The New History of Mankind: Who Are we? What are we? How did we get here?
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That book has nothing to do with the quote you responded with. And, now you give a book name with no explanation, link or comment about your statement. If you are going to post then I think it would help if you put more thought into it.
Please think about what you are trying to say and give more information.
piliangie
Jedi
????? Ok ..next time I will think before I wrote something ....and rethink about and rethink about it...and again sorry if you feel threat...let it go...
piliangie
Jedi
And if you feel more comfortable ..I will erase it but right now I'm running to work..I will do it later...anyway my quote said " I Think" is not a statement ...
@piliangie ,
Your post was not taken as a "threat". It is just better for you to take your time and think about how your post relates to a thread and give some supporting information to help the reader give a response.
You cannot erase your posts and the forum does not "erase" posts. "I think" was not taken as an "I know" but it is your thought. That thought would be better understood if it is clarified and supported at least by some logic/information "I think".
Hope you get to to work safely. Sounds like you have some stress as we all do.
piliangie
Jedi
Sorry, but why don't you take a serious look at this thread first and then maybe we can talk more. That is a possibility too (or not).
Another discovery in Denisova Cave has come to light. Apparently the pieces found make up the statuette of a cave lion. It's 45,000 years old - pending confirmation on the dating - and, if so, that would make it the oldest of its kind in the world. They think it's too simplistic to be a toy and, sadly, at the moment, it's incomplete.
What struck me as interesting, in light of the discussion of the slaughter of the cosmic bull in Zoroastriansm, is the following in The Siberian Times article:
I think it's interesting that they even speculated it may have been bleeding, and from the stomach, although another researcher goes on to state that he thinks it may have been all red, which is certainly possible, it's incomplete after all. Is there something to the fact that red ocher was only found in one part of the cave?
Obviously the imagery of the lion reminded me of the 32,000 year old lion headed statuette found in a cave in Germany, and that Laura discusses in detail in the Mithras extract that was posted on the forum recently. Also, there's an older article about the German lion find on SOTT here and wiki.
On the Denisova lion there is a kind of notch pattern, and it may simply be decoration, but it did make me think of the 11,600 year old Shigir idol, also found in Russia, whose pattern is thought to be some form of code or writing. Notably, on the German lion "Seven parallel, transverse, carved gouges are on the left arm."
Below is the relevant part, but you'll find more information about the other, less recent finds, also mentioned in the article, if you follow the link:
What struck me as interesting, in light of the discussion of the slaughter of the cosmic bull in Zoroastriansm, is the following in The Siberian Times article:
I think it's interesting that they even speculated it may have been bleeding, and from the stomach, although another researcher goes on to state that he thinks it may have been all red, which is certainly possible, it's incomplete after all. Is there something to the fact that red ocher was only found in one part of the cave?
Obviously the imagery of the lion reminded me of the 32,000 year old lion headed statuette found in a cave in Germany, and that Laura discusses in detail in the Mithras extract that was posted on the forum recently. Also, there's an older article about the German lion find on SOTT here and wiki.
On the Denisova lion there is a kind of notch pattern, and it may simply be decoration, but it did make me think of the 11,600 year old Shigir idol, also found in Russia, whose pattern is thought to be some form of code or writing. Notably, on the German lion "Seven parallel, transverse, carved gouges are on the left arm."
Below is the relevant part, but you'll find more information about the other, less recent finds, also mentioned in the article, if you follow the link:
45,000 year old lion statuette found in Denisova Cave may be world's oldest
Aged approximately 45,000 years, this might be the world's oldest animal statuette. The sensational discovery was made three months ago in the Altai Mountains by the team of archeologists from Novosibirsk Institute of Archeology and Ethnography....www.sott.net
45,000 year old lion statuette found in Denisova Cave may be world's oldest
Cave lion figurine in situ at the Denisova Cave in the Altai mountains.
Aged approximately 45,000 years, this might be the world's oldest animal statuette.
The sensational discovery was made three months ago in the Altai Mountains by the team of archeologists from Novosibirsk Institute of Archeology and Ethnography.
The precious small - 42mm long, 8mm thick and 11mm high - figurine of a cave lion (Panthera spelaea, lat) was made by an Upper Palaeolithic artist between 40,000 and 45,000 years ago.
It was found inside the 11th layer of the southern gallery of the Denisova Cave.
The lion's head is missing, what we see is its hind legs, groin, back and belly, covered in an ornament of eighteen rows of nothes.
This is the oldest sculptural zoomorphic image ever found in Siberia and throughout the territory of Northern and Central Asia.
The precise age is yet to be confirmed, but the cautious dating given by Siberian archeologists means that this might be the oldest animal figurine in the world.
The lion's head is missing, what we see is its hind legs, groin, back and belly, covered in an ornament of eighteen rows of nothes.
There are two extra rows with four notches on the lion's right side.
'The figurine depicts an animal with its tummy tucked in, its hind legs bent. It is either galloping, jumping or getting ready to jump. The animal is shown in a typical for big cats position for the moment when they are ready to catch a prey', said Mikhail Shunkov, head of the Institute's Stone Age Archeology Department.
The mammoth ivory for the statuette was delivered from quite a distance away, Russian scientists say. It had to be carried for at least 100 kilometres from the northern footsteps of the Altai Mountains.
After finishing the figurine, the cave artist used red ochre to paint it.
So far traces of it were found mostly around the stomach area - which even led to an idea that it could be symbolising a bleeding wound - but researcher Alexander Fedorchenko believes that most likely the whole animal was painted red.
Remains of ocher were found only in the southern gallery of the Denisova cave.
In 2018 a 'pencil' and a marble stone with traces of ocher powder were discovered in the same area where later archeologist unearthed the cave lion - making the trio the first set of such kind in history of Siberian archeology.
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In 2018 a ‘pencil’ and a marble stone with traces of ocher powder were discovered in the same area where later archeologist unearthed the cave lion.
It is still unclear if the figurine depicts a male or a female lion, as well as the purpose of the find. The archeologists believe it is 'too simplistic' to assume this was a toy, but there is no proof that it could have been a cult item.
The artist's identity is another question to be answered. The assumption is that it was a Denisovan, but as professor Shunkov added, '45000 years ago was the time when Homo sapiens already wondered around Siberia, so it was quite likely that they could have influenced the Denisovans.'
Was this one of the first-known artistic collaboration then?
The answer is yet to come, say archeologists, but they are certain that by the style it was made the Denisovan Cave Lion doesn't resemble anything previously found int he world.
The closest in style are cave lions figurines from Vogerfelt Cave in south-west Germany, and from caves in south-west France.
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piliangie
Jedi
Who said that ? You? With all my respect for you your opinion is yours and valid ...but you are nobody to judge if is serious or not valid what I wrote ....I don't have to agree with you...save your statements and your job of guard of the forum...my comment wasn't malignant...sorry for you....and good bye....
Never said your comment was "malignant" that is your judgement. I don't think you are willing to understand yourself or this forum and that is your choice. You surely knew the forum rules before joining. Save your statements for another forum or blog (which this forum is not).
Sorry for you too. Good bye.
By the way, I hate saying good bye to anyone but if that is what you wish then I don't want to interfere with your free will. You could slow down and think about why I said what I did but in this busy chaotic world very few want to do that. You know "just in a little bit in a hurry......" no time to actually think about why someone would disagree with you. No, you don't have to agree with me nor I with you but it doesn't mean the end of the world.
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piliangie
Jedi
Exactly my friend...don't take it to serious...saying good bye is just the end of the topic ..I strongly believe that this forum is not for this...sayonara? Aurevoir? Adios? Salamat.........Never said your comment was "malignant" that is your judgement. I don't think you are willing to understand yourself or this forum and that is your choice. You surely knew the forum rules before joining. Save your statements for another forum or blog (which this forum is not).
Sorry for you too. Good bye.
@itellsya ,
It may be nothing but the notches on the figures makes me wonder about code or writing .
The "notches" almost correspond to the notched lines on the Spinx headress.
But the feline aspect was an interesting aspect I thought.
Session 22 October 1994:
Session 16 November 1994:
Session 4 March 1995:
Sorry for the long list but I do think it relates to our history of religion threads as well. I am not sure how to connect the lion image with the Mithraic bull yet but the lion image seems to be a predecessor.
Session 14 August 2016:
I meant to include this after the "fizzled out" in the previous post but missed it.
Hoagland, Hyperdimensions, Space and Time
Zarathushtra seems to have tried to recover these "fizzled out" secrets that faded from a corrupted Zurvan religion .
And pattern recognition run-amok inclined could think about:
The Wave Chapter 22: The Nexus Seven Meet the Cassiopaeans
The above is just a weak connection other than a characteristic of those who love to keep "secrets" and make everything "fade away".
Hoagland, Hyperdimensions, Space and Time
Zarathushtra seems to have tried to recover these "fizzled out" secrets that faded from a corrupted Zurvan religion .
And pattern recognition run-amok inclined could think about:
The Wave Chapter 22: The Nexus Seven Meet the Cassiopaeans
The above is just a weak connection other than a characteristic of those who love to keep "secrets" and make everything "fade away".
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Evan
The Living Force
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Goyacobol, I’m not sure if I’m looking at what you’re describing exactly, and perhaps it’s just shadow-play in this particular photo, but while reading your quote my eye was drawn to the almost mirror-like way the headdress on the right side of the image reflects off of the ear!@itellsya ,
It may be nothing but the notches on the figures makes me wonder about code or writing .
The "notches" almost correspond to the notched lines on the Spinx headress.
(apologies about the font - i tried changing it using the fonts provided in the options but none match the default)
The Oriental Institute has just released a 90 minute presentation that was streamed yesterday called "What we learned from 25 years of research at CatalHöyük", it's by Ian Hodder, Stanford University, Director of the Catalhoyuk Archaeological Project.
Their presentations can be hit or miss, but there are some good ones so i would definitely anyone who likes this kind of thing having a look around at the others.
I haven't had chance to check out the presentation yet so if anybody does have the opportunity to do so, and can also take down some notes, please feel free to provide a summary for those who will not have time to watch the presentation.
The best i could gather online from the content of the talk is as follows:
Facebook event blurb:
Youtube comments:
And below is the full presentation - in the comments it states that at 9:57 the lecture begins and 1:09:35 Q&A begins :
The Oriental Institute has just released a 90 minute presentation that was streamed yesterday called "What we learned from 25 years of research at CatalHöyük", it's by Ian Hodder, Stanford University, Director of the Catalhoyuk Archaeological Project.
Their presentations can be hit or miss, but there are some good ones so i would definitely anyone who likes this kind of thing having a look around at the others.
I haven't had chance to check out the presentation yet so if anybody does have the opportunity to do so, and can also take down some notes, please feel free to provide a summary for those who will not have time to watch the presentation.
The best i could gather online from the content of the talk is as follows:
Facebook event blurb:
Youtube comments:
And below is the full presentation - in the comments it states that at 9:57 the lecture begins and 1:09:35 Q&A begins :
