The quandry of the Boomers.

That’s what I meant by dumb luck. Being born in a favorable time during the life cycle of the empire. Perfect circumstances to prosper even if you were clueless
Maybe if you were a man. When I was starting my career after High School in the mid-70s, the basic options (at least in my area) for a female were a shop clerk, secretary, nurse, or teacher. None of which at that time, paid very well at all. Most women I knew that went to college were looking for a husband who would buy the house, etc. I know I certainly couldn't afford to buy one on my salary as a secretary.
 
I do think America in particular is suffering from a severe case of rule by the *very* old, if I were to use that term.

Trump, Biden etc don't have the sort of skin in the game that a politician who is 40 or 50 yrs would have.
To be fair Trump has been against the trade deficit since before he was that age and Japan was the main trading problem instead of China. The main problem with Globalization is losing your self-sufficiency as a country. Combine that with massive continuous government budget deficits and it's a recipe for disaster. In a sense older Trump is better than younger Trump since older Trump decided to try the now hopeless task of fixing the problem. Not having as much skin in the game does have the advantage that you can take a bigger personal risk.
 
I think part of the issue is there are some boomers who tell younger generations to do things just like they did to make a life for themselves. The problem is that boomers had a much better situation. Here's an interesting substack that discusses one big issue - home ownership.

Thank you @Beau , for the much needed perspective! Matrix moment, no less.
 
Here's an interesting substack that discusses one big issue - home ownership

Great chart, nice article, thank you. Some quotes from it.
That's not a societal transformation. It's not an economic fluke. It's the visible outcome of an invisible strategy—one that extracted everything it could from a three-generation arc and left only illusions in its place.
This wasn't merely economic. It was existential. The foundations of meaning—family, ownership, stability—were quietly downgraded to lifestyle preferences, and then systematically priced out. People without homes are easier to relocate. People without families are easier to isolate. People without rootedness are easier to govern.
The good news is that once the spell breaks, you stop trying to win the rigged game. You stop competing for scraps and start building something real. Not a nostalgic replica of a world that's gone—but a new structure, grounded in truth, agency, and actual sovereignty. The chart that documents the death of the old dream becomes the blueprint for something better—if we're honest enough to read what it's really telling us.
Let's hope Paul is right -- "beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things."
 
I have never known a blame game to be productive or enlightening in any situation. It seems more and more valid to think that Rodney King was right: “Can’t we all just get along?” To broad brush everybody between the ages of 60 and 80 is the height of arrogance. It is the same as broad brushing any “generation.” What’s with naming each generation anyway? Sounds like an agenda to me.

Almost 60,000 boomers are known to have died in an illegal, insane and barbaric Asian war. I’m not condoning any war, especially when they are based on a lie. Regrettably, because we were in an era that said “trust the government,” some fell for it. The ones that didn’t fall for it still paid for it. Maybe that’s a valuable lesson succeeding generations can learn from some boomers. Question everything. While you still can.

Sure, a lot of boomers fell for propaganda, but I remember boomers having signs on their lawn contesting the UN and NATO, and that was before the internet. They had to read books and periodicals to get beyond the propaganda.

People did pay into social security, a deduction which was taxed. In many jurisdictions (mine included) it’s taxed a second time as income. The same holds true for medicare costs – they are taxed when deducted and taxed when one pays medicare premiums in retirement.

Interesting to note that people come to this site which was created and is run by a baby-boomer. If boomers are so evil and terrible, why are those people here? I wonder how many FOTCM and forum members are boomers. I submit that they are contributing more to a better world, a better life, a better future than the complainers.

I understand that some people don’t like boomer era music. Given that the CIA produced a lot of it, that’s understandable. I’m not enamored of many genres of music. Never thought that would be an issue worth writing about. But, as James T. Kirk said, “There’s no accounting for taste.” BTW I’m not big on yellow and lavender striped or lime green hair or wires sticking out of one’s face, but that’s the point of free will, is it not?....so long as you are good mother, father, child, sibling, neighbor and don’t impose one’s own preferences or peculiar morality on others, I figure go ahead and dye your head purple.

I wonder what generations march veritably naked down the street wearing dildos and chanting “We’re here we’re q**** and we’re coming for your children.” Perhaps we should malign everyone in that generation too. And what have succeeding generations contributed? Cutting down forests to build toxic windmills? Toxic waxeens? Universal surveillance? Womens Lib? Political hyperbole? Censorship? Fifteen minute cities? Polluted air and water? How about snitching? During the plandemic, every snitch I ran into (and I ran into a lot of them) was under 40. Most of the “old” people I knew, didn’t give a dam*. In other words, maybe the pot calling the kettle black is not the best strategy if you want to win the argument.

I am 100% aligned with the fact that there are lots of evil, wicked and greedy boomers. A lot of them are called “politicians” and CEOs.

On the other hand, there are likely exponentially more boomers who built America (literally). Roads, bridges, highways, airplanes, cars, homes, power plants, dams, skyscrapers, plumbers, electricians, car mechanics, authors, poets. And they did get paid for their work and some (but not all) earned pensions and some were smart enough to invest wisely and others lived very frugally to save up their money to live on when they could no longer get a job. That certainly doesn’t seem like entitlements.

As the saying goes, “I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

That’s what I like about this forum. I can agree or disagree, believe or not believe, like or not like, trust or not trust but there is always something to learn and any member can express themselves freely.
 
Reading this thread reminds me of a song fromthe '60's/'70's
.One Tin Soldier
ONE TIN SOLDIER

The Original Caste 1969
Songwriters: Brian Potter / Dennis Earle Lambert

Listen, children, to a story
That was written long ago
About a kingdom on a mountain
And the valley folk below
On the mountain was a treasure
Buried deep beneath a stone
And the valley people swore
They'd have it for their very own

Go ahead and hate your neighbor
Go ahead and cheat a friend
Do it in the name of heaven, justify it in the end
There won't be any trumpets blowing come the judgment day
On the bloody morning after
One tin soldier rides away

So the people of the valley sent a message up the hill
Asking for the buried treasure
Tons of gold for which they'd kill
Came an answer from the kingdom
With our brothers, we will share
All the secrets of our mountain
All the riches buried there

Now the valley cried with anger
Mount your horses, draw your sword
And they killed the mountain people, so they won their just reward
Now they stood beside the treasure, on the mountain, dark and red
Turned the stone and looked beneath it
Peace on earth was all it said

Go ahead and hate your neighbor
Go ahead and cheat a friend
Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end
There won't be any trumpets blowing come the judgment day
On the bloody morning after
One tin soldier rides away
 
Maybe if you were a man. When I was starting my career after High School in the mid-70s, the basic options (at least in my area) for a female were a shop clerk, secretary, nurse, or teacher. None of which at that time, paid very well at all. Most women I knew that went to college were looking for a husband who would buy the house, etc. I know I certainly couldn't afford to buy one on my salary as a secretary.
I never had any sense of doors being closed to me because I was female. I should have finished high school in 76, so we're maybe close to the same age. My parents did a lot of things wrong, but what they did right was to help us look seriously into any and every possibility of interest. No one was pushed. I never felt any expectation to even go to college. But almost all of us (counting step kids) wound up with terminal degrees and decent careers in completely unrelated fields.
 
I think that what people perceive as the baby boomers' fault is the system that consolidated since when these boomers were young and brainwashed by television: sexual perversion became mainstream in the 60/70, money worship in the 60s/70s, etc. When young people feel trapped with no future, and watch a partly romanticized and partly real image of how people used to live two or three generations prior, their instinctive response is "why did you let things deteriorate this much? daddy what you leaved behind for me"?
 
The war on Baby Boomers, and to an extent, Gen Xers, is real.

I'm witnessing now, in real time, an enormous push, reflected in social media, to accomplish greater generational divide, with Baby Boomers as the targeted punching bag. Disinformation and identity politics as tools of division work very well. I see hints that leftist politicians have been encouraging this enmity among younger generations. Some example posts, found in just ten minutes, are below.

Thanks for the post PopHistorian. I think this is a great topic to air out. From my experience as a millennial, I can confirm that the war on baby boomers is real. The generational divide and inability to afford a home or life in general is a frequent topic of conversation for my generation. I think the main points of contention were well covered by your and Beau's post and my only addition is the generational character development angle.

I grew up in a quintessential middle-upper class suburbia which was literally built for boomers and was full of doctors, lawyers, pharmaceutical reps, early software programmers, financiers, and so on. My parents and all my friends parents had it made. Many if not most of my friends had second homes for vacation. Paying a mortgage, raising children, going on vacation, buying new cars, saving for retirement was a breeze for the boomers I grew up around. They were just in the right place at the right time. The flipside was that the relative ease in which a super comfortable life was acquired led to stunted character development. Generally speaking, the boomers I grew up around were narcissistic, emotionally unstable, substance-abusing teenagers who made terrible parents.

To me, that is my main gripe with the boomers I knew. It is one thing to easily accumulate wealth. To me, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. It is another thing entirely to abdicate your responsibility to raise healthy, balanced children who have the basic skills to navigate life's challenges. At the core of the generational divide, I think that is the true source of the angst.
 
I never had any sense of doors being closed to me because I was female. I should have finished high school in 76, so we're maybe close to the same age
I finished in '74. I came from a small town in a depressed area where there wasn't much work opportunity when the mills shut down, but most folks still never left the area.. My dad didn't made it past 8th grade, he had to quit and start working to help support their family (my grandparents were immigrants) and did manual labor his whole life. My mom encouraged my brother to go to college, to get away, I guess. It seemed more important to her for the male to have a career. Somehow I ended up at "secretary school" since I didn't fancy bagging groceries, couldn't stomach nursing, and didn't want to teach children. Actually I didn't fancy being a secretary either, but I had to make a living. I really wanted to be an actress, but that seemed as remote as going to the moon. 🤷‍♀️
 
I think that what people perceive as the baby boomers' fault is the system that consolidated since when these boomers were young and brainwashed by television: sexual perversion became mainstream in the 60/70, money worship in the 60s/70s, etc. When young people feel trapped with no future, and watch a partly romanticized and partly real image of how people used to live two or three generations prior, their instinctive response is "why did you let things deteriorate this much? daddy what you leaved behind for me"?
Good point, that very romanticized vision of life in the US is what drove a lot of immigration, which in itself created another pressure point for the booming economic prosperity. But also, there's the fact that we as humans have a tendency to simply blame someone for everything. It's easier to find fault out there and back then, than to look at life today and see where our priorities are placed and see if there's hope of making our own lives better.

What I'm saying is that a lot of younger kids today would look back at boomers and say, they lived better, and there is a reason given what Beau shared, but at the same time, they won't adopt some of the values that reigned then and see if that was part of the prosperity. It's like, you had a great life and you behaved in this way with these values, I'm going to behave completely opposite to that and expect the same results, and when I don't get them, I will blame you for it.
 
Here's an interesting substack that discusses one big issue - home ownership.

Interesting article, and notwithstanding the articles valid points, 40 years ago was also the rise of DINK's, which created other gaps (primarily in the West) during this early period against other boomers in kind, who did not follow that lifestyle choice. That name's meaning also seems to have transcended boomer times (by necessity?), as it is pretty common state today, except that it is also common that it is SINK's (single income no kids) who are also not homeowners, too, according to the chart in the substack article. Much harder still, is the state of single income with kids and no home (divorce rates et cetera).

Some boomers caused much future hardship, but they were not necessarily at the helm of war, commerce and politics that then shaped (that would cycle later as they grew up), it was indeed their parents helmsmen who steered the societal ship, which the some of the boomers inherited. Thus, greed knows no age, and with the singleness of the way things now are, backdropped against the socioeconomic conditions of our current times, it seems there is also more singular greed and a type of viciousness by individuals without a moral code, or a moral code that was never crystalized. With the rise of social activists, in the way that it seems to be today, things will not end well, or so it seems.

A footnote on the age of the boomers that is perhaps under appreciated, by the time many of them came of age, work was hard to find, wages were super low, interest rates were a killer and inflation started to grow. Unlike today, most people drove old cars and had to fix them themselves. When and if they purchased a house, often it was the cheapest they could find and they worked day and night to renovate if it could be afforded, as they were old to begin with. Purchasing food was not so simple starting out either, even though it seems cheap by comparison. There was no credit, to even get a loan was not at all easy. To afford a higher education was no walk in the park, and one could go on. Conversely, one can easily find many today starting out who somehow have much that would have been impossible before, I don't even know how they do it. At the same time, one can see many who opted out of uni and found a carrier/trade where they work really hard, i mean really hard, where they are also raising a family and doing quite well by comparison to boomers at the time.

At the end of the day, all the demographic age class-fair that exists (boomers, x, y, z or what have you), are on the same societal train, a runaway train where the view outside looks to be sometimes serine enough, and moving slowly, where people together are watching the clowns and circuses' go by. However, it is just not so, the wheels of the train are falling off and the ptb know it. They have made strides to shape it, to count on it happening, even pulling up tracks ahead while quickly transferring wealth. So, (IMO) it does no single group any good to point fingers at the other, when from the get-go a ponerogenic system took over the controls.

Looking into equivalencies in history, and there is bound to be some, yet on a different scale of contrasts, came across this on singleness:

Von
Sabine R. Huebner
Singleness is not only a new and rapidly increasing lifestyle of the present day. It has also become a fashionable field of research in social history. During a series of sessions at the European Social Science History Conference (Glasgow, 2012), questions were raised about the structural and cultural particularities of ‘single life’ in cities. A conference at the University of Antwerp (Singles in the Cities of North-West Europe, c. 1000–2000) in March 2013 further expanded upon the insights from the Glasgow conference.
In this new field of research the silence of ancient historians is striking. This may be partly explained by the lack of demographical data: there are virtually no statistics or censuses to indicate how many men or women were single in the towns and villages of the Roman Empire. But far more problematic is the definition of singleness. In a society which did not yet know the Christian concept of marriage, in an environment where both the contracting of a marriage and divorce were quick and easy, the lines between married and unmarried were somewhat vague. This may explain why there is no proper or much-used Latin or ancient Greek word to denote the status of a bachelor or spinster. We might even raise the question whether singleness for the ancient period could possible be defined as being unmarried. But even without the criterion of marriage, other approaches towards singleness in antiquity are possible.

Could not find early Roman statistics on marriage (let alone home ownership), although some interesting things came up in the following, which has contradictions:

ROMAN CENSUS STATISTICS FROM 225 TO 28 B.C. (JSOR pdf on Beloch's interpretations)


On home ownership, was reading in one of the Romance novels, don't know which one, that discussed French home ownership vs English back when, and although conditions were very hard, the French citizens across the channel did own homes, where couples talked about its care and realities, even political realities that impacted them. At the same time across the channel in England, it was the elites who owned (proprietas) with tenants who simply had no ownership or say. Society seems to be moving back into that English script of old - the own nothing and be happy screed.
 
Society seems to be moving back into that English script of old - the own nothing and be happy screed.
Or along scientific materialism and socialism applied across the Eastern Bock Communist countries since the end of WWIi. It is true, the reality of nothing left was immediately embraced by the majority of very pragmatic (by necessity), young boomers happy and proud to do reconstruction volunteer work for a tracksuit, food and construction camp accommodation (my parents). And they continued to own nothing as all assets were owned by the working class (everyone) under the custodianship of the state.
That is how an experimental egalitarian paradise system controlling everyone from cradle to grave was formed. The only route to advancement was personal excellence (equally so in discretion and personal 'diplomacy') and proficiency in work ethics and values (family, societal, moral). I am a proud product of such system and there is no day without asking myself what else can I do but learn better.

I wonder what is next.
 
In 1802, Thomas Jefferson said, “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency … the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless." (quoted by BlueMoonofShanghai)

Blue Moon states: "And yet this is precisely what has happened. .........This “home shortage” is not an accident; it is part of the agenda. No such event could occur “by accident” in 25 or 30 countries simultaneously. Montagu Norman meant what he said about people being docile when they have no home, or at least no home that they own."
 
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