Star Wars - "The Last Jedi"

Thanks for sharing,

I was recently discussing this with a few friends and family and it was pointed out to me how politically correct this movie was. And it wasn't until that moment that I hadn't thought to look into it, and Lo! they were right. Men are bad impulsive and their heroic feats are pointless and useless.. in this movie every man's heroic attempt was presented as a waste of time.. except Luke's fight with Kylo... which is rather depressing as I must admit I enjoyed the movie. :/

I was perhaps, trying to avoid politicizing the movie, didn't read any reviews or checked on the political sphere for tips, but alas, it's Disney and Hollywood we're talking about and we should expect to see more and more of this everywhere we look for entertainment.

Same was true with Rouge one (another movie I enjoyed), it wasn't until the recent discussion that I didn't realize that yes.. Rouge one is also a diversity group, Woman, hispanic, two asians, and middle eastern. All fighting the empire where no women are ever seen.

Perhaps I held Star Wars as one of my havens where I assumed no invasion of gender ideology could ever take place... but again, hollywood.

On the video there's a few things that seem to me to be nitpicking technicalities but I won't get into it as I don't think they add to the discussion. Back to the The Last Jedi... if I may, photography was very attractive and as far as I could discern, the message was that: "failure is our greatest teacher". Which I agree with, Luke refused to admit failing which prevented him from moving on and doing anything for anyone else.

just my two humble cents.
 
I just saw the movie today, and had seen this thread, but not watched the youtube review. So the only thing I really noticed were a lot more female roles. But that guy in the video kind of rips it apart.

That being said, I liked the movie, and I thought it was better than The Force Awakens, which was a big let down for me. And last year I really enjoyed Rogue One. It was great visually and had a nice message of hope.

So I guess we shouldn't expect this political slant to just stop. I'd like to think there is still something of value even if it is so forcefully politically correct. But it kind of sucks that they want to just destroy the positive male archetype.
 
Haven't seen it, but it seems that most reviews aren't good, as this reviewer points out. Here's a reviewer using a more 'fangirl' point of view, not that it's much different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttOoEbj0VL4
Although not worse than the prequels for me, The Last Jedi is its own special kind of meh that demonstrates Disney doesn’t have the guts to do this franchise any justice.
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The reviews of the movie have me recalling years ago, when I read about the rise of the coming Matriarchy. The PTB would position a woman as POTUS who would represent "the Great Mother". I believe this was in keeping with their religious views. Clinton was to be the great mother I'll presume and of course we see how disappointed Hollywood was she didn't win. They will continue on with pressing the issue anyway. Whats the point other then weakening the position of the male and more disintegration within male/female relationships. Maybe, pressing another aspect of the planned "New Religion". :huh:
 
Doesn't matter, Disney knows how to market product, and they will make a billion or more off of this individual film... Isn't it 3/4 of the way there already? Granted, film releases schedules are loaded for the higher % return in the first few weeks, so big releases, now almost global to offset/prevent pirating, which cut into their profit margin as well.... add in the merchandise profits... and the push to pump the product early is where the action is... and the reason very, very few films last over a month anymore... the release is so large in theatre screens.

Overall, as that 'fangirl' said, the movie is 'meh'... not bad or pretty good for those that haven't seen any of them before... but how many is that? So push the product early and hard, profit and ignore the bad reviews and press with box office numbers... to overwhelm the truth of a shody product... shody in terms of storytelling... the technicals are usually well done, that's really what Hollywood is know for... though everyone else is or has caught up in that regard, most of the other markets are too domestically focused, compared to the long time global return focus in Hollywood... the real global market was in the silent era, fell off and really didn't come back as strong (outside of these big projects) until the 90s' as the global economy was pushed.. with a lot of debt.... but no one cares about that anymore, right? All the main countries do it... Russia isn't allowed to, so they are about the only large country without it.

The problem is alwasy 'going forward'... but Disney is used to that problem with sequels as well.... but will allows a small loss if other avenues like Merchandise remain profitable... tie-is to their theme parks... etc... And America, if not the world long fed on our film product, is used to this type of 'meh' stuff... it is the American Way afterall.... another 'sign of the times'.
 
I saw the movie at a privately held screening and I am glad I didn't waste my money on it. The movie adds nothing to the Stars Wars universe. Read the user reviews on IMDB for they paint the real picture. "Return of the Sith" remains the best movie for me, rest of them are boring drab affairs.
 
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I'd have to agree with Sargon of Akkad. In a certain sense I enjoyed the movie, because it's Star Wars and there were incredible battle scenes and the special effects were well done. But identity politics and propaganda were strewn all over the movie and contained within the relationships between characters. It's too bad because it really hurt the overall story and character development. In fact, just about any movie I've seen in the last year that has diversity/identity politics being an underlying message in it has suffered a lot in terms of quality of storytelling.

What's ironic about it, is that this storm of progressivism and postmodern ideology is all about the destruction of history and current society as it is, and replacing it with something new, without having consideration or the wisdom to incorporate or build upon what did/does work in the past. Which is very similar to how history and growth occurs ala Collingwood's Idea of History. Yet in Star Wars, Luke wanted to destroy the history of the Jedi because it didn't work for him (which made no sense in the historical context of his character throughout 3 other movies), whereas Kylo Ren wanted to kill his past by murdering his parents. Yet Disney has gone out of its way to destroy the Star Wars Universe as we know it with this movie.

And it's good to have strong female leads and characters, or having a diverse cast of people starring in them. Or even seeing them 'pass the torch'. I grew up with Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Xena Warrior Princess, The Cosby's, Family Matters, etc. and never thought anything of it because that was who their characters were, and it made sense based upon their mythos in those shows. What happened to Star Wars is different, though. They tore down what was originally built and the history contained in developing the Star Wars universe and characters, and forced a drastic change to occur while simultaneously erasing everything that came prior that got them to that point. They literally used a book burning scene in the movie as a symbolic representation of it too. In doing so, they had to twist Luke's character around to make it work (which it didn't) and turned most of characters into two-dimensional caricatures akin to what Woodsman's video reviewer talked about, in particular the glaring differences between men and women and how polarizing it was, which equated to very poor storytelling and sequences that had almost no bearing on the progression of a cohesive or interesting narrative that was relatable and in-depth.

So, I took this as a microcosm of the widening effect of these ideologies that have 'infected' something else, turning Star Wars into a vehicle for identity/feminist politics and ideologies and losing the essence of what it was. It's actually very disheartening to see how rampant this is. :(
 
;) Hmmm, maybe this follows the STS tendency to help when they intend to hurt?... this destruction of the cultural fabric, which is pretty much a zombie anyway, fits in with the approaching 4d status of the androgynous situation, no? Another hurdle in our school's obstacle course of 3d? And what better vehicle than Star Wars? a popular cultural icon?
 
In hindsight after reading a few comments from some friends about it, I may have been a curmudgeon and overly harsh in the 'review' I wrote above. I saw the movie after reading reviews about postmodernism and feminist ideology, diversity this and that, on both sides of the coin and so went into it with a lot of anticipation and preconceived notions, or at least was looking for all of that more than was necessary rather than taking it for what it is, a movie that's meant to entertain and make a lot of money. So there was definitely that feeling of 'No, not Star Wars!' walking into the movie. Not to say that I don't think some of what I initially wrote isn't there, Hollywood does propagandize, but might have been suffering from pattern recognition run amok and went overboard with it. So please take what I originally said with a grain of salt. :-[
 
As mentioned in other threads, today directors/writers etc. do not know how to tell stories because their own life is so devoid of meaning, they have almost nothing to share in terms of human experience. I haven't seen the last Jedi (which means the last Star Wars lol) but in view of the increasing shallowness in modern movies, being a somewhat dumb but fun movie (like Force Awakens) that pretends to be serious is not surprising. Saw Rogue One and the thought I had while seeing it (and still have) was that these directors shouldn't even bother with characters and such. If they present a two hours movie with space battles from beginning to end, that should be fine and sufficient.
 
That review I saw said that.... and most fans would agree.... all battle all the time would be great, seeing how they have no interest or idea of a thing called character development.... the problem, that reviewer said, is that the space battles et al, weren't very good.... and with dumbed down characters doing dumbed down things, there isn't much to enjoy unless you have never seen anything like scifi before,, so you can enjoy this one... and that is common across the board, not just America... must be that 'dumb it down' meme... engulfing the planet as fast as it can! :D
 
Jonathan Pageau has a very good video discussing Star Wars: The Last Jedi on the symbolic level. I think he does a very good job of explaining a lot of the things that I (and I'm sure many others) found kind of disorganized thematically about the movie, but wasn't quite able to put into words (aside from the obvious pandering to a left-wing political agenda).

 
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