"The Way Home Or Face The Fire"..

[Guest]

Sorry but .. you lot have got your heads so far up your own arseholes...

I guess, according to this person we all came from the place where our heads seems to be stuck...

Personally, I think this person is either the one that wrote the Jah material, or has some affiliation. It is a bit synchronous that this thread started a bit after that text was critiqued (the person is probably British judging from the eponymic term he uses for the human posterior orifice). Or he wants us to think he is. Amazingly, he probably didn't bother to even read that thread where we all HAVE read the text he considers to be the LAST WORD, and so failed to realize that our heads are in a far clearer space than his.

 

[domi]

Sorry but .. you lot have got your heads so far up your own arseholes that you're never likely to see the light. And I think your right.. this forum is definately not for me.

We've all been instructed on "The Way Home Or Face The Fire", and you still won't have it. As far as I'm concerned, this book is the updated version of God's word spoken in today's language so that the message cannot be misunderstood. If you can't see it then.. God help you...

Look, I can drive around my neighborhood, find some guys in white shirts with ties to tell me the exact thing about a different book.

The most annoying thing is that you haven't even read it.

Well, I was quoting you passages for your comment, but maybe I didn't see your anwer because my head was in the wrong place at the time.

 

[Laura]

No One who takes the meaning of existence seriously at its deepest levels will submit to a request to provide it in 25 words or less...

Actually, I did once attempt to put it in 25 words or less... There was a person who kept asking me in a demanding and simplistic manner pretty much the same questions that "truthseeker" is after. The only difference was, this person was really asking and was not setting up questions to try to manipulate.

Well, after awhile I got a bit tired because I was trying to explain that there is no simple way to approach it, that it is the question of questions, etc etc, and the person kept pressing for just a "simple answer." So, finally, I said: "Okay, you want the secret of the Universe in 25 words or less?" She said, yeah, that's about it... and I said: "Okay, here it is: There is NO Free Lunch and if you think there is YOU are lunch."

She gasped with horror... I was strongly tempted to sing the Oscar Meyer song... but I restrained myself.

 

[John Chang]

geez,

What's the matter with you all?
Can't I get a straight answer?
I'm not asking about anyone else's opinion, I'm asking for yours!

Please tell me someone... "ANYONE"..

How did you and I come to be here?

Well, I don't know about you, but I took 101 to the Dumbarton Bridge, and proceeded south down 880, whereupon I took the Mowry Ave exit. How did you come to be here? And why are you following me around?

 

[Ryan]

Sorry but .. you lot have got your heads so far up your own arseholes that you're never likely to see the light. And I think your right.. this forum is definately not for me.

We've all been instructed on "The Way Home Or Face The Fire", and you still won't have it. As far as I'm concerned, this book is the updated version of God's word spoken in today's language so that the message cannot be misunderstood. If you can't see it then.. God help you...

The most annoying thing is that you haven't even read it.

Anyway, good luck to you all and goodbye. Amen.

Boo hoo. Another "preacher" didn't get the feeding and attention he wanted from others on the forum. Good riddance.

 

[MaskedAvatar]

In answer to the rhetorical question:

There is no "first day of the week", except by human convention.

Lunar "months" are measurable. Earth "years" in terms of the path and duration of the earth's orbit around the sun are (currently to a reasonably accurate extent) measurable.

Weeks are not relevant on a cosmic scale, in any way.

Farewell. May you not be such a hypocrite as to ever post again.

 

[Frai Jonah]

I was theorizing to myself about what turns people into willing food. I found the subject very complex and diverse.

What makes people exploitable? One subcase of this seems to be that some people like to give away the freedom to think for the self in exchange for abolition, even partial abolition, of doubt. Laura's "if you think there is free lunch you are it" comes to the same.

The divine mafia don, the one who makes the offer that cannot be refused, is the culmination of the dominator vampire archetype. It offers the security of belief and a protection contract it will not even honor in exchange for the mind and creativity of its victims. Maybe this is what makes it sometimes cunning, operating on stolen intelligence... who is to say?

And then there was the arch-absurd statement that "if you believe in God you must accept God's word as the absolute truth."


Word of absolute truth? Words, which are approximations, in need of much context for understanding, would be the carriers of absolute truth? And absolute truth would have to be understood to be the complete description of everything that is? But no non-trivial system contains its own complete description.

So, if we are to give a meaning to the "Word," which is mentioned in the Gospels, then it just means that spirit is more primordial than matter, that the universe emanates from a sphere of thought/intent/spirit.

And blaspheme not by claiming that the most relative of the means of expression, the word of human language, even if well meant or inspired, be absolute truth. Words are very good and necessary for us but let us not delude ourselves about our capacity of representation.

Other holes in Truthseeker's and Jah's so-called discourse have been pointed out in great numbers, to the point that it seems that there is no part of it that is not a hole.

 

[Cathryn]

For anyone comming to this thread before reading what has been written about 'jah' on the channel watch list.

Again I suggest you go here first.....

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/for ... 43&p=1

You will find a lengthy discussion of the JAH material and its writer.

 

[vinny]

I was theorizing to myself about what turns people into willing food. I found the subject very complex and diverse.

What makes people exploitable? One subcase of this seems to be that some people like to give away the freedom to think for the self in exchange for abolition, even partial abolition, of doubt. Laura's "if you think there is free lunch you are it" comes to the same.

I'm thinking about it, and it always seems to come down to the trap of an 'easy way out', perhaps due to a pre-defined path which then leads to a sort of self-imposed free-will violation due to taking the choice not to use it. (yeah: use it or lose it!)

For example, believing that a single source, is the ONE 100% correct source of all knowledge - well, that's an easy way out, because if I was to accept such a scenario, then I no longer have to exercise any discernment - "the book says it, so it MUST be true.", "he's questioning the book, so he MUST be wrong", etc - its all cut and dried, and pre-processed with no requirement for personal effort.

The suggestion that some external force is going to swoop down and 'save us', if taken seriously, absolves us of any responsibility to DO anything for ourselves, and violates the whole idea of free will.

To willingly surrenders one's 'God-given' free will seems like a very strange thing to do in the name of said god/God. It is like not accepting a precious birthday present - but throwing it back into the givers face, saying "I understand that what you've just given me is one of the most precious things in the universe, and that you must have given it to me for a very good reason, but actually I've decided: not today, thank you. I don't want it!".

Yep, I think that it is very succinctly put to say "there is no free lunch, and if you think there is free lunch then YOU are it" That really covers it, for me.


EDIT: c@t, that last link you provided, to the other thread, seems to be broken.

 

[Cathryn]

oops thanks Vin; trying again...
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1343

 

[Guest]

The prime method used in both the Jah material and by "truthseeker" is a tried and true sales technique: Get a person to agree with you nine times out of ten, and chances are they will also agree on the tenth point, which is the one you want to sell.

If you can bear the torture and listen to the rant of his Elija (presented on another thread by truthseeker:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1456 and specifically here: http://100777.com/media/thelaw/mp3player.html), you will hear him present all those terrible things we know are happening, followed by an ULITIMATUM straight from the mouth of the "dominator vampire archetype".

And it is more than just an expression of words, but a direct coersive attempt where the pressure is practically tangible. This is the pressure a psychopath exerts on those around them, a pressure to which those of weaker will and conviction (as many today are amidst the confusions of the times) can easily succumb.

I see people such as this as a call and challenge to those of us retaining an ounce of sanity to bolster our sense of discernment as well as convictions as to what is truly right, and refuse to feed these vampires crawling out of the woodwork in ever increasing numbers.

 

[Cricket]

I see people such as this as a call and challenge to those of us retaining an ounce of sanity to bolster our sense of discernment as well as convictions as to what is truly right, and refuse to feed these vampires crawling out of the woodwork in ever increasing numbers.

The numbers are big. If it is difficult to educate (or "re-adapt") this individuals, it is more difficult to aliviate their influence on the macro-social scale.
Thus, those who have reached certain understanding have reached also certain convictions on the tasks to follow for their own particular lifes, as the call has been set.
Recognizing the call is indeed of tremendous impact, and there is but one direction to go: Ahead, and not a step back.
The numbers are big. But this magnitude retro-feed the few, not with numerical magnitude, but with 'alchemical' magnitude, rendering every each more magnetic in contrast to the even numbers, which are not primarily primordial.

 

[domi]

Ok, I got the following in the email inbox:

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Is your head in the wrong place? Inbox
truthseeker
<richards-121@hotmail.com> to me
More options 2:21 am (6 hours ago)
truthseeker from Signs of the Times Forum has sent you a message. You can reply to truthseeker by replying to this e-mail.



The message reads as follows:

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hello, once again.



Perhaps you will open your eyes and your ears to this.



Malachi, Chapter 4, Verse 5:

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD":

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvMala.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=4&division=div1



Perhaps you would like to hear his voice as he speaks to your own, (The American) people:

http://100777.com/media/thelaw/mp3player.html



Perhaps you will listen to one of your own as he explains, in no uncertain terms, what the "New World Order" have in store for us:

http://www.robodoon.com/VIDEO/The%20Brotherhood%20of%20Darkness.wmv



And yes, you are right about one thing, I am British:

http://jahtruth.net/christfg.htm

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[anart]

Yes, you are one of many who has received this. Since it came through the forum, he does not have your email address - unless you respond. So, unless you would like for him to have your email address, do not respond to him.

 

[John Chang]

Yes, you are one of many who has received this. Since it came through the forum, he does not have your email address - unless you respond. So, unless you would like for him to have your email address, do not respond to him.

Would be nice, if the board's software could anonymize email addrs. But I understand if you guys keeping the infrastructure going are busy.