Sott 'American Exceptionalism'

[Ruth]

In my estimation their hard work and ingenuity have done miraculous things for the world. Even today, their hard work continues to fuel the economy that the "select few" have raped beyond repair.

Yeah, but you can say the same thing about slaves, or ants, or computers. What does hard work have to do with intelligence?

Yeah, :) and often it is not the 'smartest' or hardest working or most intelligent people who have 'changed the world'.

So who gets to do that?

My guess is that it would have something to do with 'seeing' and flapping butterfly wings. Then things can sometimes change in the most extrodinary ways and only if a group or individual employes non-anticipation.

And what keeps people from doing that?

My guess is their programs which keep them from 'seeing'.

 

[Peto]

In my estimation their hard work and ingenuity have done miraculous things for the world.

Just to put credit where it is due. The technological miracles in America are pretty much created by ingenious people from other countries migrating to America. The migration first started due to historical conditions and then continued its momentum. So don't say Americans (or any other people for that matter) are ingenious. The distribution of the exceptionally intelligent among the population is nearly the same everywhere. What is true now, as other posters have noted, is that the Americans are more dumbed down than people elsewhere.

 

[mattersnot]

The overall point is that there is plenty of criticism of America and that is probably justified. I am not so certain
Americans can be looked "down upon" though.

Well it's difficult to "look up to" an average American that's for sure. If you just look at intelligence, wouldn't the average European be looking down on the average American? We're not talking about subjective/illusory "worth" of a person in the sense of being "better" or "worse". We are talking about an objective quality - knowledge.

This type of language and beliefs simply come from the the "Oh those stupid Americans" type thinking.
Two people with similar upbringing and levels of education would be quite similar. The fact that Americans
have had to face the systematic "dumbing down" is the reason this has happened.

In my estimation their hard work and ingenuity have done miraculous things for the world. Even today, their hard work continues to fuel the economy that the "select few" have raped beyond repair.

Yeah, but you can say the same thing about slaves, or ants, or computers. What does hard work have to do with intelligence?

Ok by the same token all Palestinians are stupid. Those poor people are trying to save their lives
and their land but because so many have died trying, they are stupid.
Your logic is flawed.

The fact that a few crazy people (select few) have done this to America on the backs of hardworking people is an outright insult. To constantly hear that they are stupid, lazy and goofy serves no purpose and adds insult to injury.

Telling the truth serves no purpose? Since when? The few psychopaths don't really do much directly, they make the other 94% do it for them. And just because they work hard does not make them smart - manual and mechanical labor doesn't take much creative or critical thought, but it is hard work. And when you say "ingenuity", how does that apply to the majority of Americans who are borderline retarded? A few smart people coming up with new technologies and creative ways of doing things, and then hiring a bunch of idiots to do the manual labor to make it happen is hardly a reflection of a nation's "ingenuity".

You have just called more than half of the world "a bunch of idiots".
So the nations that don't even have a few smart people coming up with new technologies and creative ways of doings things are inhabited only by idiots?

Asking someone to first look at himself in the mirror before criticizing others does not equate to "picking a fight"
as someone put it.

But using this logic nobody can ever be smarter than someone else. As soon as they think they are smarter than someone or that someone is stupid, they are told to look in the mirror. There seem to be 2 things wrong with this request. First, it assumes that the person doing the criticizing hasn't already looked in the mirror. Second, even if the person doing the criticizing has not looked in the mirror and just happens to be a hypocrite, it doesn't mean they are wrong about the person they are criticizing. Having said that, the whole point of this entire forum is to help us all to collectively look in the mirror and see ourselves as we really are. So if you think that whoever is calling Americans stupid is a hypocrite or is incorrect in their assessment, what evidence do you have for this? If none then why do you ask them to look in the mirror? What's the purpose of requesting a self-evaluation?

I have looked in the mirror. I see those calling Americans stupid not realizing that they are 2 steps away from becoming the same thing and not doing anything about it other than calling Americans stupid.

I am not trying to pick a fight. I am saying that criticizing America provides temporary fulfillment and is an easy scapegoat.

A scapegoat is defined as "someone punished for the errors of others". So you are saying that calling Americans stupid is not true, they're being incorrectly blamed for the true stupidity of somebody else? Ok, who? Besides, nobody's blaming America for all the world's problems. But that's no reason to deny America's contribution, which is eclipsing anybody else's right now. And again, America is just the focus point of psychopaths right now, being used as the main bringer of global domination and control.

You are correct about the word scapegoat and nobody is trying to discount the "contribution" I am trying to say that American "stupidity" is stupidly being used as a security blanket. We have passed that point. It is on your doorstep. How else can I say it? Your sentence.....

And again, America is just the focus point of psychopaths right now, being used as the main bringer of global domination and control.

basically says it all. This was my whole point to begin with. The "dumbing down police" is done with America (hopefully) and is now knocking on your door, wherever that may be. Finished with America or not, they are knocking on your door.

But imagine you're an evil genius and you find yourself the biggest strongest idiot in all the land, and use him to beat down on all the smaller, weaker idiots. Sure you're at the root of the issue, but that's no excuse to let the big strong idiot off the hook either. It's still his fault for being an idiot, and being assisted in the idiotism by the evil genius. And when somebody says he's an idiot, he can go cry and say "mommy that boy called me stupid!" etc, OR he can get really sick of being called an idiot and finally do something about it. And I don't mean kill all the people saying it either (so don't get any ideas America).

Ok...the mafia kinda uses those techniques. How does calling Americans stupid encourage any action? Please propose something people can do. I am all ears. Meanwhile I would once again strongly recommend that
you practice your suggestions because they are at your doorstep too.

It doesn't help solve the problem developing in your country (whichever that may be) and it sure as heck doesn't help change anything in America.

Ok we're all collectively stupid that's true, the greatest minds of the planet have arrived at the great philosophical conclusion that we know nothing. But that means that Americans know less than nothing. I think it's relative - however stupid the world is, America represents the bottom of the barrel. So if the world is stupid, well America is stupid-er. :P

Ok. So we agree that Americans have had their very "fiber" systematically attacked and destroyed. How is your comment above helpful? This is more of the same "oh those stupid Americans" type thinking. To use an example as you did above:

If I caught a child stealing and discovered this child came from a wealthy family I would call him a thief.
If this child was stealing shoes because he was living in poverty and was barefoot, I do not think it would be as easy to label him a thief.

On the other hand I have not called the rest of the world stupid. I am saying calling Americans stupid while the very same thing is happening to you, is stupid. Actually that is stupid-er You know the dangers. You see the examples. You should be trying very hard to protect yourself as well as offer a helping hand if the resources allow. Instead, I suspect, many take pleasure in seeing what is happening to Americans. I also suspect you too are in that category. Come on be honest........

I just don't see how criticizing a very hardworking people helps anything.

It seems to me that you have a program running. Somehow, for you, the fact that Americans work hard eclipses the fact that they are stupid. These are not mutually exclusive! Maybe all that hard long-hour mechanical work is actually contributing to stupidity - all work and no play makes Americans a dull.. uh.. gang.

In my 15 years here I have befriended many Americans and Latin people. I can tell you that Latin people
are 10x more fun than northern Europeans. They dance, they laugh and are very upbeat despite having to work hard. Many have been here longer than I. Many have never even travelled to their home country. They too are Americans, are they not?

My origin is from a country rather well known for loafing and dreaming of 4 week vacations all year. I visit regularly and I can tell you there is no place on the planet I would rather spend my days. There is an air of freedom and relaxation especially in smaller villages and islands. When someone enters the city, they are faced with extreme smog and extreme traffic problems despite a good mass transit system. College educated people simply do not earn enough money to live on their own. Consumer credit has expanded astronomically and those 4 week vacations now have certain "restrictions".

Either way, your comments about being "boring" are simply unfounded and smack of a general dislike for Americans. Nothing wrong with disliking Americans. You have every right to do so. Don't disguise it by calling them stupid and stop hiding the fact that you are happy that Americans have an oppressive government.
As we all know, in a hijacked democracy the actions of the government do not reflect the will of the people.
With each passing day Bush's popularity sinks. Are all the people that dislike him geniuses? Are all those that like him idiots? (well maybe ..ha ha) but you get the point. I think most of us are pretty sure that is doesn't matter who is in office.

So please be a bit more forgiving of the American PEOPLE I repeat PEOPLE and not government.

But Americans can do something about it! They are the only ones who can!
The French sure can't do it for them, nobody can. The government is a bunch of psychopaths, and nobody is saying the people are all psychopaths. But the people are allowing themselves to be controlled, they allow the government to get away with it all. The only way to change anything is to wake up the people, and the first and the most crucial step of waking up is realizing that you're asleep. And we're not confusing Americans and their government, but you have to acknowledge the roles each plays in the overall situation. A bunch of psychopaths are controlling a bunch of slumbering idiots. And you can't really blame the psychopaths for being psychopaths, cuz that's all they can possibly be. But the people do have a choice, they don't have to be stupid, they don't have to be controlled, they can choose not to be.

Agreed. This comment makes absolute sense and is absolutely truthful, in my estimation at least.
Please provide some solutions and ,depending upon what you suggest, I will try to start immediately.
I just hope the solutions go beyond, don't watch TV, pay off your debt, cut up your credit cards, consume less gas and visit the SOTT website.

And I agree that the problem is everywhere. But let's not ignore the relativistic situation I mentioned above - if the problem is everywhere, then America is the ghengis kahn of the problem. If the whole world is a fruit basket, then Americans are the part that is short a few bananas, etc. :P

What is short a few bananas is watching the same thing happen in your back yard and doing little other than calling Americans stupid. What is short a few bananas is taking solace in the systematic destruction of peoples' lives and jeering because the problem is more pronounced in America than in your country. What is short a few bananas is paying 3-3.5x the price for the same exact thing simply because the Euro is introduced.

In other words, pathocracy is a global disease. All nations have succumbed, but not all to the same degree. Americans have been especially targeted. But psychopaths are not just "governments" they are more or less evenly distributed among all of Earth's population, heavily affecting the minds and lives of all people in the world just by their mere presence and way of being. But America is currently the biggest "strong-arm" due to its size and power. It is the focus, and it is doing the most damage in terms of its political war-games, and in terms of the damage done to Americans themselves by intensive stupidification program. So I agree with you, it's vital to acknowledge the full extent and the true nature of the situation, but it's just as vital to acknowledge which arm of the pathocracy is currently being used to do the most damage. Also, in order to help people learn about the pathocracy, we need examples. America is a perfect example, very easy to see (mostly for people outside America), and so to help understand the greater issue it helps to see the issue in action, and one of the easiest ways to see it in action right now is by looking at America - externally and internally.

Yes, I agree. However, travelling back and forth to Europe on a regular basis I can see the very dramatic changes that have taken place over the past 10 years. I see a carbon copy of what happened in America over the past 15-20 years. The developments are similar in nature as well as how they are unfolding.

This is in no way an attempt on my behalf to defend the actions of the government.
I think the problem lies in the fact that the people see little they can do to change things.
I also still think that calling Americans stupid while not focusing on the real problem at hand, which is firmly at your doorstep no matter where you are, is counterproductive.

Last but not least, not trying to offer a helping hand is borderline cruel. We all know the situation.
If (perhaps when) America goes, I really want to see what will happen. I can see all the leaders of European nations trying to be the "head cheese" I see Putin smiling because he will be a superpower again. Ahhhh the vicious cycles. I guess it has happened before and it will happen again........ Very unfortunate the people have little say in it though.



Take care.

 

[Ryan]

I don't think SOTT makes an exception of America. Israel gets at least equal mention too. ;)

 

[mattersnot]

I don't think SOTT makes an exception of America. Israel gets at least equal mention too. ;)

Yes who can forget the puppeteer

 

[mattersnot]

In my estimation their hard work and ingenuity have done miraculous things for the world.

Just to put credit where it is due. The technological miracles in America are pretty much created by ingenious people from other countries migrating to America. The migration first started due to historical conditions and then continued its momentum. So don't say Americans (or any other people for that matter) are ingenious. The distribution of the exceptionally intelligent among the population is nearly the same everywhere. What is true now, as other posters have noted, is that the Americans are more dumbed down than people elsewhere.

Absolutely true. You are correct. It just appears they were given the opportunity to flourish in America over the past 50-60 years or so. If the US was a better place to flourish simply because it was a better place to flourish or if the wars were set up so as to reduce the standing of other nations is beyond me.

 

[Beau]

They were given the opportunity to flourish because the PTB wanted all the intellectual worth of the world contained within the epicenter of the self-serving world. In that respect you couldn't even call it flourishing, you could say their intelligence was bought and paid for in order to advance the goals of a group of people bent on control and destruction.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

For the record, when I say Americans are stupid, I don't mean their intellectual potential. I mean that they have been "dumbed down", they are, on average, lacking knowledge in many areas, and the critical thinking faculties of their brains have been shut down. And while I agree that the same political and ponerological situation is happening and has been happening in many other places in the world, the people there still tend to know more about the world itself than Americans. They may succumb to the same sacred cows and wishful thinking, the same blindness that makes them not really see psychopaths or understand that they are just controlled machines, but on average, people in other places do have a much broader spectrum of knowledge and understanding about the world than Americans. In other words, most of them can probably point out Australia on the map. Americans have been isolated from the rest of the world to such an extent that a large number of them just don't care - why should they? They are even isolated from one another. If something doesn't involve their personal life and job, they tend to not care about it. This includes geography, scientific knowledge, cultural knowledge, political, literature, the arts, whatever. The idea is unless they have to know something to do their job and get by from day to day, they don't care to know it. They do know their baseball and football pretty darn well though.

This makes it especially easy to control Americans. And while the spectrum of knowledge of people in other parts of the world tends to be greater, it is still limited and controlled to not include the vital areas of understanding that would free them from their predicaments - those areas of knowledge that are researched and discussed on this website, not just esoteric but also ponerology, history, science (including hyperdimensional dynamics), etc. They may know poets and artists and writers and philosophers etc, but this doesn't tend to help them avoid the same fate as Americans have succumbed to, it does not help in their interpersonal lives where the same feeding and confusion (many i's, etc) dynamic happens, nor in politics where the same psychopaths use the same methods to control.

So in this sense I'd agree - Europeans, Asians, Africans, South Americans are all just as "stupid" in the areas that truly matter, hence their situation as well. You can be a professor of whatever but still be the biggest bigot and ignoramus when it comes to politics and understanding the human condition. But this does not take away from you being a professor in the sense that, the knowledge that you DO have is not useless, and if you can learn about the crucial pieces that you are missing, then you can combine it with what you already know for a much greater effect. But if a person is completely cut off from any knowledge of the world, then teaching them about ponerology is more difficult, and having them understand what needs to be done, why, and how to do it, is more difficult. They are missing a lot of the "complementary" understandings of the world itself that would help them, osit. And this is the issue that is predominating in America. And I don't think running around calling people stupid would help, but pointing out the overall "stupidity" of Americans in many areas is not a bad idea. And many Americans realize this, they know their educational system sucks (they may not truly know the extent of it, but many do have an idea). So it has some effect of at least inciting people to reflect and consider what could possibly be done. They may be lead astray into useless actions though, but at least they are aware that there is a problem, and that it needs to be addressed, even if they don't really know a good way to address it. People looking for a solution is better than people who don't even know there is any problem at all.