The Vegetarian Myth

[dredger]

@katarinak i just read the last posts of this thread and what you posted.
What you posted today, your second last post, astonished me !? I first felt that it was another person who typed it. You seem to take all that was written on this thread for yourself, as a direct attack against you, and react in consequence. It's a discussion, which was held before you reached the forum, it's simply digging on a subject and try to determinate what is, overally, the good and average diet for a human being, with a lot of reminders that everybody is different and that one must adapt to what he experience and feel.

So, my little advise of the day is : write on a notepad what you would like to answer, save it, and wait for the next day. Then the next day, re read what you typed the previous day and ask yourself if it's still worth it to post it, or modify and post, or re-write something completely different (?) In other words : try to avoid emotional reaction, let time pass, let it do its work. You can also wait to read the recommended book before coming back on this thread, it's a valuable addition to your knowledge.

That's just what i felt reading you, my two cents as some say. If this can help you then it's good.

 

[iamthatis]

My last post was mentioned generally and not personally. I try not to take things personally, although it's not always easy. I was honestly quite surprised that the way of not eating meat is so frowned upon.

Based on your above post, it seems that you feel that something bad 'was done' do you in this thread. I also don't see any evidence of that, even in a general. It's just a disagreement.

As for why a lot of us eat meat, no need for surprise as the evidence is all there if you take the time to read through it. I wonder if you're willing put on your curiosity hat and do that? No pressure of course, it's just that informed and conscious choices are better than choices that occur via the Law of Accident, to use a 4th Way term.

Food is for me a way which provides energy for the body. Whether a person is a vegetarian or not is his/her free decision. To be in the extreme or a fanatic on one side or the other is not right.

Calling eating meat extreme or fanaticism is pretty disingenuous. It's done on the basis of lots of research, sharing our experiences, and info from the C's - all that is a rational choice based on a lot of Work and a spiritual perception of reality. So I'd say it IS right to be generally suspicious of vegetarianism - in the most extreme case because it's been stated that this diet makes people the preferred prey of 4D STS.

Anyways, establishing a hierarchy of values is an important part of being able to live in truth. Truth is not a democracy where every voice counts equally. If one seems better, that's not extreme, and if people are committed to health, that's not fanaticism IMO.

I don't think that by becoming a vegetarian one will have a weakened immunity, feel worse, etc. I also feel that being a vegetarian has probably helped me heal from my asthma and from a physical point of view my body is healthier than it was 12 years ago. I don't think eating animals who have higher consciousness than plants will increase our consciousness. I think it doesn't really matter if a person eats meat or not, because the food we buy in the supermarket is full of chemicals and often not even fresh.

I dunno - we're all poisoning ourselves, so what we eat doesn't matter? Not me, I buy most of my food directly from organic farmers or grow it myself. If your diet is comprised mostly of chemical-laden foods from a store, that'd be something to change.

But anyways, it seems you have your thoughts about the matter, and have made your choice, and are getting a bit defensive about it all. Fair enough. That's actually not a bad thing, as it's an indication that there's an opportunity for you to do some more Work, maybe growing a thicker skin, understanding where the triggering comes from precisely, and as Gabor Mate says, 'If you're being triggered, the goal is to remove the ammunition'.

 

[katarinak]

Thank you to all your posts. I had no idea that my yesterday's and today's posts would provoke such reactions. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone with my words, it wasn't meant that way. Also, I didn't expect to have to defend myself here for not understanding what I was trying to write and therefore I don't see the sense in continuing this discussion. I wish everyone a nice and peaceful Christmas and all the best for the New Year.

 

[Mari]

I'm posting a couple of posts that surprised me yesterday.

I suggest that you take your time here on the forum and read a lot.

I think it´s fair to say that everyone who first joined here was surprised of one thing or another, as this is primarily a research forum: what the Cs said was not taken as a holy writ but was tested and crosschecked with research, where possible.
It turned out that people, from the founders of the forum onward, were often surprised to see where the real research led them to and - here we are now 30 years later.
And as either after some time has passed or after the "Science" finally caught up with what the Cs have said, the Cs proved to be right on the mark about various of topics and so now we do take their advice seriously.

I saw that you´ve only found us a year ago so I would, again, emphasise that you take a look at the Recommended reading thread and, if you didn´t, to read The Wave series.

And always think about what triggers you, as iamthatis mentioned: that is where our beliefs lie that are hard to brake. And this forum is all about that: braking away from false personalities, false news, false history, false teachings, etc, and becoming a better human being for ourself, our community and for the world we live in.

And p.s. I highly doubt you offended anyone with your posts; this is how forums work - one posts and opinion and other people reply.

 

[LQB]

I don't think that by becoming a vegetarian one will have a weakened immunity, feel worse, etc.

If that is meant as a general statement, it is wrong. The general truth is the reverse as described in the Vegetarian Myth book and attested to by a large community of ex-vegetarians - many of whom returned to dietary meat after years of meatless eating.

A group that suffers widely from the above generality are the Seventh Day Adventists. Religious conviction in the vegetarian diet is quite hurtful for many of them. A good friend (SDA) developed chronic health issues after many years vegetarian - Docs could not determine a cause - he died prematurely. Locally I have some good friends in the SDA community that are deeply involved in the local SDA church. This husband/wife couple get sick many times per year, always seem to have a health issue, look sickly and haggard, and dental heath is poor. These are very good people and I like them a lot - but it is clear what their diet is doing to them.

I think SAO's statement that you quoted was meant as a generality - not a rule.

As Chu mentioned, none of this is meant to imply that it is impossible to thrive on a vegetarian diet - I'm sure some can - and maybe you are one of them. But the majority cannot. I think some vegetarians can do quite well if they watch their PUFA intake and supplement known deficiencies.

 

[Turgon]

As Chu mentioned, none of this is meant to imply that it is impossible to thrive on a vegetarian diet - I'm sure some can - and maybe you are one of them. But the majority cannot. I think some vegetarians can do quite well if they watch their PUFA intake and supplement known deficiencies.

I also think being closer to the equator and/or warmer climate would make it easier if you're vegetarian. But still, no guarantee of optimal health as meat is the only real source of complete proteins and has the best amino-acid profile. And the nutritional value of organ meats is off the charts in comparison to non-meat counterparts.

 

[Alejo]

I also think being closer to the equator and/or warmer climate would make it easier if you're vegetarian. But still, no guarantee of optimal health as meat is the only real source of complete proteins and has the best amino-acid profile. And the nutritional value of organ meats is off the charts in comparison to non-meat counterparts.

True, and also the demand of the lifestyle that everyone leads is different and so a diet become a very particular item in someone's life. It's sort of like smoking, while we've concluded that the propaganda against it is just that, propaganda and it's not bad for you and in fact it's probably good for you, not everyone can smoke, it's not for everyone.

Something similar happens with diet or fasting I think, It's whatever works best for you, the key isn't to follow a specific diet "fit for all", I think the key, and truly the main goal of this forum, is to become self aware enough at as many levels as possible to recognize what lifestyle, which includes diet, suits you best personally.