Spiders from Mars

[Alada]

You know I really wish that I could. Much of the content of my posts on subject come from an unidentifiable source and I am still very much in the process of researching the subject.

Well that's a shame, as so far nothing you have written makes any sense.

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I apologise if what I say appears to be mere conjecture to you but I am convinced, through my contact with an unidentified earth source, that I am right.[/quote]

'Contact' does not proof make! If you are in contact with something, how have your verified it? There are numerous of stories of 'contacts' with various 'sources', now how many of those have brought forth any great knowledge to the benefit of all humanity? Can you list them?

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It has been a matter of innate knowledge that mushrooms provide us with links to other worlds and to hidden worlds that exist on earth. There is a mist that knows me and I know it that guides me to the places where mushrooms grow. It has lead me to discover many things about the falseness of the lives we lead. I do not feel safe enough to divulge any more than that right now and I hope that you do not take the scientific stance and dismiss me through lack of physical evidence. I am finding out more a about this universe through daily experience than I would ever learn from reading scientific journals which in my opinion, seek to deceive and cover up the supernatural. What science cannot explain it dismisses which as Madame Blavatsky tried to tell us, is to Deny the realms of alternate reality.
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Well the above is just rambling. Here we are interested in real research, in scientific method and useful knowledge, not in the use of illegal drugs to produce useless word salad. Further reference to the use of illegal drugs will not be welcome here.

 

[Danse la vie]

You know I really wish that I could. Much of the content of my posts on subject come from an unidentifiable source

I suggest you go to the new age cointelpro section right away, and your unidentified source would be soon identified, if it this within your scope

Danse la vie

 

[dantem]

Which are the practices of mushroom culture, and how is it related to "when we were part of the symbiosis of life on earth and recognised our oneness"?

Much of the content of my posts on subject come from an unidentifiable source and I am still very much in the process of researching the subject. I apologise if what I say appears to be mere conjecture to you but I am convinced, through my contact with an unidentified earth source, that I am right. It has been a matter of innate knowledge that mushrooms provide us with links to other worlds and to hidden worlds that exist on earth. There is a mist that knows me and I know it that guides me to the places where mushrooms grow.

Then this forum is not for you, lennybruce. Have you read any of the recommended books? The Wave Series? We are here to read and discuss this material. From what you've written above you haven't even read anything that has already been posted on the forum. Seems that there's nothing here that fits you.

Here at least you can research the subject you like so much, but remember that an open mind doesn't allow any 'I am convinced' or 'I am right'.

But please, first read, then digest the material a bit and see if this forum fits you.


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[lennybruce]

If there is a mosquito in the room, I do my best to swat it. A parasite, potentially harmful to me and my aims, therefore a baddie.

Yes and I suppose that I would too if there were no alternative ie removing it, but how on earth can you say it is a baddie. I do take your point about some parasitic organisms that are wholly destructive of their hosts but a mozzy is no great threat. I suppose my point has more to do with the symbiotic connectivity that is interrupted whenever a species is targeted for eradication. For example rats have such a bad press. They are accused of harbouring germs and virus's that threaten humans. The fact is that we need to be exposerd to these germs in order to generate the antibodies to fight them off. By removing the rat population you remeve the interface that builds our immune system. We may have to suffer temporary discomfort when we are infiltrated by some virus but you know what? we should welcome it, not get antibiotics from our doctor, and just be thankful that in going through this little bit of discomfort, we are better equipped to stay fit and well. Medical science is mans biggest enemy.

from the human 3d point of view.

I must say that I find it odd that everything but human beings are labelled 2D. Can someone explain this please.

To proclaim otherwise is a willful cop-out or otherwise blind folly. We can not adopt God's point of view, where all is equal, where there is no good/evil. Take a look around, do you see any evil in the world? The bug example is just the same thing on a different scale. From a lettuce's point of view, slugs are evil.

FRom a lettuce point of view we are evil as well if your logic is to be followed. Clearly there is a major problem with your definition of evil. Everything that exists in nature exists to be consumed by somerthing else in its effort to survive, including us. Wilful destruction is evil. Killing to survive has to be accepted as the way it is. That is not at all evil. We are expected to consume those life forms that are compatible with our metabolism and if there is a God, we will not face retribution for having done so.


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[lennybruce]

Well the above is just rambling. Here we are interested in real research, in scientific method and useful knowledge, not in the use of illegal drugs to produce useless word salad. Further reference to the use of illegal drugs will not be welcome here.

I am not awarer that I have said anything interms of recomending illegal drugs. When have I done that? All that I have referred to is mushrooms and that covers a whole range of species some of whichj have psychoactive properties and many do not. The importance of funghi to this planets ecosystem is fundamental to survival of all life here. My interest in mycology goes way behond so-called magic mushrooms. You seem to be holding some pre-conceived ideas that it is hard for me to understand. Your attitude is most upsetting and as I expect is the intent. You are being very unfair and massively disappointed and victimised.


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[anart]

I must say that I find it odd that everything but human beings are labelled 2D. Can someone explain this please.

Please at least read the Wave and Adventure Series if you are going to spend time on this forum, in order to get up to speed on the material.

Your input thus far on this forum has been nothing but noise, so it would be appreciated if you could either get up to speed on the material covered here, so you can join in the conversation in a productive way, or find another forum that suits your needs better.

 

[lennybruce]

I really do not believe that the replies that are coming to me are from SOTT. I believe that all of my internet traffic is intercepted by perepetrators of ill will and let me just say that you will not get to me.

 

[Al Today]

Well...
Since you started with a musical reference, let me now ask...
Have you considered the situation?
Do you feel you are a victim of someone's evil plan?

 

[anart]

I really do not believe that the replies that are coming to me are from SOTT. I believe that all of my internet traffic is intercepted by perepetrators of ill will and let me just say that you will not get to me.

Perhaps it would be more productive to look at your own posts and work out what has prompted the replies you have received. Ignoring reality is contractile - it's much more beneficial to face reality and work on understanding it as objectively as possible.

 

[Graalsword]

I have to say that I do not bvelieve that it is within our remitt to determine what are baddies and what are goodies. [...] WE have to exist as part of the whole and do what we need to survive.

Well how do you reconcile the two statements above then in your view?

If there is a mosquito in the room, I do my best to swat it. A parasite, potentially harmful to me and my aims, therefore a baddie.

Doing what we need to survive includes seeing reality as it is, not as we would wishfully think it to be. This includes learning to make choices about what is good/bad in a given context from the human 3d point of view. To proclaim otherwise is a willful cop-out or otherwise blind folly. We can not adopt God's point of view, where all is equal, where there is no good/evil. Take a look around, do you see any evil in the world? The bug example is just the same thing on a different scale. From a lettuce's point of view, slugs are evil.

I totally agree with Alada here. Some insects, and some other animals could be very harmful and dangerous, and if there is no way to be far away from them, the only option to act in favour of our destiny is to kill them, we are 3rd density STS beings, we still have to do 3D STS things to remain here until it is time to move ahead.

 

[timmyman]

well:D

all's been already said. to add something could be more in the lines of nothing can be taken as ultimately good or evil.

 

[lennybruce]

Let's look at the symbolism of spiders. They skillfully weave webs that snare their victims, and then eat them. Do you think maybe you have been snared as well?

No I do not think so, that is unless the webmaster is either so chokka already or he just does not fancy me. Alternatively he may just realise that he would be biting off rather more than he can chew and is fearful of falling victim to a resistance that would cause him some damage. Anyway, perhaps you could elucidate on where your perception of my entanglement is derived from. I have only made a couple of posts and you already seem to have a fixed view of my position.

Going back to the point of spiders, the art is not so much the skill of weaving, which to them is a natural function, it is in the position and location. The brilliance of some choices simply forces me to believe that these critters have a lot more going for them than we have thus far given them credit for. When one looks at the animal kingdom, particularly the predators, one can see the obvious advantages to having a psycho pathis nature. A spider with guilt just would not survive. If survival is the name of the game, why are humans so different that psychopathy is considered evil. I am not advocating it, heaven forbid, but I have sometimes wondered well, maybe that's how we should be. I guess that is what sets us apart from the rest of the animal world. :)


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[EGVG]

Have you read ANY of the books that this forum recommends? I think you haven't! ;)

 

[obyvatel]

When one looks at the animal kingdom, particularly the predators, one can see the obvious advantages to having a psycho pathis nature. A spider with guilt just would not survive.If survival is the name of the game, why are humans so different that psychopathy is considered evil.I am not advocating it, heaven forbid, but I have sometimes wondered well, maybe that's how we should be. I guess that is what sets us apart from the rest of the animal world. :)

Psychopathic logic could run like "since survival is the name of the game, kill the others before they kill you". Problem with "maybe that's how we should be" lies in who "we" stands for. If "we" are the entire humanity, then the the ranks would be decimated pretty soon - after all a population teeming with predators cannot last long. But that is a purely logical/intellectual approach. The fact is human beings who have not completely lost their empathic qualities find such a psychopathic worldview abhorrent even without resorting to intellectual logic.

I do not think there is a compelling logical answer as to "why psychopathy is considered evil". To those born that way or the wannabes who get fascinated by psychopaths and want to emulate them, it is not evil. These two categories are those of primary and secondary psychopaths. Then there are those who "follow the leaders" - the authoritarians. For all these people, there can possibly be no true understanding of psychopathy as it does not appear to be a "pathology" at all but natural and logical. But to most others, it just feels wrong and "psychopathy" is indeed a pathology.

 

[Alada]

Let's look at the symbolism of spiders. They skillfully weave webs that snare their victims, and then eat them. Do you think maybe you have been snared as well?

No I do not think so, that is unless the webmaster is either so chokka already or he just does not fancy me. Alternatively he may just realise that he would be biting off rather more than he can chew and is fearful of falling victim to a resistance that would cause him some damage. Anyway, perhaps you could elucidate on where your perception of my entanglement is derived from. I have only made a couple of posts and you already seem to have a fixed view of my position.

You see it is quite simple. Many people come here for one reason or another, some to read, learn and discuss the material at hand, share their ideas on it and so on. Others come for their own reasons, to debate, to 'teach' based on nothing other than opinion or illusory constructs. People forget that this is someone elses house, they forget that they agreed to the rules of this house when they signed up, they forget that such behavior though popular elsewhere, perhaps considered 'normal' even, is not welcome here and will ultimately see them banned.

Far from being a 'fixed view', Mr. Premise has picked up on a certain lack of sincerity, as have many others here. Now, could it be that everyone else is wrong and you are right?

Going back to the point of spiders, the art is not so much the skill of weaving, which to them is a natural function, it is in the position and location. The brilliance of some choices simply forces me to believe that these critters have a lot more going for them than we have thus far given them credit for.

It can also be the case that the amazing webs that come to your attention, their location and construction are nothing more than chance. Look closely and you will also see many poorly constructed webs, located in terrible positions. Perhaps there are far more of these than there are the amazing exceptions that you notice? True, nature can do some wonderful things but maybe best not to get too hug up on straining over such details. If you think about it on the purely physical level, what in nature is not amazing, doesn't all creation reveal a certain intelligence behind it all?

When one looks at the animal kingdom, particularly the predators, one can see the obvious advantages to having a psycho pathis nature. A spider with guilt just would not survive.

The animal kingdom has nothing to do with the subject of psychopathy. Nature fulfills its role in what might be described a mechanical way. You should get up to speed on the subject.

If survival is the name of the game, why are humans so different that psychopathy is considered evil. I am not advocating it, heaven forbid, but I have sometimes wondered well, maybe that's how we should be. I guess that is what sets us apart from the rest of the animal world.

Humans are different in that they have the possibility to make conscious choices. As obyvatel pointed out, whether one considers the psychopathic world view, the actions of the psychopath and the world they create around them 'evil' or not depends on what we choose. What 'face of God' we choose align ourselves with. The notion of 'good' / 'evil' doesn't matter on the level of the creator, all are expressions of creation or 'faces of god', but we are not at that level. So the lesson here seems to be in learning to perceive fully the difference between these two aspects of the creator and then choosing which we wish to align ourselves with so that we may learn and evolve further, or not.