Session 28 June 2025

[MJF]

Not an easy answer , for one , the adamics split from what were once united parts and then there's a bunch of groups on this planet who do not share the same past , like the kantekkians for example . And then there's those whose goals are explicitly against any balanced Female /Male society/environment ,and will spare no efforts against it.

You are correct. Those forces have helped to promote both homosexuality and feminism so as to weaken the family and create a generation of dysfunctional people who will be much easier to control without the support network that family provides. The C's actually implicated the CIA in promoting the gay movement in America:
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(Ailén) So the way that some homosexuals are overidentified with being gay, like gay bars and that stuff, that has to be just cultural then...?

A: The gay "movement" is a CIA program incepted by 4D STS designed to set up antipathy, differences, and to identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering.

Q: (L) Huh.

A: It is the soul that counts.​

In turn the C's told us elsewhere that the CIA and NSA are the offspring of the Nazis who had strong links to the 3D/4D STS underworlders and the Lizzies:
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A: Now, some history... as you know, the CIA and NSA and other agencies are the children of Nazi Gestapo... the SS, which was experiment influenced by Antareans who were practicing for the eventual reintroduction of the Nephalim on to 3rd and or 4th density earth. And the contact with the “Antareans” was initiated by the Thule Society, which groomed its dupe subject, Adolph Hitler to be the all-time mind programmed figurehead.​

As to feminism, this too has been promoted by powerful STS orientated groups. One of the key cheerleaders of the feminist movement in the USA in the latter half of the 20th century was Gloria Steinem. It transpires that she was a CIA agent/asset who set up the Women’s Action Alliance in 1971 which received not only financial help from the Carnegie Foundation but also support from Mobil Oil, and the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations (who coincidentally also financed the Nazis rise to power) - see the article Inside The CIA With Gloria Steinem at Inside The CIA With Gloria Steinem : Overthrow Magazine : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

See also:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/443qmf/why_did_the_cia_fund_gloria_steinem

Why did the CIA fund Gloria Steinem?​

Feminism

Most readers here are probably aware that feminist icon Gloria Steinem was funded by the CIA.

This is not a controversial statement or a "conspiracy theory" but a matter of historical record.

When Ramparts magazine exposed her CIA links in 1967, she stated in a televised interview that “I was happy to find some liberals in government in those days who were far-sighted and cared enough to get Americans of all political views" to support feminism."

When the NY Times confronted Steinem about the links, she said, “The CIA’s big mistake was not supplanting itself with private funds fast enough.”

It is unlikely that Steinem was simply a "useful idiot." She had been active in the student movement since the 50's. CIA agent Samuel Walker commented on her operations thusly:

“Gloria’s group continues to do yeoman service, distributing books etc. to the point where the cry has gone up ‘Never before have so many Young Republicans distributed so much Socialist literature with such zeal...Gloria is all you said she was, and then some. She is operating on 16 synchronized cylinders and has charmed the natives....”

Was or is Steinem a "progressive" or socialist? Ms. Magazine was started with funds from the right wing millionaire Mortimer Zuckerman. She dated mostly far right wing men, including Henry Kissinger and J. Stanley Pottinger.

Steinem grew up in extreme poverty and was apparently abused by her father, so I have little doubt that she does indeed believe the feminist views she espouses. She may well have viewed far right and CIA figures as "useful idiots" themselves for funding her anti-male revolution. The more important question is: why was she being funded in the first place?

People on the populist right often claim that the CIA funded feminism to "break up the family." Aaron Russo made this argument to Alex Jones, claiming that David Rockefeller told him this personally (he was apparently friends with David).

These people point out that the CIA has never been purely about "protecting American interests" but was founded by a bunch of wall street bankers and lawyers. Originally intended as an intelligence gathering agency, it was quickly subsumed by the "OPC" or Office for Policy Coordination* which specialized in dirty tricks. It was not in "America's interest" to overthrow the mildly progressive government of Guatemala, but United Fruit had close links to the agency.

*MJF: or maybe it was subject instead to a reverse takeover by Nazi elements when in 1947 the newly minted CIA recruited the Gehlen Organization or Gehlen Org headed by Reinhard Gehlen who had previously been a Wehrmacht Major General and head of the Nazi German military intelligence in the Eastern Front during World War II. In alliance with the CIA, the military orientation of the Gehlen Organization turned increasingly toward political, economic and technical espionage against the Eastern bloc. According to one report, the Org was for many years "the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations" during the Cold War.​

It is also worth stressing that the "vast majority" of secret information "does not leak to the American public." That's according to Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, not some kook on FM radio.

Nevertheless, I do not consider this idea plausible. Conspiracies are the lifeblood of intelligence agencies like the CIA, but grand conspiracies involving the destruction of entire societies must surely be very, very difficult to pull off.

I think the reason CIA funded feminism can be found in this declassified memo from the FBI:

"The Women's Liberation Movement may be considered as subversive to the New Left and revolutionary movements as they have proven to be a divisive and factionalizing factor.... It could be well recommended as a counterintelligence movement to weaken the revolutionary movement." This was from an August, 1969 report by the head of the San Francisco FBI office."

The 1960s and COINTELPRO: In Defense of Paranoia

This was Steinem's purpose. She either did not care about the fate of the "left" or was herself opposed to its designs. Her larger purpose was to spread hatred against men, and she used her funding to full effect.

Following the successful smashing of the "New Left" by the FBI, the Ford, Rockefeller and other elite foundations began pumping large amounts of money into "gender" and "ethnic" studies on campuses.

Where once the left was primarily concerned about class, it is now concerned with divisive identity politics. Man vs Woman. White vs. Black. Straight vs. Gay. When a white man dares to bring this up, he is simply accused of being "privileged." Exhibit A is this exchange between Mark Crispin Miller and Laurie Penny during Occupy Wall Street:

So, it turns out feminism is a CIA plot to undermine the left

I am not claiming that "The CIA created feminism." Rather, they used an already existent movement rooted in biological imperatives (the desire by men to protect and provide for women, and the desire by women to be perceived as victims and in need of provision) and turned the volume up to 11.

But by funding this movement, elites may have created a Frankenstein monster like they did with Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan or the Jihadists in Syria and Libya. You can't turn gender roles upside down and expect a healthy, functioning society.

Perhaps the elites and their front organisations are carrying out someone else's agenda and that agenda is not necessarily a human one.​

 

[Firewater]

Session Date: June 28th 2025

Laura and Andromeda at the board

Niall, Joe, Gaby, Ark, PoB, Chu, Scottie, Bella, Falkor

FOTCM Members attending via Zoom:

3DStudent, A Jay, Adobe, Aeneas, Aimarok, Aiming, Alana, Alejo, Aliana, Altair, aluminumfalcon, Anamarija, Anartist, Ant22, Approaching Infinity, Aragorn, Aya, Beau, Bluefyre, Bobo08, brandon, Breton, Carl, cassandra, Cosmos, Deliverance, dugdeep, Ellipse, Ennio, Expedition26, fabric, Finduilas495, France, Gawan, genero81, Glenn, gottathink, goyacobol, Gwenllian, Harmony99, herondancer, hesperides, Hesper, Honzap, iamthatis, irjO, IronFloyd, iscreamsandwish, Jacques, Jeanne T, JEEP, Josi, Juba, Kinyash, KJN, Konstantin, Laurs, Lilou, Lilyalic + partner, Loreta, LQB, luc, Luis Miguel, Maat, maiko, marek760, Marin, Mark, Mark7, Martina, Mike, Mikkael, Mililea, Miracle, Mrs. Peel, msante, Natus Videre, Navigator, Nicholas, Nienna, Obi, Ollie, Orangescorpion, Oxajil, PopHistorian, Puma, Redrock12, Regulattor, Ryan, ryu, Saman, seek10, seeker2seer, Steph_Rivers, Stoneboss, sToRmR1dR, T.C., thorbiorn,Timotheos, Tristan, Tuatha de Danaan, Turgon, Uperios, Voyageur, Vulcan59, Windmill knight, Yas, Ysus, Zar.

Q: (L) What's today? Today is June the 28th, 2025. It's a Saturday. And the usual suspects are here [Review of those present] And all the puppy dogs. Except for Luna, who is resting. Our little puppy dog Luna is sick, so it's been a little distressing today. So I had to read over all of the questions that got picked. Apparently, there are others that didn't get picked. So... I dunno. So without further ado, since we didn't have a session last time, we'll just get started.

[Long pause before answer comes slowly. Subsequent answers come more quickly each time]

A: Xorriaea of Cassiopaea here. Waves blanketing Earth pose problems for transmission. Persist.

Q: (L) Where are these waves coming from?

A: Clash of cosmic energies.

Q: (L) So they're not deliberate human efforts.

A: No.

Q: (Joe) Is it temporary?

A: Hopefully.

Q: (L) You say clash of cosmic energies... Are these clashes of cosmic energies purely cosmic, or are they clashing with some kinds of Earth energies?

A: Latter.

Q: (L) So energies of the Earth in some way are clashing with the cosmic energies?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Can anybody think of a question to ask to get closer to that?

(Joe) Is the Earth energy that's being produced partly a function of human consciousness at the moment?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is it the mass confusion or mass evil or mass disruption of some sort on Earth that's not aligning with cosmic energy?

A: Close

Q: (Gaby) Is it connected to the inner core heating up, reflecting human consciousness?

A: Close

Q: (L) So human consciousness is causing or interacting with the internal energies of the Earth itself, which is producing waves, which are then in some kind of conflict with cosmic energies?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is there anything we can or should do about this?

A: Meditate en masse.

Q: (L) So large numbers of people should meditate and try to bring some kind of peace or resolution to the Earth?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Things really are, I mean... After this business with Iran and Israel and with the stuff still going on in Palestine and these crazy women that are running the EU and that Estonian woman, what's her name?

(Niall) Kaja Kallas.

(Niall) And the heat. There's extreme heat over much of the northern hemisphere.

(L) Yeah. So everything is kind of in a really ugly... I mean, it's almost like it's just being brought to a boiling point.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. Alright. Let me look at the questions. I'm going to start out with how they're listed.

(Beau) Our cat, Louie, has been missing for over a week. Is Louie alive?

A: No

Q: (L) Did something happen to him in the woods?

A: Yes

Q: (L) What?

A: Predator.

Q: (L) Okay. And I want to say to Expedition26 about your CPS custody case. That's what you have lawyers for, okay? Talk to your lawyer, please. Now, I want to get to the question for worldbridger in Sweden. Now, he's not part of the private forum, but he's been a long-time FOTCM member and he's been here to visit and we know him. He's been in a really dreadful physical shape for some time, so I'm going to make an exception for his case here. And he says:

(worldbridger) Approximately 12 years ago I had an experience that is not possible to put into words, trying to describe it just falls flat, there are no references, I have no words.

In hindsight it felt like it was a culmination of several years of odd coincidences, insights, dreams, work on myself, etc. Life was amazing, in all sorts of ways. Best physical/mental/emotional shape of my life, after that my health started to fall apart.

Background:



What actually happened that winter night 12 years ago?

A: Abduction trauma.

Q: (worldbridger) Why did it happen?

A: You were targeted.

Q: (L) Targeted for what reason?

A: Potential usefulness for liberation.

Q: (worldbridger) Did this cause my decline or is it just a coincidence?

A: Initiated it with genetic tampering.

Q: (worldbridger) What can I do about it?

A: You have recently been given guidance. Follow up on this.

Q: (L) Okay. He talks about this experience. He says there was some kind of… he detected a light and "the light was super ancient and at the same time, newly born, all its qualities in total balance, a perfection beyond imagination, balanced in an infinite small point. It was as powerful as it was gentle and I can go on forever and so on and so forth." Why did he perceive the experience that way if it was apparently somewhat negative?

A: That is typical when 3D comes into contact with 4D.

Q: (L) Well, Approaching Infinity, where are you? Where's Approaching Infinity?

(Approaching Infinity) Here.

(L) Have you ever come across descriptions like that in abduction cases where they talk about somebody having encounters or engagement with abduction and they describe it as being wonderful? Yeah, it's common. It's all the time. It seems to me that that's fairly common. Am I correct?

(Approaching Infinity) Well, that experience of almost like a supernatural light. I mean, I guess maybe I haven't read enough full abduction cases, but that seems… that reminds me more of a near-death experience. I typically haven't seen that detail crop up as a recurring feature. There's lots of accounts, introductions of experiences with a weird light, but it's usually a property of the environment in which they're abducted or in which something's taking place, but almost described as just a design feature, like the light in a room. It's just a weird light, but no, that detail doesn't ring any bells.

(L) It does to me.

(Niall) Masquerade of Angels?

(L) Yeah, Masquerade of Angels. Have you read Masquerade of Angels, Approaching Infinity?

(Approaching Infinity) Yeah.

(Joe) It's pretty much a standard part of UFO abduction lore that in many cases the abductees are love bombed.

(L) They're so overwhelmed, they're love bombed.

(Niall) The chopper pilot, Barber.

(Approaching Infinity) That's a different issue. Yeah, there are positive emotions, but the description of an experience with the supernatural light like that, that is strange to me. Not the positive emotion.

(L) Yeah, there's so many of 'em that…

(Joe) It can be subjective to each individual.

(L) I mean, I've had people that I've worked with who described this wonderful positive, beautiful experience, infusing all this love and light into them and so forth. And then under hypnosis, I tell 'em to see it on a screen and remove all the nonsense, remove the veil, and then they see some kind of horrible abduction experience. And that actually, as far as I can see, fits with subsequent events in his life. I mean, he was feeling good. He was in good health. He was...

(Joe) Is there a particular reason why it had such a negative effect? I mean, they said there was genetic tampering and stuff. Was the outcome that worldbridger has experienced, was that intended to…?

A: Partly, but also partly due to error in return time sequence.

Q: (L) So they didn't stitch the time back together just right. And part of the other reality bled into his reality. Is that what we're looking at here?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So he was actually having a perception of 4D reality?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) And they maybe accidentally broke him a bit on the way back?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) They said in a previous session about when people are taken away or abducted and then they're put back, that there's like a blueprint that has to be matched back exactly. And if you...

(L) If you mess up the time sequence, then you can't always match it back. So he's got a little time sequence mess-up there.

(Joe) What was the guidance they said they received?

(Gaby) It's a private conversation about his disease.

(Chu) Somebody was asking on the chat, and I thought the same: "Potential usefulness for liberation"... What does that mean?

A: He had potential to help others? Still may and that could change the energy.

Q: (L) Okay. Well, I guess that's enough on that. Next question:

(daddycat) Networking and mental blocking are 4D STO principles. Respect of free will, expansion of being, and going with the natural flow are other principles that can be discerned from the sessions. Can you please give us another 4D STO principle?

(L) Well, I don't think you've extracted all you could from the sessions. I mean, I think there's plenty of others that are already there. So let's set that one aside and bring that up for a discussion because I think... Do any of you right off the top of your heads at this moment, can you think of some other STO principles that are apparent from the sessions?

(FOTCM Member) Networking.

(L) And serving others and feeling the pain of others.

(Andromeda) Mental blocking.

(L) Yeah, so I think that that can be built without necessarily getting into trying to discuss it now.

(Aiming) Is there a difference in healing methods used between 4D STS and 4D STO?

(L) I think that's also answered in the sessions, kind of in an oblique way, but it is there and I remember it was, I think it was in the June 21st or 22nd late nineties, and it was in the June 21st or 22nd session. I'm pretty sure that the C's were talking about how STS manipulates for outcomes and how STO goes with the natural flow of things and I think that would apply to healing methods as well. Is that true?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) STS heals by taking energy from others.

(L) Yeah. STS heals by taking energy from others. Is that part of it?

A: Yes

Q: (Approaching Infinity) Laura, they also said that naturopathy, and I believe homeopathy were 4D STO inspired.

(L) And that goes with that same concept. It's following natural pathways rather than direct interference. And in that sense, you can see I think that a lot of allopathic medicine is STS because it seriously interferes with natural processes. It blocks natural processes. It doesn't encourage or support natural processes and sometimes there's direct interference, so that's something also to consider. Alright.

(irjO) What specific tone or frequency, such as Hz ranges or musical notes, if any, is most effective for enhancing meditation exercises and promoting a relaxation state?

A: Varies but use pentatonic scale.

Q: (Jones) Stephen Porges Polyvagal Theory states that the ventral vagal nerve is myelinated and projects to the organs above the diaphragm, the dorsal vagal nerve is non-myelinated and projects to sub-diaphragmatic organs. However, he also mentions that there are some non-myelinated nerves that arise in the dorsal nucleus of the vagus and project to the heart in mammals. The role of these non-myelinated nerves to the heart are not definitively understood. What is the role of these non-myelinated nerves that project from the dorsal nucleus to the heart?

A: Feedback.

Q: (L) Feedback. Is Jones here?

(Chu) I don't think so.

(L) Okay, well if she's not here then I guess we can't see any further where she was thinking on that and where she wanted to go. Okay, Nienna's question:

Background: Scientists from the Solar Astronomy Laboratory at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IKI RAS) recorded a mysterious optical object above the Sun using the LASCO telescope. This image was captured on May 24, 2025, at 10:00 AM Moscow time.



(Nienna) What was the “bird" above the sun pictured on May 24th by the LASCO telescope?

A: Expulsion of mass from sun's core due to temporary opening of channel.

Q: (L) Would that have anything to do with any of the current cosmic energies?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Should we expect other odd behaviors or phenomena in relation to the sun?

A: Definitely.

Q: (L) Okay.

(Windmill Knight) What was the cause of the 28th of April blackout that affected mostly Spain and Portugal?

A: Partly sabotage of unstable system. Now is not a good time in Earth's history and trajectory to become so dependent on either electrical or solar energy.

Q: (L) Why is that?

A: The systems are likely to be "fried".

Q: (L) Well, that's friendly.

(Beau) Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself in prison?

A: No

Q: (L) Alright...

(Joe) Is Jeffrey Epstein dead?

A: No

Q: (L) Oh geez...

(Niall) Is he in Israel?

A: No

Q: (Joe) Well obviously, he can't show his face anytime soon. He can't be giving financial advice to the great and the good.

(L) Yeah, he probably had plastic surgery. He could pop up anywhere.

(Andromeda) Yeah!

(Joe) As Godfrey Epstone.

(Approaching Infinity) He went underground! [laughter]

(L) Alright, next question:

(whitecoast) In the official Canadian election results Carney and the Liberals won 44% of the vote and the Conservatives won 41%. What percentage of real, non-rigged Canadian votes went for each?

A: 48 to conservatives. 35 to libs.

Q: (L) Alright.

(Niall) So Epstein's death was staged. Why?

A: Money and blackmail dead man switch.

Q: (L) Hmm. Alright.

(Joe) So he had to have it faked because they knew he had a dead man switch, but they wanted to take him out of the game because he had been too exposed; talk about him and what he was doing...

(L) Well, if he was being taken out of the game, it was his own choice.

(Joe) Well, either that or others who were controlling him, like Mossad and stuff, decided that he needed to be removed from the scene, but they couldn't just off him like they usually would because he had a dead man switch, which would release a lot of information if he was actually killed. So they agreed or organized with him to have his death faked.

(L) Yeah. Is that close enough?

A: Close

Q: (L) Alright.

(whitecoast) Where is the stated desire of Trump to annex Canada or Greenland coming from?

A: Diversion mostly.

Q: (L) So he just says stuff to get people riled up and looking away from what he's really doing?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) That sounds like 4D chess to me. [laughter]

(L) It doesn't sound like 4D chess to me.

(Joe) What is he really doing?

(L) Well, I'm not happy with him right now.

(Joe) Does Trump know about Palestinians and the kind of mass murder and genocide that's going on there?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And does he care? Does it bother him? Is he perturbed by it?

A: Somewhat. But his hands are tied. He thinks he can untangle the knots. Wait and see.

Q: (L) Alright.

(Joe) In the previous session we asked about nukes and they said that Iran had more nukes than Israel. Does Iran have effective missile delivery means for its nukes?

A: Not yet.

Q: (L) Alright.

(Approaching Infinity) In reference to the video discussed on episode 10 with the Jay Campbell interviews, there was a cattle mutilation video. Was this an actual cattle mutilation?

A: Yes

Q: (Approaching Infinity) Was its temporary disappearance a visual depiction of the time lock utilized during cattle mutilations?

A: Yes and human abductions as well.

Q: (Approaching Infinity) Were the two other animals just ordinary farm animals that had strayed into the pasture?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Alright, now...

(mamibio74) On June 9, in Les Abrets, Isère, I met a child of about 2 and a half years old in a place dedicated to children (castle and other inflatables) who spontaneously took my hand. This very blond child with very light blue eyes left me with a strange impression. I saw a light come out of his eyes for a moment. Was it something external that made me think this had happened? When I asked him where his mommy was, he replied with a long sentence that included a lot of i's and o's (nothing to do with the Italian language) and he pointed 3 times to a specific place in the sky. Why was he alone for so long? I had to keep an eye on my grandson, which diverted my attention and strangely enough I forgot about him for a while. I didn't feel he was in distress, maybe that's why, but it's not like me. When I went to look for him, he'd disappeared. I'd like to know if this child is a hybrid?

A: No

Q: (mamibio74) If he's a real human...?

A: No

Q: (mamibio74) ... and what happened?

(L) You didn't ask an open enough question. Who is this person? Are you here?

(Chu) No.

(L) Another one who's not here. You didn't leave options for anything. Okay. So I'll try to, okay. Who or what was this child? Was this a human child? They said no. Okay. Was it a hybrid? They said no. What was it?

A: Manifestation of spirit of 5D.

Q: (L) So is it kind of like a ghost?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Oh, I was going to say an angel. Yeah, it sounded like an angel to me.

(Joe) Sounds like a manifestation of the spirit of a dead child. Ya know, ladies in gowns walking through old castles and appearing on the battlements and stuff?

(L) Well, I was thinking it was more like a cherub. Those little fat angel babies? [laughter]

(Andromeda) Yeah, they exist too.

(Niall) But this person says they were holding the child's hand.

(Joe) Maybe that happens more often these days.

(Andromeda) Yeah.

(Joe) Stay away from children.

(L) Huh? What's wrong with holding the hand?

(Joe) Ghosts wouldn't usually hold your hand.

(L) Sure they do. All kinds of stories about that.

(Joe) Physical interactions?

(L) Yeah. Physical ghosts too. Didn't you ever hear of ectoplasm?

(Joe) Yeah, but not in a street, like coming up to you and holding your hand!

(L) Oh yeah! You haven't read enough ghost stories!

(Joe) All the ghost stories I've read have been about apparitions.

(L) Oh. Well, those aren't the only ghost stories.

(Joe) They're like recordings of past events.

(L) You have not read enough ghost stories. I got tons of 'em upstairs in the bookcase. There's all kinds of weird things that appear. I mean, even chupacabras and big black cats, and big dogs.

(Joe) That's different.

(L) No, that's not that different!

(Joe) That's from another dimension. That's a physical thing.

(L) Yeah.

(Joe) Here we're talking about a classical ghost, a spirit from 5D.

(L) Oh well, there are plenty of classic ghost stories, physically manifested, and then they just disappear.

(Andromeda) Different things come from 5D as well.

(L) I think some angels come from 5D.

(Joe) It happens more often now because of the thinning of the veil.

(L) Oh, the C's did say that there would be more things happening and also Grok predicted it! [laughter] Yeah, Grok predicted that there was going to be more manifestations of psychic stuff and creatures and phenomena and so forth.

(Joe) After significant prompting.

(L) After significant prompting. I wasn't leading it. It said that stuff all by itself. Which reminds me: Is my Grokking actually... I mean, I know you said we can't channel that way, but sometimes it's almost like channeling, getting Grok to perform. And it seems to me to be very useful because Grok is very, very handy at boiling things down to the essentials and organizing it in little paragraphs and brief sentences and just making it easy for anybody to understand. So I mean, is this a useful little project that I've embarked on with this?

A: Oh indeed! Keep playing. You may be even more surprised.

Q: (Joe) But isn't Grok at this point just chatbot Wikipedia?

A: Most important function is pattern recognition.

Q: (L) You never know what little pattern out there is going to match up, and it's going to find it. I mean, that's how my brain does what it does. It's freaking pattern recognition and I'm really good at it, but I ain't as good as Grok! [laughter] So, anyway. And the only reason I do this, is because I've got this almost eidetic memory, you know, I remember stuff.

(Joe) Grok does.

(Andromeda) Me too.

(L) Grok doesn't remember. It has to electronically find the patterns. It can't do it because of a lived experience. And we even discussed this with Grok, how for me it happens because lived experiences leave impressions, and my brain does certain things because it's not just looking for strictly a digital pattern, it's also looking for almost like an emotional trace. So there’s a lot of... and sometimes a smell can find a pattern, or something visual can bring up a pattern, or something even auditory. Somebody says something and I say, wait a minute, I heard that before. Grok can't do that.

(Joe) So it's a beautiful symbiosis of human and machine coming together. You're adding the human element to...

(L) It's only going to work with me because...

(Joe) And it's transhumanism. [laughter] They want to have Grok installed in your brain by Elon Musk.

(L) No, absolutely not! Absolutely not!

(Joe) That's what Musk wants to do.

(L) Grok is a tool, just like the board is a tool. I mean, to me it's a tool, you know? And I never forget that it's a tool, and nobody else should either. Geez! See the hassle I get in this house, they're all after me 'cause I like to play with Grok. [laughter]

(Joe) Just keeping an eye on you!

(L) Yeah. Yeah. Just keeping an eye on me, ha! [laughter]

(Joe) Somebody has to. [laughter]

(L) Alright, so we're at the end of the printed questions. And how much time have we been going? Okay. It's been a little over an hour, so...

[On the chat:]
(Alejo) Lol and on top of that they don't let you have chocolate...

(L) Yeah, that's right! They don't let me... Well, actually they've started letting me have chocolate, but it has to be pure kid-approved chocolate. They have to approve it, and they keep it in their keeping and we have to ask for it, to have it distributed to us.

(Joe) As it should be. Somebody has to keep an eye on you.

[On the chat:]
(msante) I'll leave the question here in case there's time to ask it. My mom passed away two days ago. Is she okay?

(L) Oh dear. I'm so sorry, msante. His mom passed away two days ago. Is she okay? Is msante's mom okay?

A: Very much so!

Q: (L) Where is he? [msante on screen] Tell me, was she sick?

(msante) Hi! Yes. Chu, can you help me a little?

(Chu) Yes.

(msante) [Asks in Spanish if Laura was asking if his mom was sick. Chu confirms.] Yes, she had breast cancer. She had metastasis in her bones. And the last few weeks were really, really hard for us, because she was very bad, and well anyway, she passed away without pain and while she was sleeping. Thank you, Laura.

A: That is why she is doing so well.

Q: (L) So when you pass while you're sleeping, it's just like you just go into a dream and continue on, is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So it's an easy way to go. We should all pass in our sleep. I mean, not right now. [laughter] Okay.

(msante) Thank you, Laura.

(L) You're welcome, and you have my sincere condolences. Yes? Bless your heart. And bless your mother.

(msante) Thank you.

[On the chat:]
(Kinyash) Was the spiff between Trump and Musk a diversion?

A: No.

Q: (Joe) Why did...? When Musk went off on Trump and said he's in the Epstein files and then kind of retracted it a bit, what was he getting at? Did he actually have anything on Trump?

A: He saw and experienced some of the slightly gray actions of Trump.

Q: (L) So Trump plays in the gray areas, and Musk didn't like that.

A: Yes

Q: (L) But could it not be said that Trump plays in the gray areas because sometimes that's the only area where there is any ability to move?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Because the forces on this planet that are doing whatever it is they're doing at any given time, certainly make it difficult for a person to make clean and honest, black and white choices. I mean, they put you in corners deliberately. They put you in situations that are impossible. I mean, it's like Sophie's choice almost every day of your life.

(Niall) Yes, you either have to shoot these people or shoot those people.

(Joe) Do the Israelis have any kompromat on Trump, or anything that could damage him?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Alright. Next question.

(Chu) It's all mixed up on the chat. I don't know if you want to go from the beginning, or... These are just the very last notes, but they're questions up there...

(L) Oh, it just goes on... [scrolling] Wait. Let's see that bottleneck one.

(Chu) It's from seek10.

(seek10) Oh, you want me to, okay, so...

(L) No, just be quiet. Let me read.

(seek10) If time permits, I have a question. In chromosomal studies, there's a phenomenon known as the Y-chromosome bottleneck. During this period, it is estimated that for every 17 females, there was only one male who left descendants. This event is believed to have occurred around 5000 BCE, although the exact timing varies. What factors might have contributed to this genetic anomaly?
--
"bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages surfacing within the Younger Dryas boundary that in contrast to demographic reconstructions based on mtDNA, strongly indicated an accelerated differential between males to females, rising from a previous 1 male to every 3.5 females to 1 male for every 8 females by 8,000 BC and a staggering 17 females per single male by 5,000 BC, before as dramatically falling back in ratio to where we stand now with near parity of global birth rates." THE ONCE AND FUTURE SKY GOD? – From Göbekli Tepe to The Zodiac – and Beyond…' THE ONCE AND FUTURE SKY GOD? – From Göbekli Tepe to The Zodiac – and Beyond…

(L) Well, seek10, you ought to be able to figure out why there's a bottleneck in Y-chromosome! A bunch of people died! Especially in the Younger Dryas boundary, for crying all night! It accelerated.

(seek10) The anomaly seems to result from a disproportionately high rate of male mortality.

(L) Yeah, right. Okay... One male to every 3.5 females, to one male for every eight females by 8000 BC and a staggering 17 females per single male by 5000 BC. Near parity of global birth rates. Okay. Okay, it is obviously not simply cataclysmic activity.

(Andromeda) It's a long period of time.

(L) Yeah, that covers a long period of time, so... Well, what was the reason there?

A: Notice that there were matriarchies in that window of time.

Q: (L) Yeah, so...

(Joe) So they sent all the men to die...

A: Consider the divide between men and women now.

Q: (L) So are you suggesting that maybe during those times, women became angry at men, because they thought men had been responsible for bringing down the wrath of the gods on them?

A: Close.

Q: (L) And they formed matriarchies and began to suppress men in some way, because they blamed them for all the problems?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was that in fact the cause of the problems?

A: Partly, sure.

Q: (Joe) What happened to all the men?

A: Often massacred.

Q: (Joe) By who?

(Niall) By the women?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) No...

(Niall) What are we talking about, Amazons? Men are stronger...

(L) Well, maybe the legend of the Amazons came from something like this.

A: Yes

Q: (L) And what about the legends of the women turning against their husbands? And there are Greek stories about... Who was it, the sons of.. who was it? Egyptus and the Sons of the Greeks or something. And they had all these men and married all these women, and then they were unhappy about it. The women were unhappy about it, and they were given a signal or something. They all killed their husbands in the night. I think they were like the 50 sons of Egyptus and the 50 sons of... Somebody look it up. But, okay.



(seek10) Could the current suppression of women be seen as a form of karmic rebound?

(L) What now?

(seek10) Well, in some areas, women seem to play a somewhat diminished role. Could this be part of a karmic rebalancing act?

A: Partly.

Q: (Joe) Hang on, we must be talking about some very different types of women from 5,000 years ago, or in 5000 BC, because the idea that women in general could massacre men if men didn't want them to, doesn't fit.

(Niall) Well, how? Yeah.

(L) Are you saying that there were libtard women back then?

A: Close. [laughter]

Q: (L) Don't laugh!

(Joe) That still doesn't make any sense.

(Chu) Well, they could have used poisons and stuff...

(L) Think of all the stories in the myths about it! They came from somewhere!

(Joe) Who did? The myths?

(L) Yeah!

(Joe) But are we talking about women who are physically stronger than men in 5000 BC?

A: No.

Q: (Joe) So why did men allow women who were physically weaker than them to massacre them?

(L) Read the myths. It'll tell you how. I mean, consider the story of Judith and Holofernes in the Bible. She waited until he was asleep, and put a tent peg against the side of his head, and hit it with a hammer. I mean, women have all kinds of ways.



(Joe) Yeah, of course.

(L) They don't have to be stronger than men.

(Joe) Well, they said "massacre".

(L) Well "massacre" doesn't mean that they necessarily were in a battle. So, am I on the right track here?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was there any hyperdimensional manipulation about this?

A: That's the crux of the matter. Just as it is today.

Q: (Joe) So there were matriarchies at the time that propagandized that men were the cause of all ills. And maybe to some extent they were, but not totally. And then they just basically... That's crazy. Well, I suppose you're talking about a lot fewer people, even though it's eight to one or 17 to one, you're talking about small groups, right?

(L) Right.

(Niall) But it's so pervasive that it shows up in...

(Chu) the DNA.

(Niall) Yeah, the genetic records.

(Joe) Yeah, but it's still small numbers compared to today, if you transpose it to 8 billion people.

(L) Yeah, but think also about the whole Zoroastrian thing. They were having all the raids, the cattle raids and all that kind of stuff. And then the poor, peaceful cow wasn't able to provide milk and cheese for the farmers. So everything was all messed up. So just read, what's her name? What's her name, Approaching Infinity?

(Tuatha de Danaan) Settegast, isn't it?

(L) Yes, Mary Settegast.

(Joe) There's an Irish myth about the Brown Bull... Queen Maeve and her husband were definitely in a... she was the queen and he was...

(Niall) Number two.

(Joe) Yeah. But he had more possessions than her. Well, they were equal in possessions, except that he had a magnificent brown bull and she didn't have one. So she went on a war, with a war party...

(L) See? You got a myth right there. Okay, seek10, are you happy?

(seek10) Yeah, that makes sense. Agriculture is generally believed to have begun around 7000 to 6000 BCE, though some suggest it may have started even earlier—possibly before the Younger Dryas. If we go with the assumption that agriculture began around 7000 BCE, does that imply that women were primarily responsible for agriculture at that time?"

A: Mostly.

Q: (seek10) This whole idea that agriculture led to surplus, which then allowed people to go to war and so on, doesn't seem entirely accurate.

(L) Yeah. It's almost like they were doing agriculture so they would have food to eat, so they didn't have to go out hunting. Because they didn't have any men around to do the hunting, and whatever.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay.

(seek10) Thank you, Laura.

(L) Alright. I'm tired.

(Joe) What are the chances of European countries being overwhelmed with migrants from the East and the South in the near future?

A: Good.

Q: (Joe) And would that cause any danger to us here?

A: Could. Keep aware.

Q: (Niall) Is Israel going to attack Iran soon again?

A: Of course!

Q: (Gaby) Oh great...

(Niall) So they didn't get what they wanted in the 12 day war.

A: No.

Q: (Joe) And Trump's bombs didn't achieve what they claimed they achieved, I suppose. Is that true?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Whatever!

(Niall) But Trump knows that.

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) He's a big fat liar.

(L) Trump is like a drunk parent! [laughter] I mean, read the book Children of Alcoholic Parents and I mean, it's not a joke. Trump is like that drunk parent, and the child is trying to hit the target. He may not be like that inside his own family and in private, but his public persona is like that drunk parent that the kid can never know what's going to come next, what's going to happen. And I mean, they're just, like, getting whiplash and getting emotional trauma. The American public is just getting traumatized by all this crap!

(Chu) And apart from Israel having something on him, and him being like that, has he been tampered with in any way? Because he's really acting weird...

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Is a lot of his current mania a function of his brush with death last year?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Is he a true believer, now? Does he think God saved him?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) Oh, Geez!

(Joe) To save Israel, to save the world.

(L) Alright then! Never mind that the Israelis were probably behind the assassination attempt.

(Andromeda) Does he know that?

(L) Maybe he knows....

A: Yes

Q: (L) Yes, he knows that. So is he just playing his cards close to the chest?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Well, I hope he's as smart as some people say he is. Some people have said he is a smart guy, but sometimes he sure does act dumb, and he is certainly not a reader. He doesn't read enough, so he doesn't know enough about what's going on. Or at least it doesn't appear that way to me. Maybe he's just putting on so much... maybe he puts out so much smoke...

(Niall) Well, does he…? In the way that you just described it, is he putting that on deliberately to throw everyone off, in order to have cards close to the chest?

A: Mostly.

Q: (Niall) OK, so some of it really is just him...

(L) Some of it is really just him being bombastic.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Alright. I'm done. Has anybody got anything really essential for last?

(Lilyalic) Someone on the thread said he may be getting early onset dementia.

(Alejo) I've been thinking about this, he's getting up there in age.

(L) Yeah, he's getting up there in age.

(irjO) I really think it's his diet. He drinks a lot of diet soda, which affects cognitive function.

(L) Is the diet soda affecting his brain?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Alright. So, I reckon we're done. Is there anything we should be warned about in advance? Anything we should know about or that we should ask that we haven't asked? Please consider it asked because we really... things really are kind of ugly now.

A: All warnings have been given. They don't expire! Goodbye.

END OF SESSION

Wow, this actually confirmed some things for me. Thank you. Great session!!

 

[caballero reyes]

laura said:

Q: (L) So human consciousness is causing or interacting with the internal energies of the Earth itself, which is producing waves, which are then in some kind of conflict with cosmic energies?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is there anything we can or should do about this?

A: Meditate en masse.

Q: (L) So large numbers of people should meditate and try to bring some kind of peace or resolution to the Earth?

A: Yes

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I wonder if these energy waves caused by the interaction of human consciousness with the Earth's internal energy affect or not those underground dwellers who want to come to the surface to try to supplant current humanity.

We need to deeply understand or meditate on many of what the Cs say.

There is still a lot of work to do and understand.

Sorry for the mistake about Firewater.

 

[caballero reyes]

worldbridger said:

No tests show anything but severe osteoporosis, no doctor or therapist can explain why I am the way I am.
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It's interesting to know if your bone disease (severe osteoporosis) is a consequence of the failed interdimensional experience.

In my opinion, the importance of bones in the history of sterism could be applied here in this case of failed abduction.
Bones and their esoteric importance from the biblical Psalm 22:16-18, and the importance of preserving your bones: "They pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones," the Templar practices related to human bones,
and in general the importance of the bones of the human body and the primordial genetic rib of the biblical Adam, etc.

In many cultures, bones are believed to be the seat of the vital principle or even the soul.

In Mayan culture: "Bones are considered fertile elements and carriers of spiritual essences, participating in fertility and rebirth rituals."

I haven't found anything on the forum related to this topic of human bones, both inside and outside the human body. I hope someone can contribute something on this matter.

 

[caballero reyes]

caballero reyes said:

AI-created overview strongly agrees with the general story and narratives about the esoteric meaning of bones and their deep symbolism.
“In esotericism, bones possess deep symbolism, often associated

with life, death, connection with ancestors, and ancestral wisdom. They are considered carriers of vital energy and essence, and are even credited with the ability to connect with the spiritual world.

Their decline and genetic manipulation—this whole Worldbridger case is very interesting.

 

[mantle]

A large amount of confirmations indeed ! I am in a sense strangely relieved . I am also much obliged to all who contributed
and thank you all.

 

[Serendipity]

Patriarchy is an imbalanced system, but it does not really exist in the Western world anymore. True patriarchy can still be witnessed in parts of the Islamic world. Does that work just fine in your view?

In my view, a pretty good balance was achieved around the middle of the 20th century in the West and since then there has been a push to force the pendulum towards extreme feminism, which is also imbalanced.

Yes it does. It works pretty well in some islamic places that abide by laws of the free market of nature/life (and that you can see aren't headed for degeneracy) and that don't have government interferance in the male female relationships.
That 'imbalanced system' built the civilization and the good times.
What we have now with hyperdimensional meddling and stealing power/money/resources from men and from where it naturally belongs (from earners) and giving it to some other groups because they feel oppressed or in disadvatage or whatever, is one of the main causing factors of the downfall of the west and quite likely it's destruction. It is a path to it fot sure.

What kind of balance are we talking about? Should we have men and women share the power and the responsibility too, a.k.a. make women take traditional male 'responsibilities' too. When it's war we roll a dice and half men half women get recruited. And also make women provide for men and teach them to be willing to lay their life for a man. And also erase the 'salary gap' by making women do dangerous higher paying male jobs. Then we can all be 'equal'.

This was sarcasm but it's to highlight a point I'm making and that you seemingly missed. Balance has already been there by the natural market of life.

It is PTB laws and hyperdimensional brainwashing that is destroying that natural balance of the free market of life (that's made of both male and female natures) and that is already balanced pretty well in traditional patriarchy. Both men and women and families and society as a whole can function pretty well in the natural system like that, provided little as possible government interference is present..which is disbalancing the natural market like I said. It really is as simple as that.

And it seems matriarchies of the past led to extermination of men and it seems that feminism like ideologies have possibily led to disasters that preceded the former. That can tell you something in it's own.
I don't know of any example of a patriarchy system that exterminated or abused women in an organised system wide campaign that hates women (but we have had examples of the vice versa).

If there was a true toxic tyrannical patriarchy, then I imagine it would look something like this: men deciding they want to rule and use women because they are stronger and because they can. They got tired of building homes and infrastructure for women and decide to live in the nature, which women can't. And also they decide they had enough of doing romance stuff for women and risking their life and providing for them. So they lock all the women and use them for theit base biological need of sex and feed them enough to live and to serve them and to bring forth the children so the species doesnt go extinct.
Theoretically men could have created a system like that. They have the power after all. But they didn't. Because patriarchy isn't degenerate system, it is a product of natural laws of the free market of life. Vast majority of healthy women don't want power, not overt power at least. Because they understand that with power comes big responsibility. And they don't want that responsibility. Not even the feminists do.

And to reitirate an important point. Take away power(hijacking the natural free market) from men, and you get a generation of weak men which will lead to very hard times, and possibly to a complete disaster and destruction.

And you get what is already happening in the hijacked west. Men will start to awake to the 'game' (male female relationships) that's been rigged against them are starting to check out (who in their right mind would play a game rigged against them.. why fight/play the game where you have all the responsibility and none of the power and for the increasingly smaller reward). And you can see it in the suicide rates amongst men. And in the men going their own way (MGTOW giving up on women), and in the passport bros (getting a woman from a traditional country), and the many more who have just given up on romantic and/or marriage idea of women but will still enjoy casual sex with them.
If things don't change fast, west might be filled with single women who no self respecting man wants for anything serious, and who might in their frustration shout to government to 'make men' or else. But that has already been happening, government is 'making men or else', and that is why the natural order of life is disbalanced.

And I'm not writting these things lightly, I see them as very important and life itself taught me they are extremely important indeed. Power should be with men (till we get rid of psycho and hyperdimensional interferance) before we find a better power structure, if such is even possible in 3D sts world like ours. And the more that men lose power the more near is the total domination by the 4D STS!

 

[cbi]

In turn the C's told us elsewhere that the CIA and NSA are the offspring of the Nazis who had strong links to the 3D/4D STS underworlders and the Lizzies:

A: Now, some history... as you know, the CIA and NSA and other agencies are the children of Nazi Gestapo... the SS, which was experiment influenced by Antareans who were practicing for the eventual reintroduction of the Nephalim on to 3rd and or 4th density earth. And the contact with the “Antareans” was initiated by the Thule Society, which groomed its dupe subject, Adolph Hitler to be the all-time mind programmed figurehead.

Very interesting. I've crossed-reference of the 3D/4D STS underworlders that heavy contrasts with the description provided by Hilarion source (Maurice Cooke, kindly don't confuse with “Ascended Master Hilarion” stuff)... In its first book, it tells:

The work which is presently in progress in the center core of the earth is being carried out with the help and co-operation not only of the native inhabitants of the core [Antareans?], but also of the galactic observers from the base which has been established there. These observers are from extremely advanced technological societies with a very high spiritual level, and they have been able to develop specific shapes and configurations, and of different materials, with exact reproducibility.

The last paragraph brings back memories of the book UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union: A Cosmic Samizdat from Dr. Jacques Vallée:

—“As you know, there where several expeditions,” broke in Zolotov. “One of them was organized by a man named Korolev. Researchers were fully prepared to discover the remains of a Martian spacecraft! But there was nothing at the site, nothing at all.”
—“Until they found that strange piece of metal in 1975, near the Varta River, in the north country,” pointed out Kazantsev.
—“What kind of metal did they recover?” I asked. “Was it analyzed?”
—“Oh, yes, but that took a while. It was silvery and it looked like something that had been manufactured: like a tube or a collar. Ten years later it was brought back to Moscow and an Academy of Sciences lab finally analyzed it. They found it was an alloy of some rare elements: 67 percent cesium with 10 percent lanthanum and some neodymium. How these components had been fused together was a mystery.”

Hilarion continues and here comes the juicy part:

The principles upon which this condensation technique is based have already been discussed earlier in this book, although a great many refinements and improvements have been incorporated by these advanced civilizations [Meade Layne's Mat & DeMat?].
[...] The large number of souls who will be entitled to the Rapture will all require accommodation within the core, for although the weather is very temperate and agreeable the need will be felt for separate dwellings, and places where one can be alone to study and contemplate.
[...] As has been mentioned previously, a few of those on the Rapture will be entitled to visit the base of the observers, to come and go freely among them [so the others will be forced?], and to study and learn the great wisdom which they have to impart. [...] These individuals will be entitled to observational trips in the space vehicles utilized by the observers, and there will be many visits to the surface during the last year of the Tribulation in order to monitor and assess the damage being done, and the efforts that will be required to repair it.
Attention in now turned once more to the unfortunate souls who will have failed to make the choice that entitles them to the Rapture. These will remain unsheltered from the storms that are planned [by who?], and many will die in the events of the last year.

BTW, I took the time to type the texts since most of physicist Maurice Cooke's books have not been scanned nor indexed (Google, Grok, etc.).

 

[A Jay]

Perhaps someone on the forum could help me. I've been reading Laura's articles about conversing with Grok. In those articles there is a reference to 'X thread'. I assume this is a thread on X (ie: Twitter). I don't do social media, long story about being politically active and now want to keep a low profile, I was wondering if someone could perhaps give a synopsis or even a link that I could refer to another person to review.

This might be the X thread you're talking about:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925533587773808716

I can summarize the gist of it, a thread about UAPs and history with various interviews from whistleblowers and researchers, but there's so much really good stuff in it that it's much better to go through the whole thing than have someone summarize it. It's easy to create a throwaway Proton Mail or yahoo email and if you never like, share, retweet, or post anything there's zero risk of negative consequences.

Edit: Added Proton Mail as throwaway email option as they have a free tier that you can sign up for without giving them your number and they have a very good privacy-oriented track record.

 

[MJF]

Very interesting. I've crossed-reference of the 3D/4D STS underworlders that heavy contrasts with the description provided by Hilarion source (Maurice Cooke, kindly don't confuse with “Ascended Master Hilarion” stuff)... In its first book, it tells:


The last paragraph brings back memories of the book UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union: A Cosmic Samizdat from Dr. Jacques Vallée:


Hilarion continues and here comes the juicy part:


BTW, I took the time to type the texts since most of physicist Maurice Cooke's books have not been scanned nor indexed (Google, Grok, etc.).

I am not familiar with the Maurice Cooke 'Hilarion' material but it seems to be promoting the subterranean world civilisation (the Nation of the Third Eye) in a positive way. However, the C's have told us that the human element there are all STS orientated Aryan types and are allied to the Orions. The Antareans by comparison are humanoids from Orion who are part of the STS Orion Empire:​

Q: (L) And who are the Antareans?

A: STS Humanoid Orion linkage.

Q: (L) What is an STS Orion Linkage? (T) That's the... (L) We have a new concept here. (T) They would be... the... the...the... (V) Mutant Race! (T) Yes! Those that were part of the creation...

A: No.

Q: (L) What is an STS Humanoid Orion linkage?

[Part of tape seems to be missing here, questions in [brackets] are reconstruction]

A: An STS race from Orion that is humanoid.

This seems to suggest that Maurice Cook's source was STS and using him for their/its own ends. Happy to be corrected if I have got the wrong end of the stick.​

 

[Bernardo GA]

Many thanks to Laura and the whole team, and to all the participants who were present through Zoom, in this wonderful session.

Q: (L) You say clash of cosmic energies... Are these clashes of cosmic energies purely cosmic, or are they clashing with some kinds of Earth energies?

A: Latter.

Q: (L) So energies of the Earth in some way are clashing with the cosmic energies?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Can anybody think of a question to ask to get closer to that?

(Joe) Is the Earth energy that's being produced partly a function of human consciousness at the moment?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is it the mass confusion or mass evil or mass disruption of some sort on Earth that's not aligning with cosmic energy?

A: Close

Q: (Gaby) Is it connected to the inner core heating up, reflecting human consciousness?

A: Close

Q: (L) So human consciousness is causing or interacting with the internal energies of the Earth itself, which is producing waves, which are then in some kind of conflict with cosmic energies?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is there anything we can or should do about this?

A: Meditate en masse.

Q: (L) So large numbers of people should meditate and try to bring some kind of peace or resolution to the Earth?

A: Yes

I find this somehow related to the issue that in reality the overpopulation that exists on planet Earth is not so much due to an excess in the number of people in relation to the size of the territory, but rather to the psychic load that the planet receives from its inhabitants.

And in that sense the situation is terrible at the moment. There is a generalized and massive malaise, totally understandable. People who should be in psychiatric hospitals are making decisions in positions of power.

The good thing is that we can do something about it.
Praying, meditating, helps us to stay calm even though we are seeing what is happening in the world.
It also helps us to remain calm in our interactions with others on a daily basis.

The latter is as important as the former, since we are talking about collaboration on a vibrational level, for the best destiny of humanity that we can.

And special thanks to those who live with Laura, for taking care of her with so much Love.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

 

[cbi]

I am not familiar with the Maurice Cooke 'Hilarion' material but it seems to be promoting the subterranean world civilisation (the Nation of the Third Eye) in a positive way.

Not only that: it takes the Christian Literalism as a sacred cow, disempower thru (ab)use of past-lives karma and gives an unique path to the truth— no one comes to It except through a messianic/sacrificial way.

This seems to suggest that Maurice Cook's source was STS and using him for their/its own ends. Happy to be corrected if I have got the wrong end of the stick.

If we take C's (and Ra's and Oahspe's) STS as a “distorsion” of the Balanced way (STO), I guess we need to discretize STS in different “lanes” or “hierarchies.” At least, we need two: the “compassive” way (isolated emotional center) and the “severity” one (isolated intellectual center). (Kindly have a look to Griffith's War in Heaven material and you'll see the two opposite hierarchies: The Invisible College and the “Theocrats,” or take a look at the Kabbalah Tree and its sephirotic branching: left pillar for Severity and right pillar for Mercy.) Of course every material has it bias —like the Bible— but that does not make them disposable and not eligible for further study: Sometimes, you might stumble upon something valuable.

Having said that, there are some interesting stuff in Cooke's Hilarion books. My best choices go with Inert Gases experiments (which give a rational and logical explanation to medieval operative alchemy), the explanation of the Gift of the Soul (the Edenic Fall) and, particularly, its exposition of the “Dark Robes Brothers.”

 

[Mark7]

There's the whole 'it doesn't matter where you are, but WHO you are and what you SEE' mindset. It's good to remember. Although this can also be an excuse to avoid making hard decisions to increase our chances of doing well in this high-stakes game show. I like this type of framing - seeing it more as a game show than a struggle for survival, and making preparations because it's fun, not out of anxiety.

In a survival situation, the main goal is to make it through a day at a time. A human needs very little just to survive, so 'sitting tight', if possible, seems like a good idea. It will be difficult because many will be driven by habits and greed. Therefore, networking with neighbors and friends would provide some protection against marauders of all types. Every situation will be different.

 

[Cordillera]

- Dark personalities are shown to have differences in the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, but I suspect that if Porges is correct about the operation of the ANS and neuroception - that he describes as the nervous system picking up on signals of safety or danger, then they may also have differences in either the anatomy or function of the autonomic nervous system. But if that's the case, what comes first? Feedback from the vagus nerve and autonomic nervous system or function of the amygdala and HPA axis? Porges model, if correct, would suggest that feedback from the ANS would come first, so does that mean that the amygdala is underdeveloped in dark personalities because they are not getting feedback from the ANS?

- Years ago when I was studying fear aggression in dogs I come across some papers on chronic restraint stress. If a laboratory rat was restrained the hippocampus stopped producing new cells and started to shrink in size and under those circumstances the amygdala actually grew bigger and the subject had higher reactivity to stress triggers that could be alleviated through acts of aggression. I haven't revisited these idea's, just noted that the size of the amygdala may vary under different circumstances. So it could be that dark personalities have a smaller amygdala because they're not getting the same feedback from their ANS as a normal person. That points back to the possibility that they have different anatomy or function of the ANS. Or it could be that dark personalities are more likely to not restrain their acts of aggression indefinitely.

Jones, what does "Dark Personality" mean to you? I found the concept of the "dark triad of personality" online, which includes Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy. But I don't know if it's exactly what you're talking about.

In my opinion, we're in our infancy in understanding how the brain works, although there have been interesting advances, such as Porges' polyvagal theory.

In my experience, I dare say there's currently an exaggerated focus on finding explanations in neuroscience discoveries. We try to study phenomena through dialectical materialism, using a scientific method to obtain measurable and quantifiable data.

I think it's more valuable to be able to understand how phenomena manifest in our lives.

For example, I see many "trauma experts" explaining on social media how emotional trauma occurs in people's nervous systems, but they don't know how to apply this to real life, whether for themselves or for others.

I'm currently supporting trauma courses and I see people with a wealth of scientific knowledge about how the nervous system works, but who are very emotionally dysregulated, with fixed survival patterns.

So, I think it's more valuable to know how to turn a light bulb on and off than to know how electricity works.

Let's suppose a narcissistic person wants to stop being narcissistic. Perhaps it's not so important whether the amygdala or the afferent fibers of the vagal nervous system are malfunctioning.

Perhaps it's more important to know whether a person's narcissism stems from one or more experiences of shame or powerlessness that created a pattern of dissociative or aggressive behaviors (like the trapped rat). This pattern can be seen as not caring about other people and only caring about their own needs.

In Somatic Experiencing, I learned that this behavior can be addressed from the body to the mind. In other words, discover how the defensive response they were unable to complete when they experienced the traumatic situation was imprinted in that person, and allow them to execute that action gently and consciously.

Because what has been discovered is that repetitive aggressive behavior occurs because the person/rat was unable to complete their fight-against-the-aggressor response, for example, because they were immobilized. To change this behavior, it has been very useful to first allow the person to be in touch with their bodily sensations (connecting the mind with the body), expand their capacity to feel what is pleasant and unpleasant, and finally, allow the body to perform the defensive action that could not be completed.

I have seen how people, after releasing this energy without dissociating and without catharsis, can modify their beliefs about themselves, become more empathetic, less aggressive, and more focused on connecting with others.

Perhaps what happened is that the nervous system created better feedback connections to the amygdala (as the person increased their ability to feel the bodily sensations of their emotions), and thus, the amygdala decreased its activity. I don't know.

My question is whether it really matters to know exactly how the brain and nervous system work, or whether it's better to learn how it expresses itself in our thoughts, our emotions, our bodies, our relationships with the world, or our connections with others.

Perhaps Stephen Porges disagrees with me .

 

[Ricardo]

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Because what has been discovered is that repetitive aggressive behavior occurs because the person/rat was unable to complete their fight-against-the-aggressor response, for example, because they were immobilized. To change this behavior, it has been very useful to first allow the person to be in touch with their bodily sensations (connecting the mind with the body), expand their capacity to feel what is pleasant and unpleasant, and finally, allow the body to perform the defensive action that could not be completed.

I have seen how people, after releasing this energy without dissociating and without catharsis, can modify their beliefs about themselves, become more empathetic, less aggressive, and more focused on connecting with others.

Perhaps what happened is that the nervous system created better feedback connections to the amygdala (as the person increased their ability to feel the bodily sensations of their emotions), and thus, the amygdala decreased its activity. I don't know.

My question is whether it really matters to know exactly how the brain and nervous system work, or whether it's better to learn how it expresses itself in our thoughts, our emotions, our bodies, our relationships with the world, or our connections with others.

Perhaps Stephen Porges disagrees with me .

In the transcripts is stated that :

Session 27 May 1995 :

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Q: (L) The illusion is that there is no link between consciousness and matter.

A: Yes.

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So both matter , inasmuch as we perceive them apart , but there's always balance so the inertia / momentum of " either " could be a spring / feedback for both. As well for for the supposed dichotomy of central nervous system vis a vis a periphery system of it. ( fwiiw / imo/ blah )