The condition of stuttering/stammering

Hi 3D Resident,

I've just finished to read the thread because a friend of mine has a moderate condition of stuttering/stammering and I wanted to learn something about this topic.

After reading Redfox's commentary about pipe breathing a thought crossed my mind and I was wondering if EE could be positive for the subject that it is being discused.

Thank you all for your input.
 
HI 3D Resident,

I just wanted to share one more possible avenue of treatment of stammering\stuttering: homeopathy. Arsenicum, Aconite or Stramonium are considered standard treatment, but it's best if a specialist picks out the best-matching medicine for you, and gives you a higher dosage that may be available from the natural food store. This what I used for my daughter when she had episodes of stammering.

fwiw,
 
Interestingly, some cases of stuttering have been linked to identifications and semantic blockages in the stutterer with regard to evaluating (certain) other people and in reacting to them. Example: Neuro-semanticly, a stutterer had identified a photograph of a particular person AS the person and reacted with increased stuttering.

One research project involving 46 stuttering children found that not only did a clear distinction needed to be made between non-fluency and stuttering (before this is brought to the attention of the child), but that there were noticable differences in the home environment between expectations imposed on the child and their actual abilities of the moment, and a lack of affection and understanding that would create a calming, supportive environment.

Some observations that were made:

1. Practically every case of stuttering was originally diagnosed not by a speech expert, but by a layman (one or both parents)

2. What these laymen had diagnosed was, by and large, indistinguishable from the hesitations and repetitions known to be characteristic of the normal speech of young children.

3. Stuttering at its onset is found to be remarkably different in the adult.

4. Stuttering children were found not to be retarded in their development.

5. Practically all the children, after having been diagnosed, developed overt speech behavior that was unusual in some degree and of clinical importance.

On the whole, the environment of the child was considered to be a very important factor. For instance, it was common for the parents of the 'stuttering' child to be holding the child to high standards of speech as an expression of the parents' perfectionism generally. Children were found to be held to abnormally high standards with regard to social issues such as table manners, toilet habits, obedience, etc. The full list of requirements, demands and 'forbidden things' directed at the child was truly impressive to the researchers.

So, all things considered, it appears as if stuttering children are 'created' by mis-reading certain signs in our children and then 'educating' them as to what we mean by 'stuttering' so that the child understands more about how to BE a stutterer (my words).

But this is just one view of a phenomenom that could have other explanations.

REF: "People in Quandries", Wendell Johnson, Harper and Row, 1946, 1989
Also: W. Johnson, "A Semantic Theory of Stuttering,"
Eugene Hahn, "Stuttering: Significant Theories and Therapies," Stanford University, CA, Stanford University Press, 1943.
 
E, thanks for that. I do often remind myself that there are millions of people out there who are worse off than me, or in the same boat as me, and yet have somehow managed to overcome their problems. (And of course being a regular reader of SOTT how could I forget that there are billions of people worse off than me in terms of their financial and sociopolitical situation). The guy I spoke to had a far worse stutter than I do, and yet is a university lecturer! I feel guilty for feeling so "disabled" when these people have managed to overcome things that are worse than what I have. And yet I also realise that every person has so many different issues layered on top of the more obvious issues that you can't really compare two people with the same disability. For example, the lecturer guy obviously had more confidence than me, so that would help him hugely in facing his problem.


miguel said:
Hi 3D Resident,

I've just finished to read the thread because a friend of mine has a moderate condition of stuttering/stammering and I wanted to learn something about this topic.

After reading Redfox's commentary about pipe breathing a thought crossed my mind and I was wondering if EE could be positive for the subject that it is being discused.

Thank you all for your input.


Hi miguel, yes I mentioned in my original post pipe breathing and the possibility of the EE program being beneficial. Since I do indeed believe there are deep psycho-emotional issues at work, I can see how the EE program would ultimately help.

Hildegarda said:
HI 3D Resident,

I just wanted to share one more possible avenue of treatment of stammering\stuttering: homeopathy. Arsenicum, Aconite of Stramonium are considered standard treatment, but it's best if a specialist picks out the best-matching medicine for you, and gives you a higher dosage that may be available from the natural food store. This what I used for my daughter when she had episodes of stammering.

fwiw,


Years ago I considered homeopathy, but couldn't seem to find anything related to speech. I will certainly look more into this, thanks.

Buddy said:
Interestingly, some cases of stuttering have been linked to identifications and semantic blockages in the stutterer with regard to evaluating (certain) other people and in reacting to them. Example: Neuro-semanticly, a stutterer had identified a photograph of a particular person AS the person and reacted with increased stuttering.

One research project involving 46 stuttering children found that not only did a clear distinction needed to be made between non-fluency and stuttering (before this is brought to the attention of the child), but that there were noticable differences in the home environment between expectations imposed on the child and their actual abilities of the moment, and a lack of affection and understanding that would create a calming, supportive environment.

Some observations that were made:

1. Practically every case of stuttering was originally diagnosed not by a speech expert, but by a layman (one or both parents)

2. What these laymen had diagnosed was, by and large, indistinguishable from the hesitations and repetitions known to be characteristic of the normal speech of young children.

3. Stuttering at its onset is found to be remarkably different in the adult.

4. Stuttering children were found not to be retarded in their development.

5. Practically all the children, after having been diagnosed, developed overt speech behavior that was unusual in some degree and of clinical importance.

On the whole, the environment of the child was considered to be a very important factor. For instance, it was common for the parents of the 'stuttering' child to be holding the child to high standards of speech as an expression of the parents' perfectionism generally. Children were found to be held to abnormally high standards with regard to social issues such as table manners, toilet habits, obedience, etc. The full list of requirements, demands and 'forbidden things' directed at the child was truly impressive to the researchers.

So, all things considered, it appears as if stuttering children are 'created' by mis-reading certain signs in our children and then 'educating' them as to what we mean by 'stuttering' so that the child understands more about how to BE a stutterer (my words).

But this is just one view of a phenomenom that could have other explanations.

REF: "People in Quandries", Wendell Johnson, Harper and Row, 1946, 1989
Also: W. Johnson, "A Semantic Theory of Stuttering,"
Eugene Hahn, "Stuttering: Significant Theories and Therapies," Stanford University, CA, Stanford University Press, 1943.

Thanks for that Buddy. I know that when certain people phone me, my speech very quickly deteriorates. If it's someone else, my speech will be better. The same applies to speaking with them in person. My stutter was diagnosed by my parents and possibly my preschool teacher. It's interesting that a child's stutter seems to get worse once that child "knows" he or she is a "stutterer" through diagnosis. It illustrates the power of the mind and its ability to self-limit. But my parents never held me to high standards of speech or anything else really, so I don't know why I developed a stutter. As I mentioned earlier, I have 3 or 4 uncles who stutter, though none of them seem to have it as severely as I do, in terms of blocking on certain letters and then getting into a terrible panic about it.

For years I have been researching on and off for possible causes, but have come no closer. It truly is a mysterious condition and I do believe that on a soul level, something is "out of whack". I believe that most stutterers have a pre-disposition to stutter due to a combination of genetics and "soul genetics" (remember the Cs who said that soul marries with genetics), but that a certain environment is required for that pre-disposition to manifest. So with that hypothesis, the EE program should help.
 
3D Resident said:
For years I have been researching on and off for possible causes, but have come no closer. It truly is a mysterious condition and I do believe that on a soul level, something is "out of whack". I believe that most stutterers have a pre-disposition to stutter due to a combination of genetics and "soul genetics" (remember the Cs who said that soul marries with genetics), but that a certain environment is required for that pre-disposition to manifest. So with that hypothesis, the EE program should help.

Hi 3D Resident. I do sympathize with you and others who have this condition, but I'm wondering if you are thinking about the way you are thinking about this issue? I mean, on the one hand, its a complete mystery to you but on the other hand, you have a belief about it?

May I ask where this belief comes from and if there is an emotional component to it? Or do you mean "I believe..." in the sense of just speculation?

I was reminded of a couple of places in the Wave where Laura makes some points about the power of beliefs in our lives:

[quote author=http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13e.htm]

...we create our own reality by what we BELIEVE. And what we believe very often directs our thoughts in exactly the opposite direction [of that we wish to manifest] in order to create balance.[/quote]


[quote author=http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13j.htm]
Taking this "key" literally, if a person has problems or feels "attacked" or is suffering in any way, they have only to search their own mind to discover that they are holding on to a belief or an assumption that is an obsession. I have found this to be true in my own life, as well as the lives of others. If there are problems, illness, difficulties of all kinds, then one is obsessed in some way with a false belief. No exceptions.[/quote]

Granted, these quotes are out of context, and there are others that could better apply, yet they may serve to point out a possibility of missing clues or the answer itself, if it presents itself to you, if you're looking in another direction.

You may find this helpful:

The Project Gutenberg EBook: "Stammering, Its Cause and Cure"; Author: Bogue, Benjamin Nathaniel, Subject: Stuttering; Release Date: July, 2003; Not copyrighted in the United States.
(Benjamin Nathaniel Bogue is described as a Chronic Stammerer for Almost Twenty Years; Originator of the Bogue Unit Method of Restoring Perfect Speech; Founder of the Bogue Institute for Stammerers and Editor of the "Emancipator," a magazine devoted to the Interests of Perfect Speech)

_http://www.gutenberg.org/files/4256/4256-h/4256-h.htm

CONTENTS
Preface

PART I—MY LIFE AS A STAMMERER
I. Starting Life Under a Handicap
II. My First Attempt to Be Cured
III. My Search Continues
IV. A Stammerer Hunts a Job
V. Further Futile Attempts to Be Cured
VI. I Refuse to Be Discouraged
VII. The Benefit of Many Failures
VIII. Beginning Where Others Had Left Off


PART II—STAMMERING AND STUTTERING
The Causes, Peculiarities, Tendencies and Effects
I. Speech Disorders Defined
II. The Causes of Stuttering and Stammering
III. The Peculiarities of Stuttering and Stammering
IV. The Intermittent Tendency
V. The Progressive Tendency
VI. Can Stammering and Stuttering Be Outgrown?
VII. The Effect on the Mind
VIII. The Effect on the Body
IX. Defective Speech in Children, (1) The Pre-Speaking Period
X. Defective Speech in Children, (2) The Formative Period
XI. Defective Speech in Children, (3) The Speech-Setting Period
XII. The Speech Disorders of Youth
XIII. Where Does Stammering Lead?

PART III—THE CURE OF STAMMERING AND STUTTERING
I. Can Stammering Really Be Cured?
II. Cases That "Cure Themselves"
III. Cases That Cannot Be Cured
IV. Can Stammering Be Cured by Mail?
V. The Importance of Expert Diagnosis
VI. The Secret of Curing Stuttering and Stammering
VII. The Bogue Unit Method Described
VIII. Some Cases I Have Met


PART IV—SETTING THE TONGUE FREE
I. The Joy of Perfect Speech
II. How to Determine Whether You Can Be Cured
III. The Bogue Guarantee and What It Means
IV. The Cure Is Permanent
V. A Priceless Gift—An Everlasting Investment
VI. The Home of Perfect Speech
VII. My Mother and The Home Life at the Institute
VIII. A Heart-to-Heart Talk with Parents
IX. The Dangers of Delay
 
Judging from this book’s index, it looks like a great book. It reminds me of “only someone who has already escaped from prison can show others how”, just in a slightly different context here, an ex-stutterer showing others to 'escape'. I also like that he stuttered for twenty years.

I’ve have been thinking of this thread, and it does bother me that you see it as a disability.

3D said:
I have to not feel ashamed about a problem that is no fault of my own, just like someone born deaf should not feel ashamed that they have difficulty hearing.

3D said:
However, society appears to be far less understanding of people who stutter than they are of those who are deaf, or those who have Asperger's, or any other recognised disability you can think of.

Because for a deaf person there is no cure, he/she must learn to adapt with the condition. Same with the Aspergers syndrome that you mentioned. You liken your condition to conditions that are permanent, and are disabilities.

It’s almost as if you’re throwing in the towel on recovering, and considering it your burden with which you have to live with.

Your problem can be temporary. It can be overcome. It can be something of the past. Start 'believing' that.
 
Thanks for that book reference Buddy. It'll be just another book of the many I've already tried, some of which are more useful than others. Don't think I'm being cynical in saying this; I just can't get my hopes up too high.

Buddy said:
Hi 3D Resident. I do sympathize with you and others who have this condition, but I'm wondering if you are thinking about the way you are thinking about this issue? I mean, on the one hand, its a complete mystery to you but on the other hand, you have a belief about it?

May I ask where this belief comes from and if there is an emotional component to it? Or do you mean "I believe..." in the sense of just speculation?

Yes, it's a complete mystery to me and to just about every scientist out there who has studied the phenomenon. And this is precisely why I had to resort to constructing beliefs, or speculations, because I can't see any other alternative. But I don't think it's a random, illogical belief since the Hermetic maxim has always been, "as above, so below", and so it stands to reason that what is wrong in 3D might well have a cause in a higher density.

Those quotes you provided from Laura do make perfect sense, but I don't think they necessarily apply to the condition of stuttering, because stuttering is more than likely just as clinical as depression or many other genetic disorders that are largely beyond one's control. This leads me to the next part of my post:

E said:
I’ve have been thinking of this thread, and it does bother me that you see it as a disability.

Because for a deaf person there is no cure, he/she must learn to adapt with the condition. Same with the Aspergers syndrome that you mentioned. You liken your condition to conditions that are permanent, and are disabilities.

It’s almost as if you’re throwing in the towel on recovering, and considering it your burden with which you have to live with.

Your problem can be temporary. It can be overcome. It can be something of the past. Start 'believing' that.

This just goes to show that you haven't fully grasped the condition and DISABILITY that is stuttering. You should really go and do some proper research before making further ill-informed comments. I take offence that you seem to think that stuttering is in some way less debilitating than Asperger's, or deafness, or any other recognised disability. It is precisely this ignorant attitude that has kept stutterers from functioning as normal human beings in society. You are implying that it is ultimately their fault. People have killed themselves because they were never able to express themselves due to their stutter, and because they were made fun of and thought of as retarded.

For SOME people, stuttering is temporary. For the vast majority of stutterers, it is a life-long condition that can be managed, but never cured, and in either case, it has the potential to limit them, to varying degrees of severity, from leading normal lives. It is the variable nature of stuttering which has made it so difficult to understand, unlike deafness, which has one root cause. But just because the cause of stuttering is unknown, that doesn't automatically disqualify it from being a disability. So it actually bothers me that it bothers you that I see it as a disability, when all the objective evidence out there says that this is precisely what it can be. I encourage you to look at some YouTube videos and see the truth behind this condition.
 
3D Resident said:
This just goes to show that you haven't fully grasped the condition and DISABILITY that is stuttering. You should really go and do some proper research before making further ill-informed comments. I take offence that you seem to think that stuttering is in some way less debilitating than Asperger's, or deafness, or any other recognised disability. It is precisely this ignorant attitude that has kept stutterers from functioning as normal human beings in society. You are implying that it is ultimately their fault. People have killed themselves because they were never able to express themselves due to their stutter, and because they were made fun of and thought of as retarded.

3D Resident, I think your comments to E are out of line. I think it would be beneficial for you to stop and deeply examine the extent of your identification with stuttering. You are identified with it and it is affecting your judgment and behavior in this case.
 
You should calm down, 3D. I don't have to be a stutterer to realize how debilitating the condition must be, the same way I don't have to be deaf or blind to put myself in such a person's shoes.

3D said:
You are implying that it is ultimately their fault.

Not sure how you come to this conclusion.

3D said:
You should really go and do some proper research before making further ill-informed comments.

I posted in this thread with the best of intentions. Clearly it wasn't received that well...

Go well.
 
anart said:
3D Resident, I think your comments to E are out of line. I think it would be beneficial for you to stop and deeply examine the extent of your identification with stuttering. You are identified with it and it is affecting your judgment and behavior in this case.

You are right. Apologies if I offended you E. After posting last night, I then did the full breathing program, during which time it occurred to me that yes, my comments were the result of a deep identification with stuttering. The offence I took is a clear indication of self-importance. I actually had to do a telephone interview today, so that probably explains, but of course does not excuse, my "moody" response.

So once again E, I am deeply sorry, fwiw, and I know that you only posted with the best of intentions.

I will also confess that as I wrote that post, I was in two minds. One of my minds said, "you're being overly reactionary, you're taking offence which means you have issues of self-importance". The other mind (predator's) said, "just go ahead and post your feelings and don't worry about the consequences". Alas, that latter mind won out. And I also think a third part of me (which part, I don't know) chose to go with the latter mind to see what comments I'd receive, because I knew it would expose my programs once people pointed them out to me.
 
Hi 3D Resident. I just wanted to share something with you that may help someone else as well.
One important thing I've learned from recapitulation is 'mapping' and something I learned from General Semantics is the importance of accurate correspondence between the map and the territory. That is, to be as accurate as is possible considering the 'map' and the 'territory' represent two different levels of abstraction.

One possible way out of emotional identification with this issue at certain times, could be to let your awareness expand in order to accomodate more and more information that is present during a stuttering 'incident,' similar to the way a pupil dilates to accomodate more and more light.

Regarding the last two times you stuttered: what time was it? Where were you geographically? Were you inside or outside some shelter? What internal conditions were you under? Consider stress levels, what you wanted to say, how bad you wanted to say it, what was the subject, what were the words/sounds/letters you stumbled over, who were you talking to, was it raining, how was the temperature, what were you wearing, what were they wearing, what points of view were involved, what was any sub-text going on, etc.,etc.

By doing your best to keep these blanks filled in and recapitulating the time of life when this 'all' started, you could possibly get some insights or answers.

Regarding the issue of Identification and balling up similarities while dropping out differences, here's a quote that you or someone else might find helpful (or not):

[quote author=People in Quandries]

NON-ALLNESS

There are two other fundamental premises closely related to the one we have been discussing. The first of these may be stated as "A is not all A." This is much more understandable in its more specific form, "the word does not represent all the object," or "the map does not represent all the territory." This premise expresses the fundamental notion that abstracting is a process of leaving out details. One can never say all about anything, just as one can never observe all of anything. This may be succinctly stated as the premise of non-allness.

It is supplementary to the premise of non-identity.
In terms of ordinary human behavior, the law of identity tends to generate an attitude of allness, a way of evaluating an abstract as if it were not an abstract but as if it were, rather, all there were to be evaluated. This is to be seen generally in connection with rumor or gossip. People evaluate second-, or fifth-, or tenth-hand statements (abstracts) as if they were sufficient and conclusive. They form judgments of the individuals concerned, and even take action, often with grave consequences, on the basis of such high-order abstracts.

Urging people not to spread rumor, appealing to their "sense of fairness," etc., usually is quite ineffective, since the basic orientation of identity makes it practically inevitable that people so orientated will identify different levels of abstraction, and quite "innocently" react to high and low levels as though they were alike. It is not that gossipmongers are inherently "bad," "vicious," etc. In a sense, they are simply uneducated (no matter how much schooling they have had).

Unconscious of abstracting, unaware of the differences and relations among levels of abstraction, they mistake high-order inferences for first-order descriptions, and descriptions for facts, and "facts" (as personally abstracted) for realities. They do not maliciously mean to do this. Doing it is simply an integral aspect of an identity orientation. All the preaching and teaching on earth, including threats of punishment and death and promises of heaven, are essentially powerless against it, unless that teaching results in a basic orientation to non-identity and the supplementary non-allness.

Individuals thoroughly trained to non-identity and non-allness do not suppress their impulses to indulge in gossip. They just don't have such impulses. They have not learned, lo and behold, how to be good. They have simply become conscious of their abstracting processes. Like Pooh Bear a few pages back, they have got wise to themselves. They have learned that what they say is not what they say it about, and that what they look at is not what they see.

The moralist would say they have achieved tolerance and understanding, or that they have been "reborn," or have "found the light." The fact is that they have learned the difference between a signal and a symbol. An abstract, evaluated as such, is recognized as a symbol. A symbol represents something other than itself, and a symbol reaction is a reaction that is made not to the symbol directly, but to the something else which it represents or symbolizes.

A rumor evaluated as an abstract, and so as a symbol, is not reacted to directly. What is reacted to are the facts back of, or supposedly represented by, the rumor. And if no facts can be found, no reaction is forthcoming. There is no mysterious "sense of fairness," or "strength of character," or "inhibition," or "will power" involved. It is simply that no adequate stimulus to action is found, so no reaction is made.
On the other hand, a rumor evaluated not as an abstract, and therefore not as a symbol, but as a fact, tends to be reacted to directly, as though it were a signal. And to signals, we tend to react, as do animals, in relatively undelayed, thoughtless, stereotyped ways.

Thus, insofar as words or statements are evaluated as signals rather than as symbols, our reactions to them tend to become abnormally prompt, unreflective, and pathologically consistent. We become hoop-jumpers, responding faithfully and in set patterns to the words and slogans that are thrown at us. We can be depended upon like so many trained seals. Levels of abstraction are identified by us, and the words we hear or read are all that is required to get us to react. Under such conditions, when symbols become signals, it is fatefully true, as Korzybski has stressed, that "those who rule the symbols rule you."

Identity and allness go hand in hand, as do non-identity and non-allness. If rumor (macroscopic) is rumor (description) is rumor (inference), then rumor (inference) is all that is required for a reaction to rumor (macroscopic). If rumor (inference) is not rumor (macroscopic) one cannot react promptly and in a stereotyped manner to rumor (inference)- One must wait and find out what there is to react to as rumor (description) or, better, as rumor (macroscopic)- And even this latter will not be reacted to except as it is understood to be an abstract of rumor (submicroscopic), and so not absolutely dependable.

If, for example, stutterer1 is stutterer2 is stutterer3, etc., if a stutterer is a stutterer, then all one needs to know in order to react to an individual is that he is a stutterer, and the reaction will be made quickly, with relatively no delay, since essentially the same reaction is to be made to stutterer1 as to any other stutterer. But if stutterer1 is not stutterer2, one cannot react to the label with prompt finality; one must know more than the fact that the individual is called a stutterer. He may be also the King of England or the Russian Foreign Commissar. He may even be, by any ordinary standards, a normal speaker.

All this may sound so much like common sense and common knowledge that it would appear necessary to guard against the deceptive illusion of utter familiarity. To say, "That is nothing new" is all too often to say, in effect, "I have stopped learning about that." It is one of our most common and effectively paralyzing ways of expressing an attitude of allness. To call something "old stuff" frequently indicates nothing about what we so label; rather, it reveals simply that we do not intend to make any effort to increase our knowledge, to improve our understanding, or to change our habits. "Old stuff" means, "I know it all already." An attitude of this kind—"You can't tell me anything about that"—has an effect quite similar to that of a pus sac in the brain.

What there is for most of us to learn, beyond what we already know, about non-allness is simply that an ever-clear awareness of non-allness as a principle provides us with greater assurance that we will behave as if we knew that our knowledge and our statements are never complete and final. This consciousness of non-allness is part of the "know-how" of adequate behavior. And "know-what" without "know-how" is generally futile.

The case of Henry is a good illustration of this. Henry was a behavior problem. Everyone who was supposed to deal with him finally gave up and called in a psychologist. The psychologist came, examined the school records, talked long and in detail with Henry's teachers, his school superintendent, his distraught parents. He talked with Henry, he gave him tests, he observed him at work and at play. Then he called Henry into private conference and delivered his considered judgment: "Henry," he said, "you've simply got to control your temper."
Henry blew up. "Control your temper! Control your temper! My pa and ma have told me that, over and over again. My teachers have all told me that, my superintendent, the preacher, everybody, they've all told me I have to control my temper. Now you tell me. Listen. Just how in hell do you control your temper?"

It is useless, sometimes to the point of disaster, to know something without knowing how to act as though you knew it. The purpose of being clearly aware of basic principles, such as those of non-identity and non-allness, is that they make for more intelligent, adaptive regulation of one's behavior than any rules of thumb and routine habits ever could. They provide one with an important measure of know-how.[/quote]

Wendell Johnson, PEOPLE IN QUANDARIES, Harper & Row, 1989, p180-183
 
3D said:
Apologies if I offended you E.

It's fine. I assumed it was a response out of frustration, amongst other things. Just as a last note; I'm a believer of "whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve", and that's basically was where I was coming from. The mind's powerful.
 
E said:
You will notice that if you speak much slower and calmly, you will be able to pronounce each word perfectly (without cutting it off and rushing), instead of trying to get it over and done with as quickly as possible (before you're interrupted). Even if you speak so slowly that it seems strange or even embarrassing to you. I mean you don't stutter when you sing or speak really slowly, so it's not a physical problem. Don't be impatient with yourself when it's your turn to speak, start enjoying your 'moment' calmly and patiently. My ex used to tell me that while he spoke, he knew long in advance which word would be an obstacle, and then he would find a replacement before he got there. I don't think that's the solution, because when I asked him to say that specific word on it's own, slowly, he did it easily. Again proving it's not a physical problem. By now the fear of stuttering is so engrained in you, that the anxiety before you even open your mouth doesn't help the situation.

[...]

Don't know if you're a smoker, but if you are and you have that anxiety before you start speaking, take a drag, pretend to ponder your reply, and calmly respond. The 'not rushing' and rambling off a sentence is the main thing, because you sense the uncomfortableness in your audience as well, adding to your anxiety. If you speak slowly and sense your audience's relaxed state, enjoyment and interest in your opinion, you will start enjoying expressing yourself again.

Thank you, E, for this advice. I can relate to it. I have a very mild stuttering problem too. I observed that it comes to the fore in moments of emotional anxiety or insecurity, e.g. when I am publicly taken aback by a question I know no response to. When I perceive 'devouring' from others. Then I can feel that the chemicals in the brain go to overdrive and hinder clear speech. It could be that it is conditioned somewhere in early childhood, or based on a false personality aspect, it is really persistent and stubborn. In other situations I have no problems at all, even when standing in front of a class and teaching! So, it could very well be emotional, and not physical.

And your possible explanation of the reason of stuttering strikes a chord in me: that you unconsciously re-experience the many moments where you were interrupted and silenced by a narcissistic person when you wanted to utter something personally important.

By the way, in todays SOTTs BOW (Best of the Web) you can see Al Gore standing in front of the congress and stuttering in a particular moment, when he also was taken aback by an 'inconvenient question'.
 
Thanks for posting a quote from that book Buddy, that was really useful (another one to add to my reading list).

I just wanted to add a recent post by Windmill Knight that seems to hit the nail on the head in regards to stammering among other things (at least to my understanding).

From the thread Thought Loops

Windmill knight said:
I just stumbled upon this thread. In the matter of negative thought loops, I have found very useful the idea of dissociation to explain them.

I recently read a book on the subject and it explains that what the human mind seeks the most is order. One way to achieve a sense of order out of a chaotic and frightening world is to dissociate, which can happen in many ways, some pretty obvious (like tv or music) and others not so obvious. The book argues that many forms of mental illness - if not all - are extreme forms of dissociation. For example, obsessive compulsive disorder, in which the mind dissociates from reality by occupying itself with obsessive order and tidiness.

Or paranoia, in which the mind, rather than facing the vast unknowns and dangers of reality, prefers to create, or focus and exaggerate a single manageable threat, even if it suffers while dissociating into this delusion.

Or bulimia and anorexia. The obsession of eating disorders is an attempt of the mind to have something to control as a way to dissociate from life. Some mental illnesses are specific to certain cultures because they relate to cultural taboos and fears, like bulimia. Another example: some Native Americans suffer from 'windigo', which is a form of mad cannibalism, because the cultural taboo against eating human flesh is very strong. So, paradoxically, the unconscious mind, rather than live under the constant pressure and fear of life, obsesses with a very strong taboo, until it decides to flee further into dissociation by becoming that which it fears the most. The mind would rather live in the 'controlled' (from an unconscious level) and predictable misery of such a delusion than face reality! The content of the delusion is actually secondary in importance for the unconscious mind; what it achieves in terms of dissociation is what fuels it.

Mental illnesses aside, I think this theory goes a long way in explaining many negative thought loops and obsessions, which we could say are mild forms of mental illness. When we are stuck into a negative thought loop that is only making us suffer and will not leave us alone, we are dissociating! Because the mind would rather have this sense of 'order' than face the complex, unpredictable, fearsome, threatening and largely unknown reality. How it manages to dissociate is just instrumental to the purpose of escaping from reality into a predictable and well known fantasy (or thought loop).

So in many cases, I think that negative thought loops will become more manageable, or perhaps go away completely, if we realize that the thought that is obsessing us is not important in itself, and that in reality our mind has simply found an excuse to dissociate - in a way that makes us miserable. Realize that if the mind needs dissociation, there are less destructive forms than negative thought loops.

[Edited for clarification]


3D Resident said:
This just goes to show that you haven't fully grasped the condition and DISABILITY that is stuttering.

I am (or was 'diagnosed' as being) mildly dyslexic and dyspraxic (use to have problems with fine motor control/coordination and had no short term memory at all), which I put down partly to being starved of oxygen at birth.
For years I hated the idea that I was different (and identified with being a Victim).....later this changed to accepting I was 'disabled' (whilst still identifying with being a Victim) and I wore it like a badge of honour. Having learnt to Not be a victim (and clearing all the emotional traumas hidden under the Victim program) has removed the need to be labeled as 'disabled'....I am just me (and occasionally have problems with spelling/coordination and memory).

So looking at the thoughts and feelings behind the need to have stammering 'recognised' as a disability may be covering up a victim program (strong identification with a label/behaviour that one seems powerless to control....control of self being placed on/given too external persons or the universe at large)...fwiw
 
Data said:
I have a very mild stuttering problem too. I observed that it comes to the fore in moments of emotional anxiety or insecurity, e.g. when I am publicly taken aback by a question I know no response to. When I perceive 'devouring' from others. Then I can feel that the chemicals in the brain go to overdrive and hinder clear speech. It could be that it is conditioned somewhere in early childhood, or based on a false personality aspect, it is really persistent and stubborn. In other situations I have no problems at all


I can relate to this as well, in a slightly different situation. English is my second language, and by this time I speak it pretty fluently and feel comfortable in an English-speaking environment. Yet, sometimes when I am talking to certain people, I become very conscious of my accent, doubt my choice of words and have trouble stringing a sentence together. During this times, my brain feels foggy and my tongue feels stick in my mouth.

Over time, I noticed that it is always the contact with one of the two types of people that can send me into this state. One is a sales clerk who has an accent of his\her own. Earlier on, when my knowledge of English was poor, I had some negative experiences of "attitude" in stores from people who seemed, in all honesty, only marginally better off, English-wise, then I was. Must have been either job stress or self-importance due to being in the position of authority, for them -- from what I now understand. The other type of mouth-freezing situation for me is talking to another woman of a particular type: a "salt-of-the-earth", phlegmatic, simple mainstream mom. In this case, I feel that I struggle too hard to relate to the person and maintain the conversation, while she makes no corresponding effort yet -- I feel -- judges me in silence as being different, weird, a "foreigner".

You are right that those reactions have root in either early memories (childhood ones or from other sensitive period) or self-identifications. The discussion in this thread has been very helpful for me too.
 

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