Silence and solitude

[anart]

I am putting "simple Karmic lessons" to the test and seeing which results the universe feeds back to me. If we are in search of the truth, I don't know any better then the universe and karma "conforming" to you in return for having figured out and paracticed the truth.

It is my sincere understanding that the Universe does not 'conform' to you - this sounds like a 'you create your own reality' idea. In fact, no one wins a staring contest with the Universe. One can strive to align with the Creative aspect of the Universe through objective truth and understanding - that is approaching 'God', to me - but to drag God down to Earth by expecting it to 'conform' to you is pure entropy. Perhaps I've misunderstood your meaning with the above, however... ( I hope I have. )

 

[anart]

Anart, no; I've only read Wave One but all that I read I do it trying to understand better what I am. And what I've said is the best I know today what I am.

Okay, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

Crystla24, I asked for company which, somehow, is a form of help.

The entire forum is here for company, efeuvete, so perhaps as you read more and learn more, that will become more obvious.

 

[Al Today]

[...] Maybe when some of you point me toward articles of which you've judged could benefit me, you were STS, [...]

Touche. Yup, offering you links to information could be STS, based to the givers intent. There re lot's of obstacles on our paths to navigate. So many pieces to this puzzle and variables to an equation. I really don't know the answers, but 'tis interesting experience to inquire of others nature. And we are here to help each other. Problem has been for me, learning can be quite painful when lies are discovered.

 

[anart]

[...] Maybe when some of you point me toward articles of which you've judged could benefit me, you were STS, [...]

Touche. Yup, offering you links to information could be STS, based to the givers intent. There re lot's of obstacles on our paths to navigate. So many pieces to this puzzle and variables to an equation. I really don't know the answers, but 'tis interesting experience to inquire of others nature. And we are here to help each other. Problem has been for me, learning can be quite painful when lies are discovered.

Well, as always, the devil is in the details. First of all, this forum serves a very particular purpose and with new members of this forum, older members are eager and willing to guide newer members to information that they are requesting, either specifically, or through their behavior. If Crystla24 has read the forum guidelines thoroughly, then she should understand that. Her comment above is a swipe, not a sincere comment, so I'd not call it a 'touche' so much as a swat on the back.

 

[Aiming]

[...] Maybe when some of you point me toward articles of which you've judged could benefit me, you were STS, [...]

Touche. Yup, offering you links to information could be STS, based to the givers intent.

Hm, I don't know, Al.. could be misreading you, but I don't think her argument is a 'touché'. The way I see it, when we offer links to read, it is based on what we read could benefit a person based on the knowledge/research base of this community - it is then still up to the person to either read those links or not and also what the person makes of them. And it's not like one is linking to articles saying 'here, this is the truth, this is the right thing for your further way'; I think it's all in the context of the 'material' this community is based on.

Edit: Thanks Anart, your post is making this clear.

 

[Al Today]

Yep, sometimes, ?most times?, my reading abilities are too shallow. I've never been very good at reading between the lines. I don't know how to beat this one. Poetry for example, I hardly ever understand what the underlying meanings are, can be. Makes me an easy target, or a gullible sap I guess. Perhaps a Be Nice program? I'm not sure but getting better though, I think.

 

[efeuvete]

Hi :)

Have either of you have had a chance to look through the materials on cassiopaea.org and http://cassiopedia.org/? Since you are both thinking about silence and solitude, an entry from cassiopedia.org on the concept of a Strategic Enclosure might be of interest to you.

Seamas, I've read your post now.
Good thing, useful to me now,
Thanks.

 

[Crystla24]

I really was not trying to make "a swipe" sincereley. I thought I would relate how you are helping to how I am, my paragraph in a whole was directed toward looking into yourselves for the truth, any help i thought i was offering/ or maybe hurting is directly related toward the materials you give to others. I am not and have not been offended at any point in this conversation. I think that it is very productive learning from each other, as long as particapants are willing. Much of our reading materials are just a point of view from another human being, who is to say they are any more correct than what i have suffered to learn. No one has to listen to me or believe/doubt me. It I have gotten you to think, than you are learning something now right It IS all lessons, everything, let us be here to learn from each other! If these materials were all wrapped up in a nice neat package to take us to the next density we would be there already! There is much to tlearn from each other as well, which I feel would be a wonderful base for this forum, but if i am wrong I will find out for myself and thus "learn" something else :D

 

[ana]

I really was not trying to make "a swipe" sincereley. I thought I would relate how you are helping to how I am, my paragraph in a whole was directed toward looking into yourselves for the truth, any help i thought i was offering/ or maybe hurting is directly related toward the materials you give to others. I am not and have not been offended at any point in this conversation. I think that it is very productive learning from each other, as long as particapants are willing. Much of our reading materials are just a point of view from another human being, who is to say they are any more correct than what i have suffered to learn. No one has to listen to me or believe/doubt me. It I have gotten you to think, than you are learning something now right It IS all lessons, everything, let us be here to learn from each other! If these materials were all wrapped up in a nice neat package to take us to the next density we would be there already! There is much to tlearn from each other as well, which I feel would be a wonderful base for this forum, but if i am wrong I will find out for myself and thus "learn" something else :D

Crystla24, this is a research forum with specific guidelines and a necessary material to be read (wich is usually presented in the welcome messages to new members)

When we present someone available info it is in order to make the communication and interaction in the forum easier and effective, it can of course be declined in wich case one asks why are you here then?

 

[Crystla24]

Okay then, I will put myself into quarantine and read materials. In the mean time anyone who would like to have productive debates or teach me something or ask for my help; I will be in my Silence and Solitude pondering away as usual. And you can let me out when I am deemed to not be an ifectious disease on the Cassiopaean community ;) My perspective is from here on out only for those who "ask" for it, and I will continue reading the perspective of others to learn something ;D Thank you everyone for your own perspecives, they will be with me. I have yet to have a hard feeling but I will stop now, 'cause I really do not wish to end up getting banned.

 

[anart]

Okay then, I will put myself into quarantine and read materials. In the mean time anyone who would like to have productive debates or teach me something or ask for my help; I will be in my Silence and Solitude pondering away as usual. And you can let me out when I am deemed to not be an ifectious disease on the Cassiopaean community ;) My perspective is from here on out only for those who "ask" for it, and I will continue reading the perspective of others to learn something ;D Thank you everyone for your own perspecives, they will be with me. I have yet to have a hard feeling but I will stop now, 'cause I really do not wish to end up getting banned.

That's not really necessary and, to my knowledge, it wasn't even suggested. All that is required here is a sincere willingness to learn and listen to the input others offer, especially when the initial internal reaction is 'that doesn't apply to me'. Feel free to continue posting, and realize that receiving input is part of the process. Also realize that, for the most part, the input offered on this forum is the direct result of years and years of study, experience and networking - it's not just thrown out there for no reason.

 

[Crystla24]

Anart, I respect that and I realize there can be mass disinformation spread also. Honestly, I am reacting on alot of human emotion right now (all positive!) And I am having a good time and throwing some sense of humor out there. Seriously, I to reflect on alot. Going back to my silence and solitude will helping further anaylze what ever it is that I am on to

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I am putting "simple Karmic lessons" to the test and seeing which results the universe feeds back to me. If we are in search of the truth, I don't know any better then the universe and karma "conforming" to you in return for having figured out and paracticed the truth.

It is my sincere understanding that the Universe does not 'conform' to you - this sounds like a 'you create your own reality' idea. In fact, no one wins a staring contest with the Universe. One can strive to align with the Creative aspect of the Universe through objective truth and understanding - that is approaching 'God', to me - but to drag God down to Earth by expecting it to 'conform' to you is pure entropy. Perhaps I've misunderstood your meaning with the above, however... ( I hope I have. )

The thing is, I do not think that I have "outsmarted" fate, or won against my lessons. I have been very excited, these hard lessons we go through are hard to point us in the right direction, I have been learning the way of it. While I am following the right path, I still see bad things happening and I have been so maliciously attacked, and when I follow what I have learned I am ,my qoute" walking through fires, unscathed", I believe I am on track to where I am heading (where ever that is :) and my karmic rules are showing me i am living right. It has been exciting for me, 'cause I just broke through some level of conciousness or unconciousness for that matter. What ever it is I am experiencing I do not plan on "brushing it away" there is something here I am seriously onto, and I have a feeling it may be this "frequency" you all are speaking of. For whatever matter, not only do I plan on practicing my newly learned lessons,but I do still need to seriously reflect on myself in the meantime. Haha, my last qoute (hard to percieve through type) I was kinda being serious in a, but I'm going to leave you thinking sort of way. Anyway, instead of rambling on and on, I think I will carefully plot to write something absoluteley genius with clever analogies and philosophical qoutes from "trusted" sources; that way when someone does choose to read it, it won't sound like I'm crazy trying to explain through unorganized questions ;) whew this iswhy I sought out this place; it was hard to hold in my exciting breakthrough; now i have vented and will get back to work meditating ;) sorry for all the disruption and commotion, If I may ask for help, more perspective on what I am going through may help me see a whole nether level or prove me skitsophrenic :D Keep up the good work!

 

[Seamus]

Hi :)

Have either of you have had a chance to look through the materials on cassiopaea.org and http://cassiopedia.org/? Since you are both thinking about silence and solitude, an entry from cassiopedia.org on the concept of a Strategic Enclosure might be of interest to you.

Seamas, I've read your post now.
Good thing, useful to me now,
Thanks.

Great! Even though they are short, I think I learn something new every time I read those definitions. Do you have any questions or thoughts about what you read? Not that I have any answers, just to foster discussion.

 

[efeuvete]

Great! Even though they are short, I think I learn something new every time I read those definitions. Do you have any questions or thoughts about what you read? Not that I have any answers, just to foster discussion.

Great for me too, Seamas. So let's try:

First of all, I use to be as simple and synthetic (And slow) as I can on these matters, and my poor English will help me a lot now to continue this way. So, please note this in our future messages.

Then, I'll go back to my silence and solitude and how the texts you show me make me think.

Regarding the "Strategic enclosure"

I've never thought that what I do when trying to manage what a call "The dance of my thousand egos" would be someting like construsting a "shelter" but now I think it really is; In fact, I use to pray asking for a "place" where I can stay (Stand) while my egos dance and I do not want to follow that dance.
When I win (When I can stand it), the dancing ego talks, I listen, I confirm that there's always a reason for his dance but I confirm too, that the dance is not "The solution"; Then, The ego looses his monster face and goes out (Sadly, to look for another musics, and turn back again)
When I loose, I dance.

Regarding the "External consideration"

Being a synthetic mind, I use to spoil the communication with the people I love because when I believe I must synthesize what a think of any relevant issue, I produce something like "Verbal Missiles" more or less accurate, but which only gets me surprised (Even, somehow angry) eyes from the other side.
Not to say the sweet amount of problems I've had when my "Verbal Missiles" had targeted some "Nice reptilian" here and there.
So, again it looks like if I need an "Strategic enclosure" at least to get me time enough to prepare a "decent translation" of my point of view to the point of view of the other side.

Up to now, my best technique is "Stop, Breathe and Pray" but I'm starting to consider if it is possible to construct my "Strategic enclosure" when I'm not in the Dance of the Egos nor in conversation; Something like building me a rocket and see if it can take me some day "To the infinity... And beyond"

So, let's continue to live...

 

[stellar]

[...] Maybe when some of you point me toward articles of which you've judged could benefit me, you were STS, [...]

Touche. Yup, offering you links to information could be STS, based to the givers intent.

Hm, I don't know, Al.. could be misreading you, but I don't think her argument is a 'touché'. The way I see it, when we offer links to read, it is based on what we read could benefit a person based on the knowledge/research base of this community - it is then still up to the person to either read those links or not and also what the person makes of them. And it's not like one is linking to articles saying 'here, this is the truth, this is the right thing for your further way'; I think it's all in the context of the 'material' this community is based on.

Edit: Thanks Anart, your post is making this clear.

I agree. The links are generally information that, I think, we collectively resonate with and find helpful for further development of self and fellowship alike in the form of discussions and further research and experimentation.That's how I see it, as Working toward BECOMING STO.