Supermodel psychopathic behavior - shock!

[anart]

He looked down his nose at me and asked "Do you think *I* have a soul?" I answered, "It's really hard to tell... maybe, maybe not." He wore red patent leather shoes, which I thought was really odd.

Perhaps another response could have been : "Judging from those shoes, it doesn't look good."


(this is one of the many reasons I'm not invited to such affairs ;) )

 

[Keit]

:D Well, maybe he thinks that he's got a "red slippers"...

But seriously, this "swing" thing is also described in "By the way of deception". Maybe this is how "they" recieve "fresh meat" into their lines.

 

[atreides]

Well, excepting the French here on the boards, I can't help but say that France is a country that coasted into the 20th century on reputation alone, which has been spread pretty thin in the 21st.

On the topic of orgies as a recruitment technique...Whojawhaja? I just keep hearing that line from Starship Troopers over and over again: "Ahh, Fresh meat for the grinder."

 

[Keit]

On the topic of orgies as a recruitment technique...Whojawhaja? I just keep hearing that line from Starship Troopers over and over again: "Ahh, Fresh meat for the grinder."

And I:
"Good for you! Mobile infantry made me a man I am today!"
(If you saw the movie, you'll understand ;) )

 

[Mr. Premise]

That could be said of all "countries" since the nation-state is not the focus in the age of global late capitalism. The economic and political decisions are all made above the level of the nation state (probably always true to an extent by way more now than in the 19th century).

Well, excepting the French here on the boards, I can't help but say that France is a country that coasted into the 20th century on reputation alone, which has been spread pretty thin in the 21st.

 

[paulnotbilly]

On the topic of orgies as a recruitment technique...Whojawhaja? I just keep hearing that line from Starship Troopers over and over again: "Ahh, Fresh meat for the grinder."

And I:
"Good for you! Mobile infantry made me a man I am today!"
(If you saw the movie, you'll understand ;) )

Quality, but I think "Would you like to know more?" could be the one that takes the prize for the msm avoiding people.

 

[name]

There IS something very, very dark in France.

is it not a ´coincidence´, then, that so many *rich* people have villas in southern france ? wolfowitz for example, or, does /chateau rothschild/ ring any bells, besides passable wine ?

and then, there is paris. i went there last year for a week. it is incredible. and there is no effing way IMHO that a country the size of france could generate the wealth to set up that city the way it looks. that kind of lifestyle had to be supported by far more than the usual rapacity and plunder of the french nobility. one hint at the origin of all the wealth is the louvre: room after room after room of impressive treasures from many countries all over the world. the real treasures must have gone to pay for the profligacy of the ponerocracy.

toxoplasma, the bit about birthrates of girls:boys being 3:1 all over the world really caught my attention. in most countries the genders in the population are in proportion of about 1:1. taking into account that girls are more robust than boys (as seen in 1st-year post-natality rates of survival) and the fact that women outlive men, this is crass. where are the other 2 girls/women ? possibilities:
- recent-born girls are often killed by their parents b/c of dowry or "prestige" (see india and china)
- women and girls are distinctly disadvantaged in society vis-a-vis men, health, food, economic opportunities ...
- toxoplasmosis ? (is it not weird that toxoplasmosis tends to ´abort´ them ore often but at the same time makes them more intelligent and attractive ? - this is reminiscent of what is done to control insect pests like moskitoes, where insecticides do not work: sterile males/females are released into the wild. they will copulate but not bear fruit, drastically reducing the population in subsequent generations. a general question: is there any correlation between toxoplasmosis infected females and mutations like /psychopathy/ ?)

given above birth rates: could it be that men ARE supposed to exist in far less numbers than women if the species was living in what could be said to be a "healthy" way ?

again: is there any relationship between toxoplasmosis infections and psychopathy and similar genetix alterations ? does toxoplasmosis in some way favor psychopathic children ?

i must go now ...

 

[Keit]

toxoplasmosis ? (is it not weird that toxoplasmosis tends to ´abort´ them ore often but at the same time makes them more intelligent and attractive ? - this is reminiscent of what is done to control insect pests like moskitoes, where insecticides do not work: sterile males/females are released into the wild. they will copulate but not bear fruit, drastically reducing the population in subsequent generations. a general question: is there any correlation between toxoplasmosis infected females and mutations like /psychopathy/ ?)

given above birth rates: could it be that men ARE supposed to exist in far less numbers than women if the species was living in what could be said to be a "healthy" way ?

again: is there any relationship between toxoplasmosis infections and psychopathy and similar genetix alterations ? does toxoplasmosis in some way favor psychopathic children ?

i must go now ...

Several notes.
According to the research on toxoplasmosis, females after being infected become more “agreeable", nice, submissive and prone to make sex with strangers. In other words, they are becoming easy prey for those males who wish to spread their sperm.
On the other hand, infected males become unsocial and ignore their hygiene. As a result, they are becoming unappealing in the eyes of the opposite sex, and do not participate in spreading sperm. So what does it leave us with?

If toxoplasmosis is a parasite that should help the predator to hunt its prey, it is unlikely that psychopaths will use it (or use it’s benefits) to infect their own kind. It’s more likely that they will use toxoplasmosis to spread psychopathic genes among normal population. “Normal" males become less accessible, and “normal" females bear children that may carry psychopathic genes. And in order to ensure further spreading, male children are born in larger numbers then females. Or maybe it’s some kind of natural reaction of nature, because from evolution point of view, better to have more females and spread genes quickly as possible.

p.s Who knows, maybe so called "indigo children" are carriers of those genes. I wonder if there are any records about those children, and which sex they are.

 

[Z...]

Hi Keit,
these are my thoughts on the subject

Several notes.
According to the research on toxoplasmosis, females after being infected become more “agreeable", nice, submissive and prone to make sex with strangers. In other words, they are becoming easy prey for those males who wish to spread their sperm.
On the other hand, infected males become unsocial and ignore their hygiene. As a result, they are becoming unappealing in the eyes of the opposite sex, and do not participate in spreading sperm. So what does it leave us with?

Can you provide reference to such research.
I read a lot about toxoplasmosis and never encountered any research in this direction. This sounds very interesting.
Contrary to what many people think it is not really easy to get infected by Toxoplasma gondii , the only way is to either directly ingest oocysts which are normally found in the faeces of cats or to ingest tissue oocysts by eating uncooked meat. This is easily prevented by washing your hands or using gloves when handling cats or their tissues. The oocysts are not very resistent once they leave the host body.
I am totally buying the theory that certain parasites are capable of influencing host's behaviour. For e.g. this is a proven fact when it comes to certain species of flat worms comonly known as flukes. Fasciola heapatica has preference for cattle liver.
But it is not easy to get into the liver of the cow. Therefore this parasite has developed clever strategy. Its intermedieary stages first infect the ants. Then they invade their brain and modify their behaviour. Normally ants never stay on the tips of the grass blades, but infected ants migrate to the very top of vegetation and sit there for hours, until they are eventually swallowed by grazing ruminants.
This is quite fascinating as I cannot possibly imagine mechanisms at work to precipitate such particular behaviour change.

In other word we do have a proof that certain parasites are capable of inducing behaviour changes in their hosts.
But we need hard proof that this is the case with toxoplasma gondii.

If toxoplasmosis is a parasite that should help the predator to hunt its prey, it is unlikely that psychopaths will use it (or use it’s benefits) to infect their own kind. It’s more likely that they will use toxoplasmosis to spread psychopathic genes among normal population. “Normal" males become less accessible, and “normal" females bear children that may carry psychopathic genes. And in order to ensure further spreading, male children are born in larger numbers then females. Or maybe it’s some kind of natural reaction of nature, because from evolution point of view, better to have more females and spread genes quickly as possible.

p.s Who knows, maybe so called "indigo children" are carriers of those genes. I wonder if there are any records about those children, and which sex they are.

IMO this is very far fetched - to say the least. My understanding of the psychopats is that they have identical body structure to normal people . It is the spiritual higher centers that they are lacking. Sure , there is conclusive evidence that genetics is closely related to spiritual properties but still something is missing in this equation so its very difficult for me to accept it even as working hypothesis.

Carful with "indigo children" so far nothing has convinced me that these are not just plain children with attention deficit disorder or different forms of autism but parents will go through great lengths not to accept the truth :)

 

[Keit]

Can u provide reference to such research.

Yes, here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=102

IMO this is very far fetched - to say the least. My understanding of the psychopats is that they have identical body structure to normal people . It is the spiritual higher centers that they are lacking. Sure , there is conclusive evidence that genetics is closely related to spiritual properties but still something is missing in this equation so its very difficult for me to accept it even as working hypothesis.

We don't have enough knowledge to understand what is the connection between spiritual properties and genetics.And how or if it influence the development of the "higher centers". My hypothesis is based on my own logical conclusions and limited knowledge how predators choose to spread their genes. I am not saying that psychopaths chose this parasite to spread their genes, I simply presented my own hypothesis as an answer to "name's" hypothesis.

Carful with "indigo children" so far nothing has convinced me that these are not just plain children with attention deficit disorder or different forms of autism but paranets will go through great lengths not to accept the truth :)

Why careful? Is it a sacred cow of yours? The fact that their obvious lack of compassion didn't convince YOU that they maybe have psychopathic genes, doesn't mean they don't have those genes. There is something VERY strange here, and not only their over confidence and obnoxious behavior - somehow lot of them talk about previous lives, some secret knowledge and that they are going to be a future of human race (master race looks like). I am not saying that they do have those genes, I am saying that it looks probable. Especially if "Their" agenda is to repopulate the planet.

Here more info about indigo children:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/adventures277.htm

 

[vinny]

IMO this is very far fetched - to say the least. My understanding of the psychopats is that they have identical body structure to normal people . It is the spiritual higher centers that they are lacking. Sure , there is conclusive evidence that genetics is closely related to spiritual properties but still something is missing in this equation so its very difficult for me to accept it even as working hypothesis.

We don't have enough knowledge to understand what is the connection between spiritual properties and genetics.And how or if it influence the development of the "higher centers". My hypothesis is based on my own logical conclusions and limited knowledge how predators choose to spread their genes. I am not saying that psychopaths chose this parasite to spread their genes, I simply presented my own hypothesis as an answer to "name's" hypothesis.

also, it has been shown that psychopaths DO show a different brain-response to certain stimuli, for example in studies where the brain is scanned, whilst the subject is shown cards with sequence of words, some of which are emotionally loaded. Pyschopaths use a different part of the brain to non-psychopaths when analysing/responding to these.

so, they may have 'identical body structure', but already science can show some concrete physical differences, in the workings of the brain. maybe these type of differences are also involved in tipping the balance for example in the parasite behaviour-change effects described?

 

[Keit]

Here great post about effects of Toxoplasma:

http://mixingmemory(dot)blogspot.com/2005/06/your-cat-could-change-your-personality.html

A few years ago, I read about this strange parasite that cats pass to rats, and rats pass back to cats, that caused infected rats to lose their fear of cats (the title of the original paper was, "Fatal attraction in rats infected with Toxoplasma gondii"1. Now researchers have demonstrated that it can have more subtle effects when humans become infected. First, I learned that researchers showed that those who are infected with the parasite, whom researchers had known showed slower reaction times in laboratory experiments, were 2.65 times more likely to be in car accidents than uninfected people. Now I've learned that they've also discovered even stranger effects on people's personalities (thanks to John Hawks, who linked this article). In 1999, this paper reported the differences found in women who were infected. This is from the abstract:

The subjects with latent toxoplasmosis had higher intelligence, lower guilt proneness, and possibly also higher ergic tension. The difference in several other factors (desurgency/surgency, alaxia/protension, naivete/shrewdness, and self sentiment integration) concerned changes in the variances, rather then the mean values of the factors.

Then I found this 1996 paper which showed than men who were infected were more likely to disregard rules, were less trusting and tolerant, and more jealous, reserved, critical, detached, and guilt prone. Infected women, on the other hand, were more "warmhearted," outgoing, easygoing, trusting, accepting, tolerant, astute, worldly, and polished. In other words, the effects on men and women were in entirely opposite directions. Even more disturbing was the 2003 paper reporting research using military personell that showed infected men to be more impulsive, extravagant, and disorderly (they looked more ragged), along with having lower IQs, lower education levels, and lower levels of novelty seeking.

All this sounds pretty bad for us men, and perhaps not that great for women either. Men become dirty, dogmatic recluses, and women become naive, outgoing, and promiscuous (some of the evidence indicates that they have sex with more men). The authors of the 2003 paper (the first author is the same in each of the papers that I've linked) suggest that the specific behavioral differences in infected men may indicate that the parasite affects the dopamanergic system, which may be why there is a link between infection and schizophrenia.

It turns out, though, that the most recent research indicates that the parasite may not be the cause of some of the behavioral differences. Instead, it appears that there are physical differences between infected and uninfected males that are unrelated to infection, and which may be related to decreased immune response to the parasite. These differences may also be associated with some of the behavioral differences, indicating that the differences may have existed in the individuals prior to infection. So, the parasite may not be causing people's personalities to change afterall. Or at least, it may not be causing all of the differences (e.g., IQ differences and differences in reaction times). The jury is still out, though, so for now, I'm going to be staying away from cats and cat people.

 

[Z...]

Why careful? Is it a sacred cow of yours?

Not at all. Maybe I wasnt clear. My remark was referring to the very term indigo children, which is bogus and missleading. Those who coined this term claim that such children have distinct colour of the aura - indigo which is the color of spirituality.

 

[anart]

Several notes.
According to the research on toxoplasmosis, females after being infected become more “agreeable", nice, submissive and prone to make sex with strangers. In other words, they are becoming easy prey for those males who wish to spread their sperm.
On the other hand, infected males become unsocial and ignore their hygiene. As a result, they are becoming unappealing in the eyes of the opposite sex, and do not participate in spreading sperm. So what does it leave us with?

If toxoplasmosis is a parasite that should help the predator to hunt its prey, it is unlikely that psychopaths will use it (or use it’s benefits) to infect their own kind. It’s more likely that they will use toxoplasmosis to spread psychopathic genes among normal population. “Normal" males become less accessible, and “normal" females bear children that may carry psychopathic genes. And in order to ensure further spreading, male children are born in larger numbers then females. Or maybe it’s some kind of natural reaction of nature, because from evolution point of view, better to have more females and spread genes quickly as possible.

p.s Who knows, maybe so called "indigo children" are carriers of those genes. I wonder if there are any records about those children, and which sex they are.

For what it's worth, it seems to me that you might be making some rather large leaps of logic with this idea. While there is reasearch that indicates that toxoplasma does affect human behavior - and differently for each sex - I've seen nothing that indicates this sort of far reaching effect. Of course, I've also seen nothing that indicates it is not possible, but you seem to be putting quite a lot of eggs in the toxoplasma basket, as it were.

As far as indigo children go, there is a wealth of information on this site alone that indicates that whole 'phenomenon' is 'red herring'.

 

[Keit]

For what it's worth, it seems to me that you might be making some rather large leaps of logic with this idea. While there is reasearch that indicates that toxoplasma does affect human behavior - and differently for each sex - I've seen nothing that indicates this sort of far reaching effect. Of course, I've also seen nothing that indicates it is not possible, but you seem to be putting quite a lot of eggs in the toxoplasma basket, as it were.

As far as indigo children go, there is a wealth of information on this site alone that indicates that whole 'phenomenon' is 'red herring'.

I think you right. Even if something close to resemblance is going on, it’s not happens as a “conscious" act, but as a part of our existence on this planet. Psychopaths may use persons vulnerabilities, doesn’t matter if it comes from ignorance or parasite influence. I am not treating toxoplasma as an answer to all this, but as an example of possible dynamics. There are lot of other parasites and influences we are not aware of, or are aware who may affect our thinking.
What I presented may be a good scenario for b rated sci-fi movie, though ;)