Assistance could be multiple things, like the Atlanteans who also had assistance from lizards beings to develop their tech (Cs could also have referred to the same Atlantean era), our own modern civilization also had one way or another help from lizard beings or 4D STS to develop the current tech we have. If the sole idea that negroes we’re transported by lizard beings because of this:
Then I think its answered already by Cs that Native American were the ones transferred and perhaps some others moved by themselves from other areas prior to that cataclysmic event 7200, which would explain why some indigenous people look a bit different to others native Americans. For example, there are Peruvian natives with green and blue eyes that have no connection with any other culture, just to put an example. Which by the way, according to the Cs Machu Picchu (in Peru) was build 12009 BC way older than any mesoamerican known culture.
But genetically speaking all indigenous in the americas have zero connection to African people across the continent prior to the colonial period, official archeologist said that Mayans among other civilizations were direct descendants of these Olmecs because of the timeline, but I highly doubt it, beside there is no direct proven connection, only to the fact of being older culture, and that Mayans were inspired by them through stories, astronomical systems and art.
I agree with you that it is very difficult to tie down who was doing what and when in Central and South America based on current archaeological knowledge. It helps that researchers like Graham Hancock have been prepared to challenge the current historical model and to propose that there was an earlier worldwide civilisation (Atlantis) that collapsed during the Younger Dryas Event but left behind shared archaic knowledge. As you say, there are perhaps unknown civilisations in the Americas that have come and gone that we know nothing about. Indeed, in my earlier post, I posted an article on one that has only recently been discovered in Colombia.
Although I have proposed that the Lizards or Greys could have transported a group of Negros from Africa to Central America to establish the Olmec civilisation and act as enforcers over the local Amerindians, my theory is not set in concrete. Thank you for posting the follow up extract where the C's provided further clarification on who built the mysterious city of Teotihuacan. Where they said it was built by a group you wouldn't recognize even if named, shows that there are whole chapters missing in the history of Central America. However, when you had previously asked them whether the Olmecs were the original builders of Teotihuacan they had said "close enough." This leaves me wondering whether the Olmecs had assisted the Lizards and this other human group in its original construction or were they involved in its later reconstruction given what the C's said in the extract below:
Q: (L) Who built the city of Tiahuanaco?
A: The Lizard Beings in cooperation with humans.
Q: (L) When was it built?
A: Varying time frames since it seems to have been destroyed at two points. We have to estimate an average of 8,000 years prior to the current time, as you measure it.
If the Olmecs did play a part in its original construction, this suggests that their presence in Central America dates back to at least 6,000 BC.
I am glad you mentioned the city of
Machu Picchu in Peru, which the C's said was built in 12,009 BC and thus before the Deluge. This makes it one of the oldest cities in the world if not the oldest. Although historians attribute its building to the Inca, they themselves have never claimed that their ancestors built it, although no doubt they may have occupied it at some stage prior to the Spanish conquest. What strikes me though is that it is built in stone. If it was an Atlantean city (built by one of the three Atlantean races) it seem to be a bit crude for a civilisation that was supposedly more advanced then our own. Sure you can see towns in our own age built from stone or brick but most modern cities feature skyscrapers made from steel and concrete etc. Machu Picchu looks rather primitive by comparison. It hardly looks space age even though the C's said the Atlanteans were a spacefaring society.
As to the Egyptians visiting South America, there is not much in the way of proof for this in the historical records, although there are certainly tales of Egyptian princes having conducted long range voyages of exploration. The Egyptians gave names for some of the destinations of these voyages but it is not easy to recognise which countries or even continents they were referring to. There have even been claims that they may have reached North America (including the Grand Canyon in Colorado) and Australia (see the Gosford Glyphs:
Gosford Glyphs - Wikipedia) but none of these claims are are sustainable and are rejected by Egyptologists as hoaxes. That being said, Laura once asked the C's about white men visiting South America in ancient times and they confirmed that it had been Egyptians and Atlantean descendants:
Q: What white men were seen in South America and talked to the tribes there and promised to return one day and were worshipped as Gods.
A: Egyptians and Atlantean descendants.
Q: What did the Atlanteans do to bring this karma on us such that the Grays and Lizzies...
A: Worshipped and served self to extreme.
Now I am not sure which timeframe Laura had in mind here and the C's also refer to Atlantean descendants, which is a bit vague as most of us can be viewed as being Atlantean descendants. Their answer may mean though that we are talking about two different groups visiting at different times. The Egyptians did, of course, have Nubian slaves, some of whom could have gone on these transatlantic voyage with them and some may possibly have remained behind. This would be long before the Spanish and Portuguese colonisation of South America where black slaves were transported to the new colonies to work plantations.
As to "Atlantean descendants", they could have had the Celts and Phoenicians in mind here since there is increasing evidence that the Celts and Phoenicians had visited North America in ancient times (perhaps as far back as 800 BC), including establishing trading networks with the Native American Indians and long term settlements. I have written about this subject before on different threads and would refer people to the work of
Professor Barry Fell and his ground breaking book
America BC (see:
Barry Fell - Wikipedia) in which he proposed that translations of inscriptions found on rock surfaces and artifacts in North and South America were written in
Old World scripts and languages including Ogham script (used by Irish and Iberian Celts) and Phoenician. Although his works were dismissed by accredited historians and archaeologists, he did find support in some academic quarters:
David H. Kelley, an archaeologist at the
University of Calgary who is credited with a major breakthrough in the decipherment of
Mayan glyphs, complained about Fell in a 1990 essay: "
Fell's work [contains] major academic sins, the three worst being distortion of data, inadequate acknowledgment of predecessors, and lack of presentation of alternative views." In the same essay, however, Kelley went on to state that "
I have no personal doubts that some of the inscriptions which have been reported are genuine Celtic ogham." Kelley concluded
: "Despite my occasional harsh criticism of Fell's treatment of individual inscriptions, it should be recognized that without Fell's work there would be no [North American] ogham problem to perplex us. We need to ask not only what Fell has done wrong in his epigraphy, but also where we have gone wrong as archaeologists in not recognizing such an extensive European presence in the New World."
Q: What group mined the copper in northern Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, like in Isle Royale?
A: Aryans.
Q: What did they want the copper for?
A: Weapons.
Q: Wouldn't iron make better weapons?
A: Not in 4th density.
The Aryan Celts were (and are) renowned throughout history as skilled miners with known ancient mine workings in the Iberian Peninsula and Great Britain (especially Tin in Cornwall and Devon).
Ursus Minor made us aware in his last post of evidence of Australian Aboriginal DNA in the ancient Americas (see:
Session 26 April 2025).
As usual, the archaeologists and anthropologists are still clinging to the
Bering Land Bridge theory, even though there is no evidence of any Australasian or Oceana DNA amongst North America Indian peoples living on the west coast of America. The archaeologists cannot bring themselves to consider that ancient people could have undertaken long distance sea voyages, even though Polynesians have been known for their seafaring skills without reliance on modern navigation methods and technology.
However, is it possible that South America was influenced by even more easterly influences, as far east perhaps as the Indian Sub-continent? The answer to this question may be found at the
San Agustín Archaeological Park in Colombia:
The San Agustín Archaeological Park
(Spanish:
Parque Arqueológico de San Agustín) is a large archaeological area located near the town of
San Agustín in
Huila Department in Colombia. The park contains the largest collection of religious monuments and
megalithic sculptures in Latin America and is considered the world's largest necropolis. Belonging to
San Agustin culture, it was declared a
UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1995. The dates of the statues are uncertain, but they are believed to have been carved between 5–400 AD. The origin of the carvers remains a mystery, as the site is largely unexcavated.
On the Alton Towers thread, I was made aware by Forum member
N1mTzo of some incredible Hindu-related stone carvings at the Temple of
Candi Sukuh located in Berjo, Ngargoyoso district,
Karanganyar Regency, Central Java, Indonesia (see:
Sukuh - Wikipedia) . Quoting
N1mTzo:
This is a very strange place, which is several stone buildings, including a pyramid similar to the Mayan pyramid (from Mesoamerica, but we are in INDONESIA). In addition, there are stone statues and stone bas-reliefs that contain interesting scenes.
Here is all we have there:
- people with elongated skulls, including giants.
- reptilian creatures with elongated skulls.
- scenes of hybrid creatures. Hybrids of pigs and cows (pigs with horns and tails of cows). Hybrids of people and reptiles.
- a weird guy with a big head (and the appearance of a gray alien) and the beard of an Egyptian pharaoh (let me remind you, we are in Indonesia).
This prompted me to respond:
You also mention that there are several stone buildings, including a pyramid similar to the Mayan pyramids from Mesoamerica, at Candi Sukuh. This might suggest there was some cross contact in ancient times (certainly pre-Columban) between Indonesia and South America. Is there anything in South America, on the other side of the Pacific, which might back this up?
Well yes there is and, interestingly, Praveen Mohan has been there and investigated it. The site concerned is the
San Agustín Archaeological Park, which is a large archaeological area located near the town of
San Agustín in
Huila Department in Colombia, South America. So, yet again we encounter a reference to St Augustine, quoting the C's:
"And who was Saint Augustine/San Augustin... Augustus, Augustine Monks, etc?".
For more see:
San Agustín Archaeological Park - Wikipedia
In another episode of
Ancient Aliens,
Praveen Mohan was invited by
David Hatcher Childress to join him at the Park to look at the strange statues unearthed there. Mohan immediately recognised that many of these statues of the gods had counterparts in Hindu tradition. He had examples on his cell phone which he was readily able to show Childress for comparison sake.
The statues present both anthropomorphic and zoomorphic features (from crocodiles, bats and jaguars), having short legs. There were found approximately 300 statues. They were painted in bright colours, mainly yellow, red, black and white, but today only a few of them are still coloured.
The statues vary in height, the tallest being 23 feet (7.0 m) tall. In other regions of the archaeological site where large burial mounds are located, you will see more intimidating figures such as snakes, frogs, and birds strategically place to stand guard for increased protecting during the afterlife. Statues of deities or carving on the ground, of both solar gods, males, and lunar gods, females. These figures and statues provide researchers with some limited insight into the civilization's perception of life and death (see examples below).
You will note that the statue above bears something of a resemblance to some of the anthropomorphic stone statues discovered at Göbekli Tepe.
The statue above may be depicting the same fanged deity as the previous statue but this time the figure is covered by a dolmen, a megalithic structure commonly seen in Celtic Western Europe but also in North America too. The dates of the statues are uncertain, but they are believed to have been carved between 5–400 AD. The origin of the carvers remains a mystery, as the site is largely unexcavated.
The statues at Temple of Candi Sukuh could not have been carved any earlier than the 1st century AD, so there is the chance that the statues at San Agustín Archaeological Park may be fairly contemporary. If Praveen Mohan is correct in his assertions, then the similarity with Hindu iconography suggests
there may well have been some cultural contact between Hindus from either India or Indonesia (or elsewhere) and the native peoples who then inhabited this part of Colombia.
I am also intrigued by the birdman statue discovered at Candi Sukuh for in Hindu mythology the birdman (a symbol also frequently seen in MesoAmerica) the birdman usually signifies the Hindu deity Garuda. Garuda is usually shown either in a zoomorphic form (a giant bird with partially open wings) or an anthropomorphic form (a man with wings and some ornithic features). Below is an Indian depiction of Garuda for comparison purposes:
Throughout the Mahabharata, Garuda is invoked as a symbol of impetuous violent force, speed, and martial prowess. I therefore suggest that the Indonesian statue is most probably an Indonesian stylised version of Garuda. Perhaps a link may also be found here with Central and South American flying serpent gods such as
Quetzalcoatl in Aztec Mexico and
Kukulkan, who was revered by the Yucatec Maya.
For the whole exchange with
N1mTzo see the link:
Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians
If the links between these two cultures based on different continents is valid, then it drives a coach and horses through the archaeologists claims that there was no cultural exchanges between these lands in ancient times.
I have made references to the Lizards' involvement in the lives of Central and South American peoples in the guise of Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan for example, which mirrors their involvement with the peoples of the Middle East where they hid behind the guise of deities such as
Baal and
Yahweh but what about Indonesia? Perhaps the most interesting photo of Candi Sukuh posted by
N1mTzo was the one shown directly below:
Tell me if you think the image second from the right doesn't remind you of a Grey alien. Is the image immediately to the alien's right also not that of an upright reptilian? Contrast the above image with the images of the Egyptian god Ptah shown below on the right:
As to the influence of the Lizards on these cultures, I am reminded of what the C's said here:
A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years ago, as you measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid "dudes" came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?
Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?
A: Yup.
And, of course, the island of Java is not a million miles away from the Lizard built Temple in the Cambodian city of Angkor Wat that was lost in the jungle until it was rediscovered in the 16th century by Portuguese traders and missionaries:
Q: (L) Who built the city of Angkor Wat?
A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built approximately 3108 years ago.
Q: (L) Who built the city of Mohenjo Daro?
A: That also was built by the Lizard Beings directly.
Q: (L) Did they live in these cities?
A: No, as stated before, they did not live there, they visited or occupied on a temporary basis, but did not live there.
Q: (L) Who did they build the cities for?
A: They built the cities for themselves and their worshippers amongst humans.
Now the construction of Angkor Wat in Cambodia in 1100 BC is closer both geographically and in time to the construction of Candi Sukuh in Indonesia than to Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan in 4000 BC. Could the Lizards have had, therefore, a similar involvement with the Indonesians, which might explain the discovery of the elongated skulls of reptilian beings (who presumably died in 3D to have left their physical remains behind)? We should recall here how the C's once described the Lizard beings to Laura:
Q: (L) And could you tell us what the Lizzies look like?
A: Upright alligators with some humanoid features in face.
What this shows is just how active and how involved the Lizards were at this time with the peoples of these countries, which are located on different continents.
Now you mentioned the Peruvian natives with green and blue eyes that seemingly have no connection with any other culture. This makes me think immediately of the strange elongated Paracas skulls found in that region of Peru, which have much larger jaws than those of normal human beings. and a larger brain capacity, where recent DNA studies suggest a Middle Eastern Link (and even a potential link to Scotland) and thus possibly a connection to the human hybrid that history remembers as Queen Nefertiti, the wife of Pharaoh Akhenaten and later of Abraham/Moses, who the C's described as a "deep level punctuator" with links to the Aryan subterranean or underworld civilisation known as the Nation of the Third Eye.
New DNA Testing on 2,000-Year-Old Elongated Paracas Skulls Changes Known History
From the samples, only the mitochondrial DNA (DNA from the mother’s side) could be extracted. Out of four hair samples, one of them couldn’t be sequences. The remaining three hair samples all showed a Haplogroup (genetic population group) of H2A, which is found most frequently in Eastern Europe, and at a low frequency in Western Europe.
The bone powder from the most elongated skull tested came back as T2B, which originates in Mesopotamia and what is now Syria, essentially the heart of the fertile crescent. “It rewrites history as we know it,” said Marzulli.
“If these results hold,” writes Brien Foerster on his website Hidden Inca Tours, “the history of the migration of people to the Americas is far more complex than we have been told previously.”
If these results are confirmed through further tests, it means that people from Europe and the Middle East migrated to the Americas long before it is conventionally believed.
However, mention of the Nation of the Third Eye brings us back to the Olmecs again, since according to the C's they seemed to have had their own link to the Nation of the Third Eye, a link depicted in artwork as a cleft carved into the forehead.
Session 12 April 1997:
Q: … Now, I would like to know who the Olmecs were.
A: Be more specific.
Q: Okay, what is the genetic origin of the Olmecs?
A: Basically the same as yours.
Q: In some of the ancient carvings of the Olmecs, they were always carved with a cleft in their foreheads. Did this represent an actual physical cleft?
A: Designation in the art work is for "The Nation of the Third Eye."
So, although up to now we have focused on the connection between the Olmecs and the Lizard beings, they may also have had a connection to the Nation of the Third Eye, thus bringing another Orion affiliated group into the mix. Does this suggest the Olmec had direct contact with representatives of the Nation of the Third Eye or was it merely a psychic link? And where the C's tell Laura that the Olmecs genetic origin was basically the same as hers, does this suggest a Caucasian connection, as with the Nubians, rather than an Atlantean "red man" connection as with the Maya?
I have to confess, I find it chilling that this human interaction with the Lizzies acting as our would be gods could be resurrected again soon according to the C's if we are not careful:
Q: (L) Did any aliens at all, and specifically the Lizzies, ever live among mankind and receive worship?
A: They did not live among mankind, but they did interact directly with human beings, at various points in the past. It was at those points when human beings were ready, willing and able to accept deities appearing directly from outside sources and then worship them. Such things would not have occurred in the recent past. But, beware, it may very well occur very soon.
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