Session 29 March 2025

[Persej]

I tried to use ChatGPT to solve the alfalfa puzzle. Here is what I got:

Some occultists regard it as a plant that grounds star energy—kind of like “cosmic food for the body-temple.”

The idea of alfalfa grounding star energy isn’t something you’ll find in mainstream herb books—but in esoteric herbalism and plant spirit medicine, alfalfa is occasionally described (especially by intuitive herbalists and energy workers) as a "stellar-grounding" plant. Let me explain this conceptually, symbolically, and energetically:

Alfalfa: Bridge Between Star and Soil

Antenna to Cosmic Frequencies

Alfalfa has extremely deep roots—some over 20 feet deep.

This allows it to draw up ancient mineral memory and subterranean codes locked in the Earth.

It’s metaphorically seen as a "translator": reaching into Earth’s deep body while soaking up sunlight (light codes).

"As above, so below" in plant form.

This rooting and reaching make it perfect for anchoring high-frequency, ethereal or “stellar” energy into the body and biosphere.

I asked it to give me some links about that, but it couldn't. I asked it to tell me how it came up with such an answer, but it kept evading to answer it directly until it finally admitted that it made up the answer. But how did it make up the answer? Is it just a random mixture of things it has read from the internet, or is there something more? Because from what I have read so far on that subject, the answer actually sounds logical. And it is the only thing about alfalfa that would make it special. It has deep roots, so it can absorb minerals very well, and it has fast growth. And both factors are important in the creation of information factor in plants that C's talked about.

A: Now that you have found this out, perhaps you should research the properties of this mineral rich alfalfa and what it does for the body of homo sapiens?!?

Q: (L) Do the properties of alfalfa tend to enhance the non-physical effect, or vice versa?

A: Maybe it enhances that "psychic effects."

 

[daddycat]

I tried to use ChatGPT

it finally admitted that it made up the answer.

At least it's honest about ripping you off.

 

[Persej]

At least it's honest about ripping you off.

Actually, after some more interaction with it on that subject, I think it's lying, or at least not being aware how it comes to the conclusions. I caught it being aware of some things that he didn't reveal to me in that conversation.

It seems that if you ask an AI how it came to some conclusion, it will give you an answer that will sound like a perfectly reasonable chain of thought of an intelligent AI. But the problem is that this is not how AI "think". Sabine Hossenfelder explained that in this video:

AI industry leaders are promising that we will soon have algorithms that can think smarter and faster than humans. But according to a new paper published by researchers from AI firm Anthropic, current AI is incapable of understanding its own “thought processes.” This means it’s not near anything you could call conscious. Let’s take a look.

So, asking it how it comes to some conclusion is pointless. But that doesn't mean that the interaction with it is pointless.

 

[MJF]

Definition of 'to sit tight'
- If you sit tight, you remain in the same place or situation and do not take any action, usually because you are waiting for something to happen.

Definition of 'hang on'
- to keep hold, hold on to something
- wait for a short time.

My idea is that Cs are hinting to summer of the markets that's coming, and the idea that the current world situation with 'trade wars' is just a scare (a spring to bounce the price chart into a 'summer' phase).

summer approaches - golden period (big bull run) approaches
sit tight - remain in the same place don't take action based on the scare narrative (don't sell), and wait for something to happen
may get dire - a narrative is getting dire (when something 'may', it doesn't actually have to, but can just appear as if, but in reality it isn't)
may - a hint to month of May (maybe the narrative changes in May, or something big happens at the world stage in May, that marks the start of 'summer' phase and big growth of the markets/economy/price chart (that I wrote about in the thread I linked below)
hang on - wait for a short time (in May things might get clear) and keep hold (cause the market/economy is going up for a wild ride?)

Post in thread 'Trump's 'Liberation Day': US govt imposes tariffs to 'reset' global trade, 'MAGA', 'defeat' China - Will it work?'

Apr 10, 2025

---- Sorry this should have been posted in the thread "The stock markets are already crashing"

"Show me the charts and I'll tell you the news"

"All economic movements, by their very nature, are motivated by crowd psychology."

- Bernard Baruch

Guys it's not the news that is causing the markets movements, it's the charts (which are led by crowd psychology, by the emotions of the investors).
News are only triggers (at most), and likely not even that, but simply a timed narrative purposely placed to explain the movement of the charts (that was already about to...

• Serendipity

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Like you, I have been watching the reaction of world markets to Trump's imposition of tariffs on other countries post his 'Liberation Day' speech. He has now called a 90 day moratorium to allow time for discussions and trade talks to take place with the principal exception of China, which had the temerity to retaliate in kind. However, several international organisations fear that these tariffs will lead to a worldwide recession and higher inflation just as markets were recovering from the effects of the Covid lockdowns.

I was looking back at some old transcripts and came upon this extract from the session dated 6 February 2016, which may be relevant to the situation here:
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Q: (Joe) Geopolitically, this is ultimately part of their fight against Russia. They figure that to prevent any rapprochement between Russia and Europe, they'll engineer the downfall of Europe. Divide and conquer. Then they can keep Russia out of Western Europe and stop Russia from expanding and taking its rightful place. They're willing to destroy everything to stop that.

A: Remember Plato's tale of Atlantis: The global ambitions of that empire brought its total destruction.

Q: (Joe) In a previous reference to Atlantis, you said that they ended up causing their own destruction because of their greed for energy. Like an energetic hunger, energy weapons, or whatever... But that probably precipitated geological destruction as well. The two are linked.

A: Similarities abound. Money equals energy.

Q: (Joe) You said that previously, as well. Does that suggest that at least initially, a financial crisis first...

(L) The PTB could be having financial motives, but those motives lead to the use and expenditures of energies in ways that are supposed to protect or enhance or promote their financial ambitions but which are ultimately extremely destructive and hard to contain once let loose.

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) I was thinking that overtly, the first blow to the empire this time may come in the form of...

(L) Economic collapse.

A: Yes

Q: (L) And then that can lead to just rampant militarism. That is the usual solution to economic problems. Go to war and steal other people’s stuff. Okay, next?

A: Keep in mind that it all is part of the cleansing process.

If the USA can be viewed as the principal power of the new Atlantis (recalling here that the C's likened the old Atlantis to NATO today), then US hubris manifesting through the imposition of tariffs on everyone (including penguins apparently ) could be the means to bring about Laura's forecast of an economic collapse. As the C's said above "Money equals energy" in our present time frame and Trump envisages that the money raised by his tariffs will help off set the US's ballooning national debt, which I believe is now a staggering USD $30+ trillion and rising. However, history shows that trade wars can spill over into real wars. Could Trump's ambitions to make America great again bring around the destruction of the west through an economic meltdown?

Ironically, I came across the above extract when looking for something else within this session and that something else was the presence of water in outer space. This news has probably already been shared on SOTT but just in case I will post it here since it seems to be yet another hit for the C's (and Galatea too) given recent scientific findings. The relevant extract from the 6 February 2016 session is as follows:​

Q: (Galatea) I have a question that'll sound crazy. Is water similar to space?

A: Yes

Q: (Galatea) I knew it! [laughter]

(Pierre) Similar in what sense?

(L) It's like etheric.

(Galatea) Space is water?

A: Yes

Q: (Galatea) I knew it!

(L) So did the ancients. They called it The Waters Above.

(Galatea) Really?

(Joe) Can we make heavy water by talking to it?

(Arky) No, no, no. With water, this is very strange. I was reading about the experiments. So, first you talk to water, you test the water, and it makes it different. But then you have to be clever. If it is just information, you don't have to talk to water. You use the computer to convert your talk into a number. You print the number on the piece of paper, you put it on the bottle, and water should be smart enough because anyhow it's information! It's not your talk. It's somewhere, right? You put it on the label, and water knows what was your intention. Experiments were even done like that.

(Galatea) Water is the Google search of the universe.

A: Yes

And it looks as though the ancients were correct given the following recent discovery.

Water Clouds Found Drifting in Deep Space

The discovery of water vapour drifting in deep space leads scientists to believe these interstellar water clouds formed from ancient stellar explosions dispersing hydrogen and oxygen across the cosmos. This would suggest that super novae are critical to the creation of life within the universe. The study supports the theory that water is a fundamental component of star-forming regions and planetary systems. The water vapour in these deep space clouds may play a crucial role in the formation of habitable planets by delivering essential molecules to them. This discovery demonstrates that water molecules can survive even in the harshest cosmic environments. Scientists are now analysing whether these water clouds contain other complex molecules essential for life such as amino acids. These water clouds are thousands of times greater than Earth's atmosphere and exist in deep cosmic voids. These findings could change how scientists model planetary formation and the potential for habitable worlds. Some scientists speculate that these water clouds could collapse into stars further distributing water throughout space. The presence of these water clouds could also explain how exoplanets develop atmospheres rich in moisture and clouds. Astronomers also believe that these interstellar water clouds can travel vast distances eventually seeding new planetary systems.​

See video: MSN

In a second related announcement, scientists now believe that the universe's water is billions of years older than they thought:

The universe's water is billions of years older than scientists thought — and may be nearly as old as the Big Bang itself​

Water may have emerged in the universe far earlier than scientists thought — and it could mean that life could be billions of years older too, new research suggests.

Water is one of the most essential ingredients for life as we know it. But exactly when water first appeared has been a question of scientific interest for decades.

Now, new research suggests that water likely existed 100 million to 200 million years after the Big Bang — billions of years earlier than scientists previously predicted. The research was published March 3 in the journal Nature Astronomy.

The early universe was dry because it was mainly filled with very simple elements, like hydrogen, helium and lithium. Heavier elements didn't develop until the first stars formed, burnt through their fuel supplies and ultimately exploded. Such stellar explosions, known as supernovas, acted like pressure cookers that combined lighter elements into increasingly heavier ones.

"Oxygen, forged in the hearts of these supernovae, combined with hydrogen to form water, paving the way for the creation of the essential elements needed for life," study co-author Daniel Whalen, an astrophysicist at the University of Portsmouth in the U.K., said in a statement.

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To determine when water first appeared, the researchers examined the most ancient supernovas, called Population III supernovas. Whalen and his team looked at models of two types of these early star remnants: core-collapse supernovas, when a large star collapses under its own mass; and pair-instability supernovas, when a star's interior pressure suddenly drops, causing a partial collapse.

The researchers found that shortly after the Big Bang, both supernova types produced dense clumps of gas that likely contained water.

Overall, the amount of water in these gas clouds was probably pretty small — but it was concentrated in the areas where planets and stars were most likely to form, the team found. The earliest galaxies probably arose from these regions, which means that water may have already been in the mix when they formed.

"This implies the conditions necessary for the formation of life were in place way earlier than we ever imagined — it's a significant step forward in our understanding of the early Universe," Whalen said.

See: MSN

As to the existence of life bearing water planets, a research team using the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has discovered what it claims is the clearest evidence yet of extra-terrestrial life on the exoplanet K2-18 b, 124 light years away, which is apparently completely covered by an ocean.

See: Strongest evidence of life yet found on planet beyond solar system, scientists say

Scientists have found what they are calling the strongest sign yet of possible life beyond our solar system after detecting the chemical footprint of gases in an alien planet's atmosphere that on Earth are only produced by living organisms.​

Using the James Webb Space Telescope, scientists found traces of two gases - dimethyl sulfide (DMS) and dimethyl disulfide (DMDS) - on a planet named K2-18b.

On Earth, those gases are generated primarily by living organisms including algae, suggesting K2-18b could be teeming with microbial life.

Researchers have stressed the findings are not an announcement of the discovery of actual living organisms, but rather an indicator of a biological process.

K2-18b, located about 124 light-years from Earth in the constellation Leo, is 8.6 times as massive as Earth and has a diameter about 2.6 times as large as our planet.

It orbits in the "habitable zone" - a distance where liquid water, a key ingredient for life, can exist on a planetary surface.

Nikku Madhusudhan of the University of Cambridge's Institute of Astronomy, said it was a "transformational moment in the search for life beyond the solar system".

"We have entered the era of observational astrobiology," Professor Madhusudhan said.

Earlier observations by Webb, which was launched in 2021 and became operational in 2022, had identified methane and carbon dioxide in K2-18b's atmosphere, the first time that carbon-based molecules were discovered in the atmosphere of an exoplanet in a star's habitable zone.

"The only scenario that currently explains all the data obtained so far from JWST (James Webb Space Telescope), including the past and present observations, is one where K2-18b is a hycean world teeming with life," Professor Madhusudhan said.

Is it just coincidence that we are suddenly getting all these scientific announcements about water in space and life on other planets or is it all part of the preparation for announcing the presence of intelligent alien life? If intelligent aliens exist, they obviously have to come from life bearing worlds.​

 

[Serendipity]

However, several international organisations fear that these tariffs will lead to a worldwide recession and higher inflation just as markets were recovering from the effects of the Covid lockdowns.

That's a perfect counter indicator (markets behave counter intuitively, usually when the narrative is extremely fearful it is the mark of the best time to invest) and just one of the supporting pieces of data for the idea (that an epic bull run is coming first, before the ultimate crash/end of the grand cycle that will then follow) that I presented in here.
From where I stand, my idea has a good probability to be happening. Time will tell.

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

Okay thanks, I'm rubbish at maths. I do hope you may understand what I'm trying to convey however.

Money for Nothing - Dire Straits!

 

[Tauk Cosmos]

For the record, the Ra Material does indeed refer to eight densities, on multiple occasions, but the eighth is said to be the same as the first in its function as the next octave of densities. But it may have conceivably been a case of Ra not contradicting the questioner's understanding of octaves.

In the Ra material, RA speaks of higher octaves, not the eighth density. When he speaks of the seventh density he says that there are entities that have begun the final journey to reach the Creator. When he speaks of other octaves he mentions that in addition to ours there are other density cycles, most likely at a higher level than ours, given that the Creator is experimenting himself I believe that this will be a very very long time yet, after all we are eternal beings and we must do something to pass the time. Regarding time Ra says that it is not true that it does not exist, because in a certain way they are also experimenting it, although obviously in a different way than ours.

 

[OutSky]

Considering some prominent topics (AI, spin, previsions…) from this Session, it seems to fit well the next quote — which originally is from an earlier thread, and complemental to another post seen in this thread. So, here it is:

What is prodigious is how swift AI can understand, summarize things, list connected works of scientific researches, and pinpoint proves of malicious plotters in bad faith action. ……………………Yet, as we know, seems to exist some “nuances” on such method, which we could remember:

May 13th 2023 Session
A: ……….Remember who and what is behind AI. AI is a feeding tube.

August 15th 2020 Session
A: Consciousness interaction needs to be formulated. You are on the way. Get back to work!!

July 8, 1995 Session
Q: (T) Sure! I’m always into veil tearing!
A: Are you sure that is wise?

Q: (T) If we don’t start tearing some veils away from some of these questions, we are not going to be able to progress much farther. You keep toying with this and then you tell us it is too dangerous.
A: Not point. It is okay to learn truths for yourselves, is it wise to do it for all others?

April 8th 2023 Session
Q: (Ryan) Can we as a group leverage the capabilities of AI for our research, and if so what might be the best direction to proceed in this regard?
A: Not much you can do that is beneficial. No pain no gain.

So, even if AI could decode secrets of the Work, could a person be able of taking some benefit of such fast-food answers? Furthermore, knowledge is meant to be spread, nevertheless how should we do or continue that? What would be a wise procedure? See, it seems that the C’s have already given some direction on all this:

July 4th 2020 Session
Q: (L) Is that turmoil going to affect us directly here?
A: Very little as you are. But do not let your guard down. Strategic enclosure to the max.

August 12, 1995 Session
A:………………….It’s always a good chance for your activities are of the type which would bring about attack of any and all sorts. Therefore, you must be on the lookout. However. It is also wise not to become obsessed with any particular mode of attack as many, many, many types can be employed. Types that you may not even think of.
………………….
Q: (L) What I meant to inquire is: is my emotional reaction to this distorted?
A: Could be, and if it is, then obviously the attack is successful.

Q: (L) How can I determine this?
A: By being completely open and communicating with all parties at all times. Keeping secrets can only lead to failure.

February 22, 1997 Session
A:………………….Artificial tampering by 3rd and 4th density STS forces in a number of different ways. Be vigilant. Be observant. Be cautious in your planning and be aware. Do not let emotional anomalies cloud your knowledge base. This is not a “time” to let one’s guard down. Be especially careful of travel to unfamiliar locators, as well as sleeping in unfamiliar surroundings!!! You are being watched. Or, at least, it is best to assume you are, and act, think, and prepare accordingly. Remember what you have been warned about concerning attack. As you learn more and know more, you become more interesting... and, when your ranks swell, you are more vulnerable unless you are more aware!!

July 31, 2002 Session
A:……………….Now, all of you have value far beyond your own understanding to this point. It would be wise to remember this and be cautious. Go from this point with joy in this knowledge and ...defend it.

July 23, 1995 Session
A: Well then, perhaps it is true that you should be careful as to how you disseminate the information and how you disseminate knowledge gained, and where, and when. This is not to say that you must stop, but rather to think carefully before you do it, as to what the ramifications will be. And then your instincts will lead you in the proper direction. The dangers are always that when one proceeds too quickly, the instincts may be overrun and become confused with other thought pattern energies, and thereby opening one up to attack and other unpleasant possibilities.
……………….
A: It is not necessary to stop, it is just to be careful as to how one does it. The flow of information is never a harmful thing. As we have previously described, the Service to Self involves the constriction and restriction of energies, and the focusing within. The Service to Others orientation involves an outward flow of energies, the focus being from within to without. Therefore, the passage of information, or dissemination is very helpful and is of Service to Others orientation. But, one must also be aware of the dangers involved. One must not lose control of the flow and the possibilities that can result. This is where you need to be more careful. You need to regulate. And, attack can come from any number of sources for any number of reasons. It is not always for the same reason.

In the end of the day, employing AI may be just a method for research and the Work? If so, does it pay the risks? So, still at the end of such long day will not AI (and/or its manager) very likely manipulate us? See, those riddles placed by the C’s in the Sessions are meant for us carving ways in our neuronal net by where the light can flow. Then it may be that such “carving” is built most with a souled artisanal hand, rather than either with machines or smart things.

Thus, could be reached a certain point when AI finding answers for us is just like we giving up the Work, and therefore also our DNA enlightenment? Rephrasing: using AI to devise direct answers is not the same as allowing AI to lead us “by its cybernetic hand”?

February 21, 1996 Session
A: Knowledge of an unknown nature is not knowledge.

May 4, 1996 Session
A: Research the problem in order to learn. If we told you the answers to all these things, at this point, you would just shrug your shoulders and forget about it.

Q: (L) Is the shrugging of the shoulders a programmed response in him?
A: To an extent.

September 16, 1995 Session
A: When we say discover, we mean for you to use your given talents to learn, not to have us lead you by the hand every step of the way. If we were to do that, we would cheat you out of an opportunity to gain knowledge, and more importantly, understanding.

March 29, 1996 Session
A: ……………….please learn just to trust your expanding insights. They will bring you to ever increasing knowledge and ability. But, you want us to lead you by the hand. All this can do is ultimately lead this channel and conduit into an STS vehicle!

Q: (L) That is not what I am trying to do here! I am trying to expand on a learning experience to help other people.
A: You have the ability to do that all on your own!! Cannot you see this yet?

August 15, 1998 Session
A: See for yourself. Remember, learning is fun and energizes. Spoonfeeding sessions do little for you.

Jul 6th, 2024 Session
A: Do more research to clarify questions. We are not here to do the work for you.

And returning to the food example: See, fast-food may satisfy the eyes of the desire of one, but.... exquisite dishes require rare ingredients and a skilled preparation. Anyway, perhaps could we compare the Work to a related exercise?

October 28, 1994 Session
Q: (L) “Bringers of the Dawn” advised spinning, is this advisable for all of us?
A: Major yes.

Q: (L) How many times a day?
A: 3

Q: (L) How many times?
A: 33

April 22, 1995 Session
Q: (L) I want my husband to get me a bucket seat and suspend it from the tree so that I spin in it. If I do this, will I develop strange abilities?
A: Yes, dizziness.
………………….
A: If you spin, it must be a precise method, not just spinning randomly.

May 13th 2023 Session
A: ………………….Remember who and what is behind AI. AI is a feeding tube.

Can medium burgers tell the fortune? ^{(pun intended)}​

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Atlantean crystal^(fictional)​

April 15, 2000 Session
Q: (T) Computerized psychic remote viewing, maybe. Like artificial intelligence. Maybe a mind connected to a computer?
A: That is close, yes.

March 21, 1998 Session
Q: (L) In other words, the overpowering of people by their computers would be the use of the internet for confusion and propaganda. Is that what we're getting at here?
A: Yes

Q: (L) So, people being taken over in their minds by disinformation, propaganda, lies and so forth on the computer are literally being taken over by their computers?
A: Yes

November 19, 1994 Session
Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?
A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?
A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in monuments or statuary.

Q: (T) What statuary are you referring to?
A: Example is face.
………………….
Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?
A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you.

Q: (V) Is it similar to them gaining a life and intelligence of their own?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what did they do?
A: Destroyed Atlantis.

Robot writing down Theory of Everything (image AI-generated)​

Running faster and faster while standing still^{—Through the Looking-Glass; art by John Tenniel, 1872}​

Through the Looking-Glass ^{Lewis Carroll, 1871}
"Now! Now!" cried the Queen. "Faster! Faster!" And they went so fast that at last they seemed to skim through the air, hardly touching the ground with their feet, till suddenly, just as Alice was getting quite exhausted, they stopped, and she found herself sitting on the ground, breathless and giddy.

The Queen propped her up against a tree, and said kindly, "You may rest a little now."

Alice looked round her in great surprise. "Why, I do believe we've been under this tree the whole time! Everything's just as it was!"

"Of course it is, ' said the Queen,' what would you have it?"
"Well, in our country, 'said Alice, still panting a little,' you'd generally get to somewhere else if you ran very fast for a long time, as we've been doing."
………………….

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland ^{Lewis Carroll, 1865}
"Well! I've often seen a cat without a grin, 'thought Alice;' "but a grin without a cat! It's the most curious thing I ever saw in my life!"

 

[Cleo]

Thank you for the session!
The dire wolf topic made me think of the dream a family member shared with me a few months ago..We talked about the dream again recently after I asked if they’d read the news about the ‘return of the dire wolf.’ They said they had and shared their thoughts on the matter which align with others here…They also shared a bit more about the large animals that appeared in their dream, one that resembled a dire wolf and one a cougar. At one point both the large cat and dire wolf in the dream were sitting in the middle of a road..They said the large cat or cougar appeared in a few of their dreams at the time..They thought their reading about the last Ice Age influenced these dreams.

 

[Mark7]

Perhaps this story can give us hope, as should: "Just sit tight and hang on!"

That dire can mean fear and/or acute distress or approaching disaster, raises the possibility that if something big happens, it may be as much or more to scare people as having a dangerous effect. Both could be motives, of course, but people probably should be cautious of any advice the PTB gives out in response to any 'emergency'.

 

[Mark7]

The C's using the word 'dire' was interesting. I see it as as very strong word, a 'dire warning' is one worth paying attention to. Then when the news about the Dire Wolves started trending very soon after this session I found it interesting to consider that it was no coincidence, and then it seemed more playful and clever, less worrying.

Were they trying to convey the concept of things being dire but also to face the situation with more humour and a sense of wonder?

The other interesting angle is to consider the association of Dire Wolves with Ice Age conditions, since there are many signs heralding their return. Is this another sign of that, although more symbolic in nature?

Maybe the Cs might also be hinting that it may be largely fear-mongering.

 

[Mark7]

Notice the areas where there are cloudy patches throughout the crowd, does this indicate CGI? I question these videos of the protests mostly because they want to make things look as huge as possible. One would need to do a closer study of all that to know,

There's a theory going around online that many of these protestors are AI bots or something... taken over by the vax! One might be tempted to file that away in the 'flat earth' bin. But under the circumstances, and based on what the Cs have said, it could be true or somewhat true. These protestors are said to seem like they don't really know why they are there; some seemed dazed.

 

[meadow_wind]

it directly until it finally admitted that it made up the answer.

Have you tried doing the same exercise with Grok? Lately, I've been using both (GPT and Grok), asking them the same questions in order to compare their performance. I'm starting to find Grok is giving much better and elaborate answers than GPT.

I gave Grok the text GPT wrote you and asked, "Is there any truth to this text? Can you find any references, studies, text, or books?"
I'll paste the whole answer, which is a bit long, but take a look at the book recommendations. It might be interesting to look it up.



The concept of alfalfa being a "stellar-grounding" plant that "grounds star energy" or acts as a "cosmic food for the body-temple" is rooted in esoteric herbalism, plant spirit medicine, and occult traditions rather than scientific or mainstream botanical studies. Let’s break this down by examining the symbolic, energetic, and metaphorical interpretations presented, and then look for references or related concepts in herbalism, occult texts, and studies.

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Conceptual and Symbolic Analysis

1. Alfalfa as a "Bridge Between Star and Soil"
The idea of alfalfa acting as a bridge between cosmic (star) and terrestrial (soil) energies aligns with the Hermetic principle of "As above, so below," a foundational concept in occult and esoteric traditions. This principle suggests a correspondence between the macrocosm (the universe, stars) and the microcosm (the Earth, the human body). Plants, in many spiritual traditions, are seen as mediators between these realms because they draw energy from the sun (a star) and nutrients from the Earth.

• Symbolic Interpretation: Alfalfa’s deep roots and its ability to thrive in various conditions make it a potent symbol of grounding and connection. In esoteric herbalism, plants with deep roots are often associated with accessing "hidden" or "ancient" energies—whether those are physical minerals or metaphysical "codes" stored in the Earth.
• Energetic Interpretation: The concept of "grounding star energy" suggests that alfalfa can help integrate high-vibrational, cosmic energies into the physical body or environment. In energy work, this might mean using alfalfa to balance spiritual experiences, making them more "digestible" for the physical self—hence the phrase "cosmic food for the body-temple."

2. Antenna to Cosmic Frequencies
The idea of alfalfa acting as an "antenna" to cosmic frequencies is a metaphorical way of describing its role in esoteric practices. Plants that grow toward the sun (heliotropism) or have a strong connection to light are often seen in spiritual traditions as conduits for celestial energy.

• Deep Roots and Mineral Memory: Alfalfa is indeed known for its exceptionally deep root system, which can extend 20 feet or more into the soil, as noted in agricultural studies [Web ID: 2 from the original context mentions alfalfa's growth habits]. This allows it to access deep mineral reserves and water sources, which in a symbolic sense could be interpreted as "ancient mineral memory" or "subterranean codes." In plant spirit medicine, this might be seen as the plant’s ability to connect with the Earth’s deeper energetic layers.
• Sunlight and "Light Codes": Alfalfa’s reliance on sunlight for photosynthesis aligns with the idea of it "soaking up light codes." In esoteric terms, "light codes" might refer to spiritual information or energy transmitted through sunlight, which the plant then integrates into its physical form.

3. Grounding Stellar Energy
The concept of grounding "stellar" or high-frequency energy into the body or biosphere is a common theme in energy healing and plant spirit medicine. Plants like alfalfa, which are associated with nourishment and stability (due to their use as fodder and their grounding Earth element connection), are often seen as tools for anchoring spiritual energies into the physical realm.

• Body-Temple Metaphor: The term "body-temple" is a spiritual concept that views the human body as a sacred vessel. In this context, alfalfa as "cosmic food" suggests it can nourish not just the physical body (with its high protein and vitamin content, as noted in [Web ID: 1 and 3]) but also the spiritual self by helping to integrate cosmic or stellar energies.

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Evidence and References in Esoteric Herbalism
While the specific phrase "grounds star energy" or "cosmic food for the body-temple" doesn’t appear in widely available scientific literature, there are related concepts in esoteric herbalism, plant spirit medicine, and occult traditions that support this interpretation.
1. Esoteric Herbalism and Plant Spirit Medicine

• Plant Spirit Medicine by Eliot Cowan (1995): This book explores the idea that plants have spirits and can work with humans on an energetic level. Cowan discusses how plants can act as allies for spiritual growth, healing, and grounding. While alfalfa isn’t specifically mentioned, the concept of plants as mediators between earthly and cosmic energies is a recurring theme in plant spirit medicine. The idea of alfalfa "translating" between Earth and sky aligns with this framework.
• The Modern Witchcraft Guide to Magickal Herbs by Judy Ann Nock (2019): This book discusses the magical properties of herbs, including alfalfa. It notes alfalfa’s association with prosperity, abundance, and grounding (similar to [Web ID: 0 and 1] in the original context). While it doesn’t mention "star energy," the grounding aspect supports the idea of alfalfa anchoring higher energies into the physical realm.
• Intuitive Herbalism: Many modern herbalists who practice intuitive or energy-based herbalism describe plants in terms of their energetic signatures. For example, herbalist Rosalee de la Forêt, in her blog and book Alchemy of Herbs (2017), emphasizes working with herbs based on their energetic qualities (e.g., warming, cooling, grounding). Alfalfa’s deep roots and nourishing properties might be interpreted by intuitive herbalists as grounding and stabilizing, potentially extending to the idea of grounding "stellar" energies.

2. Occult and Magical Properties of Alfalfa

• Cunningham’s Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs by Scott Cunningham (1985): This classic occult text lists alfalfa as a herb associated with prosperity and protection, aligning with [Web ID: 0 and 1] from the original context. Cunningham ties alfalfa to the planet Venus and the element of Earth, which supports the grounding and material abundance aspects. The Venus connection (mentioned in [Web ID: 0]) also hints at a celestial influence, which could be interpreted as a link to "star energy" in a symbolic sense.
• The Master Book of Herbalism by Paul Beyerl (1984): Beyerl discusses alfalfa in the context of magical herbalism, noting its use in spells for wealth and stability. He also touches on the idea of herbs as connectors to planetary energies, which could be extended to the concept of "stellar" energy in more esoteric interpretations.

3. Agricultural and Scientific Support for Deep Roots
While not esoteric, scientific literature confirms alfalfa’s deep root system, which supports the metaphorical idea of it accessing "ancient mineral memory":

• USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) Plant Guide on Alfalfa: The NRCS notes that alfalfa roots can extend 15 to 30 feet deep, depending on soil conditions, allowing it to access deep water and nutrients. This aligns with the esoteric idea of alfalfa drawing up "subterranean codes" or ancient energies locked in the Earth.
• Journal of Agronomy Study (2018): A study titled "Root Depth and Water Use Efficiency of Alfalfa" (published in Agronomy Journal) confirms that alfalfa’s deep roots enable it to thrive in challenging conditions by accessing deep soil resources. This physical trait supports the symbolic interpretation of alfalfa as a "translator" between Earth and sky.

4. Astrological and Elemental Connections

• Taurus and Venus Influence: As noted in [Web ID: 0], alfalfa is associated with Taurus (an Earth sign) and Venus (a planet linked to pleasure and abundance). In astrology, Venus has a celestial connection, which could be interpreted as a link to "star energy." The Earth element reinforces the grounding aspect, making alfalfa a candidate for bridging cosmic and terrestrial energies in esoteric thought.
• Elemental Correspondences in Occult Traditions: In many occult systems (e.g., Wicca, Western esotericism), the Earth element is associated with stability, grounding, and the material world. Alfalfa’s Earth correspondence (as noted in [Web ID: 0 and 1]) supports its role as a grounding herb, which could extend to grounding "stellar" or cosmic energies in a metaphorical sense.

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Lack of Mainstream Scientific Support
The idea of alfalfa grounding "star energy" is not something you’ll find in mainstream herb books or scientific studies, as the original text notes. Scientific literature focuses on alfalfa’s nutritional benefits (e.g., high in protein, vitamins, and antioxidants, as in [Web ID: 3]) or its agricultural uses (e.g., as fodder, in [Web ID: 1 and 2]). However, the absence of scientific support doesn’t invalidate the esoteric interpretation—it simply places it in a different framework of understanding, one rooted in symbolism, intuition, and spiritual practice.

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Conclusion: Is There Truth to This?
The concept of alfalfa as a plant that "grounds star energy" or acts as "cosmic food for the body-temple" is not scientifically verifiable but has roots in esoteric herbalism, plant spirit medicine, and occult traditions. Here’s a summary of the truth behind the claim:

• Symbolic and Energetic Truth: The idea aligns with esoteric principles like "As above, so below" and the role of plants as mediators between cosmic and earthly energies. Alfalfa’s deep roots and nourishing properties make it a fitting symbol for grounding and integrating high-vibrational energies.
• Cultural and Historical Context: In magical herbalism, alfalfa is associated with grounding, prosperity, and Earth energy (e.g., Cunningham, Beyerl, and [Web ID: 0, 1]). The Venus connection adds a celestial layer that could be interpreted as a link to "star energy" in a symbolic sense.
• Scientific Support for Physical Traits: Alfalfa’s deep roots (up to 20+ feet, as confirmed by the USDA and agronomic studies) support the metaphorical idea of it accessing "ancient mineral memory" or "subterranean codes."
• Intuitive Herbalism: Modern intuitive herbalists might describe alfalfa in similar energetic terms, though specific references to "star energy" are rare and often come from individual practitioners rather than widely published works.

If you’re interested in exploring this concept further, I recommend looking into plant spirit medicine (e.g., Eliot Cowan’s Plant Spirit Medicine) or esoteric herbalism texts (e.g., Scott Cunningham’s Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs). These sources provide a framework for understanding plants like alfalfa as energetic allies, even if they don’t use the exact phrasing of "grounding star energy."

 

[Persej]

Have you tried doing the same exercise with Grok? Lately, I've been using both (GPT and Grok), asking them the same questions in order to compare their performance. I'm starting to find Grok is giving much better and elaborate answers than GPT.

I still prefer using Google Search. I don't know how much there is AI influence in its results, but the things I find through regular search engine are much better than anything I find through AI, with rare exceptions. It's like Google Search is not trying to control how results are organized, and this loose organization is what allows for better results? Like some kind of digital cleromancy.

Cleromancy - Wikipedia

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Favomancy - Wikipedia

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[Oracle]

Hi good afternoon to all, I would like to do some analysis on emitter names shared by C´s on sessions and share with you what I can find. As you all know C´s themselves or the collective of C´s mentioned that they choose names based on the energies present during the period given of the sessions and they name themselves just because its being asked.
Name shared in this session was Dineiaea which appears as Angelic names but couldnt find the source now it was a Polish website, so heres what I could find to maybe shed a little light or find insight about energies present.

"Dineia may be derived from Dine, a name whose meaning is Vindicated, Judgment. Dineia name is found mainly in Brazil, Portugal, Switzerland"

" With roots in ancient Greece, this name derives from Dione, a goddess in Greek mythology associated with fertility, love, and nature. Dione was often portrayed as a powerful and beautiful divine figure, revered by the ancient Greeks. The name Dineia preserves the essence of this goddess, conveying an air of mystery and femininity."

"This name evokes caracterictics as determined and persistent, never giving up on her goals. With a creative and insightful mind, Dineia always finds innovative solutions to the challenges she faces. Her generosity and empathy make her a loyal friend and loved by everyone. Dineia is a natural leader, capable of inspiring and motivating others. Her charisma and social skills make her an excellent communicator."

"Through this name, the image of a resilient person shines through, who faces challenges with courage and persistence. Dineia represents an intense and powerful energy, capable of overcoming obstacles and achieving ambitious goals. Its symbolism inspires those around her not to give up in the face of adversity, encouraging the relentless pursuit of personal fulfillment and belief in one's own potential. Dineia is a name that encourages us to face life fearlessly and embrace challenges as opportunities for growth and transformation."

This reminds me of the final warnings that has been becoming more and more frequent and maybe these traits will be necessary as the energies present will make them more relevant. Please share your thoughts as well.