Session 6 December 2025

[sid]

As a single guy, I'm voting for abstinence. Sure, it's not ideal, but can I really "relieve myself" knowing full well that I'd be willingly feeding the forces of darkness that enslaves us? Nope!

I'm just glad that I'm an old man now, 'cos my inner 20 year old self would not be so inclined to agree.

To add, if anyone reads the books on this material, it is claimed that retention is not harmful at all and there are no feelings of wanting to release etc if the breathing and energy redirection techniques are practiced. The additional energy that's been built up is just not being released and instead redirected to your other organs for healing, that's all.

 

[daddycat]

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin of the Freemasons?

A: Osirians.

Q: (L) Can you tell us when the original Freemasons formed as a society?

A: 5633 B.C.

A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years ago, as you measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid "dudes" came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?

Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?

A: Yup.

5633 years (B.C.) + 2000 years (A.D.) - 500 years = about 7,000 years ago?

So Freemasons originated from Osirians that met Reptoid "dudes" that came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught Osirians calculus, geometry and astrophysics?

 

[ninjacat]

This post Laura wrote on SubStack really helped me (although admittedly some of it was over my head). The Kiss of al-Qahhār the Crusher: Love, Sex, and the Terrible Mercy of the Divine Names

Ok, I will check this out. Yes, maybe abstinence is not the right term, because i only meant abstinence from casual partners, not from autonomous activity with thyself :D

 

[ninjacat]

Hmmm... I find it quite interesting that the constellation of Ursus Major should show up in this tapestry along with Masonic symbols as my researches have uncovered a cult of the Great Bear in ancient Egypt, especially in the time of the now largely forgotten Egyptian Queen Sobekneferu, who was alleged to have been a practitioner of the dark arts.

Queen Sobekneferu is though well known to modern occultists as she was the Egyptian queen who was portrayed through the character of Queen Tera in Bram Stoker's (1847-1912) novel The Jewel of the Seven Stars, a book which would subsequently form the staple of many modern mummy horror movies including her latest incarnation in Tom Cruise's 2017 movie The Mummy. Bram Stoker, who was an Irishman, is, of course, better known for his classic gothic horror novel Dracula. However, he was also allegedly a member of the Victorian Rosicrucian Society The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which briefly had as its head the notorious Aleister Crowley who has featured in the transcripts on a few occasions. He thus had strong connections with the British occultic circles of his time.

Sobekneferu is thought to have been Egypt’s first female ruler, who lived around 1800 BC. Although she ruled for just four years at the end of the Twelfth Dynasty the repercussions of her reign were long lasting and continue to be felt to this day.

Quoting British author Andrew Collins:


Collins has is fact published a book on Sobekneferu and I should really get round to writing a post on it. She is historically linked to the completion of the famous great labyrinth, which had been started by her late father, Pharoah Amenemhat III..

In Theosophy (which is based primarily on Madam Blavatsky's writings), it is believed that the Seven Stars of the Pleiades focus the spiritual energy of the seven rays from the Galactic Logos to the Seven Stars of the Great Bear, then to Sirius, then to the Sun, then to the god of Earth (Sanat Kumara), and finally through the seven Masters of the Seven Rays (i.e., Blavatsky's Ascended Masters) to the human race.

It may well be that the Golden Dawn shared a similar outlook to their Theosophist contemporaries where the Seven Stars of the Great Bear were concerned, one which may have informed Stoker in his writings.

But could there be another connection with Ursa Major, one that relates directly to the quest for the Grail perhaps, as represented by the figure of the famous grail questor Percival?​

The C's subsequently elaborated further on this point in connection with Laura's questions concerning the Egyptian Pyramid Texts and the Seven Sages (Could these be the Master of the Seven Rays and Blavatsky's Ascended Masters perhaps?) in the Session dated 22 August 1998:

Was this celestial meaning perhaps known to the ancient Egyptians?

The word "celestial" when used as an adjective means "positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy", as in a celestial body. It can also mean in a religious context "belonging or relating to heaven", as in the celestial city. Finally, it can mean something which is "supremely good" as in celestial beauty. However, sticking with the first meaning, could the C's have meant that the court of seven related to a celestial body or group of such bodies, as in a star or constellation? If so, could they have had in mind Ursa Major whose stars may have been viewed by the ancients as a handle turning the heavens around the pole star Polaris?

Coming back to the Chinese silk tapestry though, does the use of Masonic symbolism and the depiction of the constellation Ursa Major suggest that there may have been a far more ancient connection between the Egypt of the Pharaohs and China? Afterall the C's said that the progenitors of modern Freemasonry were the Osirians of Egypt:



This date of 5633 BC long predates the emergence of the Chinese civilisation that we know today. Does this Chinese tapestry suggest then that Egyptian Freemasonry, Egyptian deities such as Isis and Osiris, and Egyptian star-based mythology such as that espoused by Queen Sobekneferu may have influenced the ancient Chinese?

The Chinese to this day are associated with the symbol of the dragon (as depicted by the constellation of Draco), which in other cultures is often linked with the Reptilians or lizzies - think, for example, of Angkor Wat in Cambodia and Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan:



Since the brother/sister, husband/wife combo of Fuxi and Nüwa, (the Chinese mythological creators of humanity) are often depicted as having serpent tails instead of legs, does this suggest that they represented hybrid creations of the Reptilians?

However, in ancient Egypt, one of the most sacred animals was the crocodile, which, as we saw above, was used to depict the crocodile god Sobek, a deity that was linked to the constellations of Ursus Major and Draco. As with the dragon in China and other parts of the Orient, could the crocodile have represented or symbolised the Lizzies, especially as the C's said that the Reptilians actually look like upright alligators?



I attach below a statue of the god Sobek, which was unearthed at the site of the Labyrinth at Hawara and dates to the reign of Amenemhat III, Sobekneferu's father.

View attachment 115180

I must say the figure does look a bit like an upright crocodile or alligator to me. So, as at Angkor Wat and Mohenjo Daro, could the Lizzies have openly appeared to their followers in Egypt during this time period? Given what the C's said here, it is not out of the question:
​

So then the it is a symbol of wisdom

Hmmm... I find it quite interesting that the constellation of Ursus Major should show up in this tapestry along with Masonic symbols as my researches have uncovered a cult of the Great Bear in ancient Egypt, especially in the time of the now largely forgotten Egyptian Queen Sobekneferu, who was alleged to have been a practitioner of the dark arts.

Queen Sobekneferu is though well known to modern occultists as she was the Egyptian queen who was portrayed through the character of Queen Tera in Bram Stoker's (1847-1912) novel The Jewel of the Seven Stars, a book which would subsequently form the staple of many modern mummy horror movies including her latest incarnation in Tom Cruise's 2017 movie The Mummy. Bram Stoker, who was an Irishman, is, of course, better known for his classic gothic horror novel Dracula. However, he was also allegedly a member of the Victorian Rosicrucian Society The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which briefly had as its head the notorious Aleister Crowley who has featured in the transcripts on a few occasions. He thus had strong connections with the British occultic circles of his time.

Sobekneferu is thought to have been Egypt’s first female ruler, who lived around 1800 BC. Although she ruled for just four years at the end of the Twelfth Dynasty the repercussions of her reign were long lasting and continue to be felt to this day.

Quoting British author Andrew Collins:


Collins has is fact published a book on Sobekneferu and I should really get round to writing a post on it. She is historically linked to the completion of the famous great labyrinth, which had been started by her late father, Pharoah Amenemhat III..

In Theosophy (which is based primarily on Madam Blavatsky's writings), it is believed that the Seven Stars of the Pleiades focus the spiritual energy of the seven rays from the Galactic Logos to the Seven Stars of the Great Bear, then to Sirius, then to the Sun, then to the god of Earth (Sanat Kumara), and finally through the seven Masters of the Seven Rays (i.e., Blavatsky's Ascended Masters) to the human race.

It may well be that the Golden Dawn shared a similar outlook to their Theosophist contemporaries where the Seven Stars of the Great Bear were concerned, one which may have informed Stoker in his writings.

But could there be another connection with Ursa Major, one that relates directly to the quest for the Grail perhaps, as represented by the figure of the famous grail questor Percival?​

The C's subsequently elaborated further on this point in connection with Laura's questions concerning the Egyptian Pyramid Texts and the Seven Sages (Could these be the Master of the Seven Rays and Blavatsky's Ascended Masters perhaps?) in the Session dated 22 August 1998:

Was this celestial meaning perhaps known to the ancient Egyptians?

The word "celestial" when used as an adjective means "positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy", as in a celestial body. It can also mean in a religious context "belonging or relating to heaven", as in the celestial city. Finally, it can mean something which is "supremely good" as in celestial beauty. However, sticking with the first meaning, could the C's have meant that the court of seven related to a celestial body or group of such bodies, as in a star or constellation? If so, could they have had in mind Ursa Major whose stars may have been viewed by the ancients as a handle turning the heavens around the pole star Polaris?

Coming back to the Chinese silk tapestry though, does the use of Masonic symbolism and the depiction of the constellation Ursa Major suggest that there may have been a far more ancient connection between the Egypt of the Pharaohs and China? Afterall the C's said that the progenitors of modern Freemasonry were the Osirians of Egypt:



This date of 5633 BC long predates the emergence of the Chinese civilisation that we know today. Does this Chinese tapestry suggest then that Egyptian Freemasonry, Egyptian deities such as Isis and Osiris, and Egyptian star-based mythology such as that espoused by Queen Sobekneferu may have influenced the ancient Chinese?

The Chinese to this day are associated with the symbol of the dragon (as depicted by the constellation of Draco), which in other cultures is often linked with the Reptilians or lizzies - think, for example, of Angkor Wat in Cambodia and Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan:



Since the brother/sister, husband/wife combo of Fuxi and Nüwa, (the Chinese mythological creators of humanity) are often depicted as having serpent tails instead of legs, does this suggest that they represented hybrid creations of the Reptilians?

However, in ancient Egypt, one of the most sacred animals was the crocodile, which, as we saw above, was used to depict the crocodile god Sobek, a deity that was linked to the constellations of Ursus Major and Draco. As with the dragon in China and other parts of the Orient, could the crocodile have represented or symbolised the Lizzies, especially as the C's said that the Reptilians actually look like upright alligators?



I attach below a statue of the god Sobek, which was unearthed at the site of the Labyrinth at Hawara and dates to the reign of Amenemhat III, Sobekneferu's father.

View attachment 115180

I must say the figure does look a bit like an upright crocodile or alligator to me. So, as at Angkor Wat and Mohenjo Daro, could the Lizzies have openly appeared to their followers in Egypt during this time period? Given what the C's said here, it is not out of the question:
​

So then it is a symbol of wisdom and higher learning and it isn't at the same time. They have 'higher learning' because they are more advanced than humans, but there are also other beings as advanced or even more so if other beings would've shown up at that time with their own technology, then perhaps those beings would've been the symbol for wisdom and higher learning...

 

[iamthatis]

Ok, I will check this out. Yes, maybe abstinence is not the right term, because i only meant abstinence from casual partners, not from autonomous activity with thyself :D

Ah, I see. Yeah, not sleeping around with causal partners is a great idea for various reasons - STD's, spirit attachments, and entanglements with sketchy people can all be avoided. Plus, Gurdjieff wrote about the importance of working on unconscious use of sexual energy:

"At the same time sex plays a tremendous role in maintaining the mechanicalness of life. Everything that people do is connected with 'sex': politics, religion, art, the theater, music, is all 'sex.' Do you think people go to the theater or to church to pray or to see some new play? That is only for the sake of appearances. The principal thing, in the theater as well as in church, is that there will be a lot of women or a lot of men. This is the center of gravity of all gatherings. What do you think brings people to cafés, to restaurants, to various fetes? One thing only. Sex: it is the principal motive force of all mechanicalness. All sleep, all hypnosis, depends upon it.

"You must try to understand what I mean. Mechanicalness is especially dangerous when people try to explain it by something else and not by what it really is. When sex is clearly conscious of itself and does not cover itself up by anything else it is not the mechanicalness about which I am speaking. On the contrary sex which exists by itself and is not dependent on anything else is already a great achievement. But the evil lies in this constant self-deception!"

"What then is the deduction; should it be so or should it be changed?" asked someone.

G. smiled.

"That is something people always ask," he said. "Whatever they may be speaking about, they ask: Ought it to be like that and how can it be changed, that is, what ought to be done in such a case? As though it were possible to change anything, as though it were possible to do anything. You at least ought to have realized by now how naive such questions are. Cosmic forces have created this state of affairs and cosmic forces control this state of affairs. And you ask: Can it be left like that or should it be changed! God himself could change nothing. Do you remember what was said about the forty-eight laws? They cannot be changed, but liberation from a considerable portion of them is possible, that is to say, there is a possibility of changing the state of affairs for oneself, it is possible to escape from the general law. You should understand that in this case as well as in all others the general law cannot be changed. But one can change one's own position in relation to this law; one can escape from the general law. The more so since in this law about which I speak, that is, in the power of sex over people, are included many different possibilities. It includes the chief form of slavery and it is also the chief possibility of liberation. This is what you must understand.

" 'New birth,' of which we have spoken before, depends as much upon sex energy as do physical birth and the propagation of species.

 

[Magnolia]

Gurdjieff wrote about the importance of working on unconscious use of sexual energy:

Everything that people do is connected with 'sex': politics, religion, art, the theater, music, is all 'sex.' ........ Sex: it is the principal motive force of all mechanicalness. All sleep, all hypnosis, depends upon it.

I've been watching some of Ricky Gervais' stand-up comedy shows. He confuses me. He seems to have people's best interests at heart, but he is incredibly raunchy and graphically sexual. It finally occurred to me that (similar to George Carlin) he might be trying to make "the denied and suppressed" proclivities in people manifest, without actually "calling them out on it" -- things like coveting thy neighbor's wife, being sexually attracted to one's own children -- all pretty awful stuff. But he camouflages his disclosure of this human tragedy with "humor." If this is his point, most people seem to miss it. But he could be attempting to illustrate some instances of what Gurdjieff explains.

 

[Persej]

Q: (L) The Pyramid Texts also talk about the ‘Duat.’ What is this?

A: Scene of martyrdom.

Q: (L) They also talk about the ‘Seven Sages.’ You once said that Perceval was ‘knighted in the Court of Seven and that the sword’s points signify ‘crystal transmitter of truth beholden.’ Do these seven sages relate to this ‘Court of Seven’ that you mentioned?

A: Close.

Q: (L) When you said ‘swords points signify crystal transmitter of truth beholden,’ could you elaborate on that remark?

A: Has celestial meaning.

However, sticking with the first meaning, could the C's have meant that the court of seven related to a celestial body or group of such bodies, as in a star or constellation? If so, could they have had in mind Ursa Major whose stars may have been viewed by the ancients as a handle turning the heavens around the pole star Polaris?

Perhaps the ancients had something greater in mind?

The Ursa Major Moving Group, also known as Collinder 285 and the Ursa Major association, is the closest stellar moving group – a set of stars with common velocities in space and thought to have a common origin in space and time.

All stars in the Ursa Major Moving Group are moving in roughly the same direction at similar velocities, and also have similar chemical compositions and estimated ages. This evidence suggests to astronomers that the stars in the group share a common origin.

Based on the numbers of its constituent stars, the Ursa Major Moving Group is believed to have once been an open cluster, having formed from a protostellar nebula approximately 500 million years ago. Since then, the sparse group has scattered over a region about 30 by 18 light-years, whose center is currently about 80 light-years away, making it the closest cluster-like object to Earth.

The Ursa Major Moving Group was discovered in 1869 by Richard A. Proctor, who noticed that, except for Dubhe and Alkaid (Eta Ursae Majoris), the stars of the Big Dipper asterism all have proper motions heading towards a common point in Sagittarius. Thus, the Big Dipper, unlike most constellations or asterisms, is largely composed of related stars (another example of which would be Taurus).

Ursa Major moving group - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If they are moving together in space, and are the closest stellar moving group to us, perhaps together with them, we belong to the same cosmic structure which moves through the galaxy? Perhaps we are the part of the same Birkeland filament?

 

[Persej]

In Theosophy (which is based primarily on Madam Blavatsky's writings), it is believed that the Seven Stars of the Pleiades focus the spiritual energy of the seven rays from the Galactic Logos to the Seven Stars of the Great Bear, then to Sirius, then to the Sun, then to the god of Earth (Sanat Kumara), and finally through the seven Masters of the Seven Rays (i.e., Blavatsky's Ascended Masters) to the human race.

Yes, the Pleiades is also interesting group of stars for us.

The Pleiades have long been known to be a physically related group of stars rather than any chance alignment. John Michell calculated in 1767 that the probability of a chance alignment of so many bright stars was only 1 in 500,000, and so surmised that the Pleiades and many other clusters must consist of physically related stars. When studies were first made of the proper motions of the stars, it was found that they are all moving in the same direction across the sky, at the same rate, further demonstrating that they were related.

Pleiades - Wikipedia

They are related to each other, and they are probably also related to us.

In the Taurus constellation, there is also a Hyades group:

In 1869, the astronomer R.A. Proctor observed that numerous stars at large distances from the Hyades share a similar motion through space. In 1908, Lewis Boss reported almost 25 years of observations to support this premise, arguing for the existence of a co-moving group of stars that he called the Taurus Stream (now generally known as the Hyades Stream or Hyades Supercluster). Boss published a chart that traced the scattered stars' movements back to a common point of convergence.

By the 1920s, the notion that the Hyades shared a common origin with the Praesepe Cluster was widespread, with Rudolf Klein-Wassink noting in 1927 that the two clusters are "probably cosmically related".

Hyades (star cluster) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It seems that the cosmos is much more organized than we thought.

 

[benklerk]

I imaged the Pleiades not so long ago. Where I live, its low in the north for me as being in Australia. It's also surrounded by a reflection nebula also.

Yes, the Pleiades is also interesting group of stars for us.

 

[panoptix]

Yes, maybe abstinence is not the right term, because i only meant abstinence from casual partners, not from autonomous activity with thyself :D

To add, if anyone reads the books on this material, it is claimed that retention is not harmful at all and there are no feelings of wanting to release etc if the breathing and energy redirection techniques are practiced. The additional energy that's been built up is just not being released and instead redirected to your other organs for healing, that's all.

Actually, according to Taoism, retention is harmful after the age of 30 if it has not been practice before, even if breathing techniques are performed correctly, whether for Single Cultivation (Qingxiu/monastic) or Dual Cultivation (Shuangxiu/with a partner); in fact, when the “Negative principle” has advanced (with the age, mechanical suffering et al.) and has reached the average values of Chu's “Positive principle.” Kindly refer to the table:

Age​	Months​	Chu's​	Postive principle​	Negative principle​
2 years and 8 months	32​	64​	1​	0​
5 years and 4 months	64​	128​	2​	0​
8 years	96​	192​	3​	0​
10 years and 8 months	128​	256​	4​	0​
13 years and 4 months	160​	320​	5​	0​
16 years	192​	384​	6​	0​
24 years	288​	320​	6​	1​
32 years	384​	256​	6​	2​
40 years	480​	192​	6​	3​
48 years	576​	128​	6​	4​
56 years	672​	64​	6​	5​
64 years	768​	0​	6​	6​

Taken and summarized from Zhao Bichen's Weisheng Shenglixue Mingzhi (衛生性理學明指),
often translated as “The Treatise on Taoist Alchemy and Medicine.”​

I think that's why Rosicrucian lore goes first for the Parergon (Labora) before trying the Ergon (Ora). You may also check Canseliet's Preface to the Third French Edition from the unbeatable Spanish edition of The Dwellings of the Philosophers (Las Moradas Filosofales), translated by the initiated Vicente Villacampa, who adds this footnote (and I translate):

During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, the only method was the so-called “wet way,” a process that lasted about forty days and required years of preparation. In the 17th century, [Johann Conrad] Barchusen introduced the “dry way,” which shortened the Great Work to just four days, although its implementation was limited to a very small number of adepts.​

When referring to inner-alchemy, “wet way” is the Dual Cultivation and “dry way” is the Monastic Life (Hesychasm).