Silence and solitude

[anart]

Shouldn't we help other's towards their enlightment and in turn receive more light ourselves after we have reached a point where our destiny sees fit.

Determining the needs of another is not STO - it is STS.

 

[Crystla24]

Shouldn't we help other's towards their enlightment and in turn receive more light ourselves after we have reached a point where our destiny sees fit.

Determining the needs of another is not STO - it is STS.

Haven't the Cassiopaeans even said theirselves that at their 6th density selves, the way that they help us reach enlightment furthers theirs, and even their own actions are in a sense/form of STS, 'cause you know the light reflects back to you in the end.

 

[Al Today]

Shouldn't we help other's towards their enlightment and in turn receive more light ourselves after we have reached a point where our destiny sees fit.

Determining the needs of another is not STO - it is STS.

Haven't the Cassiopaeans even said theirselves that at their 6th density selves, the way that they help us reach enlightment furthers theirs, and even their own actions are in a sense/form of STS, 'cause you know the light reflects back to you in the end.

In being a Free Will Universe, we all must choose for ourselves. Methinks we all have our unique lessons to learn here. I do not know what my lessons to learn indeed are, and I doubt if you could tell me. Therefor, we should not influence someone's choice that would stop someone from learning what is for them to be learned. One must ask for help. And even here it get's tricky. Sometimes someone asks for an easy answer, skipping the effort of true learning. Think of cheating on a test in school.

Perhaps searching for topics of Free Will may be of benefit in understanding this concept?

edit: BTW, the Cassiopaeans have said numerous times: "There is No Free Lunch".

 

[Nienna]

Crystal24, when I give love, I expect love and I'm afraid I will continue this way; But I do not expect love as a payment you see? I expect it just because use to happen, love comes when you give it.
And that's what I'm doing right know, returning a little love because I received a little love in your "fast" message.

No matter how you slice it, when you give with an expectation of receiving in return, you are not really giving, you are only doing it for a payment, which is STS.

True giving is giving without any expectation or anticipation of a return. And giving without being asked is also only doing it to make yourself "feel good." STO only gives when asked. Something that takes a lot of work to actually be able to see, because sometimes when someone asks, that isn't what they are really doing.

Also, having a closed mind, thinking that you already "know" is a dangerous thing. Once we truly know, we know that we know nothing.

 

[Nienna]

Shouldn't we help other's towards their enlightment and in turn receive more light ourselves after we have reached a point where our destiny sees fit.

Determining the needs of another is not STO - it is STS.

Haven't the Cassiopaeans even said theirselves that at their 6th density selves, the way that they help us reach enlightment furthers theirs, and even their own actions are in a sense/form of STS, 'cause you know the light reflects back to you in the end.

The Cassiopaeans said that they serve others to serve themselves, they are balance. BUT they never give unlessed asked. And that is the crucial thing here. They only give when it is a "real" asking involved. They don't spread their light, as you call it, to just anybody just to get something back. They NEVER do this. They only get something back when it is unexpected. They are never looking for a return.

Also, what do you mean by the term "enlightenment?"

 

[Aiming]

Shouldn't we help other's towards their enlightment and in turn receive more light ourselves after we have reached a point where our destiny sees fit.

Determining the needs of another is not STO - it is STS.

Haven't the Cassiopaeans even said theirselves that at their 6th density selves, the way that they help us reach enlightment furthers theirs, and even their own actions are in a sense/form of STS, 'cause you know the light reflects back to you in the end.

In being a Free Will Universe, we all must choose for ourselves. Methinks we all have our unique lessons to learn here. I do not know what my lessons to learn indeed are, and I doubt if you could tell me. Therefor, we should not influence someone's choice that would stop someone from learning what is for them to be learned. One must ask for help. And even here it get's tricky. Sometimes someone asks for an easy answer, skipping the effort of true learning. Think of cheating on a test in school.

Perhaps searching for topics of Free Will may be of benefit in understanding this concept?

edit: BTW, the Cassiopaeans have said numerous times: "There is No Free Lunch".

As the others have pointed out, there's no way of knowing what another's lesson is and by assuming the other's lesson might be 'x' or 'y' and acting upon that via e.g. 'helping them', one is essentially determining another's lesson, which is STS. Have a look here: All To Those Who Ask.

Surely, there is the asking for help, but as Al said, it's tricky to determine whether it's true asking or manipulation. So the first step is to figure out our 3D level, which is full of manipulation to decipher, before taking 6D as a comparison. Especially considering the fact that before we can truly help another, we need to have worked on ourselves to an extent that even qualifies us for that.

Edit: Maybe have a look here, too: Enlightenment.

 

[Crystla24]

I am using the term enlightenment in the context of "gaining more light". If I am way off of the definition, I don't mean to show ignorance, but it is the best way for me to explain the "gaining of light". Ultamatley, being truly enlightened as if refering to the top or end of learning, that would be 7th density returning to "the one" everystep cloer we get we are becoming more more enlightened and getting closer to the ultamate source. In no way, do I imply that I am all knowing of anything. I do know I have become a master of "some" on a much smaller scale than being anywhere close to the top of enlightenment; I more than acknowledge this. I do not force my help to anyone, I do not shine my light to the world, as I said it resides within myself, and I will help anyone who wants to learn to recieve own, or leave them be if they do not. :D I will not send you any positivity, 'cause it would in turn be vengeful in knowing it would make you angry; but I am smiling inside I feel, i feel no hostility what-so-ever. I am learning now, I am always learning; just not in a literal extreme, but a balanced one.

 

[Al Today]

[...] In no way, do I imply that I am all knowing of anything. I do know I have become a master of "some" on a much smaller scale
than being anywhere close to the top of enlightenment; I more than acknowledge this. [...]

Why would you state that you do not "imply that I am all knowing of anything" and then state you "do know"?

When you say ( master of "some"), "some" is what? Knowledge? If so, my I ask where you obtained this "knowledge"?

 

[efeuvete]

No matter how you slice it, when you give with an expectation of receiving in return, you are not really giving, you are only doing it for a payment, which is STS.

Nienna Eluch,

I expect love from the very day I was born and still do, and I believe dreaming of love is the reason why I do all that I do in my life.
To me, that does not sound "very STS" considering that I feel it in 3D. Maybe some "D's above" things are different but, real love is so rare down here were we live, that I can´t breathe very well.


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[anart]

Shouldn't we help other's towards their enlightment and in turn receive more light ourselves after we have reached a point where our destiny sees fit.

Determining the needs of another is not STO - it is STS.

Haven't the Cassiopaeans even said theirselves that at their 6th density selves, the way that they help us reach enlightment furthers theirs, and even their own actions are in a sense/form of STS, 'cause you know the light reflects back to you in the end.

Not quite. They said that STO serves the self by serving others. They are describing their 6D STO existence. We are not 6D and we are certainly not STO, therefore, to apply that to yourself and your actions/motivations is erroneous. It is simply not how it works here on 3D planet Earth in the early 21st century, to my understanding. The most a 3D STS entity (which is what we are) can do at this point in 'time' is to work to become an STO candidate - and part of that is learning to discern the difference between what we think we're doing (or want to be doing) and what we actually ARE doing. It is a deeply complex topic, since the very fact that you 'want' to help him means it is STS. The fact that it makes you 'feel good' to think you are helping others means it is STS - you are serving yourself. When I say 'determining the needs of another is STS' that is a direct quote from the C's, in which they are trying to make it clear that it's not up to us to determine what another person needs to learn/be/think/do/experience - on any level in any way - even when we think the person in question is suffering, because to do so is a violation of Free Will and their lesson plan that is AS THEY CHOOSE. Now - if sincerely asked, one can assist as they are able, but this brings up the whole topic of asking versus demanding where, again, discernment comes into play. It is a matter of extreme subtlety and discernment. The key is 'Know Thyself' and all that entails, including 'karmic and simple understandings'. When life and all one's thoughts, actions and experiences are viewed through this lens, it's easy to see how 'all here is is lessons'.

The C's also said:

It is all based on choice. Therefore it is not possible for you to interfere with another's choice to acquire knowledge or not and how it is or is not done. There is no need to try to alter another's perceptions because that would be to interfere with free will. If one chooses to be obsessed rather than to be illumined, that is their choice!

: Please understand, we are not here to lead you by the hand, because, that would interfere with your free will, which is how you learn, which is how you progress.

I'm not sure that this really answers your questions, but if you've not yet finished reading the Wave Series, it will go a long way toward clarifying things, I think.

 

[anart]

No matter how you slice it, when you give with an expectation of receiving in return, you are not really giving, you are only doing it for a payment, which is STS.

Nienna Eluch,

I expect love from the very day I was born and still do, and I believe dreaming of love is the reason why I do all that I do in my life.
To me, that does not sound "very STS" considering that I feel it in 3D. Maybe some "D's above" things are different but, real love is so rare down here were we live, that I can´t breathe very well.


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Hi efeuvete,

I think we may be running into language barrier issues, because some of what you are writing is not making very much sense. It is important to remember that as a human being living on planet Earth right now, you are an STS being. Everything you do and think is STS - it can be no other way at this point in 'time'. Have you read the Wave Series?

 

[Crystla24]

so now we are getting deep here, it would be hard to say where I aquired my knowlege without writing the book of my life. But let me think...okay so I see qoutes here and there about needing help of a higher source because without it we can not see on a a higher "plane/"density". But "there is no free lunch". Well, this world has eaten me alive (figuratively speaking), chewed me up spit me out stomped all over me. Eventually it quits "killing you" when you realize that they are all lessons and pick up on the universal vibrations pointing in the right directions. I began analysing everything in my life and testing fate/karma to see what actions got which reactions, the Cassiopaeans re-itterate everything that I have found to be true and surpassed, some info they have is truly helpful and inspiring at which point I am now. When you are going against the universe it gets very, very tough out there, and once you find the right ways you start steering and avoiding all the pot holes. Learning to drive "can be fun". Helping someone can who wants to recieve it and is ready for can help them not get beaten by fate, there is still no free lunch, 'cause even if I point them in the right direction it will be there choice to practice it and learn when testing it to fate/God/the universe (they are one in the same). Maybe they needed some insight or a "hint" as to which direction to start once they have reached a point of SILENCE AND SOLITUDE and maybe fate brought me here at this very moment to this person so show him which way next, who is to interfere with that, with God. Maybe when some of you point me toward articles of which you've judged could benefit me, you were STS, or maybe fate brought you here to teach me as well. And I have learned :D and I am grateful. It was my choice to try to learn from you all or get frustrated and ignore it, but I am learning from you. So, the question is--> was Efeuvete asking for help. Was I asking for help? I am asking for help because I am here :D

 

[Crystla24]

I am putting "simple Karmic lessons" to the test and seeing which results the universe feeds back to me. If we are in search of the truth, I don't know any better then the universe and karma "conforming" to you in return for having figured out and paracticed the truth.

 

[anart]

so now we are getting deep here, it would be hard to say where I aquired my knowlege without writing the book of my life. But let me think...okay so I see qoutes here and there about needing help of a higher source because without it we can not see on a a higher "plane/"density". But "there is no free lunch". Well, this world has eaten me alive (figuratively speaking), chewed me up spit me out stomped all over me. Eventually it quits "killing you" when you realize that they are all lessons and pick up on the universal vibrations pointing in the right directions. I began analysing everything in my life and testing fate/karma to see what actions got which reactions, the Cassiopaeans re-itterate everything that I have found to be true and surpassed, some info they have is truly helpful and inspiring at which point I am now. When you are going against the universe it gets very, very tough out there, and once you find the right ways you start steering and avoiding all the pot holes. Learning to drive "can be fun". Helping someone can who wants to recieve it and is ready for can help them not get beaten by fate, there is still no free lunch, 'cause even if I point them in the right direction it will be there choice to practice it and learn when testing it to fate/God/the universe (they are one in the same). Maybe they needed some insight or a "hint" as to which direction to start once they have reached a point of SILENCE AND SOLITUDE and maybe fate brought me here at this very moment to this person so show him which way next, who is to interfere with that, with God. Maybe when some of you point me toward articles of which you've judged could benefit me, you were STS, or maybe fate brought you here to teach me as well. And I have learned :D and I am grateful. It was my choice to try to learn from you all or get frustrated and ignore it, but I am learning from you. So, the question is--> was Efeuvete asking for help. Was I asking for help? I am asking for help because I am here :D

You seem to be taking this conversation personally, as if you're being judged when that is not what is occurring - at all. This is identification on your part, as if what you have written IS you - it's not - it's what you have written. What I do find concerning about what you've written above is this:

Helping someone can who wants to recieve it and is ready for can help them not get beaten by fate, there is still no free lunch, 'cause even if I point them in the right direction it will be there choice to practice it and learn when testing it to fate/God/the universe (they are one in the same). Maybe they needed some insight or a "hint" as to which direction to start once they have reached a point of SILENCE AND SOLITUDE and maybe fate brought me here at this very moment to this person so show him which way next, who is to interfere with that, with God.

What if you're wrong? What if your hint just sends them deeper into a dream or darkness? What if it feeds them and keeps them in a destructive pattern? What if it merely feeds your own self-importance and does nothing at all for them? You don't seem to question your understanding or that what you do or say might have the opposite effect of what you think. This is concerning.

These considerations should, at the very least, be a concern for anyone who would like to help others along the way.

 

[efeuvete]

Anart, no; I've only read Wave One but all that I read I do it trying to understand better what I am. And what I've said is the best I know today what I am.
Crystla24, I asked for company which, somehow, is a form of help.