Session 26 April 2025

This is close to the 500 plus light years distance of Antares and Betelgeuse from Earth but not close enough for horseshoes :-). So, is there any other dynastic struggle that occurred in the appropriate timeframe, which saw a struggle out of sequence?
"Out of sequence struggle for control" about 500 years ago in the early 1500s could include the Peasants War (largest uprising before the French Revolution) and the Protestant wars, basically an uprising against the corrupt control system of the Vatican.
 
"Out of sequence struggle for control" about 500 years ago in the early 1500s could include the Peasants War (largest uprising before the French Revolution) and the Protestant wars, basically an uprising against the corrupt control system of the Vatican.
Did you also think about this Peasants' Revolt in the area of present-day Slovenia and Croatia in 1573?

Croatia
Jesi li mislio i na ovu Seljačku bunu na prostoru današnje Slovenije i Hrvatske 1573. godine?
 
Other major events in the early 1500s:

- Beginning of the Reformation in 1517 (Martin Luther)

- Founding of the Anglican Church in 1534 (UK breaking away from the Vatican)

- Spanish conquest of the Aztec empire in 1519-1521 and other New World conquests

- The biggest civil war in Japanese history in the first half of the 1500s (Sengoku period)

- Sack of Rome in 1527

 
Other major events in the early 1500s:

- Beginning of the Reformation in 1517 (Martin Luther)

- Founding of the Anglican Church in 1534 (UK breaking away from the Vatican)

- Spanish conquest of the Aztec empire in 1519-1521 and other New World conquests

- The biggest civil war in Japanese history in the first half of the 1500s (Sengoku period)

- Sack of Rome in 1527


To me the words "Out of sequence struggle for control" suggest a dynastic struggle but you could be right about this being perhaps merely the start of a cyclic change where control over populations is concerned. The C's have spoken about cycles and we are fast meant to be approaching the end of a grand cycle comprising a 320,000 year period.

First I must say that I would be the first to acknowledge that I could be wrong about Antares going supernova very soon. Although it is a prime candidate since it is located in the constellation of Scorpio near to a horsehead nebula and is a red supergiant that is close to going supernova according to astronomers, there could be some other star in the Scorpio system that the C's had in mind or even another star system that is within 2000 light years of Earth but also close enough to destroy ("cindered up") the planet D'Ankhiar. To survive a supernova, scientists now reckon that a planet needs to be more than 160 light years from an exploding supernova (I think the C's may have said 100 ly but perhaps someone can check) - see: | EarthSky

As to the timing of the supernova, just a quick recap on what the C's said:
Q: (L) So what, in the records, should we be looking for?

A: Sign of struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines.

Q:
(L) In other words, the usurpation of the blood lines?

A: Close.

They than clarified that "the pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines" meant control in the sense of STS domination:.

Q: I have two last questions: at one point you said to note the "struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines." Now, of course, I made the remark about usurpation of a throne, but later I realized that we don't really know what the pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines really are. They don't necessarily have to do with a secular position, they could be a function. What are the pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines?

A: Control.

Q: Control of what? People?

A: Close.

Q: Control of the reality in some sense?

A: Not as close.

Q: Control as in STS domination?

A: Yes.

Q: Are there any other pre-ordained activities?

A: Need there be?

Q: Okay, "struggle out of sequence." Loss of control? The royal bloodlines lose control?

A: Only when energies build prior to completion of cycle.

Q: What sign am I looking for? Struggle out of sequence... a rebellion that breaks out... a particular cycle to these events... a period of time?

A: You need to review.

The first comment I would make is that the C's reference to "pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines" reflects what author Wilfrid Bramley said about kingship in his excellent book The Gods of Eden (see:The Gods Of Eden: The Chilling Truth About Extraterrestrial Infiltration And Conspiracy To Keep Humankind In Chains : WILLIAM BRAMLEY : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive) where he proposed that the role of "king" was something handed down to mankind by the Brotherhood of the Serpent, which the C's have said was originated by the Lizards:
Q: (L) Who was the originator of the Brotherhood of the Serpent as described in the Bramley book?

A: Lizard Beings.

As to the composition of the Brotherhood, the C's confirmed that it was in fact a mixture of humans and Lizard beings:
Q: Does this brotherhood consist of Lizzies and various humans?

A: Yes.

It would seem that the Lizards (Bramley's "Custodial" gods) placed a group of people, perhaps with a special bloodline (hybrids) that may have contained more of their own Lizard DNA, in charge as earthly rulers, no doubt reflecting their own hierarchical system. You may recall that the C's said recently that the Orions had an emperor figure in charge of them who was rather like the emperor in the Star Wars movies but, if anything, even more evil and power crazy. Bramley traced the origin of kingship back to the Sumerians of Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq). However, Bramley was not aware of the discovery of Goblekli Tepe in Turkey at the time he wrote his book, as it had not been discovered yet. This was perhaps the first proper post-Deluge civilisation and we do not as yet know whether they had kings or rulers. If they did, this might suggest that the concept of kingship could have been inherited from Atlantis.

Bramley tracked the activities of this mysterious brotherhood down through the centuries, noticing that they seemed to be behind, or had a hand in, every major war, conflict, rebellion and revolution, always using "divide and conquer" tactics. This proposition seems to be supported to some extent by the C's where they spoke of the Brotherhood inspiring Hermes Trismegistus's rebellion:
Q: (L) Who did Hermes betray?

A: Himself; was power hungry.

Q: (L) What acts did he do?

A: Broke covenant; he inspired divisions within ranks of Egyptians, Essenes, Aryans, and Persians et cetera.


Q: (L) What was his purpose in doing this?

A: Divide and conquer as inspired by those referred to as Brotherhood in Bramley book you have read.​

This brings us back to the concept of the 'Divine Right of Kings', one that has been followed by many societies throughout the world including nearly all of the countries of Europe, China, Japan and pre-conquest Peru and Mexico to name but a few. However, this concept came to be increasingly challenged, particularly in Europe, from the late Middle Ages onwards, such challenges eventually culminating in bloody revolutions such as those of the English Civil War, the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution, where in each case the reigning monarch was executed.

Today there are very few monarchies left in the world and in nearly every instance where a monarch still reigns, they do so as a constitutional monarch who governs through a democratically elected government. The overthrow of monarchy seems to have reached its height in the 20th century which saw the end of the reigns of most of the traditional royal houses of Europe including Austria-Hungary, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Russia, Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania etc. The last Chinese emperor was removed from his throne during the Second World War. Numerous other monarchies have disappeared in other regions of the world too such as Iran, Ethiopia, Libya and Turkey. I am sure Forum members can name others. However, if the task of royal bloodlines was to maintain STS control, then it seems their removal from power during the 20th century supports what the C's said about their loss of control arising "Only when energies build prior to completion of cycle."

If Bramley is correct in proposing that most revolutions and wars are driven or steered by the machinations of the Brotherhood, can we see any evidence of such behind the scenes manipulation and manoeuvring? Perhaps we can. The C's confirmed that the Brotherhood consisted of Lizards and human groups. One of these groups I would propose is the Illuminati. Indeed, the C's have linked the Lizards, Brotherhood and the Illuminati together on occasions, as mentioned below:
Q: (T) About two weeks after I saw the video tape where I heard this information, a guy pulled up out of nowhere driving a souped up Camaro... (Jan: No! It was the night we were watching it!) We had watched it before and we were talking about it and decided to watch it again. So, Gary and I had decided to go outside to take the dog around the block and we had just gotten back and put the dog on the porch and we were standing outside smoking a cigarette when the guy in the Camaro pulls into the driveway with steam coming out from under the hood. He asked to use the hose. I told him yes. He gets out wearing jeans, tee shirt and scraggly blond hair. He says: "I overheated. I'm coming back from Gulfport and was going back to Ocala and was on the interstate when his car overheated. Now, 275 is a little ways from my house and he came all the way, passed a gas station and convenience store, turned off the main drag and then onto my street to get water... then he started talking about how the new electronic ignitions are designed to shut down when the car exceeds a certain speed so he had installed a special racing ignition but ever since his car had been overheating... we had just finished watching this movie about electronic ignitions and we were flabbergasted... What I want to know is who has the power and ability to set up these kinds of "confirmations" or synchronicities?

A: Same forces spreading disinformation: Brotherhood/ Consortium/ Illuminati/ New World Order/ "Antichrist"/ Lizards.

Moreover, the C's also linked the Illuminati not only to the Brotherhood but also to the controllers of the modern banking system:

A: Yes. When you store it in the bank, you are helping the Brotherhood AKA Illuminati AKA Antichrist multiply it for itself, all you get is the "crumbs" left over. And, the Antichrist can "call it in" anytime it wants to!

Q: (L) One of the most popular ways to make money by investing is in the stock market. But, it seems to me that the stock market is also part of the Antichrist system and investing there would also amount to only getting "crumbs."

A: Yes and no. Not all stocks traded publicly are under direct control of the Illuminati.

Although historic references suggest that the Illuminati was a short-lived secret organisation created by the Bavarian Jesuit professor Adam Weishaupt (1748-1830) in the late 18th century, which subsequently infiltrated German and French Freemasonry, it would seem that the Illuminati have a much older provenance than this, one which dates back at least to ancient Egypt and perhaps links them with the Osirians, who the C's said were the progenitors of modern Freemasonry:
Session 16 October 1994:

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin of the Freemasons?

A: Osirians.

Q: (L) Can you tell us when the original Freemasons formed as a society?

A: 5633 B.C.

Q: (L) Is Freemasonry as it is practiced today the same?

A: 33rd degree, yes.

My researches have uncovered the fact that the highest degree conferred on a priestly initiate in ancient Egypt was that of the 'Illuminati', a degree which allowed the initiate full access to Egypt's secret books and the right to participate in the instalment of the pharaoh (a bit like today's Catholic College of Cardinals). The C's reference to the 33rd degree though is very important here since this is the highest degree in Scottish Rite Freemasonry that is today prevalent in Continental Europe and in the USA. The C's have also confirmed that the Illuminati are the upper echelons or branch of Freemasonry, suggesting that the Illuminati may be recruited from among the ranks of 33rd degree Freemasons:
Q: (L) How do the Masons relate to the Illuminati?

A: Masons are low level branch.

The C's have also confirmed that the Illuminati were responsible for corrupting the Bible for over a thousand years and thus long before Adam Weishaupt came on the scene:​

Q: (L) You have often stated that the Bible is corrupted, I would like to know who, exactly, corrupted the Bible and when and how they did this?

A: Illuminati brotherhood for a thousand earth years.​

Just to complicate things further, the C's also made Laura aware of a link between the subterranean Aryan civilisation called the Nation of the Third Eye and the Illuminati and Freemasons:
Q: (T) So, the information Courtney Brown was given to write this quasi-fiction book, is about the Aryans and not about the Martians?

A: "Martians" is easier to understand for the less well-informed, not to mention any discussion of the densities!

Q: Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities!

(L) Okay. Third Eye. What is this?

A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.

Q: Does this "Third Eye" designation have a connotation of third eye abilities as we understand them?

A: Psychic.

It is interesting to note here the C's reference to the subterranean dwellers' psychic abilities since you may recall my earlier post on this thread where I mentioned how Lord Edward Bulwer-Lytton in his book Vril: The Power of the Coming Race spoke of the subterranean Vril-ya's psychic abilities whereby they could place thoughts directly into a surface human being's mind (telepathy), which tallies with the C's reference to the psychic powers of the subterranean 'Army of Psychic Projectors' that they called Thor's Pantheum. Bulwer-Lytton was also meant to be the leading Rosicrucian in Great Britain in his day. He was also a leading member of the mysterious Orphic Circle that supposedly conducted secret channelling sessions with higher powers (densities). This mention of circles leads on to something else the C's have said about secret groups such as the Freemasons and the Rosicrucians, which often have an inner circle of adepts who are privy to secret knowledge that is unknown to the members of the outer circle, where there can also be an overlap between secret groups with some members unbeknownst to the others belonging to more than one group, as in interpenetrating circles:
Q: (T) Were any of those bases underground in Antarctica built by the Germans during World War II?

A: Sect. [MJF: Probably the Thule Society which may have been an Illuminati front]

Q: (T) Nazis?

A: Remember, all is structured in cycles and circles.

Q: (L) In other words, these tunnels were built by and belong to the Consortium, is that correct?

A: Circles within circles.

Q: (L) Masons?

A: One example of concept.

This concept of circles within circles was then reinforced by what the C's said here:

Q: (L) Well, goodness sake! The Rosicrucians advertise in magazines!!! Is this worldwide organization that promotes itself so blatantly...

A: Well, the "world-wide" order is not all inclusive.

Q: (L) Is there an inner circle of this order that is unknown?

A: Yes. [MJF: Which makes me winder whether Bulwer-Lytton was part of this inner circle]

Q: (L) Are the Rosicrucians connected to the Masons?

A: In a roundabout away.

Q: (L) Are the Illuminati connected to the Rosicrucians in any way?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Of the three I have named, which would be considered the one that is closest to the inner circle?

A: Not the correct concept.

Q: (L) Do the Rosicrucians have writings in their keeping that they, themselves, do not understand?

A: Yes. So do the Masons.

Continuing with the ongoing influence of the Brotherhood, this can also be seen in what the C's said here about their role in the creation of the Nazis, which they attributed to the Illuminati:​

Q: And who created the Third Reich?

A: Illuminati.

You mentioned in your posts the Peasants War in France and the Protestant Reformation in the early 16th century. I would say that although Freemasonry as we know it today did not supposedly exist in the Middle Ages, the Illuminati forces may still have had an active role in these events. One group they may have used is the Knights Templar, who many think were the creators of modern Freemasonry in Britain (see my attached article on the roots of Freemasonry). The C's have confirmed that the Templars were not eradicated in 1307 as history tells us but went underground instead, meaning they may have continued to play an active role behind the scenes:
Q: Speaking of these tall guys, William Wallace's life was sort of symbolic, in my mind, and he was supposed to have been over 6 and a half feet tall. During the time that all that mess was going on over in Scotland with Wallace and the Bruce, the Templars were being dissolved in France

A: Dissolved?!? We think not! They merely went "underground".

Q: Is that literally or figuratively?

A: Why not both?


Q: Well, there are Templar organizations that some Mason's claim to be in contact with.

A: And where do you suppose these are?

Q: Underground?

A: Bingo!

If you are not aware, there was an earlier Peasants Revolt in England in 1381 led by an infamous figure called Wat Tyler (not his real name). Some think the underground Templars may have had a hand in this revolt, having set up masonic lodges throughout the country based on the lodges of their old preceptories or priories. Interestingly, the name "Tyler" is actually a Masonic office. The Tyler sits outside the closed door of the lodge room, armed with a sword. His duties and principal role is to ensure that only those who are duly qualified are allowed to enter the Lodge Room. He guards against cowans and eavesdroppers. It is also his duty to make sure that each visitor is "properly clothed", which means they must be wearing their Masonic apron. It is interesting, therefore, that the Knights Templar also employed this practice by having an armed guard sit outside their sanctums when a ceremony was being conducted. Another interesting observation is that the rebels targeted the buildings and property of the Knights Hospitaller in London, the Knights of St John of Jerusalem having inherited the Templars' property in England when that order was disbanded by the King:​
On the north side of London, the rebels approached Smithfield and Clerkenwell Priory, the headquarters of the Knights Hospitaller which was headed by Hales. The priory was destroyed, along with the nearby manor. Heading west along Fleet Street, the rebels attacked the Temple, a complex of legal buildings and offices owned by the Hospitallers.​

Could this deliberate targeting of Hospitaller property have been belated revenge on the Templars rival military order?

The lasting legacy of the revolt would be seen for centuries to come, where different groups at different times used the event to support their own particular causes, as noted in the Wikipedia entry for the revolt:

The story of the revolt was used in pamphlets during the English Civil War of the 17th century, and formed part of John Cleveland's early history of the war. It was deployed as a cautionary account in political speeches during the 18th century, and a chapbook entitled The History of Wat Tyler and Jack Strawe proved popular during the Jacobite risings and American War of Independence. The historian James Crossley argues that after the French Revolution, the Peasants' Revolt was seen more positively, especially among radicals and revolutionaries. Thomas Paine and Edmund Burke argued over the lessons to be drawn from the revolt, Paine expressing sympathy for the rebels and Burke condemning the violence.

Wikipedia also notes:
Conspiracy theorists, including writer John Robinson, have attempted to explain alleged flaws in mainstream historical accounts of the events of 1381, such as the speed with which the rebellion was coordinated. Theories include that the revolt was led by a secret, occult organisation called "the Great Society", said to be an offshoot of the order of the Knights Templar destroyed in 1312, or that the fraternity of the Freemasons was covertly involved in organising the revolt.

Well, I guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist then :lol:.

However, the Templars main region of power lay in southern France and it is noticeable that in the Protestant Reformation this area of France was perhaps the most sympathetic to the Huguenots (a religious group of French Protestants who held to the Calvinist tradition of Protestantism) who were most concentrated in the southern and western parts of France. This area had also been the stronghold of the gnostic Albigensians or Cathars who had received support and succour from the Templars before they were eventually eradicated in the 13th century by forces loyal to the French Crown and the Catholic Church. Could the Protestant Reformation in Europe have been in part the revenge of the underground Templars on the Church, which had turned against the order at the behest of King Philip IV of France? If so, could these underground Templars have joined forces with the Brotherhood/Illuminati at some stage? Might they even have had links to the mysterious Enclave of Alchemists in the Pyrenees (who seem to have had their own links to the Rosicrucians of Sir Francis Bacon) and/or with the subterranean Nation of the Third Eye?

There are some who have made a connection between Protestantism, especially in its more Puritan form, and modern socialism. They would argue that without the Reformation there would have been no radical socialist reforms of the type seen from the 18th century onwards, since the Catholic Church had upheld the old order based on the Feudal System and the absolute power of the King. I would add here that amongst the staunchest supporters of the Parliamentary forces of Oliver Cromwell in the English Civil Wars of the mid-17th century were an extremist group of Puritans called the Levellers, who many consider today to have be proto-socialists. Quoting from Wikipedia:​
The Levellers were a political movement active during the English Civil War who were committed to popular sovereignty, extended suffrage, equality before the law and religious tolerance. The hallmark of Leveller thought was its populism, as shown by its emphasis on equal natural rights, and their practice of reaching the public through pamphlets, petitions and vocal appeals to the crowd.​
Eventually, fearing their influence within his New Model Army, Cromwell turned against the Levellers and the populist movement was eventually suppressed. However, it is worth bearing in mind here that after the restoration of the Stuart monarchy under Charles II, many Puritans, fed up with oppression from the Anglican established church, would set sail for the New World to establish settlements in the young English colonies taking many of these reformist ideals with them, many of which would eventually be enshrined in the Constitution of the United States of America.

It is also curious that in the late 18th century, the Illuminati's rallying call was to overturn thrones and altars, as would be demonstrated most vividly in the French Revolution, which was led by the Masonic Jacobins after the Grand Lodge of Paris had been "illuminised" by agents of Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati.

Mention of the Grand Lodge of Paris brings us back to Scottish Rite Freemasonry, the 33rd Degree and the issue of the "struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines." This is because the Stuart Kings of England and Scotland were the Grand Masters of Freemasonry and held in their possession the main written works setting out the Masonic rituals. When James II was forced to abdicate and flee to France in 1689, he was succeeded by his daughter Mary and her husband William of Orange, who thus usurped the ("out of sequence") right of James's son, also James, to ascend the throne. However, James II took with him into exile all the authorities on Masonic ritual, leaving English Freemasons to reinvent the rituals as best they could, these attempts eventually being codified in James Anderson’s Masonic Constitutions of 1723.

The roots of French Freemasonry, and by extension that of American Freemasonry, are therefore not to be found in English Masonic ritual but in the original Scottish version held by the Stuart Kings as the hereditary heads of Scottish Freemasonry. According to some sources, Freemasonry was introduced in France in 1725, the founders being three Catholic Jacobites (supporters of the exiled Stuarts) with flowery Scottish names, exiles from their own country – Derwentwater, MacLeane and O’Héguerty. I attach a link to a potted history of French Freemasonry (see: Freemasonry In France: A Brief History – The Postil Magazine) from which I quote as follows:​
On the eve of the Revolution, there were 650 lodges and some 35,000 affiliates, if not more. It was this new, predominantly Protestant Freemasonry that undoubtedly played a major role in the genesis of the Revolution. The revolutionary principle was at work there, all the more effective as it was more involuntary, implicit and discreet. From discretion to secrecy, there is only one step. The Grand Lodge was regulator until 1773. It was then that the Grand Orient took over. It emphasized the revolutionary trait, and therefore enforced it.

What is true of the French Revolution may also be true of the Russian Revolution since Czar Nicholas II had allowed the Masonic lodges to be legalised and re-established after the first Russian Revolution of 1905. During this brief Masonic renaissance, the Grand Orient of Russia's Peoples seceded from the Grand Orient de France, with Nikolai Vissarionovich Nekrasov and Alexander Kerensky as the movement's main leaders. Quoting from a potted history of Freemasonry in Russia (see: Russian Freemasonry 1731-1979):
In 1908 a number of Russians, who had been Initiated in irregular French Grand Orient Lodges, opened two Lodges in Russia, one in St. Petersburg and one in Moscow. The irregular Grand Lodge of France also established two, and subsequently other Lodges were opened in Nijni-Novgorod and Kiev, but when the Russian government started to take notice of them in the following year, operations were suspended. In 1911, meetings were resumed on a more judicious basis, and at the time of the outbreak of the First World War, there were some forty Lodges owing obedience to the irregular Grand Orient of France. Some became dormant during the war but twenty-eight were in existence at the time of the March 1917 revolution, and their members took an active part in these events.

... these Masonic gatherings cannot be called Masonic Lodges in the orthodox sense. Owing allegiance to the irregular Grand Orient of France, they were essentially political in their aims as well as being anti-religious.​

Whatever may have been the case, Czar Nicholas was overthrown and he and his family executed in July 1918 by the revolutionaries, some of whose leaders had no doubt been or were Freemasons - but not Lenin, Stalin or Trotsky apparently (although there have been claims that Stalin was initiated in his youth). In 1922, the Bolsheviks had all the Masonic lodges closed.

One wonders how Freemasonry might have developed on the Continent though if Great Britain had remained under the rule of Catholic James II and his son (James) and grandson (Charles) rather than under his two daughters, the Protestant Mary and Anne (the last Stuart monarch). Would it have had such a revolutionary nature? Who Knows?

What was true of France and perhaps Russia may also have been true of revolutionary America where many of the founding fathers were high ranking Scottish Rite Freemasons including George Washington, the first President. Would the American Revolution in 1776 have occurred if Charles Stuart had been sitting on the throne of America rather than the Hanoverian King George III. You may argue that it would make no difference but I am not so sure. I understand that a group of American revolutionary representatives approached the aging Prince Charles Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie) when he was living in Rome to offer him the throne of America. Since he had no legitimate issue (he did in fact have an illegitimate daughter who he legitimised but she predeceased him) he declined their offer as he was concerned that the throne should not fall back into the hands of the Hanoverians upon his death.

But then if King Edward V or his brother the Duke of York had successfully taken back the English throne for the Plantagenets from the usurper, Henry Tudor (Henry VII), there would have been no Henry VIII, Elizabeth I or Stuart dynasty and thus quite possibly no English Reformation, English Civil War, British Empire or United States of America. How different the world might be now.

This leads me to wonder whether the Brotherhood in the guise of the Illuminati (the "Sword Keepers of the Lock"), the Templars, the Rosicrucians and whoever else (not forgetting the subterranean Nation of the Third Eye) may have been quietly steering events on the Earth's surface to ensure history has gone the way they intend it to in order to secure the optimum timeline for their plans post the transition to 4th density.​
 
This leads me to wonder whether the Brotherhood in the guise of the Illuminati (the "Sword Keepers of the Lock"), the Templars, the Rosicrucians and whoever else (not forgetting the subterranean Nation of the Third Eye) may have been quietly steering events on the Earth's surface to ensure history has gone the way they intend it to in order to secure the optimum timeline for their plans post the transition to 4th density.
I believe all the circumstantial evidence provided in your extensive posts points to that.

Based on the evidence I think any jury would say:

"Guilty, Your Honor!":-D
 
The discussion of pertinent mythology and royal bloodlines seems focused on a very small group in and arouned present day Europe and those cultures and people that are somewhat related.

That would seem to be a problem.
 
Q: (L) So another one, sleeping. When they're sleeping, why are they sleeping?

A: Recoup soul energy to enable them to face the difference between what they expected and what actually is.

Q: (L) So in general, it would behoove people to have reasonable expectations about what it's like to pass over to the other side, to die, to go to the other space. Is that it? Because then they wouldn't spend time sleeping.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And they wouldn't need to recoup soul energy from having all the wrong ideas.

A: Yes.

In Plato’s Phaedo, Socrates is talking to two Pythagoreans and it sounds like he speaks their language (as in, maybe Plato was sharing some handed-down knowledge from Pythagoras).

They are talking about death and the afterlife and Socrates says, “It is likely that those who established the mystic rites for us were not inferior persons but were speaking in riddles long ago when they said that whoever arrives in the underworld uninitiated and unsanctified will wallow in the mire, whereas he who arrives there purified and initiated will dwell with the gods”.

It’s easy to take that as meaning that only the good or holy get to go to heaven, but it sounds to me more like it was known long ago that a lack of prior accurate knowledge of the nature of existence after death leads people to end up in a situation they would rather have avoided, and could have avoided had they been properly prepared.
 
Switching tracks and reverting back to Gobekli Tepe again and its dating, its seems from this informative podcast by Danny Jones (see link below) that others are becoming aware that the site may be older than archaeologists believe based on radiocarbon datings, as proposed by the C's:​
(Ryan) Is the hypothesized dating for the earliest construction of Gobekli Tepe (9700 - 9500 BCE) approximately correct?

A: About 1k years off.

Q: (L) About 1000 years off. That means older, like 10,700?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So it's a little bit older than what... Well, you would imagine that they would try to make it as young as they possibly could and get away with it.

See:

As Ben Van Kerkwyk explains in the podcast, Gobekli and Karahan Tepe could have been constructed in two different separate phases, and that the huge columns could be much older than the surrounding dry walls, that seem to have been laid there in a different time. The fact that the dating of the site was done from samples inside the dry walls and not surrounding the huge pillars, the actual dates could be totally different.

What intrigues me here is that the T pillars on these sites once stood on their own as stone circles without any stone circular walls built around them or encompassing them.
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This seems to bear out what the C's said about the structures being buried to protect them from later generations, as the stone walls would have acted to protect the standing pillars:
Q: (Joe) Was it an observatory for observing movement of the skies, basically, in anticipation of another...?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And they tried to leave a message to future generations about cyclical catastrophes or periodic...?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) And they succeeded because it's been decoded recently.

(L) Yeah. Somebody's done some really good work decoding it.

(Ryan) Was Gobekli Tepe deliberately buried by later generations?

A: No. Buried to protect it from later generations. See Settegast.

Ben Van Kerkwyk mentions in the podcast the work of Martin Sweatman who apparently has made a link between cometary activity (i.e., the Younger Dryas Event) and the structures at Gobekli Tepe. I attach a link to Sweatman's blog in which he sets out the main findings from his archaeoastronomical studies of the site for those who may be interested - See: Prehistory Decoded

If you mentally strip away the circular stone walls and imagine the T pillars standing on their own, it somewhat reminds me of the ancient Neolithic site called the 'Ring of Brodgar', which is located in the Orkney Islands of Scotland:

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The imposing Ring of Brodgar near Stromnness​

This atmospheric ring of standing stones, some standing over 5m (16.4ft) tall, sits between Skara Brae and Maeshowe. Twenty-one of the original 60 stones still stand among the heather, gnarled by millennia of Scottish weather. These mysterious giants inspire many questions, and archaeologists are still debating their purpose.

This standing stone circle is close to the ancient settlement of Skara Brae, which is northern Europe’s best-preserved Neolithic village. Although it has been dated to 3,000 BC, one wonders whether like Gobekli Tepe, the site may be much older than this.​

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I can't help noticing a certain similarity between these Neolithic structures on the Orkney Islands and those at Gobekli Tepe. This may be no mere coincidence, since the two groups who constructed these sites may possibly have been linked. Maybe that link even involves what Laura has referred to as the 'Scottish Question':
Q: (L) I am curious about what I call the "Scottish Question." Why is it that every time I start a paper trail on any issue of conspiracy, there always seems to be a link to Scotland and Scots?

A: "Celtic," what does it mean?

Q: (L) Well, the word "kilt" comes from "Celtic," but no one seems to know where they originated... they just sort of appeared on the landscape, so to speak.

A: Exactly!

Q: (L) Are you going to tell us?

A: No, not just as of yet.

Q: (L) So, there is some interesting connection! (RC) Does it mean "warrior race?"

A: If you prefer! We have close affiliation with the "Northern Peoples." Why? Because we were in regular, direct contact with them on Kantek, before they were "lifted" to Earth by Orion STS.
It is interesting that the archaeologists believe Skara Brae pre-dates Stonehenge. If so, the site would have to be older than 8,000 BC, which is when the C's said Stonehenge was built:
Session 22 August 1998:
Q: (L) Now, on to the questions I have prepared: In a previous session you said that the pyramid was built 10,643 years ago. That would be 8,649 BC. Is that a correct figure, or was there any corruption?

A: Yes. Correct.

Q: Then you talked about the pyramid as a focuser of energy to do ‘all things’ or many things. Later we asked about Stonehenge and you said that Stonehenge was built 6,000 BC by Druids, an early Aryan group, as an energy director to do ‘all things.’ This seems to be that both structures had similar design functions. Is that correct?

A: No. Stonehenge is a vector of energy derived from Solar and Cosmic rays. Pyramids focus electromagnetic energy from the atmosphere ambiently. Stonehenge was built 8,000 BC, by the way.

Q: If it was built in 8,000 BC, and the Pyramids were built 8,649 BC, which is 10,643 years ago, more or less, that means that they were built at almost the same time, or at least within 600 years of each other. If they were built at almost the same time, were they built by the same, or similar groups of people?

A: Atlantean descendants.

Q: Obviously the Great Pyramid is a marvel of engineering - and Stonehenge is as well - yet the two structures are so dissimilar. The Pyramid presents such a finished and sharp and elegant appearance, and Stonehenge might give a person - of course that is based on how it appears today - a more primitive presentation.

A: Was not originally.

Q: Did they work in conjunction with one another and did the two groups that built them in communication with one another?

A: No and yes.

Q: Was it two different groups? One with the Stonehenge business and one with the Pyramid business?

A: Offshoots of same group.

Q: Were they antagonistic toward one another or were they friendly toward one another?

A: No, yes.

If the people who built Stonehenge were an offshoot of the same group (the builders of Goblekli Tepe?) who also spawned the builders of the Great Pyramid at Giza, then I would query whether the people who built the Ring of Brodgar and Skara Brae were in turn an offshoot of the group who built Stonehenge. If so, it certainly would account for the similarity in design between the stone circles at Goblekli Tepe and the Ring of Brodgar and the circular stone buildings at Skara Brae.

Further evidence for the great antiquity of the people who occupied Scotland in the Paleolithic and Neolithic periods has recently emerged in the form of Subterranean roadways that may be as old as 9,000 BC:​
'Ultimate adventure story': Submerged stone circles reveal perilous migration of prehistoric people to far northern Scotland 11,000 years ago
Story by Kristina Killgrove (See link: MSN)​
The discovery of submerged stone circles and Stone Age tools on the Isle of Skye reveals that humans occupied what is now northern Scotland about 11,000 years ago.

The finding indicates that these people braved a volatile landscape of glaciers and fluctuating coastlines in northern Scotland, venturing much farther north than experts once believed.

"This is a hugely significant discovery which offers a new perspective on the earliest human occupation yet known, of north-west Scotland," Karen Hardy, a prehistoric archaeologist at the University of Glasgow, said in a statement. Hardy and colleagues published a study of two archaeological sites on the Isle of Skye in the Journal of Quaternary Science in April.

Until recently, little was known about the earliest settlements in Scotland, due to factors such as sea-level rise and the lack of organic remains to radiocarbon-date archaeological sites there, the researchers noted in the study.

But Hardy and colleagues' discovery of numerous stone tools shaped into points, blades and scrapers in a style called Ahrensburgian — which was in use across north-central Europe during the Late Upper Paleolithic — has provided evidence that hunter-gatherers made their way across the forbidding Isle of Skye coastline more than 11,000 years ago.

Given the C's said that Stonehenge was built in 8,000 BC, perhaps these people were not just simple hunter gatherers but, like those at Goblekli Tepe, were in fact a sophisticated people capable of building monumental stone circle structures that encoded sacred geometry and had alignments with the winter and summer solstices and specific star constellations, just as Martin Sweatman has argued concerning those who built Goblekli Tepe.

However, the C's also said that Stonehenge was built by the Druids, which suggests that the Druids (who are a priesthood usually linked with the Celts) have a much older pedigree than we realise. Could this ancient priesthood have been present at Goblekli Tepe I wonder? If so, could they have been representatives of the "Northern Peoples" with whom the C's said they had regular, direct contact on Kantek before that planet exploded?
 
(L) Okay, so we have questions tonight and let me just quickly ask, is our suggestion for ClaudiaYG to do the carnivore diet, is it good and beneficial for her?
A: Indeed and for many. Slight variations for each though.
Thanks for the interesting session. Regarding the carnivore diet, I've become a fairly competent deer hunter and have kilos and kilos of meat. I turn a lot of it into jerky, especially the tougher, gamier cuts which I nibble on during the day. It's delicious and a great appetite suppressant, would be nice if it was fattier but venison is very lean and what fat there is, rather gamey. There's glands everywhere in a deer; they're often buried in fat and they can stink! I just use salt, pepper and liquid smoke in the jerky; the other parts of the deer I'll eat as steaks and I'll slow cook the collagen rich shanks. Is this a good way to go about it? I generally don't gut the deer so as to leave some for the wild animals so I rarely take the organ meat just neck, legs and backstraps. I leave the rest for the eagles and other critters. Australia has extremely thin soil so it's a good idea to leave some nutrients.
Pity I can't share this abundance with you, it's delicious, got this old boy after his herd had an altercation with a mob of kangaroos who panicked them and they ran right in front of me! No love lost between roos and deer! Tanning my first skin too, looking good so far.
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@MJF I like your post, but is it ok if you limit a bit the usage of colors in the text? It gets distracting and some of us use the forum with dark theme, and sometimes it doesn't read well when the text has different colors. Nothing big, just that, sorry for the off-topic.
 
Given the C's said that Stonehenge was built in 8,000 BC, perhaps these people were not just simple hunter gatherers but, like those at Goblekli Tepe, were in fact a sophisticated people capable of building monumental stone circle structures that encoded sacred geometry and had alignments with the winter and summer solstices and specific star constellations, just as Martin Sweatman has argued concerning those who built Goblekli Tepe.
Some speculation on the post-Ice-Age history:

The C's mentioned that there have been two different major groups: the circle people and the pyramid builders. They had apparently different philosophies and may have been opposed to each other.

Considering that the Goebekli Tepe period immediately predates the construction of Stonehenge around 8000 BC (according to the C's), as well as the fact that Goebekli Tepe appears to have been intentionally buried - one possibility is that the circle people moved away from Anatolia to Western Europe (and maybe elsewhere). The whole megalith erecting culture possibly originated from the circle people.

Anatolia was close to the pyramid builders post-Atlantis culture in Egypt and it appears that they began to spead out in the Middle East at some point, eg. the Zigurrat constructions in Sumeria appear to be the work of the pyramid builders group. Maybe this spreading out of the pyramid group was the reason for the circle people to bury Goebekli Tepe and move far away to the edge of Western Europe.

Britain became habitable again only around 8000 or 9000 BC and the Doggerland land bridge was also still present at that time. Though considering that some of the Stonehenge megaliths came from Scotland and Wales, the circle people probably had some seafaring abilities as well at some point.
 
@MJF I like your post, but is it ok if you limit a bit the usage of colors in the text? It gets distracting and some of us use the forum with dark theme, and sometimes it doesn't read well when the text has different colors. Nothing big, just that, sorry for the off-topic.
That's curious, because in light mode there is no text in different color except for the links. I changed between light and dark a couple times and there appears to be an odd discrepancy where in dark mode some parts have changed color compared to light mode. You can check this yourself.
 
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