(seek10) If time permits, I have a question. In chromosomal studies, there's a phenomenon known as the Y-chromosome bottleneck. During this period, it is estimated that for every 17 females, there was only one male who left descendants. This event is believed to have occurred around 5000 BCE, although the exact timing varies. What factors might have contributed to this genetic anomaly?
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"bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages surfacing within the Younger Dryas boundary that in contrast to demographic reconstructions based on mtDNA, strongly indicated an accelerated differential between males to females, rising from a previous 1 male to every 3.5 females to 1 male for every 8 females by 8,000 BC and a staggering 17 females per single male by 5,000 BC, before as dramatically falling back in ratio to where we stand now with near parity of global birth rates."
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(L) Well, seek10, you ought to be able to figure out why there's a bottleneck in Y-chromosome! A bunch of people died! Especially in the Younger Dryas boundary, for crying all night! It accelerated.
(seek10) The anomaly seems to result from a disproportionately high rate of male mortality.
(L) Yeah, right. Okay... One male to every 3.5 females, to one male for every eight females by 8000 BC and a staggering 17 females per single male by 5000 BC. Near parity of global birth rates. Okay. Okay, it is obviously not simply cataclysmic activity.
(Andromeda) It's a long period of time.
(L) Yeah, that covers a long period of time, so... Well, what was the reason there?
A: Notice that there were matriarchies in that window of time.
Q: (L) Yeah, so...
(Joe) So they sent all the men to die...
A: Consider the divide between men and women now.
Q: (L) So are you suggesting that maybe during those times, women became angry at men, because they thought men had been responsible for bringing down the wrath of the gods on them?
A: Close.
Q: (L) And they formed matriarchies and began to suppress men in some way, because they blamed them for all the problems?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Was that in fact the cause of the problems?
A: Partly, sure.
Q: (Joe) What happened to all the men?
A: Often massacred.
Q: (Joe) By who?
(Niall) By the women?
A: Yes
Q: (Joe) No...
(Niall) What are we talking about, Amazons? Men are stronger...
(L) Well, maybe the legend of the Amazons came from something like this.
A: Yes
Q: (L) And what about the legends of the women turning against their husbands? And there are Greek stories about... Who was it, the sons of.. who was it? Egyptus and the Sons of the Greeks or something. And they had all these men and married all these women, and then they were unhappy about it. The women were unhappy about it, and they were given a signal or something. They all killed their husbands in the night. I think they were like the 50 sons of Egyptus and the 50 sons of... Somebody look it up. But, okay.
(seek10) Could the current suppression of women be seen as a form of karmic rebound?
(L) What now?
(seek10) Well, in some areas, women seem to play a somewhat diminished role. Could this be part of a karmic rebalancing act?
A: Partly.
Q: (Joe) Hang on, we must be talking about some very different types of women from 5,000 years ago, or in 5000 BC, because the idea that women in general could massacre men if men didn't want them to, doesn't fit.
(Niall) Well, how? Yeah.
(L) Are you saying that there were libtard women back then?
A: Close. [laughter]
Q: (L) Don't laugh!
(Joe) That still doesn't make any sense.
(Chu) Well, they could have used poisons and stuff...
(L) Think of all the stories in the myths about it! They came from somewhere!
(Joe) Who did? The myths?
(L) Yeah!
(Joe) But are we talking about women who are physically stronger than men in 5000 BC?
A: No.
Q: (Joe) So why did men allow women who were physically weaker than them to massacre them?
(L) Read the myths. It'll tell you how. I mean, consider the story of Judith and Holofernes in the Bible. She waited until he was asleep, and put a tent peg against the side of his head, and hit it with a hammer. I mean, women have all kinds of ways.
(Joe) Yeah, of course.
(L) They don't have to be stronger than men.
(Joe) Well, they said "massacre".
(L) Well "massacre" doesn't mean that they necessarily were in a battle. So, am I on the right track here?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Was there any hyperdimensional manipulation about this?
A: That's the crux of the matter. Just as it is today.
Q: (Joe) So there were matriarchies at the time that propagandized that men were the cause of all ills. And maybe to some extent they were, but not totally. And then they just basically... That's crazy. Well, I suppose you're talking about a lot fewer people, even though it's eight to one or 17 to one, you're talking about small groups, right?
(L) Right.
(Niall) But it's so pervasive that it shows up in...
(Chu) the DNA.
(Niall) Yeah, the genetic records.
(Joe) Yeah, but it's still small numbers compared to today, if you transpose it to 8 billion people.
(L) Yeah, but think also about the whole Zoroastrian thing. They were having all the raids, the cattle raids and all that kind of stuff. And then the poor, peaceful cow wasn't able to provide milk and cheese for the farmers. So everything was all messed up. So just read, what's her name? What's her name, Approaching Infinity?
(Tuatha de Danaan) Settegast, isn't it?
(L) Yes, Mary Settegast.
(Joe) There's an Irish myth about the Brown Bull... Queen Maeve and her husband were definitely in a... she was the queen and he was...
(Niall) Number two.
(Joe) Yeah. But he had more possessions than her. Well, they were equal in possessions, except that he had a magnificent brown bull and she didn't have one. So she went on a war, with a war party...
(L) See? You got a myth right there. Okay, seek10, are you happy?
(seek10) Yeah, that makes sense. Agriculture is generally believed to have begun around 7000 to 6000 BCE, though some suggest it may have started even earlier—possibly before the Younger Dryas. If we go with the assumption that agriculture began around 7000 BCE, does that imply that women were primarily responsible for agriculture at that time?"
A: Mostly.
Q: (seek10) This whole idea that agriculture led to surplus, which then allowed people to go to war and so on, doesn't seem entirely accurate.
(L) Yeah. It's almost like they were doing agriculture so they would have food to eat, so they didn't have to go out hunting. Because they didn't have any men around to do the hunting, and whatever.
A: Yes
Q: (L) Okay.