The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler

Laura

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See my recent post in the "Challenging Postmodernism" thread. It seems to me that the Fascism of the Left will force the Fascism of the Right... and it seems to me that it is intended to do just that.
 

DianaRose94

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See my recent post in the "Challenging Postmodernism" thread. It seems to me that the Fascism of the Left will force the Fascism of the Right... and it seems to me that it is intended to do just that.

Well... this trend has been on-going for a while. If you look at the discussion that are taking place on the Right (on Twitter, Youtube or website like Quillette), you can clearly see the rise of fascism and authoritarianism. Besides, the Right use the same tactics as the left and I don't even think the people on the Right or anti-left are that much different from those bloody liberals. "Free speech" is just a pretty word they use to cover their BS. It's not the left we should, but the backlash of the right, imo.
 

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Well... this trend has been on-going for a while. If you look at the discussion that are taking place on the Right (on Twitter, Youtube or website like Quillette), you can clearly see the rise of fascism and authoritarianism. Besides, the Right use the same tactics as the left and I don't even think the people on the Right or anti-left are that much different from those bloody liberals. "Free speech" is just a pretty word they use to cover their BS. It's not the left we should, but the backlash of the right, imo.

Well, actually, the Left is way more fascist at present than the Right. That's why the Right types are so slow to get moving and active against it; they are still thinking that sanity might prevail. But there is no sanity on the Left at all anymore thanks to Postmodernism and I would submit that this was intentional to some extent. McCarthy was right: Hollywood and Academia were infested with Communists, it just wasn't the purely Russian kind. A whole generation of teachers were trained in this hot-house Marxist/Utopian atmosphere and they have been teaching the youngsters that are now reaching maturity, so the infection has spread.

You really need to catch up on some reading perhaps starting with "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt.
 

DianaRose94

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Well, actually, the Left is way more fascist at present than the Right. That's why the Right types are so slow to get moving and active against it; they are still thinking that sanity might prevail. But there is no sanity on the Left at all anymore thanks to Postmodernism and I would submit that this was intentional to some extent. McCarthy was right: Hollywood and Academia were infested with Communists, it just wasn't the purely Russian kind. A whole generation of teachers were trained in this hot-house Marxist/Utopian atmosphere and they have been teaching the youngsters that are now reaching maturity, so the infection has spread.

You really need to catch up on some reading perhaps starting with "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt.

Yes, I'm reading Haidt at the moment and I'm familiar with his general arguments. Indeed the left is more fascist than the right at the moment, but I don't see that much redeeming quality to those on the right either. There's lot of nonsense being spread around on that side too. And I do think that there are some topics that are "forbidden" in a way on the right (i.e no criticism of the US). Though obviously, it's not quite the same as what is happening on the left. What would a movement from the right who is active against the left would look like to you?
 

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Yes, I'm reading Haidt at the moment and I'm familiar with his general arguments. Indeed the left is more fascist than the right at the moment, but I don't see that much redeeming quality to those on the right either. There's lot of nonsense being spread around on that side too. And I do think that there are some topics that are "forbidden" in a way on the right (i.e no criticism of the US). Though obviously, it's not quite the same as what is happening on the left. What would a movement from the right who is active against the left would look like to you?

What's going to happen is that the Left is going off the rails big time, don't realize they are patsies, and the Right is being slowly antagonized to back total crackdown and suppression, mass arrests, the whole nine yards. That's when the Right goes Fascist. Better read Detmer's book, too.

Meanwhile, of course, the Right has a sort of patch of moral high ground but only at the expense of ignoring the history of the Warmongering and Imperialism. But then, the Right and Left both are guilty as hell on that score.
 

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Yes, I'm reading Haidt at the moment and I'm familiar with his general arguments. Indeed the left is more fascist than the right at the moment, but I don't see that much redeeming quality to those on the right either. There's lot of nonsense being spread around on that side too. And I do think that there are some topics that are "forbidden" in a way on the right (i.e no criticism of the US). Though obviously, it's not quite the same as what is happening on the left. What would a movement from the right who is active against the left would look like to you?

I think these days it's important to really, really pay attention to what's happening and not fall into simplistic "camp thinking". Since you mentioned Quillette - I don't see a lot of nonsense there, but real journalism and many interesting and sound pieces. It's not "right-wing", at least not yet, but common sense, intelligent discussion and "centrist" opinions similar to the best the mainstream media had to offer 20 years ago. It's mostly a very reasonable crowd IMO, with blind spots when it comes to imperialism, Western meddling and so on.

Now contrast that to the postmodern left - here you have pure fascism, insanity and evilness. To read what's happening in universities, with activists, and the complacent goons in the media and politics that seem totally in the grip of this insanity, makes one's blood boil. And there lies the danger: quite frankly, there IS an evil part in me that wouldn't mind a bunch of stormtroopers storming gender studies faculties and eliminate this perverse, fascist and abusive pest. And I was a leftist most of my life! So better keep those sentiments in check!

So if that were to happen, what would be accomplished? The reasonable critics of left-wing insanity would be drowned out, any genuine leftist idea (such as about imperialism and Western meddling) would become suspect (this is already happening), and the crowd would cheer as the postmodernists are rounded up. "First they came for the postmodernists, and nobody said anything, then they came for the reasonable leftists and nobody said anything, then they came for the Muslims..."

But let's see how this all plays out, we don't know yet. There are a million possibilities. Our job is not to get side-tracked by all these polarizations and fights and emotions, and stay firm in our conscience and form our opinions based on truth as best we can; and the truth transcends all camps.
 

DianaRose94

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I think these days it's important to really, really pay attention to what's happening and not fall into simplistic "camp thinking". Since you mentioned Quillette - I don't see a lot of nonsense there, but real journalism and many interesting and sound pieces. It's not "right-wing", at least not yet, but common sense, intelligent discussion and "centrist" opinions similar to the best the mainstream media had to offer 20 years ago. It's mostly a very reasonable crowd IMO, with blind spots when it comes to imperialism, Western meddling and so on.

Now contrast that to the postmodern left - here you have pure fascism, insanity and evilness. To read what's happening in universities, with activists, and the complacent goons in the media and politics that seem totally in the grip of this insanity, makes one's blood boil. And there lies the danger: quite frankly, there IS an evil part in me that wouldn't mind a bunch of stormtroopers storming gender studies faculties and eliminate this perverse, fascist and abusive pest. And I was a leftist most of my life! So better keep those sentiments in check!

So if that were to happen, what would be accomplished? The reasonable critics of left-wing insanity would be drowned out, any genuine leftist idea (such as about imperialism and Western meddling) would become suspect (this is already happening), and the crowd would cheer as the postmodernists are rounded up. "First they came for the postmodernists, and nobody said anything, then they came for the reasonable leftists and nobody said anything, then they came for the Muslims..."

But let's see how this all plays out, we don't know yet. There are a million possibilities. Our job is not to get side-tracked by all these polarizations and fights and emotions, and stay firm in our conscience and form our opinions based on truth as best we can; and the truth transcends all camps.


Quillette writers are generally pretty skilled with words. However, there is an editorial slant (like any over publication). And really though there are some real gems, a lot of time, I feel like I'm reading the same articles with different words. Besides, as you rightly noted there is are blindspots when it comes to politics (from writers and readers alike). Have you ever read the comments under the articles? I think the writers are reasonable, but most of those who comment under the article are fairly campish and terribly biased. Obviously you may have a different opinion.

"And there lies the danger: quite frankly, there IS an evil part in me that wouldn't mind a bunch of stormtroopers storming gender studies faculties and eliminate this perverse, fascist and abusive pest. And I was a leftist most of my life! So better keep those sentiments in check!"

That is because of this, that I said that for me the backlash of the right is to fear more than the left. *You* can keep it in check. But how many people will? Taking into consideration that there are more people on the right or anti-left. BTW, I did read Detmer. Finished it a few days ago.

"The reasonable critics of left-wing insanity would be drowned out, any genuine leftist idea (such as about imperialism and Western meddling) would become suspect (this is already happening)."

When I mentioned "forbidden topics", I was thinking of this among other things. Perhaps, I should have been more specific.
 

Laura

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That is because of this, that I said that for me the backlash of the right is to fear more than the left. *You* can keep it in check. But how many people will? Taking into consideration that there are more people on the right or anti-left. BTW, I did read Detmer. Finished it a few days ago.

Then you should realize that the real question is: do you fear the boulder or the one who pushes it off the mountain to fall on the village? The left are busy as hell pushing on that darn boulder to get it to start rolling... if there was no Left, the boulder would sit there forever and everyone would be safe from its destructive potential.

Also, it isn't apparent that you have read Detmer and Haidt; If you have read these works, and still say what you are saying, then I have to wonder???
 

Anthony

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See my recent post in the "Challenging Postmodernism" thread. It seems to me that the Fascism of the Left will force the Fascism of the Right... and it seems to me that it is intended to do just that.

It's interesting that further research is confirming a prediction you made a year ago back when the whole Charlottesville thing was going on.

Ya'll might want to check out today's post on my FB page:


It also demonstrates how easily we are manipulated by higher forces, all the while thinking we're bringing on some positive change through identifying with ideologies and belief systems. We really are asleep and the tale of the evil magician comes to mind.
 

Laura

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Thanks for reminding me, Anthony! I had forgotten that post, but it sure is relevant today! I reposted it on my FB page.

It also highlights what Detmer says clearly: the Right has a firmer grasp on reality than the Left though it OUGHT not to be that way; thanks to Postmodernism, the Left has completely lost touch with reality.
 

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The more I think about the issue and the historical precedents, and how things "come around again", it seems to me that the experimental trial of the Nazis (as the Cs referred to it, a "trial run") has a few nuances that should be considered.

Back then, it was the National Socialists - basically, Leftists much like those today, though the ideology had a different slant - coming up in a single country and taking over. Then, they began to attempt to enforce their Leftist ideology on everyone around them. That led to a major reaction from the REST of the world, and the result was 65 million dead.

Today, there are camps of Leftists in many countries, and in many cases they are dominant in academia and government - elite enclaves - so clearly there is an ideological switcheroo. But we should not be confused by this because Lobaczewski explains the issues of ideologies quite well. So there are these Nazi/Leftists trying to impose their vision on everyone else and the result will be the same snap-back from the masses of ordinary people, driven into the arms of the far Right in self-defense, and what do you have? Global revolution. Instead of the rest of the world against Germany, Japan, Italy, it will be INSIDE different countries.

Well, I think it will happen in somewhat different ways and to different levels in different places, but in the US, where there has been no war on their own soil for over 150 years, I rather suspect it will be a big, bloody mess.
 

etezete

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The more I think about the issue and the historical precedents, and how things "come around again", it seems to me that the experimental trial of the Nazis (as the Cs referred to it, a "trial run") has a few nuances that should be considered.

Back then, it was the National Socialists - basically, Leftists much like those today, though the ideology had a different slant - coming up in a single country and taking over. Then, they began to attempt to enforce their Leftist ideology on everyone around them. That led to a major reaction from the REST of the world, and the result was 65 million dead.

Today, there are camps of Leftists in many countries, and in many cases they are dominant in academia and government - elite enclaves - so clearly there is an ideological switcheroo. But we should not be confused by this because Lobaczewski explains the issues of ideologies quite well. So there are these Nazi/Leftists trying to impose their vision on everyone else and the result will be the same snap-back from the masses of ordinary people, driven into the arms of the far Right in self-defense, and what do you have? Global revolution. Instead of the rest of the world against Germany, Japan, Italy, it will be INSIDE different countries.

Well, I think it will happen in somewhat different ways and to different levels in different places, but in the US, where there has been no war on their own soil for over 150 years, I rather suspect it will be a big, bloody mess.

I suspect it will be a big bloody mess quite literally here in Germany, too.

Referring to the bolded part:

It is already starting that people, whom I, up to now, considered as quite reasonable conservatives, are thinking loudly (in youtube vids that dont last long) about a new definition of "national-socialistic" ...

At school and at university teachers and profs treated the Nazis (the real ones back then) as a right wing party, which can surely be disputed. They did have a socialistic part to them in the way of collectivising money via taxes from rich to poor (in a nutshell) and to the very poor they gave gardens big enough to self-supply them, even in the years of war. Friends of mine still own the garden that was given to their greatgrandmother. It is not a small piece of land.

And by the way do not forget, that the Antifa movement started as a paramilitary arm of the KPD, the communist party of Germany.

As I already said on the German Situation Thread, Lauras comment that "trying to impose their vision on everyone else and the result will be the same snap-back from the masses of ordinary people, driven into the arms of the far Right in self-defense" is exactly what I see in/for Germany now.
 

Laura

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That business of "trying to impose their vision on everyone else" is a real problem because it is always couched in the two-note terms of the Left as described in Haidt's book. It reminds me a lot of the descriptions of pathological types in the book "In Sheep's Clothing", who always say "I'm just trying to do it for your own good..." or "Don't you CARE about ____?" in a shocked tone. And Lefty Do-Gooders really are wolves in sheep's clothing because there is no lie they won't tell to make themselves look good, look like they are really caring people, when nothing could be further from the truth. And that is, of course, where Postmodernism comes in as the most handy philosophical underpinning for this Lying way of life. If there is no truth, why do they even need to bother with facts?

Well, I'm already fairly hostile toward the left because I can no longer get my brand of cigarettes that I've been smoking for 44 years. And I'm pretty hostile about their "Global Warming" scam that covers up the real threat to humanity while really providing a cash cow for elites. And what about the vilification of meat eating and shoving vegetarianism down people's throats?
 

etezete

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So, Laura, as you mention it AND live in France, is it true that there were several assaults on butchers in France by vegans/vegetarians? One man even killed by Muslims because of his profession?

_Frankreichs Metzger haben Angst vor militanten Veganern

Headline translated: Butchers of France fear militant vegans

I came across this news today and the comment section was full of "another fake story (although butchers would earn bloodiest deaths)". The hatred and will to harm other people not of ones same opinion seems to be endless, fake news or not.
 

Adaryn

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So, Laura, as you mention it AND live in France, is it true that there were several assaults on butchers in France by vegans/vegetarians? One man even killed by Muslims because of his profession?

_Frankreichs Metzger haben Angst vor militanten Veganern

Headline translated: Butchers of France fear militant vegans

I came across this news today and the comment section was full of "another fake story (although butchers would earn bloodiest deaths)". The hatred and will to harm other people not of ones same opinion seems to be endless, fake news or not.

Yes, this is crazy. And unfortunately, it's no "fake news" but "real news". Butchers in France are calling for police protection after a spate of attacks by vegan and animal rights activists:

French butchers have issued a plea for police protection against vegans, whom they blame for a series of attacks designed to “spread terror” among meat-lovers.

The butchers say they are coming under “physical, verbal and moral" attack from vegans and animal rights groups in the land of the “steak frites”, and warn that animosity against their profession is being fuelled by heavy media exposure to the anti-meat cause.

They are asking for the interior minister, Gérard Collomb, to intervene.

Their request comes days after a rotisserie in Lille, northern France, was vandalised - the fourth such incident of its kind in a matter of weeks. In the Hauts-de-France of northern France, seven butchers and charcuteries were attacked and sprayed with false blood in April.

Several other similar incidents were reported in the southwestern Occitanie region, they said.

In a letter to the minister, Jean-François Guihard, president of the French federation of butchers and caterers said: “We are counting on your services and on the support of the entire government to stop as swiftly possible” such attacks.

The 18,000 butchers of France were “worried about media overexposure of the vegan way of life”, said the federation chief.

Butchers were “shocked” by a section of society that “wishes to impose its way of life, not to mention its ideology, on the vast majority” of meat-eating French people, he added.

Besides the rotisserie, animal welfare activists also targeted a butcher, a fishmonger and a restaurant selling meat dishes in Lille in May.

Each time they smashed windows and scrawled the words “No to speciesism” on the shopfront. Popular with animal rights advocates, the term “speciesism” suggests that mistreating non-human species is a form of discrimination akin to racism or sexism.
Martine Aubry, the mayor of Lille, has said the town hall intends to file a legal complain against persons unknown.
With only around three per cent of the population vegetarian or vegan in France, the notion of dropping meat from the menu has been slow to catch on and even frowned upon in a country proud of its boeuf bourguignon and foie gras.

But French butchers have hit the headlines in recent months following a spate of hard-hitting reportages in abattoirs and battery farms - several by the animal welfare group L214 - revealing the apparently inhumane conditions in which animals are being kept and killed.
The butchers’ federation pointed out that late March, a vegan activist had even hailed the murder of a butcher in a supermarket in Trèbes, near Carcassonne by an Islamist terrorist.

The activist posted a Facebook message saying she had no qualms over the killing of butcher Christian Medvès, one of four people killed by gunman Radouane Lakdim on 23 March. "So does it shock you that a murderer gets killed by a terrorist? Not me, I have zero compassion for him, there is justice in it," she wrote.

The activist later received a seven-month suspended prison sentence for “condoning terrorism”.
“Faced with this escalation of violence, what will be the next stage?,” asked the federation.

The French butchers' plea for help comes a month after Britain's Countryside Alliance warned that attacks on small businesses by vegan activists were on the rise.

Death threats, stoked by social media and encouraged by international groups of activists, have caused butchers and farmers to "live in fear," they warned.

French farmers and butchers have been fighting of late to improve the image of the meat industry.

In April, the French parliament passed a law making it illegal for vegetarian food producers to use “steak”, “merguez”, “bacon” or “sausage” - or any other meat-related expression - to describe food that is not partly or wholly composed of meat.

Even vegetarian products promising to have a “bacon taste” will be out of bounds. In what was seen as a victory for France’s powerful meat lobby, MPs vote the change on the grounds that customers were being misled.
 
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