The Ice Age Cometh! Forget Global Warming!

[Tomiro]

Read this article today, claiming that southern Finland was mostly ice free during the beginning of the last ice age. Still there seems to be quite a lot of unknown factors to it.
_http://hbl.fi/2013-10-27/517981/finland-var-mest-isfritt-under-istiden

Finland was under ice for thousands of years, but parts of the country was free of ice for thousands of years at the beginning of the last ice age. Reijo Pitkäranta thesis nuance the perception of ice early spread.

The ice sheet did not reach southern Finland during the 40 000 first years of the last ice age . The ice crept down to Sydösterbotten but neither east or south from the area around present Kristinestad. According to geologist Reijo Pitkäranta dissertation examined at the University of Turku in the week.

- My results confirm what we have known from the past, but they also nuance the picture of the ice spread, he says.

What is known previously, is that the last ice age began about 115,000 years ago, the ice reached Finland from the west and north , and that it eventually crept southwards and eastwards. The ice covered the entire Fennoscandia , the Baltic countries and the Baltic coast in the final stages before it retreated about 10,000 years ago.

Pitkäranta's contribution to research is the knowledge that ice masses took plenty of time before they flooded into the Gulf of Bothnia. From Ice Age beginning up until 74,000 years ago the ice left southern Finland untouched, aside from the West Coast.

Over the millennia the climate varied in the south from what it is here today to what it is in the mountain region today. Fossil hazel bushes testify that it was pretty mild in between, but there are also signs of permafrost from the period when Finland was not under the ice.

Pitkaranta have researched Suupohja, then Swedish Sydösterbotten plus the nearest Finnish neighboring municipalities in the interior. He states that the ice at the beginning of the Vistula reached there but did not spread beyond that until 74 000 years ago, possibly only 55 000 years ago.

- It looks like the ice edge just reached to Sydbotten, he says.

Glacier Lips move and rub against the ground more than ice masses middle parts. It has left traces which Pitkaranta analyzed .
He can read the ice movement by studying the mountain and soil layers. But neither he nor his colleagues can reliably establish the pace and extent of how the ice spread out later, and how the development went in the next few tens of thousands of years.

- There has been a lot of research into it, but many questions still remain , he says.

However, we know that ice extent was really great at the end of the Ice Age , ie for between 25,000 and 10,000 years ago.

- The ice covered the whole of Finland for at least fifteen to twenty thousand years at the end of the Vistula . When the ice cover was at its greatest, it stretched it all the way down to Northern Germany.

 

[Laura]

Real risk of a Maunder minimum 'Little Ice Age' says leading scientist

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/Real-risk-of-a-Maunder-minimum-Little-Ice-Age-says-leading-scientist

Monday 28 October 2013

Paul Hudson

It’s known by climatologists as the ‘Little Ice Age’, a period in the 1600s when harsh winters across the UK and Europe were often severe.

The severe cold went hand in hand with an exceptionally inactive sun, and was called the Maunder solar minimum.

Now a leading scientist from Reading University has told me that the current rate of decline in solar activity is such that there’s a real risk of seeing a return of such conditions.

I’ve been to see Professor Mike Lockwood to take a look at the work he has been conducting into the possible link between solar activity and climate patterns.

According to Professor Lockwood the late 20th century was a period when the sun was unusually active and a so called ‘grand maximum’ occurred around 1985.

Since then the sun has been getting quieter.

By looking back at certain isotopes in ice cores, he has been able to determine how active the sun has been over thousands of years.

Following analysis of the data, Professor Lockwood believes solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years.

He found 24 different occasions in the last 10,000 years when the sun was in exactly the same state as it is now - and the present decline is faster than any of those 24.

Based on his findings he’s raised the risk of a new Maunder minimum from less than 10% just a few years ago to 25-30%.

And a repeat of the Dalton solar minimum which occurred in the early 1800s, which also had its fair share of cold winters and poor summers, is, according to him, ‘more likely than not’ to happen.

He believes that we are already beginning to see a change in our climate - witness the colder winters and poor summers of recent years - and that over the next few decades there could be a slide to a new Maunder minimum.

It’s worth stressing that not every winter would be severe; nor would every summer be poor. But harsh winters and unsettled summers would become more frequent.

Professor Lockwood doesn’t hold back in his description of the potential impacts such a scenario would have in the UK.

He says such a change to our climate could have profound implications for energy policy and our transport infrastructure.

Although the biggest impact of such solar driven change would be regional, like here in the UK and across Europe, there would be global implications too.

A: Climate is being influenced by three factors, and soon a fourth.

Q: (Laura) All right, I'll take the bait; give me the three factors, and
also the fourth!.

A: 1) Wave approach. 2) Chloroflorocarbon increase in atmosphere, thus
affecting ozone layer. 3) Change in the planet's axis rotation
orientation. 4) Artificial tampering by 3rd and 4th density
STS forces in a number of different ways. ...

Q: (Laura) All right, were those given in the order in which they are
occurring? The fourth being the one that's coming later?

A: Maybe, but remember this: a change in the speed of the rotation may
not be reported while it is imperceptible except by instrumentation.
Equator is slightly "wider" than the polar zones. But, this discrepancy
is decreasing slowly currently. One change to occur in 21st Century is
sudden glacial rebound, over Eurasia first, then North America. Ice ages
develop much, much, much faster than thought.

Q: Yes. That we will be provided for. Yes, but it is hard
because we have to be apart... Okay. I would like to know
what the geographic coordinates, according to our current
grid system, that would frame Atlantis. I don't need the
exact shape, just a general box shape... the perimeter...

A: Like asking: "What are the geographic coordinates of the
North Atlantic Treaty Organization?"

Q: Okay, let me get more specific: the Atlantean land that
was supposed to have existed in the Atlantic Ocean... what
was the farthest north of any any part of Atlantis that
was in the ocean, that no longer exists?

A: It is "time for you" to know that Atlantis was not a
nation, land, Island, or continent, but rather, a
civilization!

Q: All I wanted was to have an idea of a land mass in the
Atlantic ocean that people talk about - where did it sit?

A: Where do you think?

Q: Well, I sort of think that the Azores and the Canary
Islands are sort of...

A: Yes, but many other places too. Remember, the sea level
was several hundred feet lower then...

Q: Why was the sea level several hundred feet lower? Because
there was ice somewhere or because there was not as much
water on the earth at that time?

A: Ice.

Q: Was the ice piled up at the poles? The ice sheet of the
ice age?

A: Yes.

Q: So, Atlantis existed during the ice age?

A: Largely, yes. And the world's climate was scarcely any
colder away from the ice sheets than it is today.

Q: Well, how could that be? What caused these glaciers?

A: Global warming.

Q: How does global warming cause glaciers?

A: Increases precipitation dramatically. Then moves the belt
of great precipitation much farther north. This causes
rapid buildup of ice sheets, followed by increasingly
rapid and intense glacial rebound.

 

[JGeropoulas]

Right on schedule to "prepare" the masses?

Next month Disney is releasing its newest movie entitled "Frozen." Below is the link to the trailer, which directs us to "Get Ready To Fight The Freeze With Disney's Frozen". Only in a Disney "fantasy land" could an ice age theme be morphed into such amusing cuteness.

I suspect the Disney Disinfo Department's real message for the masses is "Fight the freeze with funny fantasies"

_http://movies.disney.com/frozen/video/trailers/?cmp=wdsmp_frozen_4d_google_media_Media-Ads

 

[CelticWarrior]

Following analysis of the data, Professor Lockwood believes solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years.

Although the biggest impact of such solar driven change would be regional, like here in the UK and across Europe, there would be global implications too.

Any global cooling caused by this natural phenomenon would ultimately be temporary, and if projections are correct, the long term warming caused by carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases would eventually swamp this solar-driven cooling... global temperatures may fall enough, albeit temporarily, to eliminate much of the warming which has occurred since the 1950s.

There seems to be a conflict with this last statement from the article, which I suspect, is to calm the population into feeling that everything will "be okay", because the cooling will somehow neutralize the warming from the Co2 and greenhouse gases. If global warming is the case, I would fail to see the comfort in having us believe that the approaching "little ice age" will be balanced out by atmospheric pollution. While we cannot predict for certain the potential severity of climatological changes it's reasonable to say we probably won't be saved from humanity's contamination of the planet thus far.

A:...One change to occur in 21st Century is
sudden glacial rebound, over Eurasia first, then North America. Ice ages
develop much, much, much faster than thought.

***

Q: Well, how could that be? What caused these glaciers?

A: Global warming.

Q: How does global warming cause glaciers?

A: Increases precipitation dramatically. Then moves the belt
of great precipitation much farther north. This causes
rapid buildup of ice sheets, followed by increasingly
rapid and intense glacial rebound.

As anyone can see, the effects of any such global warming will not become an aid in the global cooling event of our century. And in Mr. Hudson's article about the Maunder minimum I'd say the general population will have no idea how to prepare for the next few decades if kept in a fantasy world about things wonderfully balancing themselves out. Hopefully... there's a possibility it'll be a lot easier to get the full content of this out to the mass public when things begin to freeze up more frequently. And then, who knows what?

 

[Laura]

You just nailed it, CelticWarrior. The blind are leading the blind. And there are none so blind as those who WILL not see.

 

[Darek]

Q: Well, I sort of think that the Azores and the Canary
Islands are sort of...

A: Yes, but many other places too. Remember, the sea level
was several hundred feet lower then...

http://www.iceagenow.com/Sea_Level_During_Last_Ice_Age.htm

"During the last ice age (above) sea level was at least 394 feet (120 m) lower than it is today (below), exposing much more area on the continents.

Many changes took place as sea level rose, among them the disappearance of the land bridge from Siberia to Alaska, the appearance of Britain and the islands of Southeast Asia, and the filling of the Hudson Bay."

 

[paralleloscope]

Interesting image Darek. The world looks so connected with all that 'land-bridging'. This one is less fuzzy daydream inducive, less green and more ice implied:

 

[Olesya]

Thank you for posting this picture, parallel. Yes, there are a lot of ice pockets in the bottom half of the picture. What is most interesting, I think, is that the ice pockets and forests in some parts doesn't even have tundra or steppe adjacent to it. If I understand correctly what was posted here on this thread, this would correspond to the map of the empire during ice age? I remember when the C's were talking about the life for STO candidates after the wave arrives as STS trying to rule STO candidates, and they would co-exist side by side, so to speak, maybe this is what might explain this map?

 

[paralleloscope]

If I understand correctly what was posted here on this thread, this would correspond to the map of the empire during ice age? I remember when the C's were talking about the life for STO candidates after the wave arrives as STS trying to rule STO candidates, and they would co-exist side by side, so to speak, maybe this is what might explain this map?

I'm afraid I don't understand the dots you may be connecting. By empire are you talking about Atlantis? And how would a projection of life on 4D earth relate to this map?

 

[Yozilla]

Oh this is sooooo coooool!

Sun Triad (at least ) over Inner Mongolia!

_http://www.digtriad.com/news/watercooler/article/304595/176/Triple-Suns-Appear-In-Inner-Mongolia

Just like in that Roman chronicles that Laura is publishing here!

Y

 

[Keit]

_http://www.digtriad.com/news/watercooler/article/304595/176/Triple-Suns-Appear-In-Inner-Mongolia

It is posted on SOTT now:
http://www.sott.net/article/268305-Comet-dust-loading-causes-sun-to-be-refracted-by-the-changed-atmosphere-Triple-suns-appear-in-inner-Mongolia

 

[Yozilla]

Thx Keit!

On Monday we had a severe storm (Cyclone named Teodor here) with boora blowing at record speed of 237 kmph measured at the Bridge of Krk! Many fallen trees, damaged cars and seriously wounded people (and one dead sadly)...

_http://danas.net.hr/hrvatska/fotovideo-nevjerojatne-snimke-udara-bure-i-posljedica-nevremena

Even one (lucky to survive) fireman was lifted up on piece of metal roof!

_http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/pogledajte-kako-je-bura-nosila-vatrogasca/710857.aspx

Y

 

[un chien anadolu]

It snows in Cairo , for the first time in 112 years

_http://primemag.me/photos-snow-covers-areas-cairo-suez-alexandria/

 

[Laura]

It snows in Cairo , for the first time in 112 years

_http://primemag.me/photos-snow-covers-areas-cairo-suez-alexandria/

The plot gels... er, thickens...

 

[un chien anadolu]

It snows in Cairo , for the first time in 112 years

_http://primemag.me/photos-snow-covers-areas-cairo-suez-alexandria/

The plot gels... er, thickens...

Sad but also funny isn't it, they were claiming in 2000 that snowfalls are now just a thing of the past, even for Britain and Europe

_http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html