Spontaneous Human Combustion

celtic

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Well, although it is strange, it may not necessarily be 'paranormal'. Check out this post that Psyche made on the subject:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,894.msg153665.html#msg153665

It might be more of a health issue than anything paranormal, but I think it's still hard to say at this point.
My own thoughts was going towards this. I was thinking it could be the result of poor diet in the gut. And like Psyche said if you begin to constipate the gas in your system can build up over time.

But I find it odd that only the body durns and every thing else can remain intact. Even in some instance's the clothe's wont even catch fire, how can you explain that? Is it possible for a machine to catch fire or completely explode and burst into flames and everything else remains safe?

I am not saying this is paranormal, but I am saying that this could very well be a very unique experience taking place in someones body. It could be health issue but also a issue that might have some paranormal qualities. In other words it could be a mind, body and spirit issue all in one. But this is pure speculation
 

Gaby

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celtic said:
I am not saying this is paranormal, but I am saying that this could very well be a very unique experience taking place in someones body. It could be health issue but also a issue that might have some paranormal qualities. In other words it could be a mind, body and spirit issue all in one. But this is pure speculation
Wasn't there cases of spontaneous combustions which were marked by odd coincidences? Anyway, I also think that there could be a paranormal factor.
 

cubbex

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:P oxygen in the blood hasn't something to do with?

It's very gross to see those images of burned people, first they don't burn everything around, but his body is reduced to ashes as on a cartoon when an alien shoots his plasma pistol to someone, and apart of that, for example on some cases al that remains are the legs, like unaffected by the fire when the upper body is not there.
 

anka

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Because this thread has not been updated for almost 8 years, I thought that for the record I would quote this article published on SOTT in August 2012. Have done a bit of research and this is probably the best attempt to date to explain the phenomenon scientifically. If you know about some more recent one bring it on:

Professor's Breakthrough on Human Combustion Theory
Rachel Allen
Cambridge News, UK
Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:54 UTC


A Cambridge professor has tackled the issue of spontaneous combustion - using belly pork.

Prof Brian J Ford is a research biologist and author of more than 30 books, most about cell biology and microscopy but he has turned his attention to the mechanisms behind why people 'explode'.

He said in an article in New Scientist: "One minute they may be relaxing in a chair, the next they erupt into a fireball.
Jets of blue fire shoot from their bodies like flames from a blowtorch, and within half an hour they are reduced to a pile of ash.
Typically, the legs remain unscathed sticking out grotesquely from the smoking cinders. Nearby objects - a pile of newspapers on the armrest, for example - are untouched."

The first record of spontaneous combustion dates back to 1641 when Danish doctor and mathematician Thomas Bartholin described the death of Polonus Vorstius - who drank wine at home in Milan, Italy, one evening in 1470 before bursting into flames. Since then more reports of spontaneous combustion have been filed and linked to alcoholism - though the link was later disproved.

The most recent case was 76-year-old Michael Faherty who died on December 22, 2010. West Galway coroner Ciaran McLoughlin recorded the cause of death as spontaneous human combustion.

Prof Ford wanted to disprove the alcoholism theory and also something called the 'wick effect' suggested by London coroner Gavin Thurston in 1961. Thurston had described how human fat burns at about 250c, but if melted it will combust on a wick - such as clothes or other material - at room temperatures.

He wrote: "I felt it was time to test the realities, so we marinated pork abdominal tissue in ethanol for a week. Even when cloaked in gauze moistened with alcohol, it would not burn. Alcohol is not normally present in our tissues, but there is one flammable constituent in the body that can greatly increase in concentration."

The body creates acetone, which is highly flammable.

He added: "A range of conditions can produce ketosis, in which acetone is formed, including alcoholism, fat-free dieting, diabetes and even teething. So we marinated pork tissue in acetone, rather than ethanol. This was used to make scale models of humans, which we clothed and set alight. They burned to ash within half an hour."

"For the first time a feasible cause of human combustion has been experimentally demonstrated."
 

Aeneas

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Professor's Breakthrough on Human Combustion Theory
He added: "A range of conditions can produce ketosis, in which acetone is formed, including alcoholism, fat-free dieting, diabetes and even teething. So we marinated pork tissue in acetone, rather than ethanol. This was used to make scale models of humans, which we clothed and set alight. They burned to ash within half an hour."

"For the first time a feasible cause of human combustion has been experimentally demonstrated."
It could also be that this theory is meant to scare people of the ketogenic diet and back on to carbs and sugar. The theory came out in 2012, when the ketogenic diet was starting to get popular. Perhaps just a coincidence or it could be a pushback by those with an interest in keeping people sick and docile.
 

thorbiorn

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Because this thread has not been updated for almost 8 years, I thought that for the record I would quote this article published on SOTT in August 2012. Have done a bit of research and this is probably the best attempt to date to explain the phenomenon scientifically. If you know about some more recent one bring it on:

Professor's Breakthrough on Human Combustion Theory
The body creates acetone, which is highly flammable.

He added: "A range of conditions can produce ketosis, in which acetone is formed, including alcoholism, fat-free dieting, diabetes and even teething. So we marinated pork tissue in acetone, rather than ethanol. This was used to make scale models of humans, which we clothed and set alight. They burned to ash within half an hour."


"For the first time a feasible cause of human combustion has been experimentally demonstrated."
Perhaps this might explain some cases, but have they ever made a convincing case for concentration of ketones levels to reach such levels in a human that a complete combustion would be possible? Who knows,
But I find it odd that only the body durns and every thing else can remain intact. Even in some instance's the clothe's wont even catch fire, how can you explain that? Is it possible for a machine to catch fire or completely explode and burst into flames and everything else remains safe?
Wasn't there cases of spontaneous combustions which were marked by odd coincidences? Anyway, I also think that there could be a paranormal factor.
And wasn't there a transcript that mentioned that when people transit both 3rd, 4th and 5th density are involved. This information applied to the case of spontaneous combustion certainly leaves room for a paranormal factor, wouldn't you think?
 

anka

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It could also be that this theory is meant to scare people of the ketogenic diet and back on to carbs and sugar. The theory came out in 2012, when the ketogenic diet was starting to get popular. Perhaps just a coincidence or it could be a pushback by those with an interest in keeping people sick and docile.
It might be the case but then I would expect more elaborated, clarifying text from the 'researcher' to make his anti keto point.

And wasn't there a transcript that mentioned that when people transit both 3rd, 4th and 5th density are involved. This information applied to the case of spontaneous combustion certainly leaves room for a paranormal factor, wouldn't you think?
Absolutely. I didn't mean to say paranormal factor is not involved. Just looking for the nuts and bolts part of it if there is one. I think on the 3D side of things there always is some scientifically explainable mechanism that serves to 4D processes to manifest although it never is the whole banana.
 

Bastian

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In the article cited by Anka, there is this bizarre sentence :
Prof Brian J Ford said:
He added: "A range of conditions can produce ketosis, in which acetone is formed, including alcoholism, fat-free dieting, diabetes and even teething.
He probably intended to say "carbs-free dieting".
Nobody else noticed it ?

It could also be that this theory is meant to scare people of the ketogenic diet and back on to carbs and sugar. The theory came out in 2012, when the ketogenic diet was starting to get popular. Perhaps just a coincidence or it could be a pushback by those with an interest in keeping people sick and docile.
Maybe, indeed.
 
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