The New Age ‘Enlightenment Business’ – Western style Cargo cults
Later the Aryans possibly invaded India again:
In spite of the invasion into India, apparently there have been movements out of India.
This of course could also be applied to what I have already written in this thread! Nevertheless, for the moment I leave it as it is.
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It reminds one of the following from the Cassiopaean transcripts:Anders said:Bhagavan is out on a mission to save the planet and intends to have made 64000 people enlightened by year 2010 in order to save humanity and create a golden civilization with mass enlightenment by 2012.
To the same line one could add:000923 said:Q: Well, in the first place, I don't think there is going to be any star elders calling anybody together simply because everybody on the planet is here because they made a free will choice to be here, and everybody is here to do what they are going to do according to their plans, whether they are in cooperation with anyone else or not and don't need anybody to call them to tell them anything. In the second place, the only ones who would be "calling" anybody to "come together," would the STS oriented beings because such bidding from a higher density being only CAN come from the STS faction, because the STO faction aren't going to call anybody to come together because if they want to "come together" with anyone it has to come from inside from free will choice and not because they are called.
A: Yes.
Q: On the other hand, if Service to Others types DO come together, what kind of stimulus for that coming together could, or would, there be?
A: Natural progression.
Next suppose someone comes and say they have scientifically proven solutions that can solve all problems?970405 said:A: […] Beware of those who possess a nature of thinking there are plans set in concrete, and require the participation of you!
The remark concerning "Decreasing individual discovery" may also be implied in the following answer:000909 said:Q: (L) Is L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology set up going in the right direction in helping people to become free of the Control System on the planet?
A: Exchange, to a limited extent.
Q: (L) So, it is just an exchange of control system from one to another?
A: Something like that.
Q: (L) Well, JW pointed out that, at least when Scientology gets done with a person, they are off drugs, off alcohol, they stop beating their wife and kids, and become productive people. That DOES seem to be true! They get free of attachments and improve themselves in many ways. Couldn't that be considered positive?
A: Sure.
Q: (L) What is the downside of such a positive thing?
A: Decreasing individual discovery.
Which leads to the next issue. Oneness University originates in India. What do the transcripts have to say about the background of India and Indian culture:941107 said:Q: (L) Is the ayurvedic system a superior system to others?
A: Free will.
There was a reference to a time reference of some 50.000 years back. I could not find it in the transcripts.970531 said:Q: Let's back up here. You said that the Celts came from Kantek. They were transported by the Lizzies... brought here, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: When the Lizzies did this, how many Celts were physically brought here?
A: Hundreds of millions.
Q: How long, in our terms, did it take to bring these Celts to this planet? Or, is this ongoing?
A: Well, in the sense that you measure it, let us say about a week.
Q: Did they transport them in ships -- that is some sort of structure. That is, did they load them up, move them into 4th density, and reemerge here in 3rd density or something like that?
A: Close.
Q: And they unloaded them in the area of the Caucasus, is that correct?
A: And regions surrounding.
Q: And, that was what, 79 to 80 thousand years ago?
A: Over 80,000.
Q: As I understand it, Atlantis was already quite a developed civilization at that time, is that correct?
A: Yes, but regions change with waves of immigration, or conquest... witness your own lands.
Q: You also said once that there was a nuclear war in India and that this was what was being discussed in the Vedas when it talks about the 'blue-skinned' people who weren't really blue because they were Celts, and they were flying in aircraft, and they were engaged in this war, etc. Who were the Celts at war with?
A: The Paranthas.
Q: Now, wait a minute! Who are the Paranthas?! Do we have a new player here?
A: Not new.
Q: Do we know them by another name?
A: Choose.
Q: The Atlanteans? Were the Celts of India at war with the Atlanteans in the Atlantic?
A: Atlantis was merely a home base of an advanced civilization of 3 races of humans occupying different sections of a huge Island empire, which, in itself, underwent 3 incarnations over a 100,000 year period as you would measure it.
Q: The 3 races were the Celts... and who were the second and third?
A: Or Kantekkians.
Q: Are the Kantekkians different from the Celts?
A: Only in the sense of long term racial and genetic blending.
Q: So, Atlantis had the Kantekkians and who else?
A: Race you would call "Native Americans," and a third, no longer existing race, somewhat resembling Australian or Guinean aborigines, only lighter in complexion.
Q: Was this third group destroyed by the other two?
A: One of the 3 cataclysms.
Q: Paranthas. Who were the Paranthas?
A: Nation of race mentioned above.
Q: So, the Paranthas were the antecedents of the Abos of Australia?
A: Yes, and compare to now existing peoples of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia, and New Guinea for similarities, bearing in mind genetic mixing and dilution.
Q: Were the Vedas written by the Paranthas or written by the Celts?
A: Descendants of Parantha, as per "Divine guidance."
Q: That explains a LOT. I was just thinking about it the other day. If these people in India are related to the Celts, as philologists would have us believe due to language roots, there is no way I can understand this because they are simply NOTHING like them in any way. Come on! We are talking about a race that is subservient and sly and obsequious - just NOTHING like the Celts. So bizarrely different! Okay, I think that you said that this nuclear war happened something like 50,000 years ago. We have taken care of a couple of points; we have 3 races on Atlantis, Celts all over the place... did the Celts conquer the Atlanteans?
A: No.
Q: Did they just move in and hang out?
A: They took over the Northern section.
Later the Aryans possibly invaded India again:
In more recent history the British invaded India. Would there have been many spiritual movements coming out of India, if the British had not imposed English as the language of administration?941020 said:Q: When did the Aryans invade India?
A: 8243 years ago.
In spite of the invasion into India, apparently there have been movements out of India.
The following has more on Veda. The questions were asked about two years earlier than the one, which mentioned: 'Descendants of 'Parantha, as per "Divine guidance".'941020 said:Q: What is the origin of the Nubians?
A: Caucus range.
Q: How come they are so terribly black?
A: Genetic mixing.
Q: With what? Anything particularly special about them?
A: East Indian aborigines.
Just like in the Bible and the Koran one can in the Veda and Vedic literature, find codes that prove to the true believer that his scripture is the only one and that everybody else should submit:950812 said:Q: (L) My first question is: What is the source of the Vedas? The Hindu system of philosophy?
A: There is more than one source.
Q: (L) What is the general source, positive or...
A: A very vague question.
Q: (L) Was it a group of people that put them together over centuries, or was it channeled information, or...?
A: It came into being as a result of meditation.
Q: (L) And what race of people was responsible for this information?
A: Caucasian.
Q: (L) What period of time were the Vedas received.
A: Varying bits and pieces of information which later was organized into packages labeled as it is.
Q: (L) From what realm did this meditated information issue?
A: The realm of the subconscious mind.
Q: (L) Are any of the Vedas information that was given to man by extra-terrestrials?
A: Not as you would define it.
Q: (L) From what types of beings, or what level of density did this information issue from?
A: Third.
Q: (L) Can you give us anything more on that in a general sense?
A: If you ask.
Q: (L) What is the percentage of accuracy of the information given in the Vedas? Overall?
A: Accurate at what level?
Q: (L) Third Density.
A: Accurate to what extent and in what way?
Q: (L) Well, in a general sense, as a way of living one's life and perceiving the universe.
A: That's an extremely difficult question to answer as accuracy in determining such things as perceiving the universe and living one's life is entirely open to interpretation as anyone can resolve accuracy by relating to the parallel universe which is appropriate for the information given. And, as we have stated in the past, it is possible to create parallel universes through thought energy, and once they are created naturally, they correspond naturally to the interpretation given for them.
One possibility for a "true code" is to engineer history, time and space from a higher density, so that it shows up as later fitting "perfectly".980808 said:Q: (A) I want to know about this Bible Code, because one possibility is that all of this is created by just wishful thinking...
A: Any large literary work can be found to have a "code" if one searches...
Q: (L) Well, we don't really know what the professor wrote because the reporter wrote the book, not the researcher. You also have a couple of problems with the Hebrew language. The accusation was made that when the exact 'code' didn't fit, he would skip some extra letters or words or lines to make it fit. So there is a controversy over this.
A: Hindsight is 20/20.
Q: (L) The woman who was talking about the book said that all of the 'findings' were 'after the fact.' I don't think he really made any 'predictions' in the book. (A) Can one predict things in this way?
A: If one chooses.
Q: (L) Doesn't mean it's gonna happen!
The above fits quite well with the next section that also mentions 'Yogis ':950812 said:Q: (L) Is there any benefit to be obtained through the use of mantras?
A: Especially when the mind says there is. Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind. This is something you will understand more closely when you reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please. In your current state, you have the misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and therein lies your difficulty with finite physical existence. We are surprised that you are still not able to completely grasp this concept.
There was a mention of the word 'avatar' in one of the posts. Here is more:950121 said:Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How "long", and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the Lizards, the Grays, the cybergenetic probes?
A: No.
Q: (L) What do you mean, "No"?
A: Time travelers, therefore, "Time is ongoing."
Q: (L) Okay, recently I read a couple of books JR gave me, "Knight in Shining Armor" and "Replay". Both of these books described time travel.
A: No, not finished with answer. Do you understand the gravity of last response?
Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads... (T) They can set up the past to create a future they want. (D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need... (L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea...
A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?
Q: (L) That's not good. If they were to move back through space time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?
A: Has over and over and over.
Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly? (L) So, at each...
A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!!
Q: (L) We're getting a little glimmer! Yeah, I do, a little! (T) The ramifications of being able to move in and out of time and manipulate it the way you want (JR/Laura) And the ramifications of what they're doing to us; what they are doing to us and what they will do to us, over and over. (Frankdy) What did it say about over and over? (L) So, in other words, our only real prayer in this whole damn situation is to get out of this density level. That's what they're saying, that's what it sounds like to me.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we're just literally, as in that book, stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could happen over and over, and we could just, you know... Ghengis Khan, Atilla the Hun... over and over and over again. (T) We're stuck in a time loop; they're putting us in a time loop. (J) Are we in a time loop?
A: Yes.
Q: (D) I have a question about... there was a... (PAUSE) Mankind has found it necessary for some reason or other to appoint time for some reason or other. The only reason I can see is to have a means of telling, like in verbal or written communications...
A: Control mechanism.
Q: (T) Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides moving to 4th density? (D) That was part...
A: Nope.
Q: (D) When 4th density beings communicate it's telepathic, right?
A: Yes.
Q: (D) Okay, since time doesn't exist, how do you communicate about happenings?
A: Rephrase, please; clarify.
Q: (L) What she means to ask is, if you're communicating telepathically... (D) On 4th density.. (L) And time doesn't exist, how do you communicate about events as one happens now, as opposed to later and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens... (J) How is it sequential?
A: Translate.
Q: (D) Translate? Okay, let me explain what I mean. I mean, we talk about 1907 something happened...
A: That is how it is done.
Q: (T) Translate is how it is done. You translate the experience?
A: From 4 to 3. And vice versa.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it's almost like making movies. (J) Are linear thought processes part of it? Is it being linear and non-linear?
A: Part of 3d illusion only.
Q: (L) So, in other words, if you're a 4th density being, everything is more or less happening, excuse the term happening, everything is simultaneous, and if you wish to discuss or communicate or have any focus upon any particular aspect of this unified dimension, then what you do is you kind of extract it out, project it into 3d...
A: Close.
Q: (L) ... like a movie.
A: But you will not understand fully until you get there
Q: (T) Okay, so it's a concept that we can't completely grasp in 3d at this point.
A: Can a dog grasp algebra? You got it.
Q: (L) In other words, we're in bad shape! And these guys are playing games with us, so to speak...
A: Subjective.
Q: (T) Subjective to whether we're in bad shape or not.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) I was going to say that doesn't necessarily mean we're in bad shape... (L) Well, the situation we find ourselves in, is the only way of getting out of this time loop, so to speak, to move into another density, or is there a loop in the other density as well?
A: No.
Q: (L) No loop in the other density?
A: Yogis can do it.
Q: (L) Yogis can do it... (T) Transcend time. (L) Okay, let me ask this before we really start to go...
A: How they control their own physicality.
Three of the characters mentioned in the Vedic literature are mentioned next.960223 said:Q: (MM) I would like to know if the Cassiopaeans are familiar with the entity that was on the three dimensional level known as Paramahansa Yogananda?
A: Third density, not three dimensional. And yes, but this entity had many aliases: Thorn, Christian, Mobson Singh, etc.
Q: (MM) Where is Paramahansa now?
A: Fifth Density.
Q: (MM) Is he the Avatar?
A: That is a subjective, artificial concept of the self- styled variety.
Q: (MM) Who came up with the concept? (W) I don't know. I read it in a book somewhere. (L) So, someone said he is now an Avatar?
A: Is Debbie a "shaman," is Billy a "hero," is Oscar a "blade runner?"
Parts of the Veda prescribe rituals like many other organized religions:941020 said:Q: Who was the Queen of Sheba?
A: Fictional.
Q: Did a great queen come to visit King Solomon?
A: Alien influence.
Q: Who was Arjuna?
A: Same as Sheba.
Q: Who is Shiva?
A: Same.
Q: Rama?
A: Indian. High priest influenced by Confederation.
Q: Is Ormethion who the Lizzies worship?
A: Close.
Q: Who do they worship? What do they call their god?
A: Physical universe.
Q: The physical universe is their god?
A: Yes.
The Vedas are written in Sanskrit:941128 said:Q: (L) Is the altar beneficial to have in one's house?
A: Okay.
Q: (L) Is that okay beneficial?
A: Be careful not to jump to conclusions.
Q: (L) What conclusions? That the altar is okay beneficial. Is it highly okay for us?
A: No.
Q: (L) Mediocre okay?
A: No. No. No.
Q: (L) What?
A: Laura has been hurt by jumping to Lizard inspired conclusions.
Q: (L) So the altar is useless?
A: No. Just be careful remember metaphysical church group.
Q: (L) Is it a matter of misguided alliances?
A: Has been frequent problem.
Q: (L) Should I dismantle the altar?
A: Altar is okay but other things are not okay like silly rituals.
Q: (L) Is V***s altar okay?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, during the period of time I was getting the hassle from the metaphysical church group, my pool was green. Was this symbolic of the attack I was under?
A: Yes but you left yourself open by association and buying too many concepts without careful examination.
Q: (L) Do you mean that, if, at that time, I had refused to acknowledge that any harm could come to me, that that would have made it impossible for any harm?
A: Close. But investigate before buying and practicing in future okay?
Q: (L) Investigate what? Ideas?
A: Yes. And concepts and especially practices
Q: (L) The ideas of candle burning, salt, sage, shamanistic rituals and so forth? Is all this useless?
A: Maybe.
Q: (L) Is sage not useful?
A: You are learning; remember when we say "good no ritual"?
Q: (L) In other words, your knowledge and your strength which comes from your knowledge and knowing is the point and the protection?
A: Precisely. This is extremely important.
Q: (L) Alexandra David Neel quoted a lama who said we must beware of the children of our own minds as well as the children of the minds of others, such as thought forms perhaps created by higher negative beings. If we do not acknowledge that such things exist, are we then subject to being devoured by them?
A: Ritual drains directly to Lizard beings.
Q: (L) Even our saying of the Lord's prayer?
A: It is okay to pray. Why do you think organized religion is obsessed with rituals?
Q: (L) Is the same thing true of shamanistic practices and so forth?
A: Exactly.
950318 said:Q: (L) What is the world's oldest language, at least of those known to today's world?
A: Sanskrit.
Q: (L) What is the origin of Sanskrit?
A: Atlantean roots.
The above quote indicates cultural links between India and the Jews. It may go back a long way:941026 said:Q: (L) What is the origin of the books of Enoch?
A: Sanskritian society in area now referred to as India.
Q: (L) What evaluation can we give the books of Enoch as far as level of truth?
A: 50% of area was destroyed in nuclear conflagration in between
Q: (L) In between what?
A: Then and now in the expanded present.
Q: (L) What is the "expanded" present?
A: The real measure of time.
941007 said:Q: (L) True meaning of the word "Shem"?
A: Purity.
Q: (L) What language is the root of this word found in?
A: Atlantean. Hebrew.
The Sanskritian society mentioned previously or similar, may have had a good amount of knowledge:941102 said:Q: (L) What is the origin of the Sanskrit language?
A: Atlantis.
Q: (L) When the Aryans were brought here, were they brought to Atlantis?
A: No. The Aryans were different from the Atlanteans.
Q: (L) Is there any language in existence today that is descended from the Aryan language? Or, that has remained more similar in development from Indo-European?
A: Yes. All Germanic.
About Sanskrit and other symbols:941119 said:Q: (L) Now, we went to the recommended person to take the Reiki initiation, do we now, at this point in time, have the true Reiki initiation?
A: Getting there. Must allow energy to solidify. Do you understand the concept of imprinting?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Then you know.
Q: (L) Practicing Reiki is the thing that will solidify the force?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) Are there symbols for Reiki that are even older and stronger than the ones we have been given?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are the original symbols in Sanskrit?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Where are we going to find them?
A: You are not.
If learning can be described as 'the empowerment that arises from the acquisition of knowledge', what is the role of the opposite?970412 said:Q: (M) There is a symbol that always comes to my mind, and I would like to know what this symbol means? [draws symbol which looks like two spirals back to back.]
A: The duality of body and spirit... the two perfectly interlock for those in the physical/material planes. One reflects the other always in the timeless existence of all creation!
Q: What is the origin of that symbol?
A: Symbols always naturally evolve of pure consciousness thought form.
Q: Anything further on that symbol?
A: No.
Q: Can it be used for anything?
A: Learning, the empowerment that arises from the acquisition of knowledge.
What is "truth"? And why do we believe something is true? That has been discussed in other threads and Ark in his comments frequently returns to the issue. For practical purposes, the above last two comments from the Cassiopaeans inspires me to occasionally review what I think is probable and also once in a while to consider ideas that I did not earlier find likely or even discarded.950924 said:Q: […] (L) If a lot of the information that is being propagated these days is confusion or disinformation, what is the purpose of all this?
A: You answered yourself: Confusion and disinformation.
Q: (L) I have a theory that the truth, in any large degree, will not be known until just prior to some sort of transition...
A: You expect "truth" then?
Q: (RC) Absolutely! (L) Considering how things are from observation, this may be unrealistic...
A: All there is -- is lessons, no short cuts!
This of course could also be applied to what I have already written in this thread! Nevertheless, for the moment I leave it as it is.
thorbiorn