luke wilson
The Living Force
Hey melatonin,
I can kind of understand where you are coming from. No one is disputing that a society needs to have rules and laws that ensures everyones safety and well-being. The police do serve a crucial purpose.
However, look at it from a different perspective, don't look at the police in isolation from everything else. They are part of a wider machine and the whole machine has been co-opted by people who ultimately don't have your or anybody's best interest at heart except themselves. If you look closely at yourself, you'll come to realise exactly the full scale of authority that has been imposed on you from outside by the system.
Also, just because the police haven't knocked on your door yet, doesn't mean they won't in future. To make it clear, you being here, you following this line of thinking of questoning the system in which we live by being part of the alternative movement makes you a threat. That is reason enough for them to come and knock at your door. Just because they haven't yet doesn't mean they won't in future. Keep that in mind.
I can kind of understand where you are coming from. No one is disputing that a society needs to have rules and laws that ensures everyones safety and well-being. The police do serve a crucial purpose.
However, look at it from a different perspective, don't look at the police in isolation from everything else. They are part of a wider machine and the whole machine has been co-opted by people who ultimately don't have your or anybody's best interest at heart except themselves. If you look closely at yourself, you'll come to realise exactly the full scale of authority that has been imposed on you from outside by the system.
Also, just because the police haven't knocked on your door yet, doesn't mean they won't in future. To make it clear, you being here, you following this line of thinking of questoning the system in which we live by being part of the alternative movement makes you a threat. That is reason enough for them to come and knock at your door. Just because they haven't yet doesn't mean they won't in future. Keep that in mind.
N
no-mans-land
Guest
Hi
There are some new information about this incident.
I talked to my landlord and also with other tenants to figure out if the given explanation makes sense or not.
The first answer from the police was, that I look similar to the guy who lived before in this flat. Well, this was a plain lie. He had a bald head and I have a head full of hairs. Appart from this, I am skinny and he was a sturdy fellow. The only thing we have in common is the approximate age.
But curiosly, this wasn't the first time the police were here to look for him. Several month ago they were told that he doesnet live here anymore (from the landlord), then again, they came to another tenant and asked him about me (or, the one who lived here before). They asked if someone lives in this flat again and if this could be the one they are looking for. The tenant told then, that there is some new guy and he sadly gave the impression to the police that I was the guy they are looking for. He didn't know my name back then and as the police asked him if my name was the name from the other guy, he remembered this name and said possibly yes.
So, after a clear "he doesn't live here anymore" from the landlord, they got a "yes, maybe, I don't know" from a tenant. Then, after some time, they decided to believe, against all evidence like the name on my doorbell and the word of my landlord, that I am this guy and came back with a 6 man army to catch me.
OK, either the police is dumb like a bucket full of stones, or, the methods to find people they are looking for are heavily disconnected from reality. In any case, this should proof that with such an incompetent structure, everyone from the PTB can do anything they want for any purpose and the police who is used for it, isn't aware of what they are doing.
There are some new information about this incident.
I talked to my landlord and also with other tenants to figure out if the given explanation makes sense or not.
The first answer from the police was, that I look similar to the guy who lived before in this flat. Well, this was a plain lie. He had a bald head and I have a head full of hairs. Appart from this, I am skinny and he was a sturdy fellow. The only thing we have in common is the approximate age.
But curiosly, this wasn't the first time the police were here to look for him. Several month ago they were told that he doesnet live here anymore (from the landlord), then again, they came to another tenant and asked him about me (or, the one who lived here before). They asked if someone lives in this flat again and if this could be the one they are looking for. The tenant told then, that there is some new guy and he sadly gave the impression to the police that I was the guy they are looking for. He didn't know my name back then and as the police asked him if my name was the name from the other guy, he remembered this name and said possibly yes.
So, after a clear "he doesn't live here anymore" from the landlord, they got a "yes, maybe, I don't know" from a tenant. Then, after some time, they decided to believe, against all evidence like the name on my doorbell and the word of my landlord, that I am this guy and came back with a 6 man army to catch me.
OK, either the police is dumb like a bucket full of stones, or, the methods to find people they are looking for are heavily disconnected from reality. In any case, this should proof that with such an incompetent structure, everyone from the PTB can do anything they want for any purpose and the police who is used for it, isn't aware of what they are doing.
Nawd
Dagobah Resident
melatonin said:
So are you saying that we should all be watched all of the time in the off chance that something might happen? Because you think yourself a hero in that particular instance, now you approve of all watching all of the time?? That is brainwashing right there (to quote you.)
Here in Missouri (U.S.) , you have to show ID just to buy cold medicine, (it doesn't effect me because I don't buy it - but my point is ) - This is because .001 of the population make Meth out of it in some way. However 100% of everyone, if they wish to buy cold medicine have to show ID, AND they are listed and tracked to make sure the don't buy 'too many.'
My point is, just because you think you do no wrong, we suffer for those who actually DO wrong. And what was ok yesterday, may not not be ok today. If you become a 'target' for whatever reason (you speak up for political reasons or anything that makes them go "hmmmm,)" your great CCTV footage will be used against YOU. That's the problem. And it goes on and on.
Edit for: correction.
melatonin
Jedi Master
Im not saying we arent getting controlled, what im saying is that it isnt happening at the level where police would get involved.
Theres allsorts of secret agencies and probably incredible technology to deal with anyone thats a genuine threat, which is probably incredibly rare.
I think the awakened community has been brainwashed into thinking they are a threat for aquiring knowledge over the internet, when the 'powers at be' couldnt care less.
They are happy for people to feel like they are powerful, when its an illusion, its keeps them quiet, and is a distraction from people making real in-roads.
I never said the O.P. didnt experience something traumatic, he did, and i feel for him. I just cant see the connection with the bigger picture. It doesnt exist imo.
Theres allsorts of secret agencies and probably incredible technology to deal with anyone thats a genuine threat, which is probably incredibly rare.
I think the awakened community has been brainwashed into thinking they are a threat for aquiring knowledge over the internet, when the 'powers at be' couldnt care less.
They are happy for people to feel like they are powerful, when its an illusion, its keeps them quiet, and is a distraction from people making real in-roads.
I never said the O.P. didnt experience something traumatic, he did, and i feel for him. I just cant see the connection with the bigger picture. It doesnt exist imo.
N
no-mans-land
Guest
melatonin said:
I understand what you are saying, but let me tell you a story that make the bigger picture a little bit more obvious.
Here in Germany, there is a man called "Michael Winkler". He have a little internet site and write daily columns on it. I like his side because of the simple layout, the style he write, his humor and his insight into political processes. Though he never read political ponerologie, his understanding of the structures are pretty close to reality. But of course, I don't agree with every word he say and some of his political opinions seems just overdrawn, but I respect him for what he stands up against.
To make a long story short, this man had written a text back in 2005 in which he showed how the numbers of the Jewish victims of the holocaust differs from source to source. He speculated, that the official number of victims is used to exert control over the political system here in Germany and also over the minds of the German population. I read that text and all he did is to weight possibility's. He was very caustically and in retrospective, his words were chosen unwise. This text isn't accessible anymore because of the following circumstances.
He was denounciated by a young man to the police because of this one text. The police classified it as subversive because of it's "potential to disrupt the public stability of the law". The point is because of his potential! And this directly relates to what Kniall said:
Kniall said:
And because of that he was considered as "potential subversive", his house was stormed, his hardware confiscated and he was convicted by court. The whole story can be read here:
_:http://www.michaelwinkler.de/Pranger/040707.html
The thing is, I don't consider myself as dangerous to the system or specially targeted, but neither did he. The reasons why a person find himself in such a situation doesn't depend on rational thinking. Just have a look about what Laura and her crew have to deal with "Jean" right now. Does anyone negate the connections to the bigger picture? I mean, its obvious that she is also considered as dangerous and therefore specially targeted. And on top of it, not for the first time.
There is more than enough evidence that certain people are considered as a potential threat and that those people are also part of the "awakened community who acquiring knowledge over the internet".
So, you can do nice and in line with the law as much as you want, but that doesn't mean that you are protected from the arbitrariness of the system itself. If they come to your door, then what? Maybe in your absence the cassiopeans were labeled as a terrorist association in your country. And maybe you are marked as a donator and therefore as a supporter of terroristic activities. Does it make sense? Well, not really, but rational thinking isn't one of they favorite tools.
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