I do not compose for others. I compose for myself first and whoever might be interested in listening. I’m not trying to change the musical world nor am I in search of a fan base. When I do compose it has become apparent to me that often times it comes through me not from me. Regarding complexity; my music is is no more complicated than Bach, Beethoven, Yes, Gentle Giant, or Stravinsky. On my website there are multiple examples of less complex music. Complexity for some is not complexity for others. During my 42 years as a professional musician/instructor it became glaringly obvious that people enjoy music that they are familiar with. Anything new to them is most often brushed off as "not right". Unfortunately music is a language that the majority of the population does not understand.

"Not composing for others" means nobody is commissioning him to write anything in a certain style, so he writes in his own style, and hopes maybe somebody will find his work and enjoy it. Stating his education and knowledge is part of why he doesn't find some genres musically interesting. It's true that most (not all) people do not understand music. I've called his music "disjointed" (he used "not right") and it's partly because I don't understand how its been put together and it doesn't sound like the other stuff I like. I can't read music, and watching him compose and explain the mathematical relationships between notes and chords makes my eyes glaze over. I enjoy music I am familiar with, like a lot of other people out there.

Someone posted "Gurdjieff's 82 Rules for Life" somewhere at one point, and he has used No. 68 to help him get through so far, which is what he mentioned in the session.

"No. 68. When you become ill, regard your illness as your teacher, not as something to be hated."

When the C's said "what takes your breath away" both of us immediately thought of something "good." I thought of the song by the group Berlin ("Take My Breath Away"). In retrospect, they were probably referring to it in regard to the lung cancer as what inhibits your breathing.

I can't control how Musicinventor "comes across," he often reminds me of Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory. That's it.

 

[Pearce]

I don't want to keep hijacking this thread which is supposed to be a discussion of the entire last session, but here's my 2 cents from somebody who's known him for almost 30 years.


"Not composing for others" means nobody is commissioning him to write anything in a certain style, so he writes in his own style, and hopes maybe somebody will find his work and enjoy it. Stating his education and knowledge is part of why he doesn't find some genres musically interesting. It's true that most (not all) people do not understand music. I've called his music "disjointed" (he used "not right") and it's partly because I don't understand how its been put together and it doesn't sound like the other stuff I like. I can't read music, and watching him compose and explain the mathematical relationships between notes and chords makes my eyes glaze over. I enjoy music I am familiar with, like a lot of other people out there.

Someone posted "Gurdjieff's 82 Rules for Life" somewhere at one point, and he has used No. 68 to help him get through so far, which is what he mentioned in the session.

"No. 68. When you become ill, regard your illness as your teacher, not as something to be hated."

When the C's said "what takes your breath away" both of us immediately thought of something "good." I thought of the song by the group Berlin ("Take My Breath Away"). In retrospect, they were probably referring to it in regard to the lung cancer as what inhibits your breathing.

I can't control how Musicinventor "comes across," he often reminds me of Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory. That's it.

I do see where he states the music comes through him, not from him, now. My apologies for missing that!

And I also thought of something good when they asked because "taking your breath away" as far as I have ever heard the phrase, implies something beautifully unexpected that it catches you so vulnerable so that you have to catch your breath. Though I suppose it could be something negative that makes one hold their breath and tense up.

 

[seek10]

(Navigator) Candace Owens keeps digging the story of Brigitte Macron, and recently her investigation suggests that Jean-Michel could have participated in some way in the Stanford prison experiment. Was this true?

A: Lookalike.

Candace has new video with more details about Stanford prison experiment and possible connection to French first "man". As she pulls the threads/connections, she finds weird connections to NASA, military, fake people posing as poor (instead they are from rich Rothschild connections) participants, drama like experiment footage, unrelated people writing books and making documentary and so on. She narrows down to one subject "prisoner number 2093" as the mysterious. she wonders every thing is like a drama like setup.

I’M BACK! And STILL Asking Questions (Sorry Brigitte). | Candace Ep 233 - Candace Owens

candaceowens.com

But C's say 'Lookalike'. Who is doing all this drama and what for? Even C's were hesitant about revealing about Brigette. After all this expose, Matrix still consider them useful? We don't know what that coming program change means and their role in it.

Q: (Chu) It says here that A Jay has some questions about Nick Fuentes. Were they on the list?

(Joe) No. Get him on the screen if he wants to ask them.

(L) And ask the most important one, because I'm getting tired.

(Joe) Ask one.

(A Jay) Well, there were a few questions. The first one was, if any, what personality or character disorder does Nick Fuentes have?

A: Slightly paranoid schizophrenia.

Q: (L) But it is very mild? He functions pretty well?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) That doesn't mean he's wrong about the Jews. [laughter]

(L) Yeah. That doesn't mean he's wrong. Being paranoid just means you can see things. Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) I think we've established that... [laughter]

(Andromeda) Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not out to get you! [laughter]

(L) Yeah.

(A Jay) Is he a federal agent?

A: No

Q: (L) So, what is the deal between him and Candace, and him and Tucker?

A: Induced antagonism exacerbated by Nick's paranoia.

Q: (L) Induced... Induced by who or what?

A: Beaming triangulation by deep state operatives.

Q: (L) So he is not paranoid enough, huh? [laughter]

A: Yes

Q: (L) Sorry, I just had to do that.

(Andromeda) Paranoid in the wrong direction.

(L) Yeah, paranoid about the wrong things.

(Niall) And is that motivated by fears that those three together could really coalesce opposition to the Zionists, Israel, et cetera?

A: Yes!

Q: (Niall) Bingo.

(L) All right. So it's in their best interest to keep them at each other's throats, and everybody else. I mean, that's the playbook. That's everything, everybody... And if you think you can't be zapped and turned antagonistic towards even your family, your loved ones, your best friends, your group, whatever, just think again. I mean, without knowing that it can happen, without truly knowing it, you are absolutely vulnerable to it.

A: Yes

I posted this part of the session (changing forum names) in one of her you tube video comments. At least their admin's might have read it.

 

[mantle]

Again this one is a most interesting session . It leaves me with much to ponder and I thank all who contributed . Much appreciated.

 

[Noctu]

A: Velleiaea of Cassiopaean transmission.

This reminded me of Chu's video "Sounds and Meaning: Part 3 - Each syllable has meaning!", where she explains the meaning of Vallirana.

BA = water
LL = union/meting of

Of course, Spanish and English are two different languages.

Are there any language lovers here who have taken a deep dive into English sounds and their meaning? Would you care to decypher the name Velleiaea?

 

[Pat]

Thank you for the great session! Help is here!! So releave, help is needed here.

 

[daddycat]

And I also thought of something good when they asked because "taking your breath away" as far as I have ever heard the phrase, implies something beautifully unexpected that it catches you so vulnerable so that you have to catch your breath. Though I suppose it could be something negative that makes one hold their breath and tense up.

It could also be some ugly baby.

 

[John G]

I don't want to keep hijacking this thread which is supposed to be a discussion of the entire last session, but here's my 2 cents from somebody who's known him for almost 30 years.


"Not composing for others" means nobody is commissioning him to write anything in a certain style, so he writes in his own style, and hopes maybe somebody will find his work and enjoy it. Stating his education and knowledge is part of why he doesn't find some genres musically interesting. It's true that most (not all) people do not understand music. I've called his music "disjointed" (he used "not right") and it's partly because I don't understand how its been put together and it doesn't sound like the other stuff I like. I can't read music, and watching him compose and explain the mathematical relationships between notes and chords makes my eyes glaze over. I enjoy music I am familiar with, like a lot of other people out there.

Someone posted "Gurdjieff's 82 Rules for Life" somewhere at one point, and he has used No. 68 to help him get through so far, which is what he mentioned in the session.

"No. 68. When you become ill, regard your illness as your teacher, not as something to be hated."

When the C's said "what takes your breath away" both of us immediately thought of something "good." I thought of the song by the group Berlin ("Take My Breath Away"). In retrospect, they were probably referring to it in regard to the lung cancer as what inhibits your breathing.

I can't control how Musicinventor "comes across," he often reminds me of Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory. That's it.

The Cs definitely can do a play on words so both meanings could be in play. Musicinventor in his "new songs" thread mentioned Evan's "take my breath away" comment (in the good sense) from last year being quite interesting now. I came here via Ark's physics and I tend to think anyone here should be able to know the math at the level I know it. It took me thousands of hours to get there but it still seems like I should be able to greatly shorten that when talking to others but it doesn't work that way. I've seen mathematical physics people talk about music too and even though the math part is something I'm into; music is too much a foreign language for me to see as math. Berlin's Take My Breath Away came to my mind too since it was the song my wife and I danced to at our Wedding reception and I have three of their albums (via my college roommate liking them). I thought about checking to see how it was as far as pentatonic scales and tritones are concerned but didn't.

 

[brandon]

The Cs definitely can do a play on words so both meanings could be in play.

Yeah, I didn't see their question as necessarily having one or the other meaning, but more as a free association type thing... like it doesn't really matter in which way they meant it, it more matters how you understood and answered it @Musicinventor .. There could even be other meanings. For example...some occasion or event from your childhood which the phrase "takes my breath away" resonates with, or has some association with in your mind. (Reminds me of the part in one of the Carlos Castaneda books where Don Juan says something to Carlos about "a strange falcon... a very funny bird", and it triggers a memory in Carlos of a bird he hunted once as a child. Anyone remember that bit? I can try to find it later... But if I recall correctly, in the book it was like, Don Juan didn't necessarily know anything about the actual event, he just Saw that the phrase "strange falcon" had some kind of resonance for Carlos)...

Not to jump on you with unlooked for criticism musicinventor, but FWIW my impression of your music (I listened since you first posted it on the forum) was, it is very intellect-based. To my ear at least, your music which I've heard was strongly unbalanced in favour of intellect and away from emotion (on a scale of emotion<->intellect, ignoring any further reaches of that conceptual scale, like spirit or whatever).. [edit: BTW I don't particularly be referring to the *complexity* of the music] There's nothing at all wrong with that (it's really cool music! But for example stuff like JS Bach, to me sounds nicely balanced, it's very emotional while also being brainy). But that's how I heard it, take that as you will...if my perceptions are in any way accurate, maybe it could be a sign of that kind of unbalance in your life in general.. If sticking to just talking in the realm of music making, do you ever just chill out and jam, or play some pop songs or something? (apologies if already mentioned, I haven't fully caught up on the thread). Someone else mentioned singing...I think that's a great idea!

All the best! I think of you often in my prayers.

Also thanks for the super interesting session Laura and Chateau crew!

 

[axj]

I really like this book (Metaphysical Anatomy) as a resource for helping me figure out the deeper emotional issues behind any symptoms I may be feeling.

It seems that most diseases have indeed an emotional component as a major underlying cause. Basically, whatever we avoid or do not deal with on the emotional level can eventually start creating problems on the physical body level.

Maybe it can help to share my own experience with overcoming a supposedly unhealable chronic disease. I used to have colitis, which is an inflammation of the large intestine. The doctors told me that I would need to take pills that reduce the symptoms for the rest of my life and that there is no cure.

The underlying cause of the disease was basically that I was not allowing myself to 'digest' life or life experiences properly - especially blocking or avoiding emotions I did not like. On a deeper level it seems to be something like a karmatic control issue that needs to be resolved step-by-step and with love and acceptance, as well as trust in my Higher Self.

In more concrete terms, what I needed to do was to allow myself to feel whatever is there, to ask myself "what am I avoiding to feel right now?" and focus on that while also remaining present and on center (not dissociating or getting lost in it). It is not a fun process of course and takes time, but it has profound benefits that go beyond "just" healing a chronic disease.

With cancer the underlying cause may be somewhat different, though since it started in the colon in your case as well, @Musicinventor, maybe there are some similarities too. And of course you still need to do whatever is necessary to help your body on the physical level, in addition to maybe looking at the possible emotional cause as well.

 

[gottathink]

I've always thought playing major pentatonic scale fifth above a Maj7 chord sounds beautiful, calming and meditative, so I improvised little bit with this idea a while ago when I was thinking about pentatonic scales.

I still had the recording so I'll attach it here (recorded with my phone but the idea hopefully conveys). After reading this discussion I thought if you (or anyone else) might want to try out the idea, if it's any beneficial (i.e using pentatonic scale in a meditative, relaxing manner, preferably improvising).

So in here I took major chord (started with Fmaj) and improvised using pentatonic scale always starting fifth above (for example C pentatonic over Fmaj chord), which gives intervals: 5, 6, 7, 9, 3 (with minor chords need to use a minor pentatonic fifth above, same principle, and there's other ways to use them than this).

The chords used here were something like this (I always moved the scale with the chord):

Fmaj7, Cmaj7, Ebmaj7, Bbmaj7,
Fmaj7 Cmaj7, Gmaj7, Dmaj7,
Fmaj7, Cmaj7, Abmaj7, Gm7,
Gbmaj7 Fsus4, F

But it can be anything and more simpler (like few chords repeating), this is just what I happened to record. It's also a neat way to bring chord extensions with pentatonic scale, I think!

This is beautiful, thank you for posting @Seppo Ilmarinen.
Listening to it had a surprising effect on me. I’m musically pretty ignorant and not talented so I can’t participate in this discussion although I enjoy music and I can at least dance better than most.
I feel like I am not very good at relaxing and doing guided meditations because my brain feels like it’s wrestling for control and trying not to drown. This music felt soothing and shifted around enough that if felt like it supported my consciousness to gently carry me to relaxation. I’d love to listen to a longer loop of something like this and see if it helps with getting to sleep, or for meditation.

 

[Viktor]

No. This object 3I/Atlas, what is it?

A: Wait and see! Hale-Bopp anyone?
_____________________________

When Oumuamua came around they said the very same thing.
Wait and see.
I hope it's not the Nephilims coming.

 

[MJF]

I don't want to keep hijacking this thread which is supposed to be a discussion of the entire last session, but here's my 2 cents from somebody who's known him for almost 30 years.


"Not composing for others" means nobody is commissioning him to write anything in a certain style, so he writes in his own style, and hopes maybe somebody will find his work and enjoy it. Stating his education and knowledge is part of why he doesn't find some genres musically interesting. It's true that most (not all) people do not understand music. I've called his music "disjointed" (he used "not right") and it's partly because I don't understand how its been put together and it doesn't sound like the other stuff I like. I can't read music, and watching him compose and explain the mathematical relationships between notes and chords makes my eyes glaze over. I enjoy music I am familiar with, like a lot of other people out there.

Someone posted "Gurdjieff's 82 Rules for Life" somewhere at one point, and he has used No. 68 to help him get through so far, which is what he mentioned in the session.

"No. 68. When you become ill, regard your illness as your teacher, not as something to be hated."

When the C's said "what takes your breath away" both of us immediately thought of something "good." I thought of the song by the group Berlin ("Take My Breath Away"). In retrospect, they were probably referring to it in regard to the lung cancer as what inhibits your breathing.

I can't control how Musicinventor "comes across," he often reminds me of Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory. That's it.

I would state up front that I know absolutely nothing about MusicInventor's diagnosis and treatment other than what has been mentioned on this thread. I appreciate that he has had numerous rounds of chemotherapy but in spite of this the cancer still persists in his lungs. If it helps at all, my brother had stage 4 rectal cancer a few years ago and was treated by exhausting rounds of chemotherapy and radiotherapy as well. The cancer had already spread to his liver and lungs as is usual for this form of cancer. However, although the chemotherapy and radiotherapy successfully shrank the cancers so that they completely disappeared from his lungs and liver and then allowed the surgeon to remove the main tumour from the rectum, my brother always felt that it was the immunotherapy treatment that he received alongside the chemotherapy that did most to reduce the cancers. He was treated with four different types of immunotherapy one of which proved to be most effective. So, I would just query whether MusicInventor has tried immunotherapy at all and, if not, has it been discussed as a medical option?

To put things in perspective, my brother subsequently found out from his oncologist that his odds of survival from the cancer (that was very advanced when first diagnosed) had been put at only 2%, which are not really good odds. I would add that my brother had a lot of people praying for him too, which no doubt helped. I appreciate that every case is different and outcomes can vary widely but I thought I would mention immunotherapy since it is a newish treatment that has been garnering good results, as it works by boosting the body's own defences in fighting the cancer. I am obviously aware that it can be an expensive form of treatment and whether it is an option for you may depend on whether your medical insurers would be prepared to pay for it. In my brother's case, fortunately they were.

BTW, in case you are not aware, the character of Sheldon Cooper, like many savants, had Asperger's Syndrome, a form of autism. Unfortunately, genius can often come at a high price. That being said, everybody in the show still loved him in spite of his numerous idiosyncrasies and I hope the same is true of MusicInventor .​