Trump's 'Liberation Day': US govt imposes tariffs to 'reset' global trade, 'MAGA', 'defeat' China - Will it work?

This is my take on the Tariff Game Trump is pushing. Trump need the US to ultimately benefit when the dust settles. I see no way the US could lose in this game because they were getting zero import tax from their major trading partners.

Trump team behind this import tax has done their homework ; they have been fully prepared so it’s up to Trump to do what he does best (Art of the Deal).I think he will have his way in the end most of these leaders are weak they are no way close to Putin.
 
The pro-China analysts are equally convinced that the US has gone bonkers. From Arnaud Bertrand:


The full text of his post on X:

It is indeed "one of the most extraordinary Truth posts of Trump's presidency" in the sheer level of gaslighting at play: he's trying to make one of the biggest and clearest humiliations in US history look like a win.

But there's no amount of lipstick that can disguise this pig. What happened is remarkably similar to the 2022 Liz Truss fiasco in the UK: Trump came out with a remarkably foolish and terribly executed policy that created a market panic—including in the bonds market—and he had to walk it back.

But unlike the British system that—for better or worse—can get rid of woefully incompetent Prime Ministers (that is, more incompetent than the average), the U.S. is stuck with Trump.

And unlike Liz Truss, Trump remains insulated by a circle of sycophants like Lutnick who reframe humiliating capitulations as 'extraordinary' triumphs, and a voter base that interprets even his most flagrant policy failures as masterful 4D chess moves.

In fairness to Truss, she was hung out to dry by the Bank of England, which leaked her plan to 'the markets'...

Fact is, even after this retreat, the U.S. is in a far worse position than it used to be.

Contrary to what Lutnick and Trump are saying, what this episode proved beyond doubt is that the world is NOT ready "to work with President Trump to fix global trade". In fact, besides Israel's Netanyahu, I haven't seen a single country on earth come out publicly to support Trump's plan.

Sure, a couple of weaker countries who are heavily dependent on trade have reluctantly come forward to find a way to mitigate the damage Trump would do to their economies but to conflate this with enthusiastic cooperation is pure fantasy.

What we're witnessing instead is damage control by nations caught in the crossfire of his insane economic policies. And you can be sure that the long-term strategy of these countries will now be to reduce dependencies and trading links to the U.S. in order to avoid being caught in a similar situation in the future.

More importantly, the countries that together make up about 50% of trade with the U.S.—namely Canada, the EU and China—have all announced retaliatory tariffs and measures, which a) means that Trump's claim that countries other than China "aren't retaliating in any way, shape, or form against the United States" is a complete lie and b) shows that his approach has accomplished the remarkable feat of uniting geopolitical rivals in opposition to him.

Which is undoubtedly why his new approach seems to be to single-handedly focus on China, with a retreat to the good old U.S. strategy of trying to get others to help them contain China.This has zero chance of working either, for 2 main reasons.

The first one is that if Trump has demonstrated one thing in the past 3 months, it's that he's fundamentally unstable and unreliable, and so is the United States. His chaotic governance sends a clear message to the world: America's word means nothing beyond the next Truth Social post.

If the notion that a country would take the risk of putting all its eggs in the American basket was already delusional before his presidency; it is now beyond absurd. What he's done is transform America from a cornerstone of global trade into a risk factor that must be hedged against.

The second one is that the "deal" on the table for these countries is absolutely repugnant, from their standpoint.I mean, think about it: the "deal" would presumably be for these nations to abandon or significantly reduce their economic relationship with China—their largest trading partner in many cases—in exchange for a trading relationship with the U.S. that is worse than it used to be, with 10% additional tariffs. In effect it's asking countries to sacrifice their economic sovereignty and strategic flexibility for a lesser punishment.

It's a lose-lose proposition that might play well on Truth Social, but will get you laughed out of the room in the world of international relations. Unless you're say a tiny country that has the misfortune of being too weak and dependent on the American market.

But even in this latter case, these countries might amuse Trump in the short-term but they'll undoubtedly put in place long-term strategies to de-hitch themselves from the US crazy train as fast as possible in the medium term.

So all in all, what we're looking at here is not a strategic masterstroke but the desperate flailing of an administration that didn't anticipate how markets and trading partners would respond to economic coercion.

Trump has admitted that the bond market response spurred him to climb down with his "90-day pause."

Trump is "teaching the world a lesson" all right: he taught them that America is now the biggest threat they face for their prosperity and the result of this won't be to "work with him", but to hedge themselves as much as they can from the American madness he's unleashed.

History will remember this not as an "extraordinary" moment of American strength, but as the point when the world concluded that diversifying away from the American market was no longer just economically prudent but existentially necessary for their own economic security.
 
I think one thing Trump exposed was how easily, people with power. can manipulate markets. On Monday itself, the test was given. A fake news story gave the market a boost before a "black Monday". Quite a success indeed. Then the 90-day pause announcement gave Trump a graceful way out of the mess he got the world into. You have to be flexible, Trump told reporters when questioned about his decision.​


The war continues with China which he won't be able to bring to its knees so easily. Even Putin remarked that the U.S. efforts to curb China's rise are futile, comparing it to trying to stop the sun from rising, and suggesting that America is "15 years too late" in its attempts to hinder China's economic ascent.


Incidentally, Russia's position so far has been stoic, that of an observer of the world stage. Putin referred to a Chinese proverb, stating, "When tigers fight in the valley, the clever monkey sits back and watches how it ends." This suggests that Putin sees Russia as strategically staying out of the fray, watching the economic conflict between the two world powers unfold.

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Putin is wise unlike the white house bully.

Do nothing is the strategy.


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The war continues with China which he won't be able to bring to its knees so easily. Even Putin remarked that the U.S. efforts to curb China's rise are futile, comparing it to trying to stop the sun from rising, and suggesting that America is "15 years too late" in its attempts to hinder China's economic ascent.
Can we find out when he said that? Did he say it in response to Trump's tariffs?
 
I read the article, and didn't see a quote from Trump admitting he acted because of the bond market.

Not a quote per se, but a reasonable inference from what he did and didn't say:

President Donald Trump has admitted that his decision to delay further tariff hikes was driven in part by a sharp downturn in US financial markets, saying he was closely monitoring investor sentiment as people grew too “yippy” and “afraid” before announcing a 90-day freeze.

On Wednesday morning, Trump urged Americans to “be cool” and told investors that “this is a great time to buy,” after US markets lost more than $1.5 trillion in capitalization the day before. The sell-off came ahead of the implementation of a 104% tariff on Chinese imports and sweeping new levies on dozens of other countries.

Just hours later, the president announced his decision to keep most tariffs at a “baseline” 10 percent – except for China, which saw its rate raised even further to 125 percent. Speaking to reporters later that day, Trump said he had been tracking the markets closely before taking action.

I was watching the bond market. The bond market is very tricky. I was watching it. But if you look at it now, it’s... it’s beautiful,” he said. “But, yeah, I saw last night where people were getting a little queasy. I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line. They were getting yippy, you know? They were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit… afraid."
 
I read the article, and didn't see a quote from Trump admitting he acted because of the bond market.
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Bond yields are inverse to the price of the bond, and US government bond yields can guide the market on over all interest rates. During last year we saw this in action, with the fed cutting their rates but bond yields remaining stubbornly high, diverging and pushing higher.

When "Liberation Day" dropped, investors fled into USTs, raising their value and pushing down yields (presumably this is the result Trump was looking for). But then a couple days in, the reverse happened. Bonds were dumped aggressively, sending yields way higher than the tariff announcement day. Presumably this was due to retaliatory action by China. There's a possibility that this is what spooked him, so Niall's comment makes sense. Anyway, if he wants yields down then he's talking nonsense, they certainly do not look "beautiful" now either, with rates still >10 basis points higher than last Thursday.


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I think it's easy enough to say everything Trump does and the consequences thereof is part of a plan. It's hard to argue against that statement.

I'd say, let's judge Trump by the results of his actions.

Btw, this is a decent guy to keep tabs on:

I don't know for sure, but I just assume no president actually does anything without the approval of the deep state elites. I think when one assumes this, one is mostly going to be correct.

So I wonder what exactly is the plan of these people whom we don't know who they are, but they always push and influence the levers of power?

Assuming that the previous system was unsustainable and was going to crash anyways at some point, and since we have already the idea that they very probably plan for a "controlled" (wishful thinking there!) economic collapse of the world economy to then try bring about measures in response to the collapse which will include digital IDs in which to try enslave everyone, could they be USING Trump and his personal and poorly uninformed obsession with tariffs to further their agenda?

Just pondering the bigger picture here, and not saying I know anything for sure.
 
I am curious as to who will end up not meeting at the WH with Trump over the tariffs, it's like Trump is pulling a global Art of the Deal.

I did run into an interesting article from Global Times that I felt was worth sharing here, mostly to see China's stance over this whole thing. Trump might be negotiating, but there's always the risk of someone calling his bluff.

This article fully grasps the crux of the issue. It is clearly written by somebody with a brain. At the end of the day, trade is why you can buy a sandwich for a few dollars, and don't have to grow and mill the ingredients yourself. To be anti-trade is to be anti-growth, economically and maybe spiritually.

Now compare and contrast with Steve Miran's recent rambling, published on no less than the Whitehouse website. It sums up perfectly the deranged, psychopathic, exceptionalist mindset, with almost every word being an exact inversion of the truth.

Basically the US carries out "public goods", preserving liberty and peace for all. Providing the world reserve currency is such a burden for poor USA. It is because of these other evil countries that the US population is taxed into oblivion and struggles to make a living. It's everyone else's fault that we have huge trade and fiscal deficits. China caused the 2008 housing crisis. All in all, the USA is but the well-meaning victim of all these other freeloading countries. But we can stop all this if all you share that burden with us and give us tribute.

I haven't seen this article discussed in many places, but it is absolutely psychotic and definitely worth a read.


Today I’d like to discuss the United States’ provision of what economists call “global public goods,” for the entire world. First, the United States provides a security umbrella which has created the greatest era of peace mankind has ever known. Second, the U.S. provides the dollar and Treasury securities, reserve assets which make possible the global trading and financial system which has supported the greatest era of prosperity mankind has ever known.

Both of these are costly to us to provide. On the defense side, our men and women in uniform take heroic risks to make our nation and the world safer, preserving our liberties generation after generation. [🤢] And we tax hardworking Americans mightily to finance global security. On the financial side, the reserve function of the dollar has caused persistent currency distortions and contributed, along with other countries’ unfair barriers to trade, to unsustainable trade deficits. These trade deficits have decimated our manufacturing sector and many working-class families and their communities, to facilitate non-Americans trading with each other.

Let me clarify that by “reserve currency,” I mean all the international functions of the dollar—private savings and trade included. I’ve often used the example that when private agents in two separate foreign countries trade with each other, it’s typically denominated in dollars because of America’s status as the reserve provider. That trade entails savings housed in dollar securities, often Treasurys. As a result of all this, Americans have been paying for peace and prosperity not just for themselves, but for non-Americans too.

President Trump has made it clear that he will no longer stand for other nations free-riding on our blood, sweat, and tears, whether in national security or trade. The Trump Administration has already, in its first hundred days, moved forcefully to reorient our defense and trading relationships to place Americans on fairer ground. The President has promised to rebuild our broken industrial base and pursue trade terms that put American workers and businesses first.

I’m an economist and not a military strategist, so I’ll dwell more on trade than on defense, but the two are deeply connected. To see how it works, imagine two foreign nations, say China and Brazil, trading with each other. Neither country has a currency that is trusted, liquid, and convertible, which makes trading with each other challenging. However, because they can transact in U.S. dollars backed by U.S. Treasuries, they are able to trade freely with each other and prosper. Such trade can only occur because of U.S. military might ensuring our financial stability and the credibility of our borrowing. Our military and financial dominance cannot be taken for granted; and the Trump Administration is determined to preserve them.

But our financial dominance comes at a cost. While it is true that demand for dollars has kept our borrowing rates low, it has also kept currency markets distorted. This process has placed undue burdens on our firms and workers, making their products and labor uncompetitive on the global stage, and forcing a decline of our manufacturing workforce by over a third since its peak1 and a reduction in our share of world manufacturing production of 40%.

We need to be able to make things in this country, as we saw during Covid, when many of our supply chains could not survive without being reliant on our biggest adversary, China. We clearly should not rely on our biggest adversary for equipment essential to keeping our population safe and secure. Nor should our biggest adversary be allowed to benefit so much from an international security and financial architecture we finance.

There are other unfortunate side effects of providing reserve assets. Others may buy our assets to manipulate their own currency to keep their exports cheap. In doing so, they end up pumping so much money into the U.S. economy that it fuels economic vulnerabilities and crises. For example, in the years running up to the 2008 crash, China along with many foreign financial institutions, increased their holdings of U.S. mortgage debt, which helped fuel the housing bubble, forcing hundreds of billions of dollars of credit into the housing sector without regard as to whether the investments made sense. China played a meaningful role creating the Global Financial Crisis. It took almost a decade to recover, until President Trump got us back on track in his first term.

In my view, to continue providing these twin global public goods, there needs to be improved burden-sharing at the global level. If other nations want to benefit from the U.S. geopolitical and financial umbrella, then they need to pull their weight, and pay their fair share. The costs cannot be solely borne by everyday Americans who have already given so much.

The best outcome is one in which America continues to create global peace and prosperity and remain the reserve provider, and other countries not only participate in reaping the benefits, but they also participate in bearing the costs. By improving burden sharing, we can enhance resilience, and preserve the global security and trading systems for many decades into the future.

Moreover, it is critical not just for fairness, but for capacity. We are under siege by hostile adversaries trying to erode our manufacturing and defense industrial base and disrupt our financial system; we will be able to provide neither defense nor reserve assets if our manufacturing capacity is hollowed out. The President has been clear that the United States is committed to remaining the reserve provider, but that the system must be made fairer. We need to rebuild our industries to project the strength needed to protect reserve status, and we need to be able to pay our bills to do so.

What forms can that burden sharing take? There are many options, here are a few ideas:

  • First, other countries can accept tariffs on their exports to the United States without retaliation, providing revenue to the U.S. Treasury to finance public goods provision. Critically, retaliation will exacerbate rather than improve the distribution of burdens and make it even more difficult for us to finance global public goods.
  • Second, they can stop unfair and harmful trading practices by opening their markets and buying more from America;
  • Third, they can boost defense spending and procurement from the U.S., buying more U.S.-made goods, and taking strain off our servicemembers and creating jobs here;
  • Fourth, they can invest in and install factories in America. They won’t face tariffs if they make their stuff in this country;
  • Fifth, they could simply write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods.
Tariffs deserve some extra attention. Most economists and some investors dismiss tariffs as counterproductive at best and devastatingly harmful at worst. They’re wrong.

One reason the economic consensus on tariffs is so wrong is because nearly all of the models that economists use to study international trade assume either no trade deficits at all, or assume that deficits are short-lived and quickly self-correct through currency adjustments. According to standard models, trade deficits will cause the dollar to weaken, which reduces imports and boosts exports, eventually wiping out the trade deficit. If that happens, tariffs may be unnecessary, because trade will balance itself over time and, in this view, intervening with tariffs can only make things worse.

However, that view is at odds with reality. The United States has run current account deficits now for five decades, and these have widened precipitously in recent years, going from about 2% of GDP in the first Trump Administration to a high of nearly 4% of GDP in the Biden Administration. And this has happened all while the dollar has appreciated, not depreciated!

The long run is here, and the models are wrong. One reason is that they fail to account for the U.S. provision of the global reserve currency. Reserve status matters and, because demand for the dollar has been insatiable, it has been too strong for international flows to balance, even over five decades.

More recent economic analyses allow for the possibility of persistent trade deficits that resist automatically rebalancing, which is more in line with reality in the U.S. They show that by imposing tariffs against exporting countries, the U.S. can improve economic outcomes, raise revenues, and impose huge losses for the tariffed nation, even with full retaliation.

In this sense, analysis of what economists call the “incidence” of tariffs indicates that a large share and burden of the tariffs are “paid for” by the country on which we’re applying the tariffs. Countries that run large trade surpluses are pretty inflexible—they can’t find other sources of demand to substitute for America’s. Instead, they have no choice but to export, and America is the largest consumer market in the world. By contrast, America has plenty of substitution options: we can make stuff at home, or we can buy from countries that treat us fairly instead of from countries that take advantage of us. This difference in leverage means that other countries end up bearing the cost of tariffs.

In 2018-2019, China bore the cost of President Trump’s historic tariffs through a weaker currency, meaning their citizens became poorer, with less purchasing power on the global stage. The tariff revenue, paid for by China, was used to finance President Trump’s tax cuts for American workers and firms. This time around, tariffs will help pay for both tax cuts and deficit reduction.

Lower taxes on Americans, financed in part by revenue provided from foreigners, will create economic growth, dynamism, and opportunity the likes of which our country has never seen, ushering in President Trump’s new Golden Age. Deficit reduction will help lower Treasury rates, and with them mortgage rates and consumer credit card rates, stimulating an economic boom.

It is important to note here that tariffs are not levied simply to collect revenues. For example, the President’s reciprocal tariffs are designed to address tariff and non-tariff barriers and other forms of cheating like currency manipulation, dumping, and subsidies to gain unfair advantage. Revenue is a nice side effect, and if it is used in part for lowering taxes, it can help turbo-charge competitiveness improvements that boost U.S. exports.

Burden sharing can allow the United States to continue leading the free world for many decades. It’s a must not only for fairness, but for feasibility. If we don’t rebuild our manufacturing sector, we will be strained in providing the security we need for our safety and to underpin our financial markets. The world can still have the American defense umbrella and trading system, but it’s got to start paying its fair share for them. Thank you, and I am happy to take some questions.


It becomes more clear every day that the East is led by adults, and the West is led entirely by children and psychopaths.

If this sums up the current administration's view of the world, then how will this go down in history? The empire, after decades of incessant meddling, now seeks to overcome, ignore or shut out the world.
 
From my standpoint, what Trump is doing now (especially in terms of tariffs) is in the air. I think there are several possibilities, that could also interplay:

- Trump (and/or the trusted sane parts of his team) are playing a game (or having a plan) that isn't quite clear, or more specifically, what the agenda and goal is.
- Trump is somewhat or even in large parts deluded, and it is really only his plan (tariffs, as publicly stated).
- Trump is somewhat or even in large parts deluded, and the deep state is fueling his delusions through agents that whisper in his ears (not only in terms of tariffs)
- Trump is almost 100% in the pockets of the deep state, and one of the goals of them is to tank the multipolar world and/or "defeat" China and/or Russia and/or make the economy crash.
- Trump himself has his eyes on China in some way (fueled by the deep state or not).
- A number of other possibilities.

My bet is on the first possibility. Although, any of the other options (or a combination of them) might be possible too.
 


Grok. How much wealth was transferred from the retirement accounts of working-class people to the pockets of the ultra-wealthy by Trump’s recent tariff policies?
There is no definitive evidence to confirm an exact amount of wealth transferred from the retirement accounts of working-class people to the ultra-wealthy due to Trump’s actions over the last week.

Market fluctuations have indeed occurred recently, with reports indicating significant stock market declines following Trump’s tariff announcements. For instance, the S&P 500 dropped nearly 10.5% in the days following, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell over 2,200 points on April 4, 2025. Such declines would naturally impact retirement accounts like 401(k)s, which are heavily invested in stocks.

Economic analyses suggest that tariffs and resulting market volatility can disproportionately affect working-class retirement savings while potentially benefiting wealthier investors who can hedge or capitalize on such conditions. For example, wealthy individuals and institutions might profit from short-term market movements or have the resources to adapt, whereas working-class individuals with 401(k)s tied to broader market indices may see losses.

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The S&P 500 Index jumped the most since 2008 following Trump’s surprise mid-day announcement, reversing steep losses over the past few days and boosting the fortunes of the world’s 500 richest people by an average 3.5 per cent. The Nasdaq Composite Index also rebounded, climbing the most in more than 24 years
The largest individual gainer Wednesday was Tesla Inc. CEO Elon Musk, who added $36 billion to his fortune as the EV manufacturer’s stock jumped 23%, followed by Meta Platforms Inc.’s Mark Zuckerberg, who gained almost $26 billion. Nvidia Corp.’s Jensen Huang saw his wealth rise $15.5 billion as the chipmaker’s shares rebounded 19%, nearly offsetting its 13% decline in the week to Tuesday’s close.

Grok fact-check the gains Bloomberg is claiming.
The $304B gain on April 9 is legit—financial reports confirm it, tied to a market surge after tariff pauses, with Musk alone gaining $36B. Wild swings!

Grok how much did billionaires lose during the market crash leading up to the claim of the largest single day gains?
Billionaires lost ~$536B over 2 days (April 3-4, 2025) due to a market crash from Trump’s tariffs.

Reports indicate that the market crash was severe, with Wall Street losing approximately $8 trillion in market value since Trump’s return to office, including nearly $6 trillion lost in just two trading sessions following the tariff announcement. Specifically, on Thursday, April 3, 2025, the world’s 500 richest people collectively lost $208 billion, marking the fourth-largest single-day decline in the Bloomberg Billionaires Index’s 13-year history and the most significant since the 2020 COVID-19 downturn. The following day, Friday, April 4, 2025, saw an additional $329 billion erased from the markets, the largest single-day reduction since the COVID-19 crisis. Together, these two days (April 3 and 4) resulted in a combined loss of $536 billion for the top 500 billionaires, as noted in posts on X and financial analyses.

Well, the ultra-wealthy haven't recovered what they have lost in the last few months but it looks promising right? This was just a foretaste of a succulent cake.

 
Trump is allowing Israel to bomb Iran if "the deal" is not reached.
I think it is most likely Trump's "initial maximum pressure" negotiation strategy, as stated in his book. You make the most outrageous demands or threats first, so that when you "arrive in the middle" during negotiations you end up getting exactly what you wanted in the first place.

The empire, after decades of incessant meddling, now seeks to overcome, ignore or shut out the world.
It looks more like a response to the BRICS and the growing multipolarity in the world, as well as preventing the currently unsustainable US financial system from collapsing due to too much debt.

I don't know for sure, but I just assume no president actually does anything without the approval of the deep state elites.
I think there is a large difference between Trump and most of the presidents since JFK. Trump is certainly also constrained by "deals" he made with representatives of the deep state. Most likely it is through the Zionists/Mossad that Trump is being kept in check to some degree. But he does seem to have a lot more leeway or freedom compared to puppets like Biden, Obama, Bush or the Clintons.
 
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