Stephen Colbert Speaks at the White House Correspondents Dinner

Elan said:
Watch part of the video: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/29.html#a8104
I found a high quality download of Stephen Colbert White house correspondents:

http://files.ww.com/download.html?id=13906
(16 min / 65 Mb Quicktime: top quality!)

Now you can see the expressions on the faces very well :)
 
Cyre2067 said:
I think there is a battle going on between STS groups, and that Colbert and Stewart have been co-opted as either useful idiots or willing participants, the theories arent mutually exclusive, and by now we all know that these guys wrap lies in puzzles and toss in a twist every so often just to keep us guessing.
This may in fact be the case, I don't know. For a few years I thought that Stewart's Daily Show was as astute, and probably of greater value than any news program, with the exception perhaps of Now on PBS. Stewart was calling the war in Iraq 'Mess-o-potamia', poking fun at so-called "free speech" zones, looking at the hypocracies of religion in his 'this week in God' bit etc. etc. And the well known Crossfire appearance where he basically lambasted the hosts and pointed out the show's destructive nature on air is unforgettable. CNN canned the show after that.

Later on, Stewart had John McCain on and was not, or could not, point out any of the BS that was so glaringly obvious about the guy. I turned the show off in disgust. For the longest time I was so pleased as punch that Stewart was saying as much as he had that I forgave all those things he wasn't saying. At least someone is saying something, I thought! But I realized that where he could have been alluding to some truths, or some questions at least, he wasn't. So I stopped watching altogether. For pretty much the same reason, I have only tuned in to view Colbert's program a couple of times since it started. And though the guy is funny as all heck I think the program left a funny taste in my mouth for lack of - what - signal? I'm not quite sure. Maybe after reading SOTT, everything, even really astute 'fake news' disappoints. It's not enough.

Last weekend, Colbert did his shtick at the Dinner, and as I mentioned earlier, it left me a bit depressed. Maybe I was thinking that it would make no difference. Or the slings and arrows he was serving hit a mark that was too big to damage. Or the things he was saying were actually so true and so awful that I could hardly find the humor in it anymore if I could before. I had the Colbert show on my mind after that and watched the bland sixty minutes bio of him. Then I tuned in to watch the show on Monday night when he had William "super neo-con" Krystal on. Colbert nailed him on who's part of PNAC, what PNAC was planning in the late 90's and a couple of other points that I was impressed to hear him make. I thought upon hearing this four minute interview, geez, maybe Colbert, in his own way, is sharing knowledge that folks would not be privy to unless they were paying some real attention. He's pointing to something.

So now I'm wondering, do Stewart and particularly Colbert have SOME value? Yes it may be that some faction of the 'sts' heirarchy is 'using' them for it's own ends. Another view is, could it be the case that they have created a 'strategic enclosure' by presenting their material in comedic form and being on Comedy central, which may have less corporate pressure and or alphabet agency influence exerted on it, are that much freer to say what they are? I could be off the mark on this possibilty but I thought I'd mention it because sometimes 'sto' has a 'funny' way of working. Or so I think.
 
Elan said:
So now I'm wondering, do Stewart and particularly Colbert have SOME value? Yes it may be that some faction of the 'sts' heirarchy is 'using' them for it's own ends. Another view is, could it be the case that they have created a 'strategic enclosure' by presenting their material in comedic form and being on Comedy central, which may have less corporate pressure and or alphabet agency influence exerted on it, are that much freer to say what they are? I could be off the mark on this possibilty but I thought I'd mention it because sometimes 'sto' has a 'funny' way of working. Or so I think.
Maybe they can get away with it because both shows (Daily Show and Colber Report) have an awful lot of fluff (Signal/Noise low). Both shows must have their use for the PTB, otherwise why would all these right-wingers show up. The thing that bothers me most about both shows is the Arab bashing. Distasteful.
 
Elan said:
Later on, Stewart had John McCain on and was not, or could not, point out any of the BS that was so glaringly obvious about the guy. I turned the show off in disgust.
I caught that show as well, and was equally disgusted. It seems that sometime after that interview on Hard Ball - when Stewart came on so strong against the msm, that he became deflated. He lost what little edge he had, and this season, he has had one neo-con or right wing pitch man after another on the show. He even had a former head of Mossad on, for god's sake. I think there may be a possibility that he was getting too much attention and being too upfront about the few issues that he brings up, so pressure was exerted and his show changed considerably. Or, perhaps, my impression of him simply changed as time went on and as I became more informed, it's hard to tell.
 
I used to watch The Daily Show relgiously in college. I went to American University in Washington DC, so we were pretty saturated in the politics of the day, and watching Stewart point out all the hilarity helped me cope with the insane agenda being pushed. I started reading SOTT last december and it's given me alot of perspective on the things i watch. I took Understanding Mass Media and Visual Literacy in college, which also helped decypher a lot of the agenda's behind what's on TV, whether it be advertisements or shows in general. The COINTELPRO angle was lacking from that, and SOTT filled the hole quite nicely.

Now however when i see The Daily Show there are very serious issues that he could be pointing out and assaulting, but instead he picks the more humorous ones and laughs. Granted, it's not a news show, and it's on comedy central thus it's core purpose is to entertain, but i think a lot of kids in my age group got used to it being a worthy info source of the day over the last few years, and only now am i realizing the dangerousness of that assumption.

Along those lines, comedy central isn't any free'er then any other channel. If you caught South Park this season, matt & trey created two episodes (entitled Cartoon Wars) in which they discuss freedom of speech and showing certain shows with certain material on television. Basically the episodes were retaliation against Comedy Central because they pulled a re-air of the Scientology episode (read about it here: http://tv.ign.com/articles/700/700508p1.html), they lambast networks for censoring info that is "sensitive". It was a funny pair of episodes, but the core message is rather disturbing.
 
Good piece today in the World Socialist Website on the flap:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/may2006/colb-m05.shtml

The media buried Colbert's routine because his comments, rather courageous considering the circumstances, spoke directly to their own role as accomplices of the administration. These are things that simply cannot be said in America.

One of the most dishonest and self-serving attacks on Colbert came from Richard Cohen of the Washington Post. Cohen, in his May 4 column, first returns to the theme: Colbert's comments were not funny. But why should Colbert have confined himself to amiable, good-natured "ribbing," as Cohen and others would have preferred? He was sharing the dais with a criminal. He must have realized that he had the opportunity to speak for millions, to tell Bush what he should be told for once.

Cohen further attacks Colbert as "rude" and "insulting." "Rudeness," writes Cohen, "means taking advantage of the other person's sense of decorum or tradition or civility that keeps that other person from striking back or, worse, rising in a huff and leaving. The other night, that person was George W. Bush."

He continues, "Self-mockery can be funny. Mockery that is insulting is not. The sort of stuff that would get you punched in a bar can be said on a dais with impunity. This is why Colbert was more than rude. He was a bully."

This is a remark worth considering. It is so preposterous that one has to consider the social and intellectual process by which it could have made its way into print.

Bush, along with his associates, is guilty of launching an unprovoked war, illegal under international law, responsible for the death and mutilation of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Iraqis and Americans. He has helped pitch the world forward toward potential conflagrations of horrifying dimensions. As a personality, he is a weakling and a sadist. No one should forget his presiding over 152 executions in Texas, and his mockery of the plea of death-row inmate Karla Faye Tucker for clemency. " 'Please,' Bush whimpered, imitating Tucker, his lips pursed in mock desperation, 'don't kill me.' "

Standing reality on its head, Cohen, however, accuses Colbert, who merely hints at the methods of this administration, of being a "bully." In making this comment, Cohen speaks for the privileged, profoundly self-satisfied media elite. The Post columnist responds with venom to any signs of political or cultural life going beyond the bounds of the official consensus; hence, his bitter attacks on Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, Stephen Gaghan's Syriana and now Colbert.

Cohen and his ilk are not journalists, they are courtiers, part of the administration's entourage. This insulated media world, where intermarriage is common, where reporters "cover" the activities of their drinking buddies.... Cohen personifies this ignorant, cowardly milieu. He is the type that has made "pundit" into a dirty word.

Cohen is also covering up for his own complicity in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. After initial hesitations, he signed on enthusiastically to the war drive in February 2003, following Secretary of State Colin Powell's appearance at the UN, during which Powell made entirely false allegations about the Iraqi regime. Cohen claimed at the time that the "evidence he [Powell] presented to the United Nations-some of it circumstantial, some of it absolutely bone-chilling in its detail-had to prove to anyone that Iraq not only hasn't accounted for its weapons of mass destruction but without a doubt still retains them. Only a fool-or possibly a Frenchman-could conclude otherwise."

The columnist concluded, "If anyone had any doubt, Powell proved that it [Iraq] has defied international law-not to mention international norms concerning human rights-and virtually dared the United Nations to put up or shut up. There is no other hand. There is no choice."

Many of the journalists in attendance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner have similar track records. If they weren't laughing at Colbert's remarks, it's no wonder.
 
cyre2067 said:
I think a lot of kids in my age group got used to it being a worthy info source of the day over the last few years, and only now am I realizing the dangerousness of that assumption.
I think this is generally true of all information. It is hard to have to come to grips with the fact that almost everything you have ever been taught is false. I really like that one quote that I saw recently:

tolstoy said:
Truth, like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by washing away from it all that is not gold.
Leo Tolstoy
Russian mystic & novelist (1828 - 1910)
 
Cyre2067 said:
but i think a lot of kids in my age group got used to it being a worthy info source of the day over the last few years, and only now am i realizing the dangerousness of that assumption.
It is funny that you say this because I also used to watch the daily show regularly before I got rid of my TV, but the thing that caught my attention is that a while back I was listening to a news report on I think ABC or CBC Canada that they were talking about the Daily Show being the # 1 news source for Americans. Not CNN, not Fox News, or NBC, the Daily Show. It got me wondering that a lot of people are listening to John Stewart as a source of 'real' news. I also started to notice how John Stewart's show is obviously being a lot more funded than the earlier days when it began. It is obvious due to the new nicer/more professional sets (some believe this may be due to Stewart's Jewish background-meaning he's got connections in Hollywood) Also another thing that caught my attention one day in the video store was The Daily Show First Season Box Set DVD. That is when it hit me, or I assume that John Stewart, like everyone else in the business is just after making money not to present 'real' news, let alone objective news.

Elan said:
So now I'm wondering, do Stewart and particularly Colbert have SOME value? Yes it may be that some faction of the 'sts' heirarchy is 'using' them for it's own ends. Another view is, could it be the case that they have created a 'strategic enclosure' by presenting their material in comedic form and being on Comedy central, which may have less corporate pressure and or alphabet agency influence exerted on it, are that much freer to say what they are? I could be off the mark on this possibilty but I thought I'd mention it because sometimes 'sto' has a 'funny' way of working. Or so I think.
All in all as I said before I think Stewart and Colbert take away from the seriousness of the news they are presenting by adding humor, and I don't think they are doing it the 'STO' way. Yes, the C's present humor with their answers sometimes and someone like Carlos Castaneda uses a lot of humor in his writings with esoteric material, but that is what I think of when I think of STO humor not John Stewart or Stephen Colbert. The thing we have to pay attention to is that obviously a lot of people, especially younger generation are being influenced by Stewart and Colbert. So are they presenting these issues how they should be presented? Or do they have an agenda like everyone else? IMHO Stewart and Colbert are both another avenue in the maze or another honey trap.

Nina
 
The funny thing is that Stewart in every single interview he does, says that if you think he is a news source, all that points out is how bad the other TV news is. He always says he is doing "fake news." Why anyone would ever think any different is beyond me. Of COURSE he and Colbert are not reliable guides to what is happening in the world. They are comedians, they are satirists. What a satirist can do is show how unreliable other sources are, and they are very effective when they do that. Ripping apart other sources is valuable, but it is in no way presenting "objective" news. If they try to do that they end up like Lenny Bruce at the end of his career, where he read entire court transcripts out loud during his stand-up performances.

But what I find crucial is that Stewart and Colbert never claim to be presenting objective news. They are trying to make people laugh and get lots of viewers. It's like expecting a popular musician to give us objective news about the world or to fix the world's problems. All they can do is write good songs that might make us think a bit, but it's up to us in the audience to actually DO something. In this case, he destroyed the credibility of the mainstream press, so it is up to us to stop consuming it as much as we can. It is up to us to present more objective news, and that is easier than ever before with blogs.

And, if shows like that become successful, OF COURSE they will be coopted. That's how popular culture works. We have to keep one step ahead of the cooptation process and it isn't easy.

But here's the thing. Colbert's thing at the dinner was not originally put on his show. It was run on CSPAN which IS the closest thing to objective news on television, since they just put a camera in front of an event and let it run. You see congressional hearings and speeches, even ones like David Ray Griffin. And watching it on CSPAN showed us exactly how Bush, his wife and the assembled press grandees reacted. THAT was the news, not the content of Colbert's parody. The fact that they were too nervous to laugh in front of Bush, that they were AFRAID is an important piece of data.



knowledge_of_self said:
Cyre2067 said:
but i think a lot of kids in my age group got used to it being a worthy info source of the day over the last few years, and only now am i realizing the dangerousness of that assumption.
It is funny that you say this because I also used to watch the daily show regularly before I got rid of my TV, but the thing that caught my attention is that a while back I was listening to a news report on I think ABC or CBC Canada that they were talking about the Daily Show being the # 1 news source for Americans. Not CNN, not Fox News, or NBC, the Daily Show. It got me wondering that a lot of people are listening to John Stewart as a source of 'real' news. I also started to notice how John Stewart's show is obviously being a lot more funded than the earlier days when it began. It is obvious due to the new nicer/more professional sets (some believe this may be due to Stewart's Jewish background-meaning he's got connections in Hollywood) Also another thing that caught my attention one day in the video store was The Daily Show First Season Box Set DVD. That is when it hit me, or I assume that John Stewart, like everyone else in the business is just after making money not to present 'real' news, let alone objective news.

Elan said:
So now I'm wondering, do Stewart and particularly Colbert have SOME value? Yes it may be that some faction of the 'sts' heirarchy is 'using' them for it's own ends. Another view is, could it be the case that they have created a 'strategic enclosure' by presenting their material in comedic form and being on Comedy central, which may have less corporate pressure and or alphabet agency influence exerted on it, are that much freer to say what they are? I could be off the mark on this possibilty but I thought I'd mention it because sometimes 'sto' has a 'funny' way of working. Or so I think.
All in all as I said before I think Stewart and Colbert take away from the seriousness of the news they are presenting by adding humor, and I don't think they are doing it the 'STO' way. Yes, the C's present humor with their answers sometimes and someone like Carlos Castaneda uses a lot of humor in his writings with esoteric material, but that is what I think of when I think of STO humor not John Stewart or Stephen Colbert. The thing we have to pay attention to is that obviously a lot of people, especially younger generation are being influenced by Stewart and Colbert. So are they presenting these issues how they should be presented? Or do they have an agenda like everyone else? IMHO Stewart and Colbert are both another avenue in the maze or another honey trap.

Nina
 
DonaldJHunt wrote:
the fact that he was invited indicates is that there is a civil war going on behind the scenes in the U.S. power structure. Between those who want to run the Empire in a more rational way for longer term power and those who want to roll the dice on Armageddon. There is an ongoing attempt of a coup d'etat to force the neocons out and it may be that Bush's father is on one side and Bush on the other. There is a reason why Fitzgerald is still pursuing his indictments, that the retired generals are saying what they are saying. This would never happen if the ruling class were united.
I agree that it looks like a power struggle among factions. I also think The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are ultimately well veiled CoIntelPro because they ever so frustratingly continue to validate the government-approved, official stories of Bin Laden, Zarqawi, terrorism, 9/11 hi-jackers, our troops are heroes no matter what, etc., etc.
 
AdPop said:
I agree that it looks like a power struggle among factions. I also think The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are ultimately well veiled CoIntelPro because they ever so frustratingly continue to validate the government-approved, official stories of Bin Laden, Zarqawi, terrorism, 9/11 hi-jackers, our troops are heroes no matter what, etc., etc.
Sounds like you're describing Bill Maher as well who believes some arab guys with box cutters hijacked planes. Great comedians are not necessarily great thinkers.

Dominique
 
I want to thank all of you for posting your comments here. It's been very helpful in understanding what cointelpro actually is and how it works. Am I right when I say that everything that is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is essentially cointelpro?
 
rs said:
Tolstoy said:
Truth, like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by washing away from it all that is not gold.
Leo Tolstoy
Russian mystic & novelist (1828 - 1910)
Very wise saying. It relates to "seeing the unseen". In this case the "unseen" is the truth. Lies have no meaning without a truth to cover, and the "dis" of "disinformation" is nothing on its own. To come up with solutiuons, ANY solutions, we first need to learn the art of seeing the unseen and become the "washers" if we want to get at the "gold".

The Mechanic said:
Am I right when I say that everything that is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is essentially cointelpro?
If it's not cointelpro then it can serve cointelpro. The road to hell, after all, is paved with good intentions.
 
Just on the topic of Jon Stewart's COINTELPRO status. Having read President Ahmadenijad's letter in full, Jon's treatment of it was really disgraceful, I find, he just seemed to go a long with the whole "Ahmadenijad is a madman" spiel. Then his overexaggeration of Ahmadenijad's disagreements with Israel, with Jon yelling ZIONISM! to the air was kind of scary, because Jon just seemed to believe that Zionism is something the middle east made up.

I guess its to be expected, but Jon has been coming off as rather meek compared to Colbert as far as political commentary goes. And the fact that he seems to be trotting out right wing politicos day after day in between his normal fair of celebrities and comedians.

Just some scattered thoughts from me though.
 
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