Talking with Angels - a channeling experiment during WWII

[Adaryn]

has anyone heard of this book ?
I read it for the first time 2 years ago and it seems to be one of the earliest channeling experiences published. Though it was published for the first time in the 70's, the experience it relates took place in 1943-44.

Here's the resume from a website :

"Budaliget 1943: A small village on the edge of Budapest. Three young women and a man, artists and close friends are gathered together in the uneasy days before Hitler's armies would destroy the world as they knew it. Seeking spiritual knowledge, and anticipating the horrors of Nazi-occupied Hungary, they met regularly to discuss how to find their own inner paths to enlightenment.
One June afternoon, the meeting is disrupted when Hanna calls out, "Be careful, it is no longer I who speak!" Her friends do not recognize her voice now or later, when she speaks in other voices, each directing a specific message to one of the four.
For 17 months, with the world locked in a deadly struggle for survival, the four friends meet every week with the spiritual beings they come to call their "angels"; Gitta Mallasz takes notes, the protocols which form this book, along with her commentary. The angels' message of personal responsibility is as meaningful and as urgent today as it was for its initial recipients half a century ago."

It's not an informational book per se, but rather a mystical one, with a lot of symbols and imagery, to read at different levels of understanding. There is no method or channeling instrument at all, since the experience was not planned, it happened out of the blue, the "higher beings" talking directly through the channel. In short, they didn't expect it, it just happened while the channeler (Hanna) was talking to her friend (Gitta). The sessions happened on a weekly basis for 17 months; Only Gitta survived the war. Her 3 friends died in concentration camps.

I read the book again a few weeks ago and I found some similarities with the C's :
the beings talking through Hanna spoke of 7 levels of existence, which - though not exactly the same - stroke me as similar to the ones described by the C's. They defined these levels as :
1/ mineral
2/vegetal
3/animal
4/man
5/angel
6/seraphim
7/the One, that they call � (in hungarian) to designate the source of all thing. � is both masculine and feminine, and can be translated as He/She

The 4th level as I understood it is the new born man, whose task is to reconcile both aspects of creation : the first 3 first levels, "more" material and created by the higher levels, and the last 3 levels, less material and with creative abilities. The "new man" would fill the breach in creation and reunite the lower and higher levels. I see this 4th level as the new life in 4th density (seen from the STO side).

A resume of the story of Gitta Mallasz (who took the notes and lather published the book) :
http://www.daimon.ch/3856305645_2P.htmh … 645_2P.htm

Some extracts in french : http://perso.orange.fr/christian.boullangier/index.html

 

[Alana]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

Interesting Prayers for Rain...

I wonder:

Is there any reference in the book in regards to any "forces" that act against "new man" preventing him from "reuniting the lower and higher levels"?
And whether there's guidance given by the "angels" as to how this uniting, by which acts of the new man, will take place.

I am particularly fond of the word used to name the source: �! Is it pronounced as the german o mit umlaut?

Btw, i was unable to open the first link you provide.

Irini.

 

[Adaryn]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

Irini wrote:

Is there any reference in the book in regards to any "forces" that act against "new man" preventing him from "reuniting the lower and higher levels"?

the angels don't precisely talk of a "force" "preventing him from reuniting the lower and higher levels". Actually "they" are talking of "the destroyer", or the "manipulator", or the "liar" which lies in human mind. This manipulator acts not again "new man", but present man in struggle. They use images, and it's not take literally. As I said it is not an informational book, more a mystical one, thus it's more symbolic than explicit.

Irini wrote:

And whether there's guidance given by the "angels" as to how this uniting, by which acts of the new man, will take place.

These beings, referred to by Gitta Mallasz as their inner guides or angels, give actually personal guidance if we can call it that way, to the 4 persons involved in this experience. Though it is published and available to everyone now, originally it was aimed at these 4 persons particularly ; and yes, they're talking of this "reunion", in mystical and metaphorical terms.

I personnally like their emphasis on the importance of truth vs lies.
Just a translation from a small extract, to give an idea :

Word carries light. True word has a weight.
False word has no weight.
The destroyer rejoices over the flaw, him, the father of all lies
He crumbles, he demolishes.
It's not violence which destroys the walls, but lies.

It made me think of a "foretaste", mystical version of the C's. I understand thought that some might be repelled by that "style".

I am particularly fond of the word used to name the source: �! Is it pronounced as the german o mit umlaut?

I don't speak Hungarian but I think so, yes. And � is referred to as the Absolute, it's not the source talking through the channeler (just to precise).

Btw, i was unable to open the first link you provide.

the link is good, only you have to remove the "http://www.daimon.ch/" which (i don't know why) appears at the end of the link once you enter it in the address bar
http://www.daimon.ch/3856305645_2P.htm

 

[Green_Manalishi]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

Prayers for rain if you're interested there's at least a book with channelled material older than the one you brought here. It's "Dweller on Two Planets" by Phylos the Thibetan.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=777.msg4225#msg4225

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/dtp/index.htm

 

[Laura]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

I've ordered a copy of "Talking With Angels." Meanwhile, thought it would be useful to archive the text linked above here:

Talking with Angels
by
Gitta Mallasz
Preface

PREFACE

This English language publication of the 'angel dialogues' has been a long time in coming: the remarkable events documented here took place in Hungary during the late stages of the Second World War, in 1943 and 1944.

As their life situations, and gradually, their very chances for survival, grew ever darker, the four close-knit friends were suddenly met by a force which came to be known to them as angels. This extraordinary encounter continued for seventeen months, and Talking with Angels is the first unabridged translation of their original Hungarian protocols to be published. Three of the friends eventually perished in the Nazi concentration camps, and the sole survivor, Gitta Mallasz, was obliged to remain underground with her precious documents and to concentrate on supporting her family of seven (her parents, her brother, and his wife and children), who had gone from wealth to poverty during the war. This phenomenon of radical change from one station in life to the next always accompanied Gitta. Her struggle for survival in postwar Communist Hungary was to last more than fifteen years. When the opportunity finally came for a new start - her parents had died and her nephews and nieces reached adulthood -, Gitta was able to make her way through the iron curtain to France with the precious black notebooks wrapped tightly in bed sheets in her one small suitcase.

In Paris, in 1960, life began anew at the age of 53: Gitta reestablished her considerable reputation as a stage-set and graphic designer and she met and married Laci, a dear man who had also emigrated from Hungary. With help from him and a few close friends, she began the difficult task of translating the protocols of the dialogues into French, her third language after Hungarian and German. Through one of these friends, the existence of the dialogues was brought to the attention of a prominent French radio journalist, Claude Mettra, who, after reading them, invited Gitta to be a guest on his weekly national program, "The Living and the Gods." That famous first 90-minute interview, broadcast live by Radio France on April 22, 1976, marked the beginning of the dialogues becoming publicly known.

Gitta had long been aware that making the dialogues accessible to all was part of her task; she understood them to be important for more than just the four original participants, but she had had no means of making them available to others. Now at last she had a forum.

Radio France was deluged with letters responding to her impressive message. One day, Claude Mettra packed together a large bundle of them and marched over to the modest but renowned Parisian publishing house, Aubier Montaigne. Gitta's manuscript was quickly accepted, trimmed and prepared for publication, appearing later in 1976 as Dialogues avec l'ange. Though practically unadvertised, it became an immediate sensation and was reviewed and discussed on radio and in newspapers throughout the land.

It is interesting to note that the dialogues had their first and greatest public success, and were met with such a resounding echo, in France, of all places: a land of people known for sharp intellect and skeptical rationalism. Perhaps this is because of the document's straightforward, down-to-earth character, in contrast to so many other publications dealing with esoteric matters.

Gitta herself chose to remain in the background. After her radio appearance, she declined all of the inevitable public-speaking invitations and continued to live her normal daily life in relative anonymity. It was not only her natural modesty that kept Gitta out of the limelight: she had a strong aversion to the tendency people often have of attributing their hopes, fears and admiration to her personally, to their wanting to make her into a kind of 'guru.' She was convinced that the real message is for everyone to find an own personal relationship to the words of the document, to experience it themselves. This is also the reason why photographs of Gitta and the other participants were never published with the dialogues.

In 1973, Gitta and her husband retired from Paris to a small farmhouse which they themselves restored in the Dordogne region of the French countryside. Laci built all of the furniture by hand from local materials. Far from the city at last and close to nature again, as in her childhood, Gitta continued to live a simple life, to respond to the many letters concerning Dialogues avec l'ange over the years and, to her greatest joy, to devote her energies to working on foreign language editions of the dialogues.

In 1983, her quiet life in retirement ended when she received a speaking invitation she had never anticipated: the C.G. Jung Institute of Zürich asked her to talk with its students about her experience with the angels. Having been deeply impressed during the arduous years in Budapest after the war by Jung's writings, and later greatly comforted by his descriptions of dialogues with his inner guide, Philemon, in his biography,* Gitta felt that she could not say 'no' to this invitation. She made the long train journey to Zürich and spent 2 lively evenings, first describing and then discussing her experience of the dialogues with a full house of fascinated listeners.

The tremendous resonance in Zürich convinced Gitta that it might, after all, be appropriate for her to reveal more of her personal experiences in connection with the dialogues, along with the actual protocols, and in the ensueing years, she made extensive speaking tours and conducted workshops throughout France, Switzerland, Holland, Germany, Austria and Belgium.

Further, Gitta came to feel that it was appropriate to put her energies to work forming the often personal material of her correspondence with readers, and later, of her speaking encounters, into a book. The result was Die Engel erlebt (roughly: "the angels experienced"), originally published late in 1983 in German and French (translations have followed). A second book, Weltenmorgen (roughly: "dawning world"), followed by Sprung ins Unbekannte ("Leap into the Unknown") continued Gitta's ever more personal response to the many questions addressed to her in the time since the dialogues' first publication.

Work on this English-language edition of the dialogues began in 1984. A shortened English edition had been published in 1979 in a very small printing, but it became unavailable shortly thereafter. Upon consideration, it was decided to go back to the beginning and carefully work with Gitta, word by word, on the basis of the original handwritten Hungarian texts. This was to prove a laborious and time-consuming process, but a very rewarding one. Hanna conveyed from her inner ear to the Hungarian language and now this translation takes the dialogues one step further into English.

In numerous sessions in Willerzell, Einsiedeln and Gitta's Girardel, and with almost daily correspondence between these meetings, the new English edition slowly took form over the course of the next four years. Along the way, several fragments came to light that had been neglected or edited out of previous editions of the dialogues, and, as questions arose during the English-language formulation, explanatory notes were added.

After Gitta's devoted husband Laci died in 1982, she continued to live alone in the little farmhouse in Girardel. Then in 1988, just as the final proofs of this book were on their way to the printer, she suffered a nearly fatal accident: miraculously, her life was spared, but both arms were broken. She understood her survival to indicate that her earthly task had not yet been completed.

After her recuperation, Gitta went to live in a small cottage on a farm, close to young friends in the northeastern part of the country. Here she continued to have her all-important independent existence in her own little 'hermitage,' but without the at times almost total seclusion of her previous abode in the south. Her public speaking engagements became infrequent with increasing age, but she made the occasional trip by 'TGV' into Paris for ever larger audiences and continued to fulfil her task in a variety of angel-related projects and her far-reaching correspondence. She died in May of 1992.

What is it that makes Talking with Angels so gripping, so humanly appealing? For me, an important part of it is the naturalness with which these four ordinary young people - none of whom had ever had religious instruction - accepted the sudden appearance of 'angels' into their everyday existence. That this luminous and numinous event came just at the darkest hour of their lives is surely significant: it shows that possibilities for new ways and for transformation do come to us when there seems to be no way out - if only we are open to them.

The angels taught Gitta and her friends - and continue to teach us - that earthly existence is only a part of a whole: once we are aware of this, death is not something to be feared. As we become aware of the ever moving, the undogmatic - what the angels teach as Light -, we learn that not the eternally repetitive is eternal, but the eternally new. The angels tell us that the more light we are able to bear, the more aware we become and the closer we come to our 'peak,' the meeting point with our own angel. At the same time, our personal angel strives to descend from above and meet us at this same point. Thus, we are not alone in this endeavor, even if our way of going about it is very individual. Whatever way each of us goes through this experience is not of importance: only that we do so, each in his or her unique way. That is, for me, the essence and the inspiration of this book.

Gitta frequently and rightfully asserted that she was not the author of this text, but 'merely' the scribe. She considered it her task to make the dialogues available to others. When asked not long before her death, how she felt about the dialogues Gitta answered:

"You know, those words are like seeds that were sown by the angels. They lay dormant in the earth for 33 years. They finally broke through the hard crust of the surface for the first time in 1976 with the publication of the French Dialogues in Paris and from there, they spread like wildfire - no, like Lightfire. Now the new, the Springtime of humanity, is here - and these words represent a very real possibility for all."

The angels said:

WHAT COULD BE MORE NATURAL

THAN OUR TALKING WITH EACH OTHER?

May this book help many new dialogues to be born ...


R.H.
Willerzell, 1988, 1992;
revised November 1997

 

[Alana]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

I remember it made an impression the first time prayers for rain posted it and often thought of the four friends in the middle of the war talking to angels. Now reading the preface makes one want to read the whole thing. Thanks both Laura and PFR.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

The weird thing is their arrival. Just popping in and taking over a person without being called or asked? Did the group ask and made attempts to channel, or did those "angels" need no invitation?

 

[Laura]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

The weird thing is their arrival. Just popping in and taking over a person without being called or asked? Did the group ask and made attempts to channel, or did those "angels" need no invitation?

Yes, that is a concern on the surface; but one has to consider the circumstances. Perhaps the stress of the situation put each of them into a special state of "asking" inwardly all the time... I'm going to reserve judgment until I read the text.

 

[Adaryn]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

The weird thing is their arrival. Just popping in and taking over a person without being called or asked? Did the group ask and made attempts to channel, or did those "angels" need no invitation?

Actually, those 4 persons had no knowledge whatsoever of the paranormal, esotericism or channeling practices, they didn't practice any thing of the sort, and did'nt practice their respective religions either. I should add that each time, the channeling was made while the channeler was completely conscious (it was not a trance or a "disconnected" state).
From what I know of it, they didn't ask openly, orally, like : "what about doing channeling ?"; but from what the scribe, Gitta Mallasz, says in the book, they asked internally. They left their homes in Budapest and rented a house in the country, to be in a quiet environment to find answers to their questions (how to cope with the war, how to find a meaning, a sense in life with such evil and lies in the world...). So yes, they did ask. Gitta Mallasz said that she was waiting for something to happen, and when the "angels" talked through her friend for the first time, neither of them seemed surprised and just found it natural. All the story and the context of the "popping up" are explained in the introduction of the book (there are cheap paper versions on amazon.com, or ebook versions can be found here : http:/caliber.ucpress.net/action/doSearch?target=article&searchText=mallasz&filter=all&x=0&y=0 )

Anyway, this book had a strong impact on most people who have read it that I know (french people). But I'd much appreciate an objective view on it by members of this forum. So, whenever any member reads it, thanks for sharing your impressions.

Yes, that is a concern on the surface; but one has to consider the circumstances. Perhaps the stress of the situation put each of them into a special state of "asking" inwardly all the time...

yes, that seems to be what happened.

 

[Adaryn]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

Some more infos : the book has been adapted into a play by Shelley Mitchell (a few years ago) in 99 (Gitta Mallasz died in 1992). They've been performing it in universities and different institutes.
http://www.talkingwithangels.com/
http://www.shelleymitchell.org/

Talking with Angels has played in:
San Francisco-Carl Jung Inst., Traveling Jewish Theater, Actors Center of S.F., ODC Theater, California Institute of Integral Studies
New York-Milagro Theater
Buffalo - The Grail Association of America-conference
Phoneix-University of the 7 Rays - conference ***
Chicago-Carl Jung Inst.
Atlanta-Mythic Journeys conference in honor of Joseph Campbell
Santa Monica - Edgemar Studios

***Hmm, the "Phoneix-University of the 7 Rays" seems like a new age/cointelpro site : http://www(dot)sevenray(dot)net/
We just have to see if the book itself is disinformation ! I personally found it strong and powerful, and I found things so similar to what the C's said, in a totally different tone. But maybe I only see what I want to see cause I was impressed by that book and the whole story behind it. It's emotionally strong.
I admit some passages have disturbed me a bit, as well as the personal stories of the 4 persons (how the 3 jewish friends of Gitta Mallasz freely accepted to go to the camps, whereas they could have escaped it).
I think it's better to have read the whole book in order to have an overview. Quoting passages out of context, you won't get a clear picture, as the messages evolve according to the changes in the participants and the external circumstances, and relate to their particular states of mind and what they were going through at a particular moment.

 

[Laura]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

The book arrived. I don't have any spare time to just stop and read the whole thing now, but I did read afew pages. So far, it seems similar. Of course, I was not living in a Nazi occupied country, but I was in an intense questing mode for other reasons and that seems to have been the state of these individuals.

I look forward to reading the whole thing and will try to get a few pages a night just before going to bed. If I come across anything in particular, I'll report back.

 

[Adaryn]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

Thank you Laura !
Yes, the atmosphere one lives in, the particular situation, the sense of emergency, all that seems very good for the soul to ask and to learn faster than in a more "normal" situation... Which makes me think of our current situation and the potential Wave event. Somehow I see a relation with the situation at the time of the channeling reported in the book, and our own situation now.

 

[Laura]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

I haven't had two spare minutes to read anything other than what I HAVE to read for the site and the current book. Sorry. I will get to it, though!

 

[Azur]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

The weird thing is their arrival. Just popping in and taking over a person without being called or asked? Did the group ask and made attempts to channel, or did those "angels" need no invitation?

Yes, that is a concern on the surface; but one has to consider the circumstances. Perhaps the stress of the situation put each of them into a special state of "asking" inwardly all the time... I'm going to reserve judgment until I read the text.

Perhaps the stress of the situation put each of them into a special state of "asking" inwardly all the time...

This is a lynch pin, something that has been a rock in my shoe for a LONG time. What you say here is highly probable considering the state of affairs back then. But the thing is: they KNEW something was coming or happening that was horrible, and being externally powerless, quested inside as a last means.

The difference these days is that the "knowing something is coming" has been EXPERTLY concealed through effective social domestication that wasn't available or possible then. You ask people around you these days if they're afraid (not as in fear, but more of a question regarding how they would like to live) of the way things are going, and they either don't see it or couldn't care less if they do (which I assume to mean that they don't really see a problem).

The quote above is essentially how I ended up here in the first place. It is probably what has flushed most people here (and all over, searching) as well. But knowing the dire situation facing us, I doubt that those who have enriched their knowledge here would accept at face value a "visitation" such as is the situation presented in the book.

Seemingly, if only a small percentage of the populace sees that something is up, surely they would be as alarmed as these folks were at the time (and they must have been much more numerous in that earlier time), so you'd think that this pattern of seeking inwardly in these times might be something to be exploited, if it can be detected.

So it may be: a smaller group who sees, and quests internally, can be a target of "false" visitations/information, and also an effective receptor of fine information. Could it be that the thread of Ariadne is knowledge?

Apologies for detracting from this thread, but it felt important to record these thoughts.

Cheers.

 

[IamMarie]

Talking with Angels - a channeling experience during the 2nd WW

I just found this site. I was trying to find some English text for my American friend for I recommended him this Book.

First of All, this Book is Alive. Like the Bible. I observed the reactions of people and I was amazed by how the Book operated without even being read.

Facts:

1. I began to have the Very Same type of Teachings in 1986. I cant possibly tell all. It was first by something I saw for 3 months. Then on May 1986, 5th, began a series of visions. (a silver eagle with a motto, a black scroll, a crown, the Hammer as in free Masonry...) the visions stopped and they reappeared in the Sleep. Dreams are not the same as Visions in Sleep. In French, we got 2 words for dreams. one is "rêve" the other "songe" like in the bible.

Of course I could write a book about what is a dream, a vision, how it works.....it is very simple. But on internet, the Substance gets diluted. Of course I am supposed to write my book...

2. I found this book in 1992. Which is the Way I Know the Book is Alive. For my Dreams are Alive. Today, just amazingly, one dream was a Plane with a Pilot. He bombarded a house which I know is the cottage I am in UK. the house was in wood. I clearly saw the Pilot manoeuver.

Then the middle of the house was hit. I saw the Image of Christ like in a Wooden Painting. I knew it was the Sacre Coeur (the Sacred Heart of Jesus)....Christ is often appearing in my dreams. Although in the Book He is never Mentioned.

What is Astonishing is that in Feb. 19th, 1987, I made a most Enigmatic Dream with a Baby Hand, with Squares, the sentence "the Solution is ÖL"

so when I read the word here OL I was mute. For I forgot it meant "IL" "He". For the Absolute is the Father. And the Father is IL, He.

Instinctively, I always called God "He" for, like the Angel said, the word God has been Soiled by men in such a way, it sounds like "Dog"....which is weird for the same letters appear. I often am angry with God. Because I am an ignorant child. But I really cant admit the way people speak of Him. In the Book, He is slightly from a very remote distance, Making Himself Known to the 4. They were Terrified by the Sacred Intensity.

I am sure, Times are coming when we all will Feel As Terrified. In the Absolute Meaning of the Word. Even if the Father is Love, Men treat Him as their Monkey...so to say....and the Man is the Only Monkey I know. Always Copying and Pasting the Divine, and, in the end, destroying all.

3. I spoke about the Book to 3 muslim girls. They immediately were unable to stop reading the Book. It is the Absolute Proof. They read it in the office, absolutely like in trance. Why?

For this Book is Above Any Religion or Dogma. it is the Universal Absolute Truth applying to all men. I mean, the symbols in the Book are Universally understood. Christ is after all, the Son of God. God being the Absolute, I dont see why people dont understand that the Son is Absolute Concept and Energy. Even if one doesnt Believe in Christ as a Person, No One can pretend The Absolute Consciousness CANT have a Son. A Being, Force, Whatever, being the Child...

The muslims are very Sensitive to the Sacred. It is why one girl told me, "this Book made me Put myself into Question" . It was not a Christian book asking a muslim girl to understand Christ. It was a Living Book speaking to a Believer.

On the other hand, all my best friends "refused" to read the book. One was Christian, went to church, went to Lourdes.....Amazing. He was, I believe, afraid to be Hit.

For I was Hit by the Fire of the Spirit. Only a true believer can sense the difference between a fake guru and a true word.

When my mystical (and most painful) experience began, year after year, I found myself NATURALLY using the same style as in the Book. For once we enter the knowledge, anything is understood as a Teaching.

So, this is what I can say about this Book. As for the way Hannah warned her friends, she wasnt the speaker, I can Assure You, I fully understand what she meant.

For one day, I really Felt My Throat the way she did. When the Angel spoke through her, it was ENERGY.

I am not a guru, dont want to be. The Only Guru I know is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Which is really very easy to understand. You just need to think about a mother, a father and their child to get the Trinity Concept.

As for the OL, it has nothing to do with our concept of genders. Male is first a "Quality of Energy". It can be in a woman or a man.

The Father is called Him for the Male is His Main Quality as a Creator. Action. But for sure, He is Female Too. Love. Otherwise He couldnt possibly have created the woman who is supposed to represent this Love High Concept. Of course, a man can be much loving than a woman and vice versa.

Hope you got something. For I observed that Simple is most difficult to Explain. Simple is too Subtle. Words too Poor. (It is now 2 am in UK)