For me: in a sense yes and in a sense no. A military engaged in a "just cause" doesn't magically make that military STO in nature. It is still a military, composed predominantly of normal, ignorant, STS soldiers and officers, held together by an often inhumane hierarchy. Some of those men will be remarkable individuals, as implied in the C's quote. But the military itself is a machine designed to kill the "enemy." And that's not to say militaries only do "bad" things. They results of a war, as horrible as they are, can be positive, as can the results of any ordinary STS person. It's all just lessons, but the structure of 3D societies is inherently STS, especially so when considering that large groups of people will be "average" on the whole, and average is unremarkable in terms of "negativity" and "positivity." And in war itself, 4D STS will still feed on the suffering caused by both sides of any conflict.
I don't see it that way. I see Caesar as a remarkable man who commanded an STS hierarchy engaged in relatively routine business of state. I don't think there was anything particularly "good" or "holy" about Caesar's wars. Caesar himself didn't want the Civil War, for example. And I doubt the Roman "egregore" was 4D STO, before, during, or after Caesar's rule. However, he himself was a remarkable man. And he used the STS structures of his time to some benefit for his people. I think that is all anyone can do in politics, because all such structures are STS, by virtue of being part of this reality. To get out from under the influence of the 4D STS hierarchy is a personal thing. In other words, you can have a holy soldier or even a holy commander, but a holy army is a misnomer.
All that said, averages still apply. Any given army can be on average less or more "moral" than any other. That doesn't really make them any less STS, however. They're still part of the "Matrix."
