edit: noticed this after I posted - under 'content advisory' is listed homosexuality - I'd don't find that fitting with the other aptly placed warnings.
So, if I understand correctly, you think it is "ok" to advocate homosexuality? Key word here is advocate.Shane said:edit: noticed this after I posted - under 'content advisory' is listed homosexuality - I'd don't find that fitting with the other aptly placed warnings.
Heh i disagree, being of that particular ethnic group, I find it scares the bejesus outta norms and so definitely a warning might be a good idea. Well, at least older norms, youngin's don't seem to care.Shane said:edit: noticed this after I posted - under 'content advisory' is listed homosexuality - I'd don't find that fitting with the other aptly placed warnings.
In the context you used it advocate means to support, I think it's perfectly reasonable to support homosexuality, and infact, it might be a good idea given the state of things.Azur said:So, if I understand correctly, you think it is "ok" to advocate homosexuality? Key word here is advocate.
I don't think I quite understand your question, Azur, because it sounds like you have an issue with homosexuality. I'm probably totally off, but could you clarify?Azur said:So, if I understand correctly, you think it is "ok" to advocate homosexuality? Key word here is advocate.Shane said:edit: noticed this after I posted - under 'content advisory' is listed homosexuality - I'd don't find that fitting with the other aptly placed warnings.
Could you clarify?
I figured there was the danger of it looking like I have issues with homosexuality when I posted. (For the record, I don't. People are people, no matter their aspects. Being homosexual, bisexual or hetero, or atheist, or <insert aspect here> is only one of n aspects that make up a person.)anart said:I don't think I quite understand your question, Azur, because it sounds like you have an issue with homosexuality. I'm probably totally off, but could you clarify?Azur said:So, if I understand correctly, you think it is "ok" to advocate homosexuality? Key word here is advocate.Shane said:edit: noticed this after I posted - under 'content advisory' is listed homosexuality - I'd don't find that fitting with the other aptly placed warnings.
Could you clarify?
Really funny bible, label, by the way =D
That makes sense. I suppose if we lived in the kind of world where homosexuals were treated the same as heterosexuals (or where any discrimated against minority was treated the same as the majority) then that would be exactly how it should be.Azur said:For example, advocating children's rights is a good thing. But what about non-children? It misses the point: both are human, and it should be the same for all humans.
Same goes for advocating homosexuality. It is as bad to advocate heterosexuality. Humans in general should have the right to freedom of sexual orientation.
In short, advocating on behalf of a subgroup ignores the larger concerns of the group of which it is part. I equate advocacy with "special interest groups". It stinks.
There must counter-examples, but I have always perceived advocacy as I do above.
Not sure what you mean by advocating homosexuality. I think you might mean to advocate the rights of anyone who is homosexual. And I do. I agree with Anart that your question sounds like you disagree with homosexuality, but there may be some other reason you were asking.Azur said:So, if I understand correctly, you think it is "ok" to advocate homosexuality? Key word here is advocate.
Could you clarify?
I agree with you. Maybe I'm too idealistic on that front. But also, it is abused (not in this case, though. Homosexuals HAVE been given a rough ride for nothing.).anart said:That makes sense. I suppose if we lived in the kind of world where homosexuals were treated the same as heterosexuals (or where any discrimated against minority was treated the same as the majority) then that would be exactly how it should be.Azur said:For example, advocating children's rights is a good thing. But what about non-children? It misses the point: both are human, and it should be the same for all humans.
Same goes for advocating homosexuality. It is as bad to advocate heterosexuality. Humans in general should have the right to freedom of sexual orientation.
In short, advocating on behalf of a subgroup ignores the larger concerns of the group of which it is part. I equate advocacy with "special interest groups". It stinks.
There must counter-examples, but I have always perceived advocacy as I do above.
Unfortunately, we don't live in that world by any stretch of the imagination (yet) - so, it seems to me that a society trying to take measures to decrease the amount of inequality in such situations is not only a reasonable thing to do, but signifies that the society is perceptive enough to see that one aspect of its population is suffering from maltreatment at the hands of the rest of its population and can see that as a 'bad' thing.
I absolutely agree here, taken in this context. No contest there!anart said:he's simply saying that homosexuality is not the same as the list of other atrocities on the rest of that label
Thanks Shane. And I'm in full agreement. I don't think there is anything perverse about homosexuality, whatsoever. The other stuff on that list are disjoint from this, and are REAL things that are nasty (except maybe undermining authority). :DShane said:Edit: I wrote this while you responded to Anart, and what you said made sense. I was just trying to point out that on the list had mostly perverse items on it and I didn't think that homosexuality is perverse.
I think you're also correct about what you mentioned that special interest groups often 'stink.' That wasn't what I was trying to get at though.
Also when I wrote that I would/ do advocate the rights of anyone who is homosexual, it is likewise for any/ all groups or people to be who they are - including the main one, humanity as a whole.
I'm not sure I understand your perspective on that. You could argue that the aspect that causes someone not to have empathy makes them no longer "people" in some ways. You could argue that a transvestite is neither male or female, hence, not a "person" by definition. I think "people" is really undefined, just what makes someone a "person"? What about a difference between someone with a fused magnetic center who is fully conscious and someone with who is still a machine? Are they both "people" or is only one of them? What about someone who only has one arm or one leg or one eye (or none of those things)? What about someone missing one or more of their senses (or maybe common sense) or someone in a "vegitative" state in a hospital fed by feeding tubes? Well we can safely say at least we're all biological.. well not if you consider cybergenetic drones walking around that might be made of some synthetic nanotechnologically-produced "plastic" that might be indistinguishable from the indigenous "life forms" to the untrained eye, then you just gotta throw in the towel and give up trying to define people and go have a strong drink, and make it a double.Azur said:I figured there was the danger of it looking like I have issues with homosexuality when I posted. (For the record, I don't. People are people, no matter their aspects. Being homosexual, bisexual or hetero, or atheist, or <insert aspect here> is only one of n aspects that make up a person.)