Session 25 July 1998
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It is not clear how we may reproduce in 4D. There seem to be differences between 4D STS and 4D STO and one may be how we get our nourishment.I think they'd need a physical body (as the C's said that density levels one through four have a "soul and physical body marriage"), so perhaps they could reincarnate when people have children in 4D?
Session 23 October 1994:
This could explain some personal occurrences. (like dreaming that you see the chemical formulas of dna and suddenly new fragments come out of nowhere and join the chain) Or you suddenly develop intense pains in your body when you see another person get hurt or have an accident. I swear, I have been experiencing intense physical pain since the beginning of the year. Especially in my shoulders... and I can't sleep like I used to. But I don't feel like it's going to break me down.
pinkfreud
Jedi Master
What a wonderful surprise - thank you so much Laura!
I love that they were telling us to learn algebra even then! It’s like finding Easter eggs.
The consistency of the messages hit me on a serious level here. The truth never ages.
I appreciate the “alarm clock” effect that I continue to benefit from, both on the forum and from the transcripts.
I’m saving some bits in particular for my 12 year old, as they are very pertinent to a mood she has been in just recently. She’s having a lot of emotional upheaval that she can’t find a reason for (in part stage of life, but also the drag of larger cycles, it seems.) She feels that she needs to do something to improve herself internally so that she’s not “such a mess,” but she can’t come up with any action to take. We all know that feeling, especially from our younger years I’m sure.
I gave her the Don Juan bit about balancing the terror of being a man with the wonder of being alive, which helped some. I also explained to her that she’s already doing the work - it’s just that she’s understanding things now that bring the work to a more challenging level. I suspect she might resonate with:
(L): Now the big question is: what are we supposed to DO with this information?
A: As with all else, it is not what you do with it, it is just that you have it.
Because we all need these reminders. They go a long way.
Thanks again
I love that they were telling us to learn algebra even then! It’s like finding Easter eggs.
The consistency of the messages hit me on a serious level here. The truth never ages.
I appreciate the “alarm clock” effect that I continue to benefit from, both on the forum and from the transcripts.
I’m saving some bits in particular for my 12 year old, as they are very pertinent to a mood she has been in just recently. She’s having a lot of emotional upheaval that she can’t find a reason for (in part stage of life, but also the drag of larger cycles, it seems.) She feels that she needs to do something to improve herself internally so that she’s not “such a mess,” but she can’t come up with any action to take. We all know that feeling, especially from our younger years I’m sure.
I gave her the Don Juan bit about balancing the terror of being a man with the wonder of being alive, which helped some. I also explained to her that she’s already doing the work - it’s just that she’s understanding things now that bring the work to a more challenging level. I suspect she might resonate with:
(L): Now the big question is: what are we supposed to DO with this information?
A: As with all else, it is not what you do with it, it is just that you have it.
Because we all need these reminders. They go a long way.
Thanks again
The usual process, I think I remember, is to die, go to fifth density, and if you have graduated, incarnate in fourth density.
It is with the phenomenon of the wave, when in an extraordinary way one can go from third to fourth density without going through the death of the body.
Although somewhat later (perhaps surprisingly late) you have to die and return to fifth density.
I think you may be correct those going directly to 4D when the Wave arrives @Wandering Star. There was a session that starts with questions about cats going from 2D to 3D and leading to 3D to 4D.
Session 4 March 1995:
See that @gottathink had highlighted this above after highlighting and reading myself. Don't know a lot on the subject of Bardo, a bit, however it seems that some of their meditative work looks to helping one in transition - shock and trauma. Had though that perhaps their view was not grounded - more to spook, and yet for some in transition it looks like it can be a heck of a ride and knowledge protects, it helps to know what may lay ahead.
As others have said, this session, a continuation, is packed with an amazing back and forth. Thanks for posting.
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Thank you for the session.
This is still hilarious.
I was thinking about this the other night. Antimatter universe is a place of no space and no time. So my guess is from wherever (any place) and whenever (any time) and then going to the antimatter universe, you would arrive at the same place (no place) and same time (no time) in the antimatter universe. And then coming back from the antimatter universe to the matter universe, you would have to choose the exact place and time to come back to in the matter universe. Some of the iterations are: (1) starting at time X and place X, going to antimatter universe, and coming back to the same time X and same place X (back where/when you started); (2) starting at time X and place X, going to antimatter universe, and coming back to same time X and different place Y ("regular" travel); (3) starting at time X and place X, going to antimatter universe, and coming back to the different time Y and same place X (time travel); and (4) starting at time X and place X, going to antimatter universe, and coming back to different time Y and different place Y (space and time travel, portal travel?). Basically being able to travel incredible distances or travel back and forth in time, is going from here to the antimatter universe and then coming back. I was thinking the matter universe has an x axis and y axis for a grid, and the antimatter universe is just a singular null point without dimension.
Or perhaps there is space there but no "matter" ?
Unmeasurables Thanks for sharing, all the work involved to make it easier to understand and learn.
What a strong sensation to contemplate the truth, even if it is from the level that each one can be able to perceive, for me it's a prick in the stomach to read, our human location in this world with all these STS forces pulling from different points.
Although if after the trauma and if it is in our way to continue, I have the impression that although the picture is quite ugly, and after the shock, if there is already this information or cosmic consciousness in the soul, I imagine that maybe it will be easier to flow, to be, to reach that happiness more in accordance with our inner nature, although surely everything has a process as to how the adjustment can be in such conditions.
Yes could do. I think some of the folks at the Chateau had shoulder pain relating to dna changes also. If I recall correctly?
It could be either/or as the Cs said “maybe a quick stopover in 5th”.The usual process, I think I remember, is to die, go to fifth density, and if you have graduated, incarnate in fourth density.
It is with the phenomenon of the wave, when in an extraordinary way one can go from third to fourth density without going through the death of the body.
Although somewhat later (perhaps surprisingly late) you have to die and return to fifth density.
Or, it could be that the future is open. Or was open on the matter whether we all die or some/most of us die. Or maybe the process of leaving the body happens before death. Then back into a renewed body. Or not, in fact it could be all manner of circumstances and outcomes
. I doubt that this is important although can’t help but want to know these things and it’s a huge exercise in faith in the process we have all engaged in here. Best we just focus on our networking, lessons, and healing.
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These thoughts remind me of an excerpt from the C's session that I post just below, but likely there is more than just X axis and Y axis in this grid for the matter/physical universe. I am no expert to say the least, but I currently imagine there are a lot more then just 2 axes in the perceptual awareness of various third density students, but likely for the majority of 3D students with average "intellectual capacity", they can perceive 2 dimensional, and 3 dimensional geometric shapes with ease if they have no "anntena" damage. What I think doesn't come with ease, for the majority of people in this 3D realm, is to visualize 4 dimensional geometric shapes, and here is some attempted examples using computer software that I found online while writing this post:
4th dimension – RobertLovesPi.net
So what about, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and even 13 dimensional geometric shapes. If you search the web one each type, there is a lot interesting descriptions for the layman and how to attempt to imagine and visualize these dimensions in relation to very complex hypothetical and theorethical notions of our Creators multilevel Creation. For example, and I am not sure, but apparently this site describes a13 dimensional geometric shape?!?
Mathematicians Discovered a New 13-Sided Shape That Can Do Remarkable Things
"A longstanding open problem asks for an aperiodic monotile, also known as an"einstein": a shape that admits tilings of the plane, but never periodictilings."
I read this quote above, and unfortunately I pretty much understand nothing, due to lacking the proper background, or so I tell myself! LOL. Maybe this video will help?
Nope!
I mean I have trouble trying to visualize just 4 dimensional geometric objects! I guess perhaps I am not even close to being a 4th Density candidate at the moment
[there goes that negative introject again 
] but oh well, hopefully learning to visualize 4 dimensional objects is not part of 3rd density curriculum of "karmic and simple understandings." If so, well 
, not gonna sweat it and que cera, cera 
Anyways, FWIW, this is fexcerpt that came to mind while reading your post and before I started writing this long one:
So I imagine, and therefore I wouldn't be very surprised if I am wrong or way off from being close, if 5th density is the antimatter space (?), and it is the "center of the projector" from where you can "see the origin and essence of all creation itself" for a "moment", this moment of experience that comes at some point in our soul's 5D reincarnational and contemplative cycle, which can maybe feel like lasting an eternity where a "fragmented soul unit" is truly cognizant of "union with the One" before the experiential Life cycle continues the reincarnational process into the veils of lower level densities for balance...well this becoming a never ending sentence! So I will stop here and say that IF this is the case, then cool, buuut, I doubt it because just now I recalled the C's saying this about antimatter as well:
So then, if 5th Density is ethreal existence, which makes sense because it is not physical or variably physical in any way, and it is a pathway or doorway to ethereal existense or 5th Density level of Awareness and not an antimatter realm...AHHH, OK I am tired and fried now. I think Laura can better explain with the following excerpt I found at some point of writing this overly long post, that I am now even hesitating posting. BUUUT, since I spent all this energy writing this post, and found this exceprt where the C's did say close to Laura's thoughts in the process of doing it, perhaps it is worth posting a little. By the way I find the comment by the C's to Terry hilarious when they said "Why do you look “up” when talking to us?" LOL, ahh our linear minds:
Further to gottathink's answer, this passage may explain why you are feeling such intense pain in the shoulders:
Session 19 November 1994:
Q: (L) What is causing the pain in Jan's right shoulder since several of us have been having this exact same symptom?
A: DNA changes.
Q: (L) Can Reiki be used to help alleviate the discomfort?
A: Not necessary or recommended.
Q: (L) Do we just have to suffer through this one?
A: Each "suffering" will be closely followed by dramatic life changes.
Judging from the C's answer, you may just have to grin and bear it. Perhaps you should get ready for dramatic life changes too if these have not already occurred.
I have had (and still have) pain in my shoulders. The first one started in my left shoulder. It lasted almost a year and then ended, although I can't move it at all like before and I can't take some sleeping positions either. And since the end of 2023 to date I have pain in my right shoulder. Same symptoms.
What I can say is that a few months ago I felt the urgency to change things within myself. Not just a feeling, but a thought...
Don Cesar
The Living Force
I experienced sharp and intense pain in both my shoulders when I was separating from my ex-wife and my two children, this lasted, I think, for about 18 months when I was unable to raise my arms Opening up to take off a t-shirt and move while lying down was an ordeal. I always wondered if this was purely psychosomatic or if it was part of my learning... Could be a bit of both. And after my divorce all my physical problems had practically disappeared.
