Shooting at Texas church leaves at least 27 people dead, 20 wounded

mabar

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It got my attention that Sutherland Springs, TX, is an unincorporated community (??), is the first time I know there are unincorporated communities within USA soil, comparing to Puerto Rico that is "outside"-island? and, is not that clear to me what is supposed to mean in short terms, perhaps is why FBI arrived there? ... and -that is why Puerto Rico does not have electricity after last hurricane?, last I heard, Florida's governor was going to help them ... to which it is curious to me

anyways ...

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_territories_of_the_United_States said:
Unincorporated territories of the United States

Under United States law, an unincorporated territory is an area controlled by the United States government which is not part of (i.e., "incorporated" in) the United States. In unincorporated territories, the U.S. Constitution applies only partially. In the absence of an organic law a territory is classified as unorganized. In unincorporated territories, "fundamental rights apply as a matter of law, but other constitutional rights are not available".[1] Selected constitutional provisions apply depending on congressional acts and judicial rulings according to U.S. constitutional practice, local tradition and law.

There are currently 13 unincorporated territories, comprising a land area of approximately 12 thousand square kilometres (4.63 thousand square miles) containing a population of approximately 4 million people; Puerto Rico alone comprises the vast majority of both the total area and total population.

Of the 13 territories, five are inhabited. These are either organized or self-governing,[2] but unincorporated. These are Puerto Rico, Guam, Northern Mariana islands, U.S. Virgin Islands, and American Samoa.[3] There are also nine uninhabited US possessions, of which only Palmyra Atoll is incorporated. (See Territories of the United States, Unorganized territory [4] and insular area.)
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All modern inhabited territories under the control of the federal government can be considered as part of the "United States" for purposes of law as defined in specific legislation.[5] However, the judicial term "unincorporated" was coined to legitimize the U.S. late 19th-century territorial acquisitions without citizenship and their administration without constitutional protections temporarily until Congress made other provisions. The case law allowed Congress to impose discriminatory tax regimes with the effect of a protective tariff upon territorial regions which were not domestic states.[6]

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In Glidden Co. v. Zdanok, 370 U.S. 530 (1962) the court cited Balzac and made the following statement regarding courts in unincorporated territories:

Upon like considerations, Article III has been viewed as inapplicable to courts created in unincorporated territories outside the mainland, Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244, 266–267; Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 298, 312–313; cf. Dorr v. United States, 195 U.S. 138, 145, 149, and to the consular courts established by concessions from foreign countries, In re Ross, 140 U.S. 453, 464–465, 480. 18

"The inhabitants of the ceded territory ... shall be admitted to the enjoyment of all the rights, advantages, and immunities of citizens of the United States;"[10] "This declaration, although somewhat changed in phraseology, is the equivalent, as pointed out in Downes v. Bidwell, of the formula, employed from the beginning to express the purpose to incorporate acquired territory into the United States, especially in the absence of other provisions showing an intention to the contrary."
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_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs said:
Sutherland Springs is an unincorporated community located on the old Spanish land grant of Manuel Tarin in northern Wilson County, Texas, United States. It is on U.S. Highway 87 at the intersection with Farm Road 539, about 21 miles east of Downtown San Antonio. Old Sutherland Springs occupies a portion of the South bank of the Cibolo Creek, with New Sutherland Springs (which is mostly in ruins) on the north bank of the Cibolo Creek. According to the Handbook of Texas, the population was 362 in 2000.
 
mabar said:
It got my attention that Sutherland Springs, TX, is an unincorporated community (??), is the first time I know there are unincorporated communities within USA soil, comparing to Puerto Rico that is "outside"-island? and, is not that clear to me what is supposed to mean in short terms, perhaps is why FBI arrived there? ... and -that is why Puerto Rico does not have electricity after last hurricane?, last I heard, Florida's governor was going to help them ... to which it is curious to me

The state of Texas is divided into separate pieces that are called counties. Within a county, a city can be created, and that process is called incorporation. Any land within a county that is not part of a city is unincorpated land, in Texas and in some other states. All 50 states are part of the United States, and what I described in Texas is completely different than a US territory outside of the 50 states.
 
hlat said:
mabar said:
It got my attention that Sutherland Springs, TX, is an unincorporated community (??), is the first time I know there are unincorporated communities within USA soil, comparing to Puerto Rico that is "outside"-island? and, is not that clear to me what is supposed to mean in short terms, perhaps is why FBI arrived there? ... and -that is why Puerto Rico does not have electricity after last hurricane?, last I heard, Florida's governor was going to help them ... to which it is curious to me

The state of Texas is divided into separate pieces that are called counties. Within a county, a city can be created, and that process is called incorporation. Any land within a county that is not part of a city is unincorpated land, in Texas and in some other states. All 50 states are part of the United States, and what I described in Texas is completely different than a US territory outside of the 50 states.
Ah, thanks hlat.
So small comunity with this tragedy, may people rest in peace.
 
They just can't get the story straight....... Hmmm?..............Wow the dead dude got his own fact page already.....................Hmmmm, imgine.

Devin Kelley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
_https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
Kevin P. Kelley, who was court-martialed by the U.S. Air Force for assaulting his wife and child, was identified as the black-clad and military-rifle wielding gunman who walked into the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday morning and slaughtered at least 26 people in the tiny, rural community near San Antonio.

The shooter was identified by multiple media outlets as Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, of New Braunfels, Texas whose Air Force court martial occurred only three years ago. He was also a licensed security guard for a prominent waterpark. The motive was not yet clear; the gunman’s background includes Bible school teaching, but he also liked Facebook pages devoted to atheism. The shooter, who is dead, left behind disturbing social media posts, including a Facebook page that showed off a rifle, calling it a “bad b*tch.” (You can see the photo later in this story.) He lived on a rural property near his parents in what KSAT-TV dubbed a “barndominium” (Those are affordable metal buildings converted into living quarters).

_http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/The-Latest-Sheriff-says-church-shooter-has-been-12333560.php#item-39786
An Air Force official says the man identified by officials to The Associated Press as the gunman in the mass shooting at a Texas church was court-martialed in 2012 and discharged two years later.

Spokeswoman Ann Stefanek says Devin P. Kelley was court-martialed on one count of assault on his spouse and another count of assault on their child. He received a bad conduct discharge, 12 months' confinement and a reduction in rank.

He says "It was someone using automatic weapon fire."

Stefanek also says Kelley served in Logistics Readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his discharge.

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_http://www.smobserved.com/story/2017/11/05/news/islamic-convert-is-shooter-in-church-shooting-in-sutherland-he-left-online-manifesto/3188.html

Wow bump stock...and a manifesto....... Imagine that.

Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. He received a dishonorable … http://sumo.ly/ICpU via @breaking911
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