A Disturbance in the Force
JAFaura said:I can only offer what I own, which is the body of experience and understanding that my life has afforded me thus far and I can only ask for what you are willing to give. I would never be so presumptuous to offer up anyone else's experiences or understanding nor to assume what others might want or need. It is not that I think what I want or I understand or I feel is any more important or significant than what others want, understand, need or feel, it is simply that those are the only things I fully own and which I can fully offer.
I think you're missing the point, again.
j said:The fact that I do not reference Gurdjieff or Castañeda or others does not mean I am not familiar with their work or its importance.
Well, that's rather odd since up until now you've acted as if you were completely unaware of their work.
j said:Referencing them isn't er My understanding of Beelzebub's Tales is still quite murky as is my essential understanding of All and Everything and even Meetings with Remarkable Men has failed to bring a clear understanding of their practical applications nor only in the context to the Work, but in a much broader more expansive and ever-changing search for the meaning of objective truth.
Just to be clear, since you seem to be misunderstanding the point (which is that this forum serves a very specific purpose and to take part here, one must understand and at least theoretically agree with that idea enough to empty ones cup a little) it is not about referencing their work in what you write - it's about attitude, an understanding of basic premises and line of force. I find it very hard to believe that you've read Gurdjieff and understand the importance of that work when you so strongly disagreed with the idea that man's nature is wholly mechanical, as you stated in another post of yours. So, that doesn't add up.
j said:Yours, Laura's and others' perspectives on those and other works are of great value, but only if they are freely given.
Could you clarify what that means? It sounds rather paramoralistic to me, not to mention that it is suggesting that anything we do is not freely given.
j said:I regret that my lack of reference to these and other works have served to convey that I am unaware or unfamiliar with them, it was not my intent.
What is your intent?
j said:We will simply have to disagree as to whether that lack of reference is inconsiderate.
Not really, it is what it is, as they say.
j said:As I have made clear in every post and comment I have offered, I thank you and anyone else who affords me the consideration and time to comment or share, but I would never presume to impose on anyone to do so. That would indeed be inconsiderate.
That's a bit nonsensical considering your other posts on this forum, since words do not match actions. When words do not match actions, something is always afoot...