Sott 'American Exceptionalism'

[Ruth]

What bothers me is ...it's propaganda. Spin., etc. It's the same thing as the enemy does to make their point. I don't really care that I'm an american. Frankly, I don't see any other place that's a whole lot better off. You can't fight brainwashing with the same. That's what I don't like. If you don't see it as such, I respect that. I'm not angry, just suprised.

Actually, it is supposed to be funny. Heaven knows we don't get enough humour about the 'serious' subjects. So, are comedians now the enemy? Now THATs a scary thought! I think they do a really good job at poking fun at people.
http://www.cnnnn.com/

Perhaps Americans aren't used to seeing the funny side of things?

 

[domi]

This video reminds me of a joke:

Q: Why do they call the Mid West the heart land?
A: Because the brain is not there.

 

[Azur]

Croc,

As I see it, you have the look of someone who is in the full throws of having realized the terror of the situation, and is screaming to go back to sleep, to find any excuse to "make it smell nice, taste like vanilla, with a down comforter", just make it go back. I can fully sympathize, as many before you can.

Ignorance is bliss, for sure, but there is no movement there. You've self-selected to see, and here you are.


You can surely go back, try to swallow that "blue pill" and try to self-medicate in thoughts, masking social rituals (with parents, friends, etc), or find anchors (buffers) in any little thing that will distract you from what you have seen.


These will work after a fashion, but you will always have the presence of a new and barbed rock in your shoe, it will be disquieting. You'll know, feel, and might even dream about it: it will become Damocles's sword in your own personal World, despite your efforts.

I may have misread you here, but if I haven't, I can only say it won't be comfortable, but there is some comfort in knowing that a few others have gone there before, and invariably, they share and lend a hand.

Cheers.

 

[mattersnot]

This appears to be an older thread so I don't know how much attention it will receive.

That being said.......

Croc,

As I see it, you have the look of someone who is in the full throws of having realized the terror of the situation, and is screaming to go back to sleep, to find any excuse to "make it smell nice, taste like vanilla, with a down comforter", just make it go back. I can fully sympathize, as many before you can.

Ignorance is bliss, for sure, but there is no movement there. You've self-selected to see, and here you are.

I am a bit sick and tired of people bashing Americans. I am sure people of other nations are equally sick and tired of having America's policies directly affecting their lives. I think we are in agreement so far.

What I find somewhat insulting is the constant "stupid americans" comments and the like. I would agree that, on average, the american is not as sophisticated as, let's say, an Austrian or an Englishman. Does this mean that the English are not part of the "Axis of Evil"? What does that say about the English? They are so smart, yet they have been caught in the same trap. IS the vast majority against Blair's policies? Sure. Isn't that true in America as well though?

What does this say about the rest of Europe that has been consistently raped of its freedoms by buying into an idea that the EU will "balance out" the world and perhaps become the next superpower.

You get my point I believe..........

Folks, I happen to live in America. I do not run America's foreign policy and I think any and all governments should be extremely limited in their powers. So, to all those that are more sophisticated and smarter than I simply because they live outside of the US, I would say the following:

Find a solution for us and let us stupid Americans wander around aimlessly.

Thank you.

 

[Beau]

It sounds like you (mattersnot) are at least a little identified with your nation of heritage. But I think you are, by pointing out the misgivings of other countries around the world, missing the point. The reason that their is much focus on 'American Exceptionalism' is because of its stature in the world and in global politics. It holds the fate of the world in the palm of its hands. Their is a reason the PTB have gone to great lengths to control the opinions/thoughts of the American public, much more than the other countries of the world.

This is not about feeling better or more sophisticated than the people who live in America. It's about waking up a sleeping populace that is allowing it's country to be turned into an evil which could potentially destroy us all. Maybe by seeing how uninformed and asleep their fellow citizens are one will decide to smarten up themselves. Then from one to ten, and from ten to twenty, etc...

 

[mattersnot]

It sounds like you (mattersnot) are at least a little identified with your nation of heritage. But I think you are, by pointing out the misgivings of other countries around the world, missing the point. The reason that their is much focus on 'American Exceptionalism' is because of its stature in the world and in global politics. It holds the fate of the world in the palm of its hands. Their is a reason the PTB have gone to great lengths to control the opinions/thoughts of the American public, much more than the other countries of the world.

This is not about feeling better or more sophisticated than the people who live in America. It's about waking up a sleeping populace that is allowing it's country to be turned into an evil which could potentially destroy us all. Maybe by seeing how uninformed and asleep their fellow citizens are one will decide to smarten up themselves. Then from one to ten, and from ten to twenty, etc...

My whole point is that while they are so busy calling us STUPID AMERICANS it is happening to them as well.
They think Americans are so goofy and that they are so superior that they can "control" the situation.
This attitude is utter hogwash. They know the danger exists and is spreading (if it has not spread all over already)
yet they seek to enlighten the Americans by constantly criticizing and calling them stupid? Are they assigning us a task or something? I don't follow.

In order to have millions of supporters all a politician has to do in Europe is speak out against the US. This is healthy? They are being led to the slaughterhouse with these stupid ideas and remarks.

Besides, I am not necessarily encouraged when someone calls me stupid. Furthermore, it is stupid to call Americans on this site stupid. They have come here for a reason. That means they see what it going on (to a certain and varying degrees).

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

 

[Beau]

Furthermore, it is stupid to call Americans on this site stupid. They have come here for a reason. That means they see what it going on (to a certain and varying degrees).

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

When did anyone say Americans are stupid on this thread? Not that the line would be completely wrong (it wouldn't be wrong in a lot of cases), but I didn't see it.

It doesn't matter if you are American or Tazmanian. You could still feel strongly about where you live.

 

[anart]

My whole point is that while they are so busy calling us STUPID AMERICANS it is happening to them as well.
They think Americans are so goofy and that they are so superior that they can "control" the situation.
This attitude is utter hogwash. They know the danger exists and is spreading (if it has not spread all over already)
yet they seek to enlighten the Americans by constantly criticizing and calling them stupid? Are they assigning us a task or something? I don't follow. In order to have millions of supporters all a politician has to do in Europe is speak out against the US. This is healthy? They are being led to the slaughterhouse with these stupid ideas and remarks.

I'm not sure what you don't follow, but I agree that the hypnotism, apathy, sleep and ignorance that has allowed the current pathocratic regimes to run roughshod over the planet is not limited to American or any one country. However, Beau's point is a good one.

Besides, I am not necessarily encouraged when someone calls me stupid. Furthermore, it is stupid to call Americans on this site stupid. They have come here for a reason. That means they see what it going on (to a certain and varying degrees).

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

Well, I am an American - and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the majority of Americans can correctly be defined by 'stupid' - and that is by DESIGN. There has been a documented, deliberate dumbing down of the american populace so that what is happening right now would be easier for those in control.

I admit to some confusion about the offense you are taking at this - you say you are not an American - so that makes no sense. Also, the readers of this site, and most alternative news sites, are an astonishingly small minority of the American public, so again, I am a bit confused about why speaking the objective truth bothers you so much.

Most Americans are uneducated, ignorant, apathetic, chemically 'altered' by the food, drink and air they breathe and so self-involved that they truly - truly - will not believe that what is going on right now will affect them personally. And, guess what - the vast majority of every single nation on this planet is EXACTLY the same way - but America holds the biggest gun and has it's sweaty, bloody finger on the trigger - so - it gets the brunt of the examination - just like the Germans did in WWII.

You are 'someone living in the U.S.' who says they are not an American - so I still don't get why you take this so personally.

 

[Mike]

Find a solution for us and let us stupid Americans wander around aimlessly.

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

The first quote implies that you are an American.

 

[Beau]

Find a solution for us and let us stupid Americans wander around aimlessly.

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

The first quote implies that you are an American.

Thanks for pointing that out. Mattersnot, you did lead us to believe one thing (you're an american) and then turned around and claimed quite another when it suited you. Was this a conscious attempt at manipulation?

 

[kenlee]

My whole point is that while they are so busy calling us STUPID AMERICANS it is happening to them as well.
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There's a guy I work with who always makes excuses for America by saying that no matter how bad things are in America we still have it better then the rest of the world. In the meantime things keep getting worse.

I'd say that Americans are more narcissistic then stupid which means that they are VERY narcissistic. In short, they don't care. But don't call an American stupid. No, No, No, don't do that. Then they will care and get very angry at you only because they are so narcissistic.

 

[Nienna]

Besides, I am not necessarily encouraged when someone calls me stupid. Furthermore, it is stupid to call Americans on this site stupid. They have come here for a reason. That means they see what it going on (to a certain and varying degrees).

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

First of all, I too, am an American. And I have to agree with every person or country that says Americans are stupid. If you don't thing so, look at our education system. We have a lot of kids graduating high school who can't read or write, let alone do simple math without the aide of a computer. Seems pretty stupid to me. And it is not a coincidence that it is this way. The PTB want us this way. If we become too smart, we would be able to figure out just how 'stupid' our government is and we would start changing things so that we wouldn't be so stupid.

The PTB have made sure that a vast number of American youths are underachievers. Not all of them mind you, but too many.

Second, why are you taking the comments so personally? You end up saying that you are not even American. This whole post of yours is very confusing. Almost like you are just marching right into our nice little place here and wanting to start up a fight.

You either have had some major button pushing going on with you. OR you want to push some buttons yourself.

What's the deal?

 

[mattersnot]

Find a solution for us and let us stupid Americans wander around aimlessly.

I happen to live in the US. I didn't say I was an American.

The first quote implies that you are an American.

Thanks for pointing that out. Mattersnot, you did lead us to believe one thing (you're an american) and then turned around and claimed quite another when it suited you. Was this a conscious attempt at manipulation?

Here is the TRUTH behind my "conscious attempt at manipulation" You uncovered a great conspiracy

I live in America for many years but I am of a European nationality. I visit Europe regularly and watch foreign channels on satellite TV. I see the same happening there. What took place in America 15-20 years ago is now happening there.

I wonder why whenever I post on this board, I get responses that make me go back and rewrite the same things I said in my previous posts. Either way ........

The overall point is that there is plenty of criticism of America and that is probably justified. I am not so certain
Americans can be looked "down upon" though. In my estimation their hard work and ingenuity have done miraculous things for the world. Even today, their hard work continues to fuel the economy that the "select few" have raped beyond repair. The fact that a few crazy people (select few) have done this to America on the backs of hardworking people is an outright insult. To constantly hear that they are stupid, lazy and goofy serves no purpose and adds insult to injury.

Asking someone to first look at himself in the mirror before criticizing others does not equate to "picking a fight"
as someone put it. I am not trying to pick a fight. I am saying that criticizing America provides temporary fulfillment and is an easy scapegoat. It doesn't help solve the problem developing in your country (whichever that may be) and it sure as heck doesn't help change anything in America.

The Brits had Blair, the Italians Berlusconi, the Turks live in a military dictatorship semi-disguised as a democracy and the Greeks (fathers of democracy) have basically had 2 families rule them for the past 30 years.
These are just a few examples of many more and I am sure that other posters on the board can offer similar examples in their own countries or those they are familiar with.

Does the US have more military and economic might than the nations I mentioned? Sure. Is it sickening that the
US started exporting this control on other people? Definitely.

I just don't see how criticizing a very hardworking people helps anything. Americans can't do anything about it.
They can't vote for anyone else other than those that they are spoon-fed. They won't rebel and I don't see anyone else rebelling anyway and the French are too busy voting themselves into disaster.

So please be a bit more forgiving of the American PEOPLE I repeat PEOPLE and not government. They are two different things. And just to make a point once again, please do not take comfort in simply saying Americans are stupid. I sense that those saying this feel as if the problem is "over there" and not here. I am saying it is "here" not matter where you are.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

The overall point is that there is plenty of criticism of America and that is probably justified. I am not so certain
Americans can be looked "down upon" though.

Well it's difficult to "look up to" an average American that's for sure. If you just look at intelligence, wouldn't the average European be looking down on the average American? We're not talking about subjective/illusory "worth" of a person in the sense of being "better" or "worse". We are talking about an objective quality - knowledge.

In my estimation their hard work and ingenuity have done miraculous things for the world. Even today, their hard work continues to fuel the economy that the "select few" have raped beyond repair.

Yeah, but you can say the same thing about slaves, or ants, or computers. What does hard work have to do with intelligence?

The fact that a few crazy people (select few) have done this to America on the backs of hardworking people is an outright insult. To constantly hear that they are stupid, lazy and goofy serves no purpose and adds insult to injury.

Telling the truth serves no purpose? Since when? The few psychopaths don't really do much directly, they make the other 94% do it for them. And just because they work hard does not make them smart - manual and mechanical labor doesn't take much creative or critical thought, but it is hard work. And when you say "ingenuity", how does that apply to the majority of Americans who are borderline retarded? A few smart people coming up with new technologies and creative ways of doing things, and then hiring a bunch of idiots to do the manual labor to make it happen is hardly a reflection of a nation's "ingenuity".

Asking someone to first look at himself in the mirror before criticizing others does not equate to "picking a fight"
as someone put it.

But using this logic nobody can ever be smarter than someone else. As soon as they think they are smarter than someone or that someone is stupid, they are told to look in the mirror. There seem to be 2 things wrong with this request. First, it assumes that the person doing the criticizing hasn't already looked in the mirror. Second, even if the person doing the criticizing has not looked in the mirror and just happens to be a hypocrite, it doesn't mean they are wrong about the person they are criticizing. Having said that, the whole point of this entire forum is to help us all to collectively look in the mirror and see ourselves as we really are. So if you think that whoever is calling Americans stupid is a hypocrite or is incorrect in their assessment, what evidence do you have for this? If none then why do you ask them to look in the mirror? What's the purpose of requesting a self-evaluation?

I am not trying to pick a fight. I am saying that criticizing America provides temporary fulfillment and is an easy scapegoat.

A scapegoat is defined as "someone punished for the errors of others". So you are saying that calling Americans stupid is not true, they're being incorrectly blamed for the true stupidity of somebody else? Ok, who? Besides, nobody's blaming America for all the world's problems. But that's no reason to deny America's contribution, which is eclipsing anybody else's right now. And again, America is just the focus point of psychopaths right now, being used as the main bringer of global domination and control. But imagine you're an evil genius and you find yourself the biggest strongest idiot in all the land, and use him to beat down on all the smaller, weaker idiots. Sure you're at the root of the issue, but that's no excuse to let the big strong idiot off the hook either. It's still his fault for being an idiot, and being assisted in the idiotism by the evil genius. And when somebody says he's an idiot, he can go cry and say "mommy that boy called me stupid!" etc, OR he can get really sick of being called an idiot and finally do something about it. And I don't mean kill all the people saying it either (so don't get any ideas America).

It doesn't help solve the problem developing in your country (whichever that may be) and it sure as heck doesn't help change anything in America.

Ok we're all collectively stupid that's true, the greatest minds of the planet have arrived at the great philosophical conclusion that we know nothing. But that means that Americans know less than nothing. I think it's relative - however stupid the world is, America represents the bottom of the barrel. So if the world is stupid, well America is stupid-er. :P

I just don't see how criticizing a very hardworking people helps anything.

It seems to me that you have a program running. Somehow, for you, the fact that Americans work hard eclipses the fact that they are stupid. These are not mutually exclusive! Maybe all that hard long-hour mechanical work is actually contributing to stupidity - all work and no play makes Americans a dull.. uh.. gang.

So please be a bit more forgiving of the American PEOPLE I repeat PEOPLE and not government.

But Americans can do something about it! They are the only ones who can! The French sure can't do it for them, nobody can. The government is a bunch of psychopaths, and nobody is saying the people are all psychopaths. But the people are allowing themselves to be controlled, they allow the government to get away with it all. The only way to change anything is to wake up the people, and the first and the most crucial step of waking up is realizing that you're asleep. And we're not confusing Americans and their government, but you have to acknowledge the roles each plays in the overall situation. A bunch of psychopaths are controlling a bunch of slumbering idiots. And you can't really blame the psychopaths for being psychopaths, cuz that's all they can possibly be. But the people do have a choice, they don't have to be stupid, they don't have to be controlled, they can choose not to be.

And I agree that the problem is everywhere. But let's not ignore the relativistic situation I mentioned above - if the problem is everywhere, then America is the ghengis kahn of the problem. If the whole world is a fruit basket, then Americans are the part that is short a few bananas, etc. :P

In other words, pathocracy is a global disease. All nations have succumbed, but not all to the same degree. Americans have been especially targeted. But psychopaths are not just "governments" they are more or less evenly distributed among all of Earth's population, heavily affecting the minds and lives of all people in the world just by their mere presence and way of being. But America is currently the biggest "strong-arm" due to its size and power. It is the focus, and it is doing the most damage in terms of its political war-games, and in terms of the damage done to Americans themselves by intensive stupidification program. So I agree with you, it's vital to acknowledge the full extent and the true nature of the situation, but it's just as vital to acknowledge which arm of the pathocracy is currently being used to do the most damage. Also, in order to help people learn about the pathocracy, we need examples. America is a perfect example, very easy to see (mostly for people outside America), and so to help understand the greater issue it helps to see the issue in action, and one of the easiest ways to see it in action right now is by looking at America - externally and internally.

 

[Ruth]

My whole point is that while they are so busy calling us STUPID AMERICANS it is happening to them as well.
They think Americans are so goofy and that they are so superior that they can "control" the situation.
This attitude is utter hogwash. They know the danger exists and is spreading (if it has not spread all over already)
yet they seek to enlighten the Americans by constantly criticizing and calling them stupid? Are they assigning us a task or something? I don't follow.

It seems to be a very human thing to 'believe only the best' in people, shove your head in the sand and ignore all those horrible things that are happening in the US and indeed all over the world. But it is also very stupid.

Americans are currently quite a good example of this. The vast majority are living a lie (create their own reality) and get really, really upset if someone gives them any ugly truth of any sort. Indeed people see this same sort of dynamic pretty much everywhere, even in their own families.

The fact that the majority of them either wish to do this, or have been 'brainwashed' into thinking that living a complete falsehood is 'good', should never stop any individual (where ever they come from) from trying to see the truth.

In order to have millions of supporters all a politician has to do in Europe is speak out against the US. This is healthy? They are being led to the slaughterhouse with these stupid ideas and remarks.

That is just another example of how a lie (apparently we are all supposed to be 'different' because we come from different countries) is used to falsely control people. The truth should be the only thing that matters, not how 'unpopular' it is. All of us 3rd density critters on this planet are in big, big trouble. Some individuals, however, wish to correct this. I think it is up to the individual to recognise how personally they end up identifying with some things that are said in order to stop reacting and to start seeing the truth. The truth is really the only thing of valuable to human beings, when you think about it. No matter how horrible it is.